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So I rooted my phone a few months ago but there weren't many mods out yet, so I waited until just today. I saw this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1157593
I followed everything until I got to the part where I had to go into recovery mode, but before I was supposed to reinstall packages to get into CWM I accidently clicked on delete all user data and delete cache date because I misunderstood. So I got into CWM after and followed it and rebooted but nothing happened and the SGS4G screen just goes on and off. I didnt know what to do so I gave this a try. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001759
I thought it would bring my phone back to stock and rooted because I couldnt recover or restore anything. It just put me in a more confused situation. When I reboot in recovery or just turn the power button on, the SGS4G screen goes on and off still.
So all I can do is this. Go to recovery. reboot,reinstall,delete user data or cache data. It says "signature verification failed" then "installation aborted" when I reinstall packages. And like I said, when I reboot the system all it does is the SGS4G screen problem.
Is there a way to start me fresh to a stock and rooted point? I dont think I have any files or anything on my phone anymore(if that is possible). I wanted to try this over again, but correctly obviously
Thanks for any help. I really need my phone soon
Were you in download mode when you used Odin? It should have worked. Make sure that it shows a yellow symbol with the android alien holding a shovel.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
Thanks for the reply! And yeah i was in download mode. Odin said it went through and it lead my phone into recovery phone. After that I rebooted but I'm still experiencing the SGS4G screen going on and off still. Nothing else loads.
How did you set up Odin? You got the correct file loaded into the PDA box?
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mrchovee said:
So I rooted my phone a few months ago but there weren't many mods out yet, so I waited until just today. I saw this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1157593
I followed everything until I got to the part where I had to go into recovery mode, but before I was supposed to reinstall packages to get into CWM I accidently clicked on delete all user data and delete cache date because I misunderstood. So I got into CWM after and followed it and rebooted but nothing happened and the SGS4G screen just goes on and off. I didnt know what to do so I gave this a try. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001759
I thought it would bring my phone back to stock and rooted because I couldnt recover or restore anything. It just put me in a more confused situation. When I reboot in recovery or just turn the power button on, the SGS4G screen goes on and off still.
So all I can do is this. Go to recovery. reboot,reinstall,delete user data or cache data. It says "signature verification failed" then "installation aborted" when I reinstall packages. And like I said, when I reboot the system all it does is the SGS4G screen problem.
Is there a way to start me fresh to a stock and rooted point? I dont think I have any files or anything on my phone anymore(if that is possible). I wanted to try this over again, but correctly obviously
Thanks for any help. I really need my phone soon
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signature verificaton failed means u dont have a modified recovery record
u can get that out of the cwm final thread and push it to system/bin folder overwrite the one dont replace it that will solve that issue for u
I did exactly what the thread for Odin said. I already had the 64bit drivers installed. I downloaded the link that was provided for the ROM and then Odin. The rom took a while to download but it finally did. After that I held both volume buttons and then plugged in the usb and then it went into download mode. After that I opened odin and then clicked on PDA. The only thing that I could click on was the non-extracted rom that I downloaded aforementioned above.Gave it time to download and it said successful. Then I rebooted once it sent me to recovery mode. It also states to try and do it without sim and sd card in the phone which i just tried. It went through as well, but still has the SGS4G going on and off
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signature verificaton failed means u dont have a modified recovery record
u can get that out of the cwm final thread and push it to system/bin folder overwrite the one dont replace it that will solve that issue for u
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I would try that but idk how i would be able to push it into the system/bin folder when all my phone is letting me do is go into recovery mode
Did u flash ext4 yet?
A suggestion for you.
If you can get into Down load mode which it sounds like you can, I would use ODIN to flash KC1 with its pit, PDA, Phone and CSC files and let it fully load up. Then ODIN Whitehawk's deoxed KD1 + root and try to flash your other ROM again.
It is very hard to hard brick these phones. Always take care to make sure the mount points in recovery are set to unmount, mount, mount and finally unmount when instructed to do so.
If your getting stuck with the ext4 section which causes this boot loop alot, what I have done is to disable voodoo lagfix, reboot into the newly flashed ROM then go back into recovery and enable voodoo. Has always worked for me.
This is my first post so I apologize if I don't make any sense lol. I develop android apps for a medical software company and I'm wanting to start creating ROMs to help out this great community.
I forgot to mention: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117554 - [REF]{BIBLE} Galaxy S 4G (7/24/11) <5:00pm cst> is your best friend
icbinb is a great rom. you will definitely have to odin, as bytesfree says. you should use kc1 by raver. after you odin kc1, boot up normally and let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. then get a root manager, such as super manager or root explorer. download the 2 files from krylons final cwm thread. move both to the proper location using the root manager. make sure the recovery file is named properly. if it has the extra .bin extension in the filename, remove it. then shut down the phone, reboot into recovery, go to reinstall packages and the orange cwm will load. once that loads up, factory reset, wipe cache, go to mounts and check the mounts (u,m,m,u), go to install from sd card, flash the ext4 converter immediately followed by icbinb. all of these zip files should be on the root of your sd. let me know how it goes.
if you get it to flash, remember to leave the phone sitting for 10-15 minutes in order for it to settle in.
also, bytefree, welcome to xda. glad to have you contributing.
As Jager said, ICBINB and others such as Black Ice are great ROMS with lots of tweaks and features. The guys that create these ROMs are awesome in their intellect and programming abilities. Mrchovee, once you get the hang of the steps required to flash a ROM it becomes second nature, just keep at it and don't let a gimped flash bring ya down man. As I said before, these little phones are hard to brick.
Hi there,
Help me pls. Seems like infuse doesn't want to reboot at all after GTG's Ultimate Unbrick. Just flash AT&T on the beginning and samsung logo is on all the time.
PS Just restored successfully with Odin_UXKG3_rooted_no_bootloaders_v2
I hope everything will ok. Almost trowed my infuse in the garbage can. Sorry for panic... Fuf...
drov said:
Hi there,
Help me pls. Seems like infuse doesn't want to reboot at all after GTG's Ultimate Unbrick. Just flash AT&T on the beginning and samsung logo is on all the time.
PS Just restored successfully with Odin_UXKG3_rooted_no_bootloaders_v2
I hope everything will ok. Almost trowed my infuse in the garbage can. Sorry for panic... Fuf...
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You used the wrong unbrick. Read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1326143
Just noticed you got it working. I should have finished reading your post before replying
Unlocked Rogers SAMSUNG-Galaxy infuse failed system after GTG's Ultimate Unbrick
Hi, I'm new to this new Unbrick thing... I was about to throw out my Unlocked Galaxy Infuse and saw hope in this thread.
I unrooted my phone (not even sure how it got rooted in the first place) using GTG and Odin 3v 1.7. Did the hard reset. Now I see At&t and Samsung logo just hangs there. It's not even a boot loop because "Samsung" doesn't flashes.
This means I used the wrong Unbrick? So.... what now please? I just want my phone to be as it was when I first got it (Not rooted, default settings).
Can someone please explain to a newbie (I admit it!) step by step how to proceed? (When I hold vol up and down + power, samsung logo flashes like a boot loop. cant get past that.)
Thanks in advance )
PSS Should I use UXKG3, UCLB3 Unbrick... ? So confused...
Dandylion83 said:
Hi, I'm new to this new Unbrick thing... I was about to throw out my Unlocked Galaxy Infuse and saw hope in this thread.
I unrooted my phone (not even sure how it got rooted in the first place) using GTG and Odin 3v 1.7. Did the hard reset. Now I see At&t and Samsung logo just hangs there. It's not even a boot loop because "Samsung" doesn't flashes.
This means I used the wrong Unbrick? So.... what now please? I just want my phone to be as it was when I first got it (Not rooted, default settings).
Can someone please explain to a newbie (I admit it!) step by step how to proceed? (When I hold vol up and down + power, samsung logo flashes like a boot loop. cant get past that.)
Thanks in advance )
PSS Should I use UXKG3, UCLB3 Unbrick... ? So confused...
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You probably already have it figured out...use UCLB3 if you're phone was released by AT&T, or UXKG3 if you bought through Rogers. I had the same predicament when I thought I bricked my phone and tried to go back to stock (I use Rogers so I was a little confused that my phone was crashing every 15 seconds with the UCLB3 back-to-stock).
Luckily I don't have to follow the UCLB3/UXKG3 conundrum with ROMS like CyanogenMod. Using CM 10.1 with UCLB3 kernel without any issues.
Same problem
joel.maxuel said:
You probably already have it figured out...use UCLB3 if you're phone was released by AT&T, or UXKG3 if you bought through Rogers. I had the same predicament when I thought I bricked my phone and tried to go back to stock (I use Rogers so I was a little confused that my phone was crashing every 15 seconds with the UCLB3 back-to-stock).
Luckily I don't have to follow the UCLB3/UXKG3 conundrum with ROMS like CyanogenMod. Using CM 10.1 with UCLB3 kernel without any issues.
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Basically I have done the same samething with my phone, shows AT&T World Phone and the stuck on SAMSUNG logo, but I am really new to rooting and just not sure how to get back to Rogers. Just need super clear instructions/baby steps. And yes, the Infuse I have is infact one from Rogers.
Please help and thank you in advance
vingtdeux said:
Basically I have done the same samething with my phone, shows AT&T World Phone and the stuck on SAMSUNG logo, but I am really new to rooting and just not sure how to get back to Rogers. Just need super clear instructions/baby steps. And yes, the Infuse I have is infact one from Rogers.
Please help and thank you in advance
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Taken from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1193927 ...
Odin Instructions:
1) Make sure the drivers for the Infuse 4G are installed. (Installing Kies is the easiest way to accomplish this.)
2) Download and unzip Odin_UXKG3_rooted_no_bootloaders.zip.
3) Run Odin v1.81 as administrator.
4) Place your phone into download mode. (Pull battery, replace battery, and press and hold both volume buttons while plugging in the USB cable.)
5) Make sure your phone shows up in Odin as COM##.
6) Click the PDA button and choose PDA_UXKG3_rooted_no_bootloaders.tar.md5.
7) Click the PHONE button and choose PHONE_UXKG3.tar.md5.
8) Press Start.
9) If the phone doesn't automatically reboot after it completes the flash, just pull the battery and then replace it and turn on the phone.
10) You should perform a factory reset after it boots. Go to Settings > Privacy and select factory reset. Warning: This will clear everything on your internal SD card, so move everything you want to keep to the external SD card first.
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Download link: Odin_UXKG3_rooted_no_bootloaders_v2.zip (177MB)
As a footnote, I haven't had much luck with Kies for the drivers (step 1), I use these instead.
Hope this helps.
joel.maxuel said:
Taken from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1193927 ...
Download link: Odin_UXKG3_rooted_no_bootloaders_v2.zip (177MB)
As a footnote, I haven't had much luck with Kies for the drivers (step 1), I use these instead.
Hope this helps.
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Probably won't believe me but I just finished what you just said as soon as you posted. GOT IT WORKING! Thank you anyways, your previous comments helped a bunch. Just so I don't screw up again in future rooting attempts, got any tips/links one should look at before attempting to root. I really wanna learn
If you flashed with above, then you are already rooted
Yeah look for superuser app in app drawer! Or download a root checker in Play Store to check!
Fullmetal Jun said:
Yeah look for superuser app in app drawer! Or download a root checker in Play Store to check!
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Is there any way of checking if CWM Recovery is installed as well? I'm trying to install Cyanfox 4.4.2 ROM which requires a KitKat compatible CWM Recovery, which is what I need. Any suggestions would be great!
vingtdeux said:
Is there any way of checking if CWM Recovery is installed as well? I'm trying to install Cyanfox 4.4.2 ROM which requires a KitKat compatible CWM Recovery, which is what I need. Any suggestions would be great!
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the following quote from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091900&page=370
scmfxt said:
@RiseFox
Hmm.. It could be files in your Internal SD card. Best to copy thing your need to your pc then format it. Also seem you using replacing recovery method thru root explorer / file manager to get CWM Recovery 2.5.1.2. My method is a bit different but it get me from GB stock + root and Synthesis GB Kernel to any other Rom without going thru ICS and JB:
1. Either use Odin or Heimdall One-Click. Follow instruction on how to do it.
2. While phone running install sgs kernel flasher from Market/Google Play.
2a. Copy/transfer Synthesis GB Kernel to your Internal SD card.
2b. Start up sgs kernel flasher and choose it from your Internal SD card. Phone will auto-reboot after done flashing.
2c. Wait a bit while your phone convert to new partition format and activate lagfix. Your CWM recovery version should be 2.5.1.3
3. Reboot phone into CWM Recovery and DISABLE vodoo lagfix and /system lagfix. Reboot once done. Phone will convert partition to old format. If you don't turn the lagfix off the phone will hang at Samsung logo when you install new rom.
4. Prepare your flavor rom/gapp for installation by copying them to your Internal SD card.
4a. Go into CWM Recovery mode and install the rom. You will need to do this twice since the 1st time was just a warning about partition format being different.
4b. Reboot once done. You will need to REMOVE the battery to power down the booting process and put it back in.
4c. Go into the New CWM Recovery and install the rom again since the previous attempt only install the new CWM Recovery.
5. Install Gapp.
6. a. Wipe: Cache / Factory Reset <--- Probably don't need it since it's new install from stock unless you installed stuff. Just to be safe.
b. Wipe: Cache Partition
c. Wipe: Dalvik Cache
7. Reboot
Hope that help.
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i used this method for my at&t infuse and i was able to jump to 4.4.4 CarbonRom but like scmfxt said hope that this helps
vingtdeux said:
Is there any way of checking if CWM Recovery is installed as well? I'm trying to install Cyanfox 4.4.2 ROM which requires a KitKat compatible CWM Recovery, which is what I need. Any suggestions would be great!
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No custom bootloaders come with the back-to-stock image. To check, do the three-finger salute to turn in on (power, and both volume buttons pressed). Will see either 3e recovery or CWM in the title. If it is the former, you can try this link (method 1), but I ended up doing the below:
Instructions:
1) Create a folder on your internal SD card called Voodoo. Then create another folder inside of it called disable-lagfix.
2) Make sure the Samsung USB drivers are installed. Installing Kies is a good way to accomplish this. It shouldn't matter which version of Kies you install as they all contain the same USB driver.
3) Download and unzip Odin_Infused_Gingerbread_Kernel_v1.zip.
4) Right click on Odin3_v1.81.exe and run it as administrator.
5) Place your phone into download mode. Do this by powering it completely off and then holding down both volume buttons while plugging in the USB cable.
6) Make sure your phone shows up in Odin as COM##.
7) Click the PDA button and choose PDA_Infused_Gingerbread_Kernel_v1.tar.md5.
8) Press Start.
9) If the phone doesn't automatically reboot after it completes the flash, just pull the battery and then replace it and turn on the phone.
10) You should now be rooted and see the Superuser app installed on your phone.
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Download below. Hope this helps.
6th_Hokage said:
the following quote from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091900&page=370
i used this method for my at&t infuse and i was able to jump to 4.4.4 CarbonRom but like scmfxt said hope that this helps
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It worked! Now running 4.4.2 BeanStalk.... and OMG rooting is amazing!
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It worked! Now running 4.4.2 BeanStalk.... and OMG rooting is amazing!
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your welcome
OMG, thanks sooo much you guys for this, you just saved me a trip to rogers to cancel my phone plan (even though its like $90 a month for 6gb of data)
Rooted my phone, then tried to use ODIN for the recovery 3e install thing, which failed. Thought my phone was bricked and used the GTG ultimate unbrick which caused more problems
I have an earlier thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2107600 but that is now buried on page 2 and might be missed by new readers. After a disastrous time trying to root my Galaxy Tab 5100 I did manage with the help of people here to flash the recommended stock ROM - however while the tablet goes through its boot sequenece with the aminated Samsung sign - it sticks when it gets to the plain Samsung logo and wont go further.
Odin reported that it installed OK and the tab rebooted as it should but only this far - not sure what I should try next to get my stock Samsung image back and working. One thing I didn't do was to tick repartition because the instructions only said to do this when a certain type of file was included in the package, and it wasn't. Should I have ticked this after all, if so I can try the same thing again if I can force it back into download mode again. (though as the yellow pane still shows in odin when connected I wonder if I can just go ahead anyway)
I have also been looking for rooting software and came across this
http://root-android.org/?version=Tablet&country=Samsung&ios=Galaxy+Tab+2&submit.x=63&submit.y=104
I am wondering if next time (assuming I ever get it working!) I would be better shelling out $30 and getting software to do it all for me - is this any good? has anyone used it or had reports about it? I wish I had seen this before I read "that it was almost impossible to brick the tab 2"
Also I would like to have root access on my S3 as well but wouldn't dream of risking this I don't think now
gbswales said:
I have an earlier thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2107600 but that is now buried on page 2 and might be missed by new readers. After a disastrous time trying to root my Galaxy Tab 5100 I did manage with the help of people here to flash the recommended stock ROM - however while the tablet goes through its boot sequenece with the aminated Samsung sign - it sticks when it gets to the plain Samsung logo and wont go further.
Odin reported that it installed OK and the tab rebooted as it should but only this far - not sure what I should try next to get my stock Samsung image back and working. One thing I didn't do was to tick repartition because the instructions only said to do this when a certain type of file was included in the package, and it wasn't. Should I have ticked this after all, if so I can try the same thing again if I can force it back into download mode again. (though as the yellow pane still shows in odin when connected I wonder if I can just go ahead anyway)
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Have you tried a factory reset from recovery? If you've restored the stock ROM, then all you need to do is the factory reset to get things working again. Don't repartition unless you really need to.
gbswales said:
I have also been looking for rooting software and came across this
http://root-android.org/?version=Tablet&country=Samsung&ios=Galaxy+Tab+2&submit.x=63&submit.y=104
I am wondering if next time (assuming I ever get it working!) I would be better shelling out $30 and getting software to do it all for me - is this any good? has anyone used it or had reports about it? Also I would like to have root access on my S3 as well but wouldn't dream of risking this I don't think now
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I can't see any reason you should spend that kind of money given how easy the CF-AutoRoot is. In fact, that product looks very shady to me. "Root Any Android Device"? Well, there's lots of devices out there that nobody's been able to root, or devices that take a lot of work. I can't believe there's a single app that'll work across every Android device with a single click.
Be careful, which stock ROM have you flashed? I would use this sequence
flash the stock ROM
then immediately
flash CWM recovery, use CWM recovery to wipe the data (wipe data/factory reset).
Then reboot
CWM ?
DigitalMD said:
Be careful, which stock ROM have you flashed? I would use this sequence
flash the stock ROM
then immediately
flash CWM recovery, use CWM recovery to wipe the data (wipe data/factory reset).
Then reboot
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Well I followed one of the posted routes on this forum, downloading from a list of recommended files for each version, and it mentioned nothing about CWM which I know nothing about. I have to say that everyone's definition of "easy" on here - I find complicated and difficult - I know my way around windows but android seems much more complex. The only reason I wanted to have root in the first place was to be able to make a complete image back up that would make it easy to restore my device without having to re-download all my software and set up. I do it with windows all the time. To me "easy" is, download and install something - click go - done! Even getting the device to go into download mode in the first place is a very hit and miss affair (as others say on here too) clearly Samsung don't want you to do this.
The other problem is that while the tablet is in this state it wont turn off, just reboots itself when you do and the screen stays on - so unless you leave it plugged in 24/7 - I start each time with a flat battery that I have to recharge before I can try something else
This is the route I followed
DigitalMD said:
Be careful, which stock ROM have you flashed? I would use this sequence
flash the stock ROM
then immediately
flash CWM recovery, use CWM recovery to wipe the data (wipe data/factory reset).
Then reboot
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I got this through earlier posts - the only thing I didn't do was to go into recovery and reset in step 2 because this simply wasn't possible - the device was stuck on the error message and no amount of button pressing did anything other than restart to the same screen. By this stage I couldn't even go back to check what version of android I was running - it would have been the latest jelly bean distributed to UK.
I also didn't check re-partition as in 6. because there was no pit file in the download
E. Restore to stock
THIS WILL WIPE YOUR DATA!
4.0.3 for p5100: https://hotfile.com/dl/155804946/76b...XALD9.rar.html
4.0.3 for p5110: http://www.hotfile.com/dl/159635395/...3_PEO.zip.html
4.0.4 for p5100: http://www.hotfile.com/dl/165065733/...1_SER.zip.html
4.0.4 for p5113: http://www.hotfile.com/dl/164415704/...5_XAR.zip.html
4.0.? for p5113: http://69.46.67.99/GT-P3113_XAR_1_20...ldcgx9tzmx.zip
4.0.4 for p3100: http://samsung-updates.com/fw/Samsun...3kdo3qe503.zip (PIT files: 16Gb p3100, 8GB p3100
Note: for more language options for stock ROM's for the tab 10, go here.
1. Unzip the downloaded ROM. If there is a file ending in .pit, skip to step 3
2. Reboot into recovery and select wipe data/factory reset.
3. Reboot into Download Mode.
4. Unzip/unrar the stock firmware
5. click PDA and find the stock file (PDA/PLATFORM file, the largest one).
6. Click PIT and open the .pit file you downloaded if one was included with your ROM. Check Re-Partition in ODIN
7. OPTIONAL: if you want to flash the bootloader and/or csc, you can select them as well. If you don't know what that means, you don't need to do it.
8. Click Start.
9. Enjoy!
Help please - this is where I am at the moment - some SIMPLE help needed please
I tried to install what I thought was the stock ROM - it appeared to install but wouldnt boot past the samsung screen. I now realise (a) that I may not have followed the full correct procedure and (b) may have downloaded the 5110 rom instead of the 5100 rom - silly mistake I know.
However reading all the guides I can find there doesnt seem to be a simple way I can find of restoring the standard un-rooted rom so that I can go back and try again. All of the things I can find seem to included downloading something onto the external card but cant do that as I cannot access it and don't have an external card reader.
What I can do now is
boot into download mode
connect to ODIN and see the yellow block
It will not boot normally past the samsung splash screen
and cannot connect to KIES in any mode (I do have the drivers installed and have connected before)
I also have no idea now what is installed on it because I cant get to the system to see!
Is there an easy way to install a stock samsung rom from this point? I don't mind if data is lost, I have nothing important on there and wouldnt mind re-installing apps as I had accumulated far too many anway - really I just want to get my tablet back the way it was from the factory but with the 4.2 jelly bean installed (though if it went back to an earlier version and I could update in Kies that would be ok too)
Can anyone give me simple instructions for doing this using just ODIN and my computer without involving the external card - please.
After that I will be looking for an equally easy way to root it again
I will credit you with a good answer if you can help -as well as appreciating it.
gbswales said:
I tried to install what I thought was the stock ROM - it appeared to install but wouldnt boot past the samsung screen. I now realise (a) that I may not have followed the full correct procedure and (b) may have downloaded the 5110 rom instead of the 5100 rom - silly mistake I know.
However reading all the guides I can find there doesnt seem to be a simple way I can find of restoring the standard un-rooted rom so that I can go back and try again. All of the things I can find seem to included downloading something onto the external card but cant do that as I cannot access it and don't have an external card reader.
What I can do now is
boot into download mode
connect to ODIN and see the yellow block
It will not boot normally past the samsung splash screen
and cannot connect to KIES in any mode (I do have the drivers installed and have connected before)
I also have no idea now what is installed on it because I cant get to the system to see!
Is there an easy way to install a stock samsung rom from this point? I don't mind if data is lost, I have nothing important on there and wouldnt mind re-installing apps as I had accumulated far too many anway - really I just want to get my tablet back the way it was from the factory but with the 4.2 jelly bean installed (though if it went back to an earlier version and I could update in Kies that would be ok too)
Can anyone give me simple instructions for doing this using just ODIN and my computer without involving the external card - please.
After that I will be looking for an equally easy way to root it again
I will credit you with a good answer if you can help -as well as appreciating it.
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What you need to do is to download the stock ROM for your 5100.
Go to www.samfirmware.com and put "GT-5100" into the search box. You'll see a list of the stock firmware for your device. Pick the appropriate firmware for your country and click "download".
Start up ODIN. Click on the "PDA" button and open the firmware file you downloaded above.
Restart in downloader mode (power and volume up), and connect the tablet to your PC. ODIN should now show the device.
Make sure repartition is not checked, and click on "Start". When it finishes, you now have stock firmware installed.
Power off, then restart in recovery mode. (Hold power and volume down.)
Choose "wipe data/factory reset" by using the volume keys to move the highlight, then pressing the power button to select an entry.
Once it's finished booting, you should be back to normal.
Thanks K1MU for this information which at least looks clear - the only problem I have is when I put in the model etc when I get to country it offers me only 3 choices
UK (BTU) GB (O2) or GB (vodafaone)
My phone was purchased from Amazon and is unlocked so I am worried if these might lock me to a carrier which I wouldn't want
I wonder if BTU is the unlocked one as it doesn't sound like any provider I know - but I am not sure
will post on their forum as well
I think I am getting more and more muddled by the minute (sign of old age I fear) I realise now that I have a p5110 - wifi only and not p5100 3g and wifi.
This means in all probablilty I downloaded the correct rom in the first place. As I had not done the factory reset afterwards so tried that - it appeared to work ok but when I restarted it just played the samsung tune and moving image - then went to "Samsung" and stuck there as it was before.
I am downloading the p5110 wifi only rom from Sam's site - awful download programme they use which doesn't accept paypal even to sign up for faster downloading - I will then try following exactly what you have suggested and keep my fingers crossed
thank you
k1mu said:
What you need to do is to download the stock ROM for your 5100.
Go to www.samfirmware.com and put "GT-5100" into the search box. You'll see a list of the stock firmware for your device. Pick the appropriate firmware for your country and click "download".
Start up ODIN. Click on the "PDA" button and open the firmware file you downloaded above.
Restart in downloader mode (power and volume up), and connect the tablet to your PC. ODIN should now show the device.
Make sure repartition is not checked, and click on "Start". When it finishes, you now have stock firmware installed.
Power off, then restart in recovery mode. (Hold power and volume down.)
Choose "wipe data/factory reset" by using the volume keys to move the highlight, then pressing the power button to select an entry.
Once it's finished booting, you should be back to normal.
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Although I thought it had got nowhere after wipe restore - when I turned it back the next day I arrived at the start up guide - admitedly it was 4.0.3 and in Portugese but after exploring settings and working out what to click i got it back to uk english - it has now connected to kies ok and is currently downloading the latest firmware - thanks partcularly to the last poster and to all others who helped - I will go through and thank you others too,
Point is now - once I have jelly bean can I get root access easily -without installing another custom rom - ahh well tomorrows problem
Noob looking for all the help he can get!!!!!
Hi, I recently rooted my Samsung Galaxy S 2 for T-mobile, because I was sick of waiting for jelly bean to officialy come out for it, and ever since it's been a nightmare. I was running the most recent version of ICS that t-mobile has for my phone.
I got instructions on how to root at the unlocker . com
After that, I went to the Cyanogenmod website, went through their wiki and found the zip for my phone, (I also put the gapps zip on too). I booted into Clockwork mod recovery, did a back up, did a data wipe, but not a cache wipe as the instructions i was using from theunlocker.com did not say I had too. Flashed both zips from my external sd, then restarted. It booted with the Cyanogenmod name inside two spining circles. I left it like this knowing it may take a bit, and I come back 20 mins later expecting it to be done and it is in the same place i left it 20 mins ago. I decide to take out the battery, boot into Clockworkmod and restore. It booted fine back into ICS and all my data was still there, except all of the apps I had stored on my sd card would not work/show up with the icon it was supposed to. when i tapped it, it said that it was not installed on the phone. I decided not to let this worry me, as i decided to use ROM Manager app to do the job instead.
When i opened ROM Manager it prompted me to flash Clockworkmod recovery, so I did. It flashed my phone to Clockworkmod Recovery v6.0.2.7. I then went to download Cyanogenmod 10 for my phone. It downloaded with gapps 4.1. When I tapped install, it restarted my phone into Clockworkmod recovery, but did not install anything, just sent me to the main menu. So I decided i'd try getting the zip from the Cyanogenmod website again. I booted into Clockworkmod, wiped data AND cache this time. installed the zips, and restarted. I get the same problem, stuck at the cyanogenmod boot up circles spining. so i turn off my phone, boot back into clockworkmod, restore, and now i'm stuck in boot cycle with the stock ICS.
Please can anyone help me!?!?!?!
airplane888 said:
Noob looking for all the help he can get!!!!!
Hi, I recently rooted my Samsung Galaxy S 2 for T-mobile, because I was sick of waiting for jelly bean to officialy come out for it, and ever since it's been a nightmare. I was running the most recent version of ICS that t-mobile has for my phone.
I got instructions on how to root at the unlocker . com
After that, I went to the Cyanogenmod website, went through their wiki and found the zip for my phone, (I also put the gapps zip on too). I booted into Clockwork mod recovery, did a back up, did a data wipe, but not a cache wipe as the instructions i was using from theunlocker.com did not say I had too. Flashed both zips from my external sd, then restarted. It booted with the Cyanogenmod name inside two spining circles. I left it like this knowing it may take a bit, and I come back 20 mins later expecting it to be done and it is in the same place i left it 20 mins ago. I decide to take out the battery, boot into Clockworkmod and restore. It booted fine back into ICS and all my data was still there, except all of the apps I had stored on my sd card would not work/show up with the icon it was supposed to. when i tapped it, it said that it was not installed on the phone. I decided not to let this worry me, as i decided to use ROM Manager app to do the job instead.
When i opened ROM Manager it prompted me to flash Clockworkmod recovery, so I did. It flashed my phone to Clockworkmod Recovery v6.0.2.7. I then went to download Cyanogenmod 10 for my phone. It downloaded with gapps 4.1. When I tapped install, it restarted my phone into Clockworkmod recovery, but did not install anything, just sent me to the main menu. So I decided i'd try getting the zip from the Cyanogenmod website again. I booted into Clockworkmod, wiped data AND cache this time. installed the zips, and restarted. I get the same problem, stuck at the cyanogenmod boot up circles spining. so i turn off my phone, boot back into clockworkmod, restore, and now i'm stuck in boot cycle with the stock ICS.
Please can anyone help me!?!?!?!
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First things first: the Jelly Bean update brings with it changes to the core file system organization in Android. Google "Android 4.2 Updates, Multi-User, and TWRP | TeamWin" for a brief explanation from TWRP (which, by the way, I recommend over ClockworkMod Recovery, although both can do the job). That, I believe, explains your missing data.
How are you obtaining your ROM/gapps zips? Are you downloading on your phone? If so, over wifi or mobile data? It is always a good idea to a) download on your computer and transfer the file to the phone and b) make a note of the MD5 checksum and verify the zip file before installing (any file browser worth its salt should be able to generate an MD5 sum). What it sounds like to me is your ROM download was borked in some way but it installed far enough to screw with your file system. I would recommend using your ICS backup to connect to a computer and load a ROM file downloaded from there before attempting to re-flash.
Maybe, just maybe you didn't clear cache and dalvik when installing cm. I had this problem and I realised I didn't wipe it. I wiped cache and dalvik cache from cwm and it booted fine.
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ooddiittyy said:
First things first: the Jelly Bean update brings with it changes to the core file system organization in Android. Google "Android 4.2 Updates, Multi-User, and TWRP | TeamWin" for a brief explanation from TWRP (which, by the way, I recommend over ClockworkMod Recovery, although both can do the job). That, I believe, explains your missing data.
How are you obtaining your ROM/gapps zips? Are you downloading on your phone? If so, over wifi or mobile data? It is always a good idea to a) download on your computer and transfer the file to the phone and b) make a note of the MD5 checksum and verify the zip file before installing (any file browser worth its salt should be able to generate an MD5 sum). What it sounds like to me is your ROM download was borked in some way but it installed far enough to screw with your file system. I would recommend using your ICS backup to connect to a computer and load a ROM file downloaded from there before attempting to re-flash.
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Thanks I will look into TWRP. I am getting my ROM/gapps zips straight from cyanogenmod's wiki for my phone, i get gapps from the link they provide. As for MD5, I do not know what that is other than it was generated when i backed up, and checked when i restored.
i have the same problem
i tried it with my galaxy fit s5670
i tried to flash cm-10.1-20130117-NIGHTLY-beni, some another version named of jelly bean pure rom and also TouchWiz_JB_V5
always the same thing it gets stuck at logo than nothing
i did everithing in order clear data, factory reset, clear cache, clear dalvik cache through cwm recovery
can someone help?
is it because of low int. space?
i found app named s2e to make sd card as int. memory but it didn't work
any suggestions?
thanks in advance
Here's my new problem, I'm stuck in boot loop with my restore of stock ICS, so when I go into download mode (+and- with power button while usb plugged in) I hear the "ching" that windows makes when you plug in a usb device, bu when I navigate to where removable disc should be in my computer, it is not there, so i don't know what to do, I just want my phone to work again, even if that means starting all over with stock ICS.
I appreciate your time and help.
airplane888 said:
Here's my new problem, I'm stuck in boot loop with my restore of stock ICS, so when I go into download mode (+and- with power button while usb plugged in) I hear the "ching" that windows makes when you plug in a usb device, bu when I navigate to where removable disc should be in my computer, it is not there, so i don't know what to do, I just want my phone to work again, even if that means starting all over with stock ICS.
I appreciate your time and help.
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what ROM are you coming from?
Sounds to me like the new multi-user stuff
I experienced something similar and determined that the phone wasn't hung at that bootscreen -- it was busy moving my 18 gigs of stuff (i9300) from /storage/sdcard to /storage/sdcard/0. Apparently this is the "home data" folder for the primary user of a 4.2 device and CM10.1 (I'm assuming you're using that because of the problem) appears to be that way. It would have been nice to know beforehand that I should have just waited the 1/2-hour I needed (took about that long to move back what had been moved; very little hadn't)
So look for that 0 folder and move the contents up one -- your old ROM will (hopefully) be the way it was before. If you decide to go CM10.1 again, just wait, *really* long, at first boot -- or clean out your internal sd card to make the transition quicker.
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airplane888 said:
Here's my new problem, I'm stuck in boot loop with my restore of stock ICS, so when I go into download mode (+and- with power button while usb plugged in) I hear the "ching" that windows makes when you plug in a usb device, bu when I navigate to where removable disc should be in my computer, it is not there, so i don't know what to do, I just want my phone to work again, even if that means starting all over with stock ICS.
I appreciate your time and help.
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You won't see it appear as removable storage because it's in download mode -- removable storage (and the later MTP mode) are done by the OS, and the downloader screen is much "dumber" than that.
HOWEVER, all is not lost!
Try get a ROM which you can flash with ODIN. Either something off of www . samfirmware . com (stock firmwares available there) or DarkyROM (darkyrom . com) (Sorry, can't post actual links because I'm apparently not allowed to until I've posted more stuff . I've found the S1 and S3 to be practically unbrickable in this regard -- I assume the S2 to be the same. ODIN can push a completely new ROM onto your device, rescuing it. If you download from samfirmware, there is a pdf with instructions available on their site, but it basically boils down to:
1) Download a ROM. If you are downloading a zip file, extract the .tar.md5 file inside somewhere -- this is the file you need to flash via ODIN
1) ensure you have the samsung drivers installed (they will be if you have Kies installed, otherwise google for them -- or ask, and I'll try to help)
2) put your phone into download mode (vol-down+home+power)
3) plug your phone into your PC
4) fire up ODIN, you should see a message about a connected device on-screen
5) click the "PDA" button, browse to the ROM image (the .tar.md5 file) and select it
6) the default options have always worked for me -- just click "Start". The process will take some time, but there is feedback in ODIN. Your phone should (after 1-5 minutes) reboot into a fresh, clean ROM.
If you installed a stock ROM from samfirmware.com, you'll have to go about rooting and installing Clockwork mod again. Hope this helps.
I was running the NKD Odexed ROM, and out of nowhere my phone just froze up and eventually went to Upload Mode where I was able to see that my Modem Crashed. When I pulled the batter and restarted my phone, I had no mobile service, and my Baseband and Software information both say Unknown. I cannot reboot into recovery, it just keeps bootlooping . I was able to flash the NK4 full restore, but when that loads up, even though it shows the LTE icon, my mobile data network status is set to disconnected. I also cannot boot to recovery from NK4 or any 4.4 bootloader to restore a backup. Any help would be incredibly appreciated. I'll be more than happy to buy some beers for anybody who can help me with this. Sprint is unable to help me on their end.
Edit: I should also note that I've tried Odin'ing the NKD modem several times when I am on android L, and the NK4 when on 4.4, neither do a thing to help.
jsmcmahon89 said:
I was running the NKD Odexed ROM, and out of nowhere my phone just froze up and eventually went to Upload Mode where I was able to see that my Modem Crashed. When I pulled the batter and restarted my phone, I had no mobile service, and my Baseband and Software information both say Unknown. I cannot reboot into recovery, it just keeps bootlooping . I was able to flash the NK4 full restore, but when that loads up, even though it shows the LTE icon, my mobile data network status is set to disconnected. I also cannot boot to recovery from NK4 or any 4.4 bootloader to restore a backup. Any help would be incredibly appreciated. I'll be more than happy to buy some beers for anybody who can help me with this. Sprint is unable to help me on their end.
Edit: I should also note that I've tried Odin'ing the NKD modem several times when I am on android L, and the NK4 when on 4.4, neither do a thing to help.
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I had almost the same problem yesterday and was able to restore my backup this morning.
Here's the steps I took:
1. Using Odin 3.10.0
2. Make sure your phone is completely off (battery pull if necessary).
3. Go into Download Mode (Volume Down, Home, Power), then Volume UP
4. Plug phone via USB to computer, run Odin. Make sure you have a blue ID:COM light in Odin.
5. Uncheck Auto-Reboot.
6. Odin either NE5 firmware or NK4 firmware (depending on what your nanoid was).
7. Wait till Odin gives you a PASS, unplug USB and immediately go into Recovery (Volume UP, Home, Power).
8. Restore your nanoid and reboot.
This is assuming you have an extSD card and your nanoid is on it. If you don't you'll need to get one. If you don't have a nanoid, copy the rom you want to flash onto extSD and replace step 8.
Edit: FYI, the firmware files include the modem and TWRP recovery.
Edit: My reading skills are a little slow today, if you prefer the firmware with Philz, here's NE5 and NK4 firmware with Philz.
Ramer said:
I had almost the same problem yesterday and was able to restore my backup this morning.
Here's the steps I took:
1. Using Odin 3.10.0
2. Make sure your phone is completely off (battery pull if necessary).
3. Go into Download Mode (Volume Down, Home, Power), then Volume UP
4. Plug phone via USB to computer, run Odin. Make sure you have a blue ID:COM light in Odin.
5. Uncheck Auto-Reboot.
6. Odin either NE5 firmware or NK4 firmware (depending on what your nanoid was).
7. Wait till Odin gives you a PASS, unplug USB and immediately go into Recovery (Volume UP, Home, Power).
8. Restore your nanoid and reboot.
This is assuming you have an extSD card and your nanoid is on it. If you don't you'll need to get one. If you don't have a nanoid, copy the rom you want to flash onto extSD and replace step 8.
Edit: FYI, the firmware files include the modem and TWRP recovery.
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Unfortunately, I can't count how many times I've tried this, both the firmware with TWRP, and firmware with Philz, my recovery will not boot. I get RECOVERY BOOTING.... in blue, RECOVERY IS NOT SEANDROID ENFORCING in red and Set Warranty Bit : recovery in yellow. This lasts about 30 seconds, and then it reboots to the same thing. The only way to get out of the recovery bootloop is to flash a firmware and not try to boot into recovery after, but then stuck with my modemless problem .
I can't even just go back Stock everything because I won't have service, my phone is basically a paperweight at this time.
jsmcmahon89 said:
Unfortunately, I can't count how many times I've tried this, both the firmware with TWRP, and firmware with Philz, my recovery will not boot. I get RECOVERY BOOTING.... in blue, RECOVERY IS NOT SEANDROID ENFORCING in red and Set Warranty Bit : recovery in yellow. This lasts about 30 seconds, and then it reboots to the same thing. The only way to get out of the recovery bootloop is to flash a firmware and not try to boot into recovery after, but then stuck with my modemless problem .
I can't even just go back Stock everything because I won't have service, my phone is basically a paperweight at this time.
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Have you tried to odin the .tar version of Philz?
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As a last resort type thing, this is a one-click file from @rwilco12 to bring you back to stock unrooted NE5.
Ramer said:
Have you tried to odin the .tar version of Philz?
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As a last resort type thing, this is a one-click file from @rwilco12 to bring you back to stock unrooted NE5.
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Yes, a previous version of Philz I can try this newer one though. I've also tried just TWRP. It's looking more and more like the weirdest brick I've ever heard of :-\.
Ramer said:
Have you tried to odin the .tar version of Philz?
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As a last resort type thing, this is a one-click file from @rwilco12 to bring you back to stock unrooted NE5.
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Thanks for your attempted help , I actually ran both a NI3 and NE5 restore today . It would be safe to say I am not a noob at this stuff, I think I just got me a lemon :-\. I've been doing this for way too long now, I just don't get it.
jsmcmahon89 said:
Thanks for your attempted help , I actually ran both a NI3 and NE5 restore today . It would be safe to say I am not a noob at this stuff, I think I just got me a lemon :-\. I've been doing this for way too long now, I just don't get it.
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It just seems to me that if you can get into Download Mode, it should be solvable. @tdunham, do you have anything to add that I didn't cover?
Try to do a phone reset with ##786# from the dialer. It's possible the phone cant authenticate with the network and that is why you're not getting signal.
I think this wipes internal storage but its worth a try to begin.
Next...
Pull the SD and the Sprint sim card.
Odin custom recovery and wipe absolutely everything including internal storage.
Power off the phone again, either from the recovery menu or battery pull.
Reinsert the sim card only, no SDcard, and do FULL factory Odin tar install, not the mini-bootloaders.
Let the rom boot fully but skip logging into Google and anything else and go straight into settings/backup and reset/factory reset.
Reboot again and see how it goes.
As a last resort you can try to re-pit (repartition) the phone but lets see how it goes from here.
tdunham said:
Try to do a phone reset with ##786# from the dialer. It's possible the phone cant authenticate with the network and that is why you're not getting signal.
I think this wipes internal storage but its worth a try to begin.
Next...
Pull the SD and the Sprint sim card.
Odin custom recovery and wipe absolutely everything including internal storage.
Power off the phone again, either from the recovery menu or battery pull.
Reinsert the sim card only, no SDcard, and do FULL factory Odin tar install, not the mini-bootloaders.
Let the rom boot fully but skip logging into Google and anything else and go straight into settings/backup and reset/factory reset.
Reboot again and see how it goes.
As a last resort you can try to re-pit (repartition) the phone but lets see how it goes from here.
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I pulled the SD and Sim Card, and odin'd a custom recovery, but I cannot reach a custom recovery, just goes through the RECOVERY BOOTING.... boot loop explained in the OP. From there I've already done everything else close to 50 times now it just doesn't work.
When you go into settings/backup and restore/factory reset it's supposed to do something on it's own, mine just goes to recovery (ONLY IF STOCK RECOVERY IS INSTALLED OTHERWISE IT RECOVERY BOOTLOOPS) and the android guy falls over. It does not do the reset, I have to manually do it from stock recovery, but it doesn't seem to be helping.
Also, ##786# doesn't do anything. Neither does ##72786# as the Sprint rep was suggesting. My dialer (for one is lagging to all hell along with my keyboard) does not react, it just continues to show that #. This is on 100% stock too.
jsmcmahon89 said:
I pulled the SD and Sim Card, and odin'd a custom recovery, but I cannot reach a custom recovery, just goes through the RECOVERY BOOTING.... boot loop explained in the OP. From there I've already done everything else close to 50 times now it just doesn't work.
When you go into settings/backup and restore/factory reset it's supposed to do something on it's own, mine just goes to recovery (ONLY IF STOCK RECOVERY IS INSTALLED OTHERWISE IT RECOVERY BOOTLOOPS) and the android guy falls over. It does not do the reset, I have to manually do it from stock recovery, but it doesn't seem to be helping.
Also, ##786# doesn't do anything. Neither does ##72786# as the Sprint rep was suggesting. My dialer (for one is lagging to all hell along with my keyboard) does not react, it just continues to show that #. This is on 100% stock too.
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It sounds like you corrupted your efs but I cant say for sure because I haven't seen it happen too often. You can always try to flash pit through odin and repartition. I'll attach the pit file in a zip so you can try it.
It seems like I would be more likely to have luck on Android L because at least when I flash that I have a phone that somewhat functions, I am missing a modem, and can not get one to stick at all, but I can at least connect to wifi, log into gmail accounts and do anything else. Where as on a stock 4.4 refresh I have a sick lag, it shows I have a modem but I am not provisioned for data, and sprint support is no help. They want me to bring my phone to a tech which is not something I am looking to do knowing I tripped the KNOX flag.
tdunham said:
It sounds like you corrupted your efs but I cant say for sure because I haven't seen it happen too often. You can always try to flash pit through odin and repartition. I'll attach the pit file in a zip so you can try it.
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I odin'd that pit and tried to start fresh, no luck. I can't thank you guys enough for your continued effort
Edit: I am reading this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2610757
I have never used the Nand Erase All or Phone EFS Clear options in Odin, but this seems like it might help?
2nd Edit: After flashing the PIT file with NE5 stock rom I achieved data. Now I have an incredibly laggy stock rom, which might just have to do for now, because I still can't get to a custom recovery.
I did not use Nand Erase All or Phone EFS Clear, but am still very interested.
Realized a new issue today. My phone will only charge when off. Still open to suggestions.
Im haveing the exact same issue you are and no clue what to do about it.
Wow I must be lucky all I did was a battery pull and my phone worked again (back when I was on moar 5.0) (i haven't encountered it on moar 6.1)
Sent from my SM-G900P
gtuansdiamm said:
Wow I must be lucky all I did was a battery pull and my phone worked again (back when I was on moar 5.0) (i haven't encountered it on moar 6.1)
Sent from my SM-G900P
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I don't think you are haveing the same issues we are.
I had similar happen to me and the only thing that fixed it was to go back to the first stock, ND2 I think and work my way back up. It happened to me on NKD also, not sure if it was the same exact thing but sounds close. IIRC after flashing back to the first stock ROM thing started working but prior to that I Odin flashed every package that came with a pit file.
miked63017 said:
I had similar happen to me and the only thing that fixed it was to go back to the first stock, ND2 I think and work my way back up. It happened to me on NKD also, not sure if it was the same exact thing but sounds close. IIRC after flashing back to the first stock ROM thing started working but prior to that I Odin flashed every package that came with a pit file.
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i was on nkd last i could remember but as far as know you cant downgrade the bootloader.
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I don't think you are haveing the same issues we are.
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well back when i had the issue id randomly take out my phone from my pocket and see it stuck on a screen that said upload mode modem crashed
lets hope that there isnt a second issue out there as well
back then it was a 50/50 shot doing a battery pull and getting the phone to boot
sometimes even while i had charge i would have to plug phone into a power supply and then try turning it on
but regardless i wish you guys best of luck
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i was on nkd last i could remember but as far as know you cant downgrade the bootloader.
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Downgrade on the sprint s5 is possible with Odin, no negative side effects. FWIW theres a few threads around too that back this statement.