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So after reading nearly 5 hours and spending my time in the wee hours of morning, I finally did all the "stable" mods for the phone... If you haven't been reading, make sure you guys check out the stuff in the development forum.
After all modifications, I was able to get 2701 points in quadrant benchmark. What mods did I do?
-i9000 eclair flash (JM5)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734871
-Alternative mimocans lag fix
(one click installer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749495)
-One click root (googled it for i9000)
-Overclock kernel 1.0Ghz to 1.2Ghz
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746343)
This stuff really does help out your phone folks. Bench it now with quadrant, then take a peak at the other stuff and make magic happen. If anyone needs any additional help setting up their captivate, I'm more than happy to help.

I agree those fixes help speed a lot. But the quadrant score is meaningless. the speed hack creates an io loopback. The loopback just tells quadrant what it wants to hear.

Does your BT work on the european ROM. For me all people hear is a gargeled mess on there end?
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Can you post the results of these tests:
Neocore
Linpack
CPU Benchmark

I keep hearing about this quadrant, does it actually improve real world performance? Or is just for the sake of scores?

jhego said:
I keep hearing about this quadrant, does it actually improve real world performance? Or is just for the sake of scores?
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Quadrant is just benchmarking software that takes the cpu, gpu and memory read/write speeds into account. It runs a series of tests and spits a score number out at the end, so you can compare your device to others (like comparing boner sizes, but less gay).
It doesn't actually do anything to speed up the device though.

modest_mandroid said:
Quadrant is just benchmarking software that takes the cpu, gpu and memory read/write speeds into account. It runs a series of tests and spits a score number out at the end, so you can compare your device to others (like comparing boner sizes, but less gay).
It doesn't actually do anything to speed up the device though.
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This is correct and to be honest there is way to much weight in the I/O tests. That is the only reason that the stock Droid X bests the Gal X. It has more weight than cpu and gpu so you can't put to much into those scores. They really don't mean anything more than bragging rights. What I am interested in is real world usage.

Real world use with the hack provides amazing speed gains opening and switching apps. Io heavy apps are very much improved while open too. It's finally as fast as the iphone.

Whats your battery life like after the overclock?

The score ended up getting lower and lower every time i used quadrant. 2701 is the highest I was able to get so far, but that's with a fresh install of the rom and all the stuff before I started loading on apps. Everytime I ran the benchmark, I of course killed the apps beforehand.
The battery life is the same- to be honest. This is me comparing a rooted stock ROM to the somewhat fresh install of the eclair i9000. The phone is very snappy. I came from an iPhone 4 and one of the biggest eye sores to me was the less-fluidness of changing programs, response to buttons (homescreen-back button) and pinch to zoom. After all these changes, it's a whole different story. Browsing is very appealing, especially since pinch to zoom isn't jagged or slow. The smoothness of this functionality is on par to an iPhone. And there is no waiting when I press the home button or back button.
True, maybe these numbers aren't considerably accurate (as far as the lag fix and EXT2) but at least it shows raw computing capability in it's current state... meaning, the usage of a virtual EXT2. Never the less, the phone is still all around faster, even if it isn't exactly the proper way of going about it.
The only problem I've seen so far is that it likes to randomly shut off. Won't respond to anything unless if I soft reset it. I haven't really found what causes it, since the consistency of it happening goes about in a non set pattern.

I didn't see any real world increase .. so I reverted back in about 4 hours.... I'd rather have the memory than a number that don't transfer to real world speeds...

Degraded 3D Performance with Froyo/Cog 2.2?

Hey everyone,
I was running Quadrant after flashing Cog 2.2/Froyo with OCLF. Everything seems to go faster but the 2D and 3D performance - I can definitely tell that the framerate is lower in those two tests than before. Am I crazy?...

Lencias said:
Hey everyone,
I was running Quadrant after flashing Cog 2.2/Froyo with OCLF. Everything seems to go faster but the 2D and 3D performance - I can definitely tell that the framerate is lower in those two tests than before. Am I crazy?...
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I noticed that framerates were lower as well, but only about 4 or 5 FPS. A drop this small isn't really all that significant, and 3D performance at 40 FPS rather than 44 FPS is still much better than a phone like the EVO which runs at like 18 FPS, so I wouldn't really worry that much

Yeah, I noticed it too. I'm also noticing other slowdowns, like a lag on the app drawer screen between my finger swipes and corresponding animations on the screen. If I swipe left or right, the actual swiping animation happens a split second later (noticeable lag). Something tells me this isn't the release build of this rom.
I'm also noticing that the battery dies much quicker with this new rom. I'd get about 2 days of use out of JH7 with the amount I use the phone, with JI6 I'm lucky if I get 8-10 hours.

Actually the benchmark result is quite amazing id say
It scores 1900+ in quadrant standarf
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Lencias said:
Hey everyone,
I was running Quadrant after flashing Cog 2.2/Froyo with OCLF. Everything seems to go faster but the 2D and 3D performance - I can definitely tell that the framerate is lower in those two tests than before. Am I crazy?...
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You are crazy... Quadrant is for SNAPDRAGON PHONES... STOP USING IT!!!

Use Neocore, that is a better FPS than quadrant. I still get 55.5/6 with Neocore so 3d performance is not degraded, at least not on my phone.

I'd expect some continued optimization of Froyo 2.2. Remember how laggy JF6 was? Then it got way better with JH2/3/7. I expect progress like that with the Froyo builds as well. With OCLF, JI6 is actually fairly impressive speed wise.

kennethpenn said:
I'd expect some continued optimization of Froyo 2.2. Remember how laggy JF6 was? Then it got way better with JH2/3/7. I expect progress like that with the Froyo builds as well. With OCLF, JI6 is actually fairly impressive speed wise.
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Hmm.. did you do anything after you flashed, like cleared dalvik cache and whatnot? Mine is actually running slower (UI-wise) than JF6

Its funny you posted this because I noticed it as well today when I ran Quadrant just to see what it would get. I think Quadrant is a horrible tool for benchmarking now since it can be so easily manipulated, but I did notice the FPS drop myself.

Gles 2/1 is perfectly fine, i scored 46fps on nenamark, so no need to worry about 3d performance, i do admit 2d does stutter a little tho.

designgears said:
You are crazy... Quadrant is for SNAPDRAGON PHONES... STOP USING IT!!!
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Take the man's advice! Quadrant is an awful way to measure performance on the Captivate. Quadrant is biased towards Snapdragon processors, and isn't all that accurate.
Sent from my Cognition 2.2 powered Captivate using XDA app.

It's running fine for me.
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Actually using NenaMark1 which is a benchmark app specifically for OpenGL2.0 I get slightly higher scores than on 2.1.

designgears said:
You are crazy... Quadrant is for SNAPDRAGON PHONES... STOP USING IT!!!
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dg, may as well save your breath. No matter what is said or done, there will always be people who complain that X is slower than when it was Y and be sure that they are right (and will argue they are right to their dying breath).
Synthetic benchmarks are b***it on a multitasking OS anyway, at any given time any thread can tie up a resource the synthetic benchmark needs or it may not. The only way you could truly benchmark something like this while still allowing multitasking would be with a long range sample like a few hours, the 30 -70 seconds Quadrant runs is a worthless snapshot in time.
They all think they are getting an answer but all they are really doing is using a magnifying glass on a Seurat and wondering why they don't get the big picture. Of course the performance issue couldn't be one of the apps they have installed or that has updated since the last time they benchmarked.
I have 206 apps installed on my captivate with even a ridiculous amount like that and more stuff than the average running I can still get a quadrant score of over 950, its a snapshot in the middle not an effective way to judge a film.

For everyone whinging about reduced "3D" performance, is the actual handset slower in real, day to day use?
This is stock 2.1 Firmware vs stock 2.2 Firmware.
Not Cognition/custom rom with lagfix vs Stock 2.2.

As much as I don't like benchmarks, in this they are only confirming the slow downs I'm seeing in real world use on the leaked froyo rom. (Not cognition)
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The first time I flashed 2.2 I saw some lag in the form of occasional black screens and delayed responses, even after installing OCLF.
I used Odin One-Click to flash back to JF6 and did a master clear before installing Cognition 2.2. Immediately applied OCLF before doing anything else. Not seeing the black screens and delayed responses this time. Some are suggesting it's the master clear that helps.
As for 3D performance, animations and scrolling between homescreens are a lot smoother than they were in 2.1. Games run awesome too. The only two places I notice some skippyness are in the app drawer (not often though, and very minor) and in the browser (this is due to a known memory leak bug).

1randomtask said:
For everyone whinging about reduced "3D" performance, is the actual handset slower in real, day to day use?
This is stock 2.1 Firmware vs stock 2.2 Firmware.
Not Cognition/custom rom with lagfix vs Stock 2.2.
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Yeah, I actually never bothered benchmarking, but I'm experiencing noticeable lag between swipes and corresponding animations in the app drawer and launcher.

modest_mandroid said:
Yeah, I actually never bothered benchmarking, but I'm experiencing noticeable lag between swipes and corresponding animations in the app drawer and launcher.
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I have never experienced that on 2.2, even before applying a lag fix. I suggest One-Clicking back to JF6, doing a master clear, and then installing 2.2 again.

No drop vs stock, the overclock kernel gave the extra fps. it also overclocked the gpu by 11%. 4-5 fps out of 40-45 is right in that area.
Edit :.i did a master clear so maybe that's why I don't see a problem
Not all benchmarks will work because our phones are capped at 56 fps. A benchmark needs to bog the gpu down below that for the whole test to get an accurate measurement. Quadrant does that for only party of the test. Many benchmarks can't do that at all.
Quadrant is a decent bench mark but our phones will not see the score increase of a snapdragon with froyo. linpack shows greatly inflated scores on snapdragon froyo devices. Greene computing goes over this on there website.
http://www.greenecomputing.com/
the full version of quadrant shows that the hummingbird and the processor in the droid 2/x mop the floor with the snapdragon in all areas but processing speed. The hummingbird having an edge over the droid x particularly in the 3d area but losing overall because of the rfs file system lag Which is apparently is weighed heavily and the reason the lagfix blows the score out of proportion and the different lagfixes have big gaps in the score while real world performance is not even noticeable.
http://slideme.org/application/quadrant-advanced
Composite scores don't mean anything and that is my gripe with quadrant, there is no way to decide how to weigh file system benchmarks against processor benchmarks against 3d, each area must be compared separately, and the user should be able to decide what that means.
Edit: linpack shows a huge increase over stock. 13.77 vs the 9.61 I got with voodoo and overclock. But still not at the level of a snapdragon. Wait till the next generating of arm processors come out, if you think a snapdragon/hummingbird hybrid would be awesome that's nothing compared to what's in the works. Higher clock speeds and multi-core cpu's aren't far away.
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Using ROMs: Performance increase?

I am considering using a custom ROM on the transformer, but is it worth it, I am mainly after performance increases. I see on a few that there are higher benchmark results, but does this actually translate into a real world speed increase?
I remember some custom ROMs for the original i9000 Galaxy S doubled the benchmark performance, but that was more down to "cheating" the benchmark than anything else, although it certainly was noticeable at times.
One of the slight criticisms I have of the TF101 is a slight amount of lag / lack of responsiveness occasionally - not a deal breaker, but if it can be improved then why not? Obviously not at the cost of stability though.
I think the SGS2 has spoiled me a bit here!

apparently there is a big increase (mostly from overclocking). i had the standard firmware for 3 days only, so I can't really tell, but one of my co-workers has a locked B70 and was wow-ed by my TF, the smoothness and speed of it.

Yes, I'm waiting too, to root it and put a cutom ROM on. I read, heard and saw the performance difference. Mainly from the overclock, but also thanks to kernel tweaks and stuff. So If you can root, do it
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I've never been that keen on the idea of overclocking, as I prefer to have a bit of headroom, but I guess if it is safe and makes a big difference, then I would give it a shot. What would be a good middle ground for stability / speed ?

1.4 IMO is very stable and doesn't increase heat or use more battery but the real world performance is noticable. I have never run a benchmark so I can't give you any numbers. Just my normal use.

Cheers for the reply.
Is there any one ROM that stands out as being the best performing?

Contrary to what people think they all perform about the same. There is no source so everyone is building of the same stock rom. If you want the same look then go with Revolution. If you want a little tweaked then go with Prime (What I'm on). If you want the tweaks and a nice tools package then go with Revolver (What I was just running). All 3 devs are really responsive to problems
If you start from a clean base and don't restore any system data from other builds then they will all be fast. The real speed difference is in the kernel and those can be flashed seperately from the rom. Clemsyn is really putting out kernels this week. Some good. Some not so good. Go with whats right for you.
EDIT: I have actually installed all 3 roms in the last week and run them at stock and at 1.4 Ghz. They all performed exactly the same for me. They were all equally stable. I don't use benchmarks because they can be fudged.

I've used all three too. I notice huge improvements with webpage rendering. It's almost as fast as my laptop, where as before I avoided using the browser if possible. The ability to hide the status bar is a really nice addition to the latest version of revolver.
Edit: autorotate is also alot faster.
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What would be a good middle ground for stability / speed ?
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There is no such thing as an overclocking "middle ground" when dealing with mobile chipsets such as the Tegra. It's not like overclocking a desktop computer where the CPU will constantly run at the specified speed; mobile chipsets are pre-configured to utilize only as much power as necessary. For that reason I always ramp up my tablet to the max clock speed it can reliably handle, because then the governor will handle balancing between speed, stability, and battery life. My clock speed can range from 216Mhz to 1624Mhz, and on the interactive governor I can still achieve a good 8 hours of battery life from a single charge.
Of course that's not to say that you couldn't constantly run at 1624Mhz all the time, and I do sometimes lock it to that speed for games. But for much of the OS interaction, it's not necessary to run at full speed all the time, and you won't notice a difference even if it is locked at full speed. It just comes in handy every once in a while for things like loading apps, loading web pages, and playing games.

AnTuTu Benchmarks

I have the highest score listed at 3300. What I'm asking is for people to start downloading AnTuTu Benchmark and running benchmarks while overclocked at 1.152 GHz, see if the score reaches over mine. I want do some research about our phones, but the more scores that are in, the easier and faster ill be able to compile my findings, and come up with something to further increase performance.
sent from my SGH-T839 (Sidekick 4G) running Glorious Overdose V3.0.3.

Benchmarks are bull****. Each value will come up differently depending on what is going on in the background and how Android chose to throttle the CPU while the benchmark was running...
Beyond that...
Overclocking this device is a known source of instability and most devices will crash under heavy load.
Also, I expect the heat will eventually cause issues when using GPS.
Any device is only as good as the weakest link and you are not increasing the speed of the memory, GPU, or the busses on the board.
What you are doing is increasing the heat inside the case above what the heatsinks are designed to handle and causing timing/sync issues.
There have been times in the past that a manufacturer saved money by producing a large amount of one chip and used it in many devices. In that kind of situation, the chip was sometimes "underclocked" and put in budget devices. I can assure you that is not the case with the Sidekick 4g.
Overclocking is an interesting idea in a large PC because there is plenty of room and accessories available. This device is not a PC.

Sorry, didn't see your reply sooner, been busy with the ROM and general life crap. But yes, too fast and you lag, but with the right overclock, you won't get too hot, but a notice a fair amount of increase. Though yes, I only overclock when need be due to increased battery drain. Regardless, I'm doing limit testing for stability purposes, speed purposes, and because I may attempt at one point to see what I can do about coworking 2.3 at the very least before switching over to the G2. After college starts, I won't be on here much at all.
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Getting terrible CPU performance..

No matter what rom I flash on my one x, my cpu performance is just terrible. I am using quadrant standard edition to benchmark, and everything else performs pretty well (ESPECIALLY memory) I have tried rohans kernel on a few roms, but benchmarks still are not great at all, even with overclocking. What could be the problem? I did not mess with voltage. Her are some screenshots of Nocturnal'd Dirty 4.2 Elements and RebelMOD 2.0.

do you notice a real world performance decrease? lock ups or lag, power cycling or hot boots? if not, id say your OK. you cant use benchamrks like that as a deciding factor in whether or not you have a defective cpu