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Just a question, is root still possible after the OTA?
blud7 said:
Just a question, is root still possible after the OTA?
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Yup. use the CWM method.
it'll up your flash count.
HG! said:
Yup. use the CWM method.
it'll up your flash count.
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Thanks, i have triangle away so I can live with that!
HG! said:
Yup. use the CWM method.
it'll up your flash count.
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What does upping the flash count do?
smaw51 said:
What does upping the flash count do?
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As I understand it, it is just a counter. But anyone with a bit of a brain could /
would know that you had flashed / rooted your tablet. The main concern most
people have is in returning the tablet, where the manufacturer or dealer would
know that you flashed software and this MAY void your warranty.
blud7 said:
As I understand it, it is just a counter. But anyone with a bit of a brain could /
would know that you had flashed / rooted your tablet. The main concern most
people have is in returning the tablet, where the manufacturer or dealer would
know that you flashed software and this MAY void your warranty.
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you understand correctly, and yes, Triangle Away resets that counter. However it's also worth mentioning that with recent Samsung devices, even if you reset the counter the device will still be marked as MODIFIED. Which makes it pretty much silly to use anyways. You basically need to be unrooted for that to go away in the case you need to claim warranty... But then there's probably something wrong with the tablet that would prevent one from resetting that if you're looking at the warranty. Have a 0 counter all you want, if they find superuser/SuperSU and some root apps... then you're caught
So, I've got JB 4.1.2 and am rooted. No custom ROM. (I think I used Chainfire's method, but can't remember exactly. If anybody can tell me if there's a way to verify that, it would be helpful.)
I'd like to be able to get OTA updates and have read several threads about Triangle Away. Frankly, I don't really understand them, and they scare me.
So, my questions are:
1. Is Triangle Away a pretty safe thing to do? I've read about having to reset if something should happen. I don't really want to have to do that.
2. Once I run Triangle Away, is my device the way it was before I started? I keep reading about a factory reset and am not really sure what that entails.
I don't want to have to start over. I just want to keep it the way I have it and be able to install OTA updates.
Thanks in advance!
loribuono said:
So, I've got JB 4.1.2 and am rooted. No custom ROM. (I think I used Chainfire's method, but can't remember exactly. If anybody can tell me if there's a way to verify that, it would be helpful.)
I'd like to be able to get OTA updates and have read several threads about Triangle Away. Frankly, I don't really understand them, and they scare me.
So, my questions are:
1. Is Triangle Away a pretty safe thing to do? I've read about having to reset if something should happen. I don't really want to have to do that.
2. Once I run Triangle Away, is my device the way it was before I started? I keep reading about a factory reset and am not really sure what that entails.
I don't want to have to start over. I just want to keep it the way I have it and be able to install OTA updates.
Thanks in advance!
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1. Yes it works pretty well for me
2. No - you're still rooted. Factory reset will make no difference.
If you're rooted then it's simple no OTA. You need to return to stock so a stock OTA can be applied.
Incidentally for my $500 device I can remember exactly what method I used to root it on every occasion that I have needed to.
1. Exynos Abuse - first root - maintained by Mobile Odin
2. Chainfire for 4.1.2 BTU
3. Chainfire for 4.1.2 XSG
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Now that I think about it, I've probably done you a dis-service.
Did you even check what Triangle Away does?
It (requires root) resets the Binary flash counter so Samsung don't know you've flashed something you shouldn't have.
The things you shouldn't have flashed include
Chainfire AF
TWRP
CWM
etc
For any changes to Recovery - The Binary counter cannot be reset permanently. It will increases every time it detects a custom recovery
im thinking of rooting now as I'm not sure that Samsung are going to role out any more updates for the note 10.1 - its all quiet on that front (I have S3 to and it's quiet on that front to). So in reality it doesn't really matter about OTA (i guess). Ill make my mind up more once I have a question answered regarding root apps.
Bulbous said:
1. Yes it works pretty well for me
2. No - you're still rooted. Factory reset will make no difference.
If you're rooted then it's simple no OTA. You need to return to stock so a stock OTA can be applied.
Incidentally for my $500 device I can remember exactly what method I used to root it on every occasion that I have needed to.
1. Exynos Abuse - first root - maintained by Mobile Odin
2. Chainfire for 4.1.2 BTU
3. Chainfire for 4.1.2 XSG
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Now that I think about it, I've probably done you a dis-service.
Did you even check what Triangle Away does?
It (requires root) resets the Binary flash counter so Samsung don't know you've flashed something you shouldn't have.
The things you shouldn't have flashed include
Chainfire AF
TWRP
CWM
etc
For any changes to Recovery - The Binary counter cannot be reset permanently. It will increases every time it detects a custom recovery
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I don't understand your answer to number 2. No, it's not the same as it was before Triangle Away? It's still rooted? That is the way it was before Triangle Away.
I also don't understand this: "If you're rooted then it's simple no OTA."
What I want to know is: Will running Triangle Away on my rooted device (no custom ROM) allow me to install OTA updates (by resetting the counter), but leave my device otherwise unchanged?
from what I understood by researching this for myself (correct me if I'm wrong) , as long as you have root your device will be shown as 'custom' under device settings(even it you have no binary count ), So you won't be able to relieve OTA updates, the only way to receive OTA would be to format system , but then you would lose root, So having root AND OTA at the same time is not possible .
however,I think that apps like triangle away have a option that can hide root or something like that.I didn't read into this though
again, I'm new here as well So I'm not sure it what I said here is correct- its also a way to check if I understood
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loribuono said:
I don't understand your answer to number 2. No, it's not the same as it was before Triangle Away? It's still rooted? That is the way it was before Triangle Away.
I also don't understand this: "If you're rooted then it's simple no OTA."
What I want to know is: Will running Triangle Away on my rooted device (no custom ROM) allow me to install OTA updates (by resetting the counter), but leave my device otherwise unchanged?
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Triangle Away is used to reset the built in flash counter that Samsung can check to see if you flashed a custom recovery. Typically people flash a custom recovery as a first step in rooting their phone. So the flash counter is increased from 0, and they can tell that you're a naughty boy and have "abused" your phone - warrant void. Triangle away DOES NOT alter the fact that you then went on to root the phone. So your root status remains.
OTA updates check the status of the phone (custom), they don't check the flash counter. So Triangle Away has no effect at all on OTA updates since it doesn't effect root.
So if your phone is rooted then you CANNOT get OTA updates and TA will not help you. You have to NOT be rooted to get OTA.
To go further, you probably have to have never rooted on that particular ROM to receive OTA updates.
So - to be clear
1. If you want OTA - then use TA to clear flash counter and then use ODIN to flash the latest stock rom for your country - this will erase root and place stock recovery.
2. If you want root then just face the fact that you cannot have OTA
I just checked my flash counter - it's 1 because i have TWRP installed. I can reset it to 0 with TA, but it just goes back to 1 all the time that TWRP is there.
loribuono.... can you tell us what version or build rom you have?
Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.........
As loribuono is running a stock rooted rom they could reset flash count with Triangle Away.
Then use odin to install the latest rom for his device from http://samfirmware.com/
This should put them back to factory and my experience has been that no data will be lost.
Then run update to see if you truly have all the latest updates.
Then root again.
This should work correct??????
Oh..... remember to make a backup in TWRP or CWM before doing any of the above and you will be OK.
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kkretch said:
loribuono.... can you tell us what version or build rom you have?
Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.........
As loribuono is running a stock rooted rom they could reset flash count with Triangle Away.
Then use odin to install the latest rom for his device from http://samfirmware.com/
This should put them back to factory and my experience has been that no data will be lost.
Then run update to see if you truly have all the latest updates.
Then root again.
This should work correct??????
Oh..... remember to make a backup in TWRP or CWM before doing any of the above and you will be OK.
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+1 on this.
If you are rooted and want to remain rooted, you do not want OTA updates. Download firmware from sammobile and install via mobileODIN. Set to inject root and MobileODIN.
This method keeps my note 10.1 stock, rooted, latest firmware.
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methaq said:
+1 on this.
If you are rooted and want to remain rooted, you do not want OTA updates. Download firmware from sammobile and install via mobileODIN. Set to inject root and MobileODIN.
This method keeps my note 10.1 stock, rooted, latest firmware.
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O I like this... But how can you be sure you downloaded the correct version when is released? ... I'm in UK note 8010 wifi... What things would I typically need to look for?
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lisa2blonde said:
O I like this... But how can you be sure you downloaded the correct version when is released? ... I'm in UK note 8010 wifi... What things would I typically need to look for?
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Go to http://samfirmware.com/ and type in 8010 and it will tell you all the firmware that is out for your unit.
It looks like this is the latest for yours.
N8010XXUCMB2_N8010O2UCMB1_O2U.zip | 1028.9 MB
http://www.hotfile.com/dl/204300257/b1c466c/N8010XXUCMB2_N8010O2UCMB1_O2U.zip.html
Oh... It's that easy to upgrade the firmware with mobile odin. Thank you so much for the tips. I'm going to root the device and forget about OTA. I could just do with knowing a number of useful and key 'root apps' now too. I guess triangle away and mobile odin are essential.
Thank you so much for the advice
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kkretch said:
loribuono.... can you tell us what version or build rom you have?
Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.........
As loribuono is running a stock rooted rom they could reset flash count with Triangle Away.
Then use odin to install the latest rom for his device from http://samfirmware.com/
This should put them back to factory and my experience has been that no data will be lost.
Then run update to see if you truly have all the latest updates.
Then root again.
This should work correct??????
Oh..... remember to make a backup in TWRP or CWM before doing any of the above and you will be OK.
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My build version is JZO54K.N8013UEUCMA3
My counter is set to 5, because I had at one time put the German ROM on this thing. I went back to stock, updated to JB and then rooted. That's where I'm at.
I don't understand most of this stuff, like when someone says "set to inject root and MobileODIN." Set what? What is "inject root?" It's the terminology I don't get.
Not to mention the conflicting information... you can.. you can't. Still don't know if what I want is possible.
loribuono said:
My build version is JZO54K.N8013UEUCMA3
My counter is set to 5, because I had at one time put the German ROM on this thing. I went back to stock, updated to JB and then rooted. That's where I'm at.
I don't understand most of this stuff, like when someone says "set to inject root and MobileODIN." Set what? What is "inject root?" It's the terminology I don't get.
Not to mention the conflicting information... you can.. you can't. Still don't know if what I want is possible.
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Since you are rooted, install triangleaway and run it... Presto, you now have 0 flash count...
I am currently searching for a method to root the Galaxy Tab 2 7" (Model numbers P3110 and P3100) without increasing the custom binary flash counter. As far as I am informed, if the device can be rooted without touching the counter, mobile odin could flash roms without affecting it either. It comes with a 4.0.4 firmware so hacking via /data/local is no longer possible.
As an alternateve, if it would be possible to bring CWM to the device without increasing the counter, a rooted rom could be installed via recovery also leaving alone the counter. (This at least works flawlessly with CyanogenMod on my galax s2 ever since.) It seems that the recovery.img for CWM alone could be flashed using the stock recovery from an external sd card when converted to a zip. Will this increase the counter? There also seems to be something called temporary CWM which is only executed for a single run, not installed permenently. Although I did not find much information and do not know where to get it, maybe this could be more safe?
Or perhaps someone can tell me another way of safely rooting the tab I did not think about.
ProjectPassive said:
I am currently searching for a method to root the Galaxy Tab 2 7" (Model numbers P3110 and P3100) without increasing the custom binary flash counter. As far as I am informed, if the device can be rooted without touching the counter, mobile odin could flash roms without affecting it either. It comes with a 4.0.4 firmware so hacking via /data/local is no longer possible.
As an alternateve, if it would be possible to bring CWM to the device without increasing the counter, a rooted rom could be installed via recovery also leaving alone the counter. (This at least works flawlessly with CyanogenMod on my galax s2 ever since.) It seems that the recovery.img for CWM alone could be flashed using the stock recovery from an external sd card when converted to a zip. Will this increase the counter? There also seems to be something called temporary CWM which is only executed for a single run, not installed permenently. Although I did not find much information and do not know where to get it, maybe this could be more safe?
Or perhaps someone can tell me another way of safely rooting the tab I did not think about.
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Just use Triangle Away after rooting to return your flash counter to 0.
Sent from your phone. You should be careful where you leave that thing.
Skipjacks said:
Just use Triangle Away after rooting to return your flash counter to 0.
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Resetting the counter is a well known strategy to calm your mind. Fuzzy rumor even has it that there could be another hidden counter counting counter resets. Anyways, here I want to search for a way to root without increasing any counter to begin with.
The /data/local hack could be applied to a 4.0.3 firmware. Luckily sammobile indeed provides this version. But is it safe to flash? Will installing the P3110XXALD4_P3110DBTALD1_DBT.zip via stock recovery trip the counter?
ProjectPassive said:
Resetting the counter is a well known strategy to calm your mind. Fuzzy rumor even has it that there could be another hidden counter counting counter resets. Anyways, here I want to search for a way to root without increasing any counter to begin with.
The /data/local hack could be applied to a 4.0.3 firmware. Luckily sammobile indeed provides this version. But is it safe to flash? Will installing the P3110XXALD4_P3110DBTALD1_DBT.zip via stock recovery trip the counter?
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Dude the traingle away method method has been used like a million times by people who want to get their warranty back after rooting or flashing custom roms , and even if there is a hidden flash counter then the samsung service shop people dont know about that because i too had reset the flash counter and gave to them when i had some touch issues and they replaced the tab for me !!!
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Has anybody tried to use framaroot?
kunjcool said:
even if there is a hidden flash counter then the samsung service shop people dont know about that because i too had reset the flash counter and gave to them when i had some touch issues and they replaced the tab for me !!!
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Thanks for this promising information. I will consider rooting the device with a counter incrementing method when I am sure that there is no way to avoid it.
bongski55 said:
Has anybody tried to use framaroot?
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Framaroot gives the message "Your device seems not vulnerable to exploit included in Framaroot" on startup and exits right away giving me no chance to even try one of the exploits.
I have a warranty, how i can clear my phone from custom rom count, root etc. I've heard about 'Triangle Away', but how can i launch it from "bootloop nexus"? Is there another way?
I have a feeling you're well on your way to "bootloop nexus".
What are you trying to do exactly?? You want to get back to full stock to claim warranty??
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There is no flash counter. There is only a tamper flag for when the bootloader is unlocked, read the stickied threads in General and there's a method to reset that.
Google doesn't care if you have any custom firmware/unlocked bootloader/"root" anyways, they'll still honor the warranty, as long as it's a hardware manufacturing fault and not something that came about because of anything you did to it software-wise.
cwclasses said:
I have a warranty, how i can clear my phone from custom rom count, root etc. I've heard about 'Triangle Away', but how can i launch it from "bootloop nexus"? Is there another way?
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Triangle Away if for Samsung devices that have a Yellow warning triangle after rooting... With a Nexus device you won't have this.
Read this thread for returning to stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/tutorial-how-to-flash-factory-image-t2513701
brichardson1991 said:
Triangle Away if for Samsung devices that have a Yellow warning triangle after rooting... With a Nexus device you won't have this.
Read this thread for returning to stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/tutorial-how-to-flash-factory-image-t2513701
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thx for reply, but my emmc is dead...so i can't do this ;(
As I understand, only Samsung devices can be traced for root and custom ROMs?
With a Nexus device you won't have this.
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It's about a Yellow Triangle, isn't it? Or you did you mean an inability to hide it from warranty service?
p.s. sorry for my english....
DO NOT use Triangle Away, it is only for Samsung devices. Nexus devices do not have a flash counter, so running Triangle Away serves no purpose and may in fact further damage your device.
How do you decide between using the ChainFire rooting method and using Skipsoft's Android Toolkit? What are the pros and cons of each? Do they both trip the Knox fuse?
(when using a G900P on 4.4.4)
I have the same doubt~ different rooting methods, which is a better way to go???
Both will trip Knox. I personally would recommend ChainFires rooting method as its more trusted in the xda community. Also Chainfire has SuperSu, and a few other apps for the rooted device
Thanks Elwood
Do you by the chance to know that whether we can use TriangleAway to unroot? I knew this forum is for the S5 and it may work, but I have the Note 4 now and it doesn't seem like any confirmation the TriangleAway is working on Note 4~
Thanks.
jayjy said:
Thanks Elwood
Do you by the chance to know that whether we can use TriangleAway to unroot? I knew this forum is for the S5 and it may work, but I have the Note 4 now and it doesn't seem like any confirmation the TriangleAway is working on Note 4~
Thanks.
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Triangle Away doesnt let you unroot. On some devices it will change the Device Status from "Moddified" back to "Original".
Best way to unroot is using Odin to flash a stock image and recovery. Triangle Away was more useful back on the Galaxy s2 devices. Being the Note 4 is Samsung Odin is your best friend
elwood said:
Triangle Away doesnt let you unroot. On some devices it will change the Device Status from "Moddified" back to "Original".
Best way to unroot is using Odin to flash a stock image and recovery. Triangle Away was more useful back on the Galaxy s2 devices. Being the Note 4 is Samsung Odin is your best friend
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Oh i got it, earlier I heard TriangleAway can get your photo back to stock status for warranty purpose if we rooted the phone.
Rightnow I want to root my Note 4 but i still wanna keep the warranty. That's why I want to see whether TriangleAway works on Note 4.
I guess if I really want to root, I should do it now and later even I don't get the OTA update, I can use the ODIN to flash the updated Lollipop rom onto the phone.