I've just got myself a new tablet...loving the thing but at the same time knowing that in time it will be obsolete. But what will improve? Octo-core cpu, super sensitive screen, maybe solar screen that charges the tab... BUT... How would it be if we could buy a shell in whatever size you prefer.. and then buy the latest screen /battery /cpu to fit inside. You could customise with your preferred shell type (bamboo, titanium, aluminium, carbon fibre etc) and it would last you until it breaks.
So is it a good idea or would you rather buy your tablet pre-packaged and ready to go?!
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I wrote a long post about why this is not practical and wouldn't give a good product here.
It's really just not worth it. Mobile technology operates in a very small space, even compared to laptops - there's just not room for "upgrade to the newest battery" or "newest CPU" without the tablet being huge - and you'll still have to realise that the bridge for that CPU is going to become obsolete probably as fast as the CPU itself would have - and battery technology will change.
The tiny runs of "latest screens" are going to be more expensive than mass-market ones. And who is to say that you could even use them with the GPU and PSU present in the device ? What if you had to replace those ? What are you really saving ? It's a sort of DIY satisfaction, but you'd be over-paying and having an expensive hobby that wouldn't have the latest technology for more than if you just replaced and recycled - and one that wouldn't get Android updates most likely ever (and who is going to essentially make you a custom ROM for the hardware you selected ? That's going to add to the cost)
Desktops do what they do because they have space and the set-up to allow much to be changed and have a LOT of freedom.
Tablets aren't like desktops - for better and worse.
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Hi, I'm back ... I start this new thread to expose my concepts about phones, I'm not a professional but I try to imagine some original devices with some originals spcecifications ...
All your comments (good or bad) are welcome ...
I'm usually inspired by HTC and my latest concept is one of them ...
The entire concept and the others are here --> NAK PHONE DESIGN
[NEW] 3 March 2011 --> Second part of the concept, the TUBE TABLET (2nd post) ...
[NEW] 21 April 2011 --> Third part of the concept, the STICK PHONE and the TUBE LAPTOP (3rd post) ...
Hi, here is the second part of my HTC TUBE Concept ...
Hi, here is the third part of my HTC TUBE Concept (and the last) ...
The entire concept and the others are here --> NAK PHONE DESIGN
Here's the HTC STICK PHONE for the TUBE Tablet ...
and the HTC TUBE Laptop ...
Interesting concept but why make the whole cartridge thing? I don't think many people will be swapping out the internals of their phone often enough to justify it.
Nice concepts!
Interesting...like the size & curves!
I had already seen pictures of the concept and find it gorgeous
I wouldn't be interested by the multiple cartridges (I had already the dual boot on my former HD2 and for my daily use I don't see the point in sticking with more than 1 OS. It's cool for testing but otherwise ...Just my opinion ).
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Interesting concept but why make the whole cartridge thing? I don't think many people will be swapping out the internals of their phone often enough to justify it.
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I have to agree with this point.
I just don't see the concept clicking with what customers want.
The only possible advantage IMO would be that if you dropped your phone and damaged the casing or screen, you could quickly and easily replace it yourself but beyond that, it doesn't seem like practical concept.
I would love a cartridge based phone that would let me have multiple ROMs loaded onto the cartridges, and switch OS by rebooting with another one.
Not for everyday use, but rather for developing
cool, al like this
For the interest of the cartridge, more than the choice of the hardware level (and of the price !!!...), you will see soon the part 2 of this concept ... In next few days ...
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i like this design.
What if the concept was beyond just the cartridge though? After all, a smaller cartridge footprint could enable you to have the internals in different housings. For example, a much smaller housing for a more discrete phone, say for going out in the evening, when you don't want the bulk but still want all your 'stuff'?
Or a rugged housing for sports/camping/mountain biking/etc?
Or perhaps an in-vehicle version where you just slot the thing into a console in the vehicle, rather than the phone into a cradle?
Finally, you could have an at home/office version where you slot it into a small footprint dock that has higher spec hardware but still uses the data and applications on the device.
I personally can see far more uses for the internals in other housings idea rather than the single housing, multiple internals. That said, both would work together as you can use any internal module in any housing..
From a manufacturer's point of view this *could* work. One standard screen/housing/connections with multiple options of different phones "internals".
Interesting idea.
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What if the concept was beyond just the cartridge though? After all, a smaller cartridge footprint could enable you to have the internals in different housings. For example, a much smaller housing for a more discrete phone, say for going out in the evening, when you don't want the bulk but still want all your 'stuff'?
Or a rugged housing for sports/camping/mountain biking/etc?
Or perhaps an in-vehicle version where you just slot the thing into a console in the vehicle, rather than the phone into a cradle?
Finally, you could have an at home/office version where you slot it into a small footprint dock that has higher spec hardware but still uses the data and applications on the device.
I personally can see far more uses for the internals in other housings idea rather than the single housing, multiple internals. That said, both would work together as you can use any internal module in any housing..
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I agree with this point completely. I'm actually already sorta doing this type of thing by swapping my SIM card to and from my Galaxy Tab and my Galaxy S. I'll usually bring my Tab with me to work, but use my Galaxy S for when I'm traveling light and hanging out with friends etc.
It would be even cooler though if my semi-internal hardware cartridge could remain powered on while I hot-swap it from my phone to my tablet to my desktop dock or car dock etc etc. THAT would be super cool, and practical. Kinda like what Motorola is trying to do with the Atrix, but maybe in a more elegant manner.
Step666 said:
I have to agree with this point.
I just don't see the concept clicking with what customers want.
The only possible advantage IMO would be that if you dropped your phone and damaged the casing or screen, you could quickly and easily replace it yourself but beyond that, it doesn't seem like practical concept.
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It's more practical and cost efficient if you think about it. This is a really slick and just awesome design, but what if you hardly use your phone? You aren't going to need a 1.5 Dual Core processor with a 12 MP camera, you may just want the starter pack.
Then people don't have to pay for a high end phone with features they aren't going to use. It's actually really smart and practical....I like it.
You need to send this to HTC, go to the manufacturing plant, and start building this phone!
EDIT: I just went on your site, and you really need to send these ideas to HTC or something. You have some really nice ideas, designs, and talent..I'd seriously buy all of these phones.
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I had already seen pictures of the concept and find it gorgeous
I wouldn't be interested by the multiple cartridges (I had already the dual boot on my former HD2 and for my daily use I don't see the point in sticking with more than 1 OS. It's cool for testing but otherwise ...Just my opinion ).
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Valid Point, I dont why you would want all the confusion, Not to kill your concept NAK but at least a 32GB also 4G should be available on all model. that just me!!!
Amazing concept! I would sell a kidney to get one Just kidding, but its a really awesome design
oh~man! This is great! I would like to buy one
Do you accept preorders for this beauty?
Love it.
I broke the screen connector and it's probably not worth trying to replace it.
So I'm thinking of getting a new phone. I'd rather not replace it with the same phone as then it'd feel like I outright wasted money, I'd rather pay a little extra for something either better or a more recognisable brand that's thus easier to get parts for.
I'm thinking of the HTC Wildfire S. It actually has a GPU on it, which could be nice for playing games. However I've heard some of the mid sized Samsungs could be a better option in terms of build quality. The Wildfire S also only has a 600mhz CPU which isn't any better than my Blade, but I know that's not necessarily an accurate measure of performance(old PPC processors vs intel for example). Screen is lower resolution too, but it's hard to get a screen as good as the Blade's.
I mainly need a Smart Phone for web browsing, checking facebook etc. It could have been the ROM(though I did get through like 5 of them) but I found Facebook at least to be incredibly slow and in general web browsing wasn't a very smooth experience.
There weren't many games that worked either. I'd like to at least be able to play Sonic CD for example, as I hear it's a pretty good port. If there are any cheapish phones that come with attachable controls(at least I've heard they may exist) I'd probably prioritise that over anything else since I can just use emulators in that case.
Looking at no more than €150, I'd rather go less if possible. I need something just a little bit better than the SanFan. Same size would be nice as I just bought a carry case for it, but a little bigger could be handy too.
I would like to see custom phones like empty shells that can have this screen that processor and this much ram. To put tegether the hardware we want.
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They probably won't ever be available to the general consumer, since it is pretty much a customized item. Which are usually very expensive. If the manufacturer has to keep taking requests instead of mass producing then either
A. Production is extremely slow and they go out of business
Or
B. They charge high prices to do this and no one wants to pay that except for Lebron James so once again not available to the general consuner
Also no updates. You would have to build a custom ROM yourself if a new version of Android came out
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It would still be cool if we could upgrade the ram or something on our own maybe one day with a different operating system. Hmm maybe blackberry 10
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Go work in China
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Phones aren't desktop computers - they're not even laptops.
Being able to "upgrade the RAM" is not the same concept when it comes to the phone. Besides, even if someone could come up with a system - you'd be paying an extraordinary amount of money just to be able to have a huge, clunky phone in which you could "upgrade" one component.
Why bother ? The other components are going to become obsolete, too. Why spend more money when you could just buy a "normal" phone and upgrade ALL components for at a total savings ?
Phone hardware is specialised to fit in a small package. "Custom" laptops are ugly and bulky - and don't even let you pick that many components. Who wants an ugly and bulky phone that costs more than a mass-market one ? I don't think a lot of people would go for that. Sure, custom desktop geeks are willing to let a big chassis take up a lot of space in their homes - but they don't have to lug that thing with them everywhere they go (only to really serious LAN parties and only if they're poor college geeks who can't keep up with gaming laptops or mini-boxes or something).
If you look at phone motherboards, they're very, very compact with chips on both sides - this is going to mean making the phones a lot bigger to be able to make those user-accessible, not to mention the bulk taken up by the new connections needed to make this all interchangeable.
So, let's say it will cost you $2000 for this phone - and this phone is going to be at least 7" tablet size... o, but there's another problem... you can't just make the screen bigger to cover all the area taken up by these new, bulky, spread-out components - because you'd have to make the battery bigger, but there's nowhere to put more battery unless you make the phone even thicker.
So you're going to end up with a a big rock with a small screen - either really, really thick or a huge bezel. That alone is going to make it pretty ugly. And you have to remember that this thing isn't super-powerful, either. So you're trading the portability and weight of a phone to be able to change a few components that are likely going to be obsolete before the $2000 even pays for itself.
Because you could have just bought a $700 phone - and another one, and most of a 3rd. That's six years of phones if you keep them each for 2 years.
Do you really think that the huge beast of a $2000 phone with swappable components is going to be in great condition or have great specs 4 years out, even if the company that made it for you is still in business and producing the custom RAM it needs ? Of course not. Yet you could have had a brand-new, top-of-the-line phone at that time for the same amount of money.
I know it's a cool idea to be able to customise your phone - and maybe some day technology will be there. But right now it's a really, really bad trade in value.
Ever since ~September of 2012 when Windows 8 was released and I tried it for the first time, I have been giving this idea a lot of thought. Mobile devices are becoming so powerful and more and more people are ditching their computer for an iPad / other tabet, which is almost equally as powerful as their old computer. Take the newly announced Tegra 4 APU. It has 72 freaking graphics cores!!!!! I run a laptop with a Geforce 555M that has 96 cuda cores, and I use that for intensive gaming. That is insane! What would ANYONE need 72 graphics cores on a mobile device for? The most graphically intensive android game I can think of off the top of my head is NOVA 3, and honestly, does that need a quad core processor, 72 graphics cores, and (probably becoming standard). 2GB of ram? NO! So why do companies pack those rediculous specs into a phone/tablet for? Does anyone else remember the days of a 1GHz single core Athlon processor on a desktop, and that was considered the best? Now dont get me wrong, I'm not saying we should throttle mobile devices just for the sake of throttling them, but I am trying to get my point across that there is no reason for those kinds of specs to be packed into a device that was originally intended to make calls.
I'm not ranting/raving or anything. Sorry if it comes across that way. I'm just curious to see if anyone is still out there that isn't converting to an average consumer who just cares how many gpu/cpu cores and how much ram they can get into a 4" cell phone.
My dad was never big into computers. Now that he has a smartphone, he says he hardly ever uses his desktop. So, for a lot of people, I think that their mobile devices can perform and replace the functions of a "for pleasure" desktop. Obviously, this is not going to cut it for the kind of gamer who cares about overclocking and liquid cooling - there's just more freedom with a custom desktop build, but I'm sure they'll appreciate mobile gaming, too - I know I do.
A phone might be a little small for web-browsing, but not everyone is big into that. Apps for e-mail, Facebook, eBay - those cover a lot of "normal" use.
And a 10" tablet is a good size to enjoy full web-browsing. For me, personally, it's not entirely the same, but it's close enough for most of my uses. I still prefer the desktop for some things, but I can do them without much trouble on the tablet, too. For me, a tablet with keyboard has taken the place of a laptop - I still like having a desktop for movies, games, and backup - but a tablet covers all the things I needed a laptop for. I think a lot of people can find that is true, who don't use their laptops for much "heavy lifting" - they'll find that a tablet is smaller, lighter, and does a lot of things very well.
With the lowering price of tablets, I do think that they will be able to take a good part of the consumer market that will find they don't need a laptop or even desktop (and we know that desktops have already been on the way out for the average consumer).
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The GTX 680M (Nvidia Kepler card for laptops) is running on 1184 or so CUDA-cores.
The high end desktop Keplers I can't recall, but it's safe to say that the less than hundred cores in the Tegra 4 SoC really only tells you one thing:
Mobile units just cannot -at least for a very long time- replace stationary electronics.
I don't remember the clock speed of the Tegra cores, but the Kepler cards run at over 1GHz.
When materials allow power supply, battery lifetime and passive cooling comparable to what is available to a stationary unit, then mobile units will replace them.
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I think that there will always be a need for desktop computers, at least in the foreseeable future. Mobile devices are good and quite convenient for media consumption, but try doing any kind of serious work on one. Electronics will continue to become more and more miniaturized, and it's possible that one day desktops will simply be a thing of the past, but we still have a long way to go.
(Here's hoping that we see holography in our lifetimes!)
Holography already exists, and not just the fake kind, Google it
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I think that there will always be a need for desktop computers, at least in the foreseeable future. Mobile devices are good and quite convenient for media consumption, but try doing any kind of serious work on one. Electronics will continue to become more and more miniaturized, and it's possible that one day desktops will simply be a thing of the past, but we still have a long way to go.
(Here's hoping that we see holography in our lifetimes!)
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I think it depends on the consumer. Most consumers are ditching desktops for laptops. The laptops in some cases function just like a desktop would, almost always at home and plugged in - but people are staying away from machines that aren't portable more than ever.
Desktops are certainly still needed for heavy lifting - gaming and many work applications. But for a person who's not in a tech field, a laptop can do all the word-processing one could need as well as email and simple company applications. People who use computers as an accessory tool, not a primary one, don't need a desktop since a laptop can provide the same power they'd have gotten in a bigger, immobile box. And this way they can work from the couch or kitchen table.
Tablets aren't going to take over things like word-processing, although I can see farther in the future the modular concept expanded upon (I use my ASUD Transformer for word-processing quite often).
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Hello,
(excuse me for errors in my language)
Do you think we have reach the limits of performance and usability with the latest hardware available on the market for our smartphone ?
We can put it this way: Do you think it is still useful to buy smartphone with more powerful hardware than S4 or this type of phone ?
They are definitly smooth, and for their use, I think pay for more is useless.
But maybe their use will change, they will somehow replace our desktop pc in the way we can connect them to screen and mouse everywhere we go (I know that ubuntu touch already does this).
Thanks
I'm sure we haven't reached out limits. Android owns the phone market right now and I'm sure it will go a long way. As for the price the price will always be crap. I think the highest phone for a no contract I have seen was a iPhone 5 for 700. I'm sure the prices will keep going up.
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The industry will always strive to develop faster, smaller and more efficient hardware. And software developers will always find new ways to make use of that hardware.
Smartphones are becoming more and more multi-purpose platforms. With USB OTG, this direction is clearly defined. The increasing screen size is also a product of that. You can already use many phones as a more grown-up multimedia device, connected to your AV equipment and external controllers. This opens up a whole different arena, both in regards to software possibilities, and harware requirements accordngly.
There really is no real limit as to how far this train will go - especially considering the ammount of money people are willing to pay for their phones. And with the chinese marked and developement coming rushing up like a mountain on wheels from behind - both development time and price level is likely to drop a little, rather than increase.
Moore's law. A model that predicts the experiential increase of computing power. As for cellphones, I think it is about demand and supply. The processors in the latest phones have reached a limit threshold on what a consumer would use it for. Before when processors was lacking, consumers wanted better ones resulting in manufacturer competition on who has the fastest phone. First the 1GHz race then the quad core race and now we have 2GHz quad cores. There is now not as much demand for faster CPUs in phones atleast so manufacturers and focusing on other areas to compete for who has the best phone such as better battery, better screen, fast 4G, lighter, etc.