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I am seeing more and more dis-respectful replies to newbies then ever before, and it is getting old, all this does is run off potential new comers to this site who might be the next great cooker and spreads a not so good rep about this site
at the same time I see some mods have be respectful to others in there sigs. I think this should become policy across the forum period and those that are rude and disrespectful in their reply should get a vacation to let them know this is not to be tolerated IMO
This site is about growth and interest in these toys of ours, not about ripping newbies who may ask a question that maybe have been asked many times over, so what, why not just post a link to the search and to the Wiki and say welcome to the forums , instead of bashing them? It would leave a better taste in the newbs mouths and they might become a contributor in the future.
Also think about this, just how many of you cookers have something in your sig asking for a cup of coffee ? or Donate to XDA or Donations graciously accepted. Well if a newbie is made to feel welcomed and comfortable here , They are more then likely going leave you a little something.
Me , If I notice a rom cooker being rude, they are not very likely going to get anything from me even if they had something great and useful.
I just replied to a newbie that asked a simple question, but not before someone posted a B.S. reply, I instead answered it with something useful and promoted the search engine at the same time
This did two things, first the newbies was made to feel welcomed and also if someone was to search the same question, they would find a reasonable answer.
BTW B.S. replies just screw up the search results forcing newbies just ask questions instead of finding answers.
Flame away if you want or become part of the solution .
i agree,
there are times that newbs do need help. some of those who i have pointed in the right direction have tried to search, but either search the wrong thing or don't know what they are looking for.
it does work two ways and some of the mods and senior members are to be commended for their help. ( i can think of about 10 folks who go out of their way to help as many as possible and never rip a newb)
those who are helped are more likely to help others.
I find it often takes longer to explain how to use the search facility properly to yield useable results than it takes to answer the specific question, but there is no excuse for rude replies, if you don't like what you see simply move on rather than posting an offensive reply - Mike
Here is a good example of what I am talking about,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403829
This reply by kspirit did nothing to help this user ,
No , nothing like that runs on the tilt..
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its these kind of responses that need to be curtailed.
Even though a mod did respond , he/she did nothing regarding the above users response. All this does is give the impression that this behavior is condoned .
I am not knocking the Moderator (I do find him to be very helpful) but they do have a huge influence on how others act on this site, and by not informing this above user that these types of replies are not helpful or uncalled for) they are giving the impression that it is okay.
Mods & Admin , what do you all think ? Am I off track here ?
Just wanted to add this:
If the mods were to take the time to edit the titles like this one " New AT&T Tilt Phone - Help" to something like this...Will software like HTC Home, Mobile Shell, Pocket Informant work on both the tilt & 8525?. or something along those lines.....
This would help with search engine results, Yea its abit more work for the mods to do this but it will help greatly in producing more viable search results .
Just a thought...
i think what drives some ppl to be rude is the fact that the ppl who decided to ask a repeated question were told that they have to search for an existing answer before asking a new question, and that they decided not to do that and just post a new one, i think both are mistaken here, and the one with the question brought it on themselves. i really don't like rude answers, but!
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i think what drives some ppl to be rude is the fact that the ppl who decided to ask a repeated question were told that they have to search for an existing answer before asking a new question, and that they decided not to do that and just post a new one, i think both are mistaken here, and the one with the question brought it on themselves. i really don't like rude answers, but!
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Ahh do you search much ? this user did not ask the same question twice....
and there is no excuse for being rude, and so what if they had ? a simple link to the Wiki would be a very easy way to deal with it, and a welcome to the forum would get much better results.
why would I want to donate or promote this site in any form if all I got is ripped on ? hmmm
Like Mike has posted,
if you don't like what you see simply move on rather than posting an offensive reply - Mike
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This would yield better results .
by "told" i meant that for example in the kaiser forum, the only sticky there is titled "**BEFORE YOU POST START HERE**" and it says "Read and search before posting. Reply to an existing thread before creating a new thread. Redundant threads will be closed." so, if somebody decides that he/she wants to just ignore this, he/she brought it on themselves. i don't do bad language, or encourage it, but, sometimes some ppl can be really so lazy to even do a search
Just my personal opinion....
I've only been here for a few months and I have to say, I've seen more useless threads then ever before! Now, don't get me wrong, I love to help, and do all the time, but at some point, you see a junior on their first post asking something like, "How do I uninstall an app?", or "How do I turn the phone off?" So at some point of seeing these threads, someone will be a bit frustrated and point them to the search and wiki fetaures located on the top bar instead of a full answer. I fully understand your point, but like I said, these members who join just for a simple answer then after 10 minutes ask why nobody is helping can aggrivate all of us users who come here for new information on a daily basis. Especially when they start a thread, get an answer, and never return.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404065
Now in this post, this user was looking for a specific dialer, and of course it's impoosible to search for an image, but I did help. Actually at first, I was a bit mad at the fact they posted the image, but didn't ask in the thread they got the photo from, then realized the image wasn't from here. But after I saw that, I tried to give some info on it, but I can't spend time looking for something they want, but I can help, so I did.
I think I'm done typing , but I'll say this, when I first joined, actually being my first forum, I had a bunch of questions, I didn't feel a need to post a thread for one simple question. I actually spent about a week after work searching and going through a bunch of pages looking for info, and I found a lot!
Also, a suggestion, I asked this in the SPAM thread, how about putting a block on junior users poting new threads? It would prevent SPAM and these simple question threads.
It seems that mods and Admin are strangely silent regarding this topic......wonder why..
I don't think they aren't responding for any unknown reason, this topic has been discussed so many times, there is no interest in tackling this issue anymore.
Just wanted to say that F2504x4 put the problem very articulately and I totally agree with him. Pointing out a mistake (such as not using the search facility) need not be done in a rude and dismissive way.
I will just remind us that we were all noobs one day, and also that some people are more technically minded than others. What may seem to us a simple and trivial question is obviously not so for the one asking it.
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I don't think they aren't responding for any unknown reason, this topic has been discussed so many times, there is no interest in tackling this issue anymore.
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They should be taking a interest in this.....if they are becoming numb to it , then they need to take a hard look at why they are a moderator, Sorry if this sounds harsh . Moderators are the leaders that others look to for guidance, they help set the tone of the community.
This is a great site, with a lot of great talent , but it will not take long before it becomes over shadowed with a darker side.
Continued growth is key to any forum and community , and running off new comers with not help with that.
Fact is you will always have newbs ignoring stickies and search engines , nothing will ever change that.
All this site can do is maintain a positive atmosphere , and continuing education to those that join .
So i ask again , what say you Admin and mods ?
Thank you pedmond for this , very well put.
I will just remind us that we were all noobs one day, and also that some people are more technically minded than others. What may seem to us a simple and trivial question is obviously not so for the one asking it.
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It seems that mods and Admin are strangely silent regarding this topic......wonder why..
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Don't really think the issue is with Mods and Admin. I do see a lot of evidence of them cleaning up threads if they're getting out of hand and sorting out users that are really getting obnoxious. But the problem seems to be that certain people feel their post count is a license to have a go at the newer members. And certain new members seem to think the world is their private helpdesk and that the purpose of these forums is to instantly deal with their every need. Well in any large group you'll always get those that are unpleasant to deal with - that's life. There are just as many, maybe more, who're a real pleasure to deal with and try their best to help. I think if new members read the forum rules and were prepared to lurk a bit before posting, then they'd quickly get an idea of what types of questions to ask and how to get help.
So while I personally totally agree with your views on decent behaviour etc I don't think its an issue to get wound up about. If you can filter out some of the fluff, this site is still the best resource for our phones by far.
(But I've only got about 80 posts, so maybe I'll change my mind when I hit 100! )
What are the Mods/Admins supposed to do? Ban every user?
I often tell people to search for things when they have one post, and have a very stupid question with a blatant answer. When they do that, they don't deserve to be treated with a great amount of respect.
When someone who has evidently searched around, and has clearly tried to solve their own problems and then as a last resort asks for help, I'm far more inclined to be generous with my time, and try to help them.
Some people are obnoxious and post without searching at all, but the admins/mods can't go and ban people because they were once an idiot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2360488&posted=1#post2360488
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What are the Mods/Admins supposed to do? Ban every user?
I often tell people to search for things when they have one post, and have a very stupid question with a blatant answer. When they do that, they don't deserve to be treated with a great amount of respect.
When someone who has evidently searched around, and has clearly tried to solve their own problems and then as a last resort asks for help, I'm far more inclined to be generous with my time, and try to help them.
Some people are obnoxious and post without searching at all, but the admins/mods can't go and ban people because they were once an idiot.
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Wow what a way to start off a reply Ban every user ?
I think you should re read what has been stated, I did not hint or say ban anyone..but if that is what it takes to effect a change then maybe it should be considered but it should be directed at those that are creating a un-friendly and less then helpful place . IMO
First off I have no problem with someone being told to search, its how they are being told and some of the un-called for comments that are becoming more and more common and is the real problem, go read the example I posted earlier.
what do you consider a worthy response in this thread ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404065
As to the stupid questions , Idiots and respect, ahhh I thinks its way past beer thirty .
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. But the problem seems to be that certain people feel their post count is a license to have a go at the newer members.
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while I agree with a lot of what you said, In the example I gave , its even the low post count members that are posting these less then helpful responses, so that is telling me that this a is trend that is spreading and the bad thing is that a mod even replied in the thread, and did nothing about the response given, they only quoted part of my reply about searching.... ( I am still wondering why...)
Btw I only started this thread after a lot of reading and seeing this trend become more common place.
It's not about being against Noobies...
Too many come here from other sites for the wrong reason. Many of the questions that get jumped, closed & merged really should have been asked at the AT&T or other carrier support forums.
I'll quote this post of mine:
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
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Good post and very worthwhile reading kyphur,
and I understand clearly why it was written.
Just be aware of this trend and its long term results...
Btw I have walked in Mod shoes , and understand the inner workings of forums, and it is no easy task managing a community.
Thanks for posting that.
There is no automatic weather update in manila 2.5.19211... I have ticked the "download data automatically". I have also selected every one hr. but updates seems to happen only when manually going to the weather page or tab. I am using udk Leo R7.
joe mboule said:
There is no automatic weather update in manila 2.5.19211... I have ticked the "download data automatically". I have also selected every one hr. but updates seems to happen only when manually going to the weather page or tab. I am using udk Leo R7.
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Then ASK in the thread of udK. Don't open new threads for simple things like this.
Post in right thread.
Don't open new threads if not really necessary.
Read and use the search-button.
And don't forget Google...
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Then ASK in the thread of udK. Don't open new threads for simple things like this.
Post in right thread.
Don't open new threads if not really necessary.
Read and use the search-button.
And don't forget Google...
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Hi. Ok, i have recently seen various post where people are asking for help about a partiqular issue. Yet all the the time, u have been either rude or cockey and totally demotivating.
I can understand your fustration that some people may have not used the search function,have posted in the wrong thread, or ultimatley have started a new thread, but i feel that is not the way to respond. y dont u just point them to the right direction in a more friendly way?
we were all a newbie once...(well i still am Lol!!)
I hope u dont take it the wrong way, but i personally wouldnt like it if someone responded like that. As a senior member, we look up to you guys to try and help us and or point us to the right direction.
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Hi. Ok, i have recently seen various post where people are asking for help about a partiqular issue. Yet all the the time, u have been either rude or cockey and totally demotivating.
I can understand your fustration that some people may have not used the search function,have posted in the wrong thread, or ultimatley have started a new thread, but i feel that is not the way to respond. y dont u just point them to the right direction in a more friendly way?
we were all a newbie once...(well i still am Lol!!)
I hope u dont take it the wrong way, but i personally wouldnt like it if someone responded like that. As a senior member, we look up to you guys to try and help us and or point us to the right direction.
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Thanks to all who don't use search and open directly a new thread, it is more difficult to find something for the searching people (like me), because you get a huge number of hits with irrelevant threads... Get it?
I don't want to demotivate but motivate to search and read. When you give directly a helping link, they stay doing it.
Seeing every time new opened threads from newbies with every time the same silly questions, that's very demotivating for us, the people who supposed to help you. And that's what you'r looking for here, somebody who wants to help you. We don't have to do it, but we like it because this forum is a bit like a hobby for us.
So, we can shoose, saying nothing more or trying to teach you how a forum works. I prefer the last thing... And if somebody like me (the bad one) point you in the right direction, it's not for beeing bad, but for getting a better usefull forum. You can see in my posthistory that it's really multiple times a day that new useless threads were opened...
Normally it's a work for the moderators, but they also have a live and can not be always here, because also them are doing this as a hobby. Be all glad that I don't be one of them or it was the same comment and also closing the thread directly.
I take some time for this post because I can quote him for futur use when I get comments again from not-readers, not-searchers, new-post-openers and silly-question-posters...
If you have really followed my posts, you know that I help a lot when the rules are followed a bit...
And do you know why I can help others? Because I read a lot...
I am using UDK R7, I get the updates,.. have you tried a hard reset see if that sorts it out...
Sorry that i posted to wrong section. I thought it was a problem with Sense and not the rom, reason being my posting to this section. I think hard resetting would be extreme. Will search and see if anything comes up.
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Thanks to all who don't use search and open directly a new thread, it is more difficult to find something for the searching people (like me), because you get a huge number of hits with irrelevant threads... Get it?
I don't want to demotivate but motivate to search and read. When you give directly a helping link, they stay doing it.
Seeing every time new opened threads from newbies with every time the same silly questions, that's very demotivating for us, the people who supposed to help you. And that's what you'r looking for here, somebody who wants to help you. We don't have to do it, but we like it because this forum is a bit like a hobby for us.
So, we can shoose, saying nothing more or trying to teach you how a forum works. I prefer the last thing... And if somebody like me (the bad one) point you in the right direction, it's not for beeing bad, but for getting a better usefull forum. You can see in my posthistory that it's really multiple times a day that new useless threads were opened...
Normally it's a work for the moderators, but they also have a live and can not be always here, because also them are doing this as a hobby. Be all glad that I don't be one of them or it was the same comment and also closing the thread directly.
I take some time for this post because I can quote him for futur use when I get comments again from not-readers, not-searchers, new-post-openers and silly-question-posters...
If you have really followed my posts, you know that I help a lot when the rules are followed a bit...
And do you know why I can help others? Because I read a lot...
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I understand bro, all i was getting at was just try to put it in a nicer way,thats all. regarding "silly" posts or questions, yeah, i have seen some VERY silly questions and i think to myself "the human stupidity IS infinite"! and i understand that it is coz of those posts/questions, ppl can get fustrated as it does clutter the forum.
I know you have helped alot of ppl, continue to do so.
i admit i personally havnt had alot of input in the forum as i still am a newbie, and anytime i have thought of answering a question, i fall back thinking if i am giving the right or wrong answer as i dont wanna make a fool out of myelf just being honest bro.
I'm 40, have been coding sites since 94 and consider myself a geek...
I realize I am also a noob and as such am humble and afraid to piss off TPTB.
So... here's what you may consider a dumb question but I hope you answer it:
How the hell do you thank someone for their post? I'm not seeing something that looks like a "Thank You" button. Sure, I can post "Thanks" as a quick reply.. but I'm thinking that when you are referring to saying thanks in the funny welcome noobs video and having a thank meter you were not going in the direction of "post a thank you message and make this thread 10000x times longer than it should be"
Thanks,
Chris
well first off make sure that you are logged in
secondly, try to hit 10 posts. you can some more privileges at 10 posts, one of which is the ability to post in the development sections
Thanks. Didn't know that about the dev forums.
When I saw your response, I saw the Thanks button come up so I know I can at least see it and am not just "out of it".
Perhaps a noob forum would be ok to have? I know... I know... you deal with us enough as it is...Just saying...
Thank you again and I look forward to being part of the community (and maybe be able to add something of minor value)
Also the 'Thanks' button will only show if you use the new forum look, (Default), rather than the 'Classic' theme.
I have the same problem.
I have the same problem, guys. However, I feel its really quite silly, in a sense, 'cos I've been on XDA for ages now, but I've never had any reason, nor the ability in some cases (Dev threads) to post. I mean, now, I find myself in a position where I really need some dev help on a thread, but I can't ask them cos of this restriction.
And what option does this leave me with?
1. Spam the first 10 posts!
2. Forget about it.
IMO, this restriction defeats the purpose of a support community.
Unless that isn't the goal of XDA. But then, i'm sure they have their reasons...
Hi!
i have same problem.
i have some issue, and need to tell that to developer, but i can't because i don't have 10 posts :S
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Hi!
i have same problem.
i have some issue, and need to tell that to developer, but i can't because i don't have 10 posts :S
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PM the dev or make a topic asking for help if you need help, or post around.
i could post to the dev-section&thanking whitout 10 post, but someone has thanked me before that, so mabye this is the trick
I know I know...... Well I just rooted using Revolutionary and during the process I was following I noticed that it never let me say yes to clockwork recovery. I have root access I did check that. Now I downloaded the Rom manager and it says I need to flash the clockwork to flash a rom. Should I flash it there or unroot with Revolutionary and try rooting again?
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hello and welcome. i would engage you in a different language, but considering you typed in english, i will stick with english. moving a long... we are a very family oriented community and greatly enjoy helping new comers find their way around and answer questions they may have. you are more then welcome to ask a question whenever you like and even if it's something that may seem silly... don't worry, it is always our pleasure to help.
now, to get right to it. you asked about the installation of clockworkmod recovery. excellent! to answer your question, you can indeed install it through rom manager. you will find rom manager to be most helpful to you. a top choice application! so that being said, it is not necessary to repeat your previous steps.
I hope you found this response enlightening and of course, helpful as I like to say. feel free to ask a question again(soon!)
regards,
voxigenboy
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hello and welcome. i would engage you in a different language, but considering you typed in english, i will stick with english. moving a long... we are a very family oriented community and greatly enjoy helping new comers find their way around and answer questions they may have. you are more then welcome to ask a question whenever you like and even if it's something that may seem silly... don't worry, it is always our pleasure to help.
now, to get right to it. you asked about the installation of clockworkmod recovery. excellent! to answer your question, you can indeed install it through rom manager. you will find rom manager to be most helpful to you. a top choice application! so that being said, it is not necessary to repeat your previous steps.
I hope you found this response enlightening and of course, helpful as I like to say. feel free to ask a question again(soon!)
regards,
voxigenboy
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Your laying on the scarasm pretty thick, LOL. You can flash a custom CWM in hboot, Google is your friend it is also in development section. If you didn't do about a week of reading and research before you did this better catch on on reading now we like to answer harder questions not the same just rooted ones each day. Ones that can be searched for. I just rooted Droid inc and Droid inc 2 in last two days and both require different older methods with downgrades before root and s-off and I didnt ask for any help. Hell the ADB method for thunderbolt needed a downgrade and upgrade....Search, read, read, and read again before you do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179386
There is thread for CWM to flash in hboot.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
To put it simply... Yes just flash it through rom manager. It will ask for suoeruser access rights. Just hit allow and then let it do its thing.
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Your laying on the scarasm pretty thick, LOL. You can flash a custom CWM in hboot, Google is your friend it is also in development section. If you didn't do about a week of reading and research before you did this better catch on on reading now we like to answer harder questions not the same just rooted ones each day. Ones that can be searched for. I just rooted Droid inc and Droid inc 2 in last two days and both require different older methods with downgrades before root and s-off and I didnt ask for any help. Hell the ADB method for thunderbolt needed a downgrade and upgrade....Search, read, read, and read again before you do.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
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In regards to this post - there are others of us here that actually do like helping out new people. I for one don't care how many time "the new guy" asks the same old question. The reason I feel that way is bc I also have questions that need answering.
So try not to be discouraged by the way some people respond to you. It can be disheartening - but there are some great and helpful people on XDA.
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In regards to this post - there are others of us here that actually do like helping out new people. I for one don't care how many time "the new guy" asks the same old question. The reason I feel that way is bc I also have questions that need answering.
So try not to be discouraged by the way some people respond to you. It can be disheartening - but there are some great and helpful people on XDA.
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Oh trust me I still run into my brick walls around here, but to answer the same I got this phone how do I root it, everyday would be like writing up a nice q&a for new people to follow. Wait there is one and no one follows it. I will leave those questions up to you, and i did help him by showing him how to flash recovery in hboot which is way more educational than using Rom manager. I was new here too not long ago less than a few months but you have to read, jump in, I read for a month about rooting, radios, flashing, what could happen before I rooted....people who just root and come expecting someone to show them how to do everything.....yea you can keep that.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
Thanks for all your information no matter how many times you guys have to answer them. I have read up on rooting long before I did root. I was one of those people that waited patiently for HTC or Big Red to improve these devices. To my misery and 3 phones latter I decided to root. Now for my next question if you guys don't mind..... Lol. Once I flash a rom from rom manager or from a downloaded, is it just that simple to flash another rom or are there certain steps? One more.... How do I go back to my original setup if I wanted to? Again thank you for all of your help.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220484
Read up there start from 1 and read till end that will answer all basic questions.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
The RULES state you search before posting a repetitive thread. It wastes space and makes searching for an answer more of a pain in the ass. That said, I'm going to point that out to every new guy and kindly ask laziness be checked at the sign-in.
Keep the simple questions coming
The thread police are out in full force again. Keeping asking questions. Keep posting new threads if you have to. These ball breaking jaggs are just as guilty but feel like they are of some significant importance here because in real life they are invisible to the world. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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The thread police are out in full force again. Keeping asking questions. Keep posting new threads if you have to. These ball breaking jaggs are just as guilty but feel like they are of some significant importance here because in real life they are invisible to the world. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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No its people like you that clutter the thread, I answered or pointed him in the right direction both of my post. You have nothing to offer in this thread stay off of it. Why not offer him some advice instead of just saying keep asking. You my fellow rooter my be just as invisible online as well as real life, so sad.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
Said the person who has to beg to be thanked to make himself feel important. LMAO
snicklet said:
Said the person who has to beg to be thanked to make himself feel important. LMAO
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I don't beg for anything, its part of my signiture, it a reminder that while people always say thanks for the help more than 50% of the time never hit the thank you button. Once again another person saying something in a forum having nothing at all to do with the subject, I guess that is how you feel important agreeing with another newbie.
Edit: nvm I just read some of your past post, now that made me laugh you never helped anyone. Your post are made up of one liners and "why did you".....followed by something not helpful to OP or thread. Thanks for the laugh.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
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The thread police are out in full force again. Keeping asking questions. Keep posting new threads if you have to. These ball breaking jaggs are just as guilty but feel like they are of some significant importance here because in real life they are invisible to the world. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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Do me a favor and read every one of my posts. It's not exactly a procession of mindless, impulsive questions that are repeats of something posted 25 times before. In fact, the posts that are repetitive are the posts that answer the SAME questions over and over again! I think we're all entitled to point out stupid and lazy when we see it, as well as the FACT searching the threads before posting is a RULE (not optional). When you're too stupid or too lazy or too self-important to follow rules, expect the rudeness you get. My thread is the PERFECT place for "stupid" questions and it's monitored by myself and a few others quite regularly. If you post a question there, it gets answered FAST and politely. I'm not doing this as a favor to myself. I'm doing it as a favor to the community. Maybe you should try contributing something more than encouragement of stupid.
However you feel justifying berating someone from the comfort and security behind your keyboard. The rules also say to respect other members of the community but you ignore the rules that you don't feel apply to you. Your hypocritical behavior is hilarious. You could easily answer (or not answer) a question that you feel is redundant without hammering the crap out of someone who is most likely new and not try and make them feel like an idiot for asking.
You can hammer away at me all you want because I know the source of the comments are from a person who is of no significance to me. But there are other new members of the forums who might feel slighted by your behavior and not feel comfortable interacting on the forums after they have been slammed by a self righteous jerk who has to build himself up in his alternative virtual world because the real world is too real for him.
I'm sure you will have an idiotic response to this because you can't go on without having the last word and can't just let it go. Regardless, after the response I'm sure you will have, I will not respond to show that a person can move on and not have to continue to respond to the idiotic rants of a self absorbed person living behind a keyboard just so they can have the last word.
I encourage all new persons to the forum to feel free to continue to ask questions and participate while ignoring those that feel they have to make you feel dumb.
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However you feel justifying berating someone from the comfort and security behind your keyboard. The rules also say to respect other members of the community but you ignore the rules that you don't feel apply to you. Your hypocritical behavior is hilarious. You could easily answer (or not answer) a question that you feel is redundant without hammering the crap out of someone who is most likely new and not try and make them feel like an idiot for asking.
You can hammer away at me all you want because I know the source of the comments are from a person who is of no significance to me. But there are other new members of the forums who might feel slighted by your behavior and not feel comfortable interacting on the forums after they have been slammed by a self righteous jerk who has to build himself up in his alternative virtual world because the real world is too real for him.
I'm sure you will have an idiotic response to this because you can't go on without having the last word and can't just let it go. Regardless, after the response I'm sure you will have, I will not respond to show that a person can move on and not have to continue to respond to the idiotic rants of a self absorbed person living behind a keyboard just so they can have the last word.
I encourage all new persons to the forum to feel free to continue to ask questions and participate while ignoring those that feel they have to make you feel dumb.
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What I don't understand is people like you encourage new people to break the rules, clutter the threads or start unnecessary ones while you yourself do not bother to try to help these people either. Look at my posts and tell me I don't try to help people with REAL problems I have not seen posted.....please point out I am being a jerk to every new person that comes on. Read up and you need to step up to help these new people questions don't leave it up to everyone else to answer if you are telling them to keep asking the same questions over and over.
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Guys (New Members, et. al.)
I'm seeing another upsurge of people posting questions or starting new threads for help, and after a Member provides useful responses, those who posted asking for help are just responding back with a written "Thank You".
Here's a reference:
ORIGINALLY POSTED DECEMBER 10, 2010 AT 12:47 PM
"At XDA, we have a large number of users that work tirelessly to provide the community with great ROMs, software, advice, and support, and they often do it asking nothing in return except for the occasional donation. Often times it’s reasonable to add a “thanks” in a reply if someone did great work. Trouble is, posts that say “thanks” can quickly clog up a thread and detract from the more in-depth conversation that is going on.
XDA has rolled out an interesting new feature on the XDA Forums: the Thanks button, and the Thanks meter. Allow us to explain how it works. Quite simply, if you appreciate someone’s post, give them a Thanks by using the button near Quote. Each user is limited to eight Thanks per day, and you cannot undo a Thanks, so only reserve your Thanks for when you really mean it. There are several features in place to prevent people from taking advantage of the system (for example, you cannot Thanks yourself)."
I've covered this already in my guide thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857631
[GUIDE] How To Be A New Member, Not A NØØB
The first paragraph I quoted is the one I'd like all of you New Members (and some others that have been here long enough to know this) to focus on and understand. So, going forward, if someone helps you, click that Member's thanks button. It takes far less time than typing out a written 'thanks for_____' and is far more appreciated for the time spent with you to address your concerns and bring some resolution to your issues. And, as mentioned above, it keeps threads uncluttered with useless written "Thank you" posts, allowing the concentration left to the topic of the thread itself. The Thanks Button is here for that reason, so please start using it accordingly.
Thanks,
Apex
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-Motorola Ballistic Missile
Geez, I was just about to post something of the same subject matter. You know what they say about two great minds apex!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium
sometimes i feel like the atrix 2 needs its own off-topic subforum...
gratz on the green name btw
Understand, selecting the "Thanks" button is not obligatory.Yes, it's nice to select when a person solved your issue, or something works, or just in general appreciation.
It is not "mandatory" to do so.
However, when a lot of people help, and give good advice, it is customary to hit the "thanks" button. This is all the people have, to look forward to. No, there is no reward for a certain number of thanks. It's just a small gesture.
Otherwise, people will just stop helping.
I for one, always hit thanks. And.... I always donate to the Dev's. You throw a good rom out there, hey, you deserve something. You throw a good kernel, or a root process, hey. Same thing.
Without these folks, you all have nothing.
So if you have to hit the "Thanks" button, it's the least you can do.
This Thread is closed, but will stay to serve as a reminder.
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