Hi!
I'm surprised, nobody asked this already, at least I haven't found it:
Is there a way of flashing/upgrading my GT-S8500 phone a custom firmware/newer stock firmware using linux?
I know, s1 have to use multiloader for flashing, and it's windows only, but maybe some expert can tell me, if there's some alternative, even if it's harder/longer, way of reproducing what multiloader is doing, in linux. Thx in advance!
konrad.lorenz said:
Hi!
I'm surprised, nobody asked this already, at least I haven't found it:
Is there a way of flashing/upgrading my GT-S8500 phone a custom firmware/newer stock firmware using linux?
I know, s1 have to use multiloader for flashing, and it's windows only, but maybe some expert can tell me, if there's some alternative, even if it's harder/longer, way of reproducing what multiloader is doing, in linux. Thx in advance!
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What exactly are you trying to do. I'm not familiar with the s1 and it's 'multiloader'. Are you referring to dual booting? Sorry if i'm missing your question completely. Some of us at ArcDatum do embedded systems research with ARM boards and have various multibooting devices booting anything from basic stock android stuff to gentoo/arch linux distros both separately and in dual booting environments. We use dev boards like the BeagleBoard and Pandaboards.
If you're trying to flash something weird onto ur phone though, chances are you can't or shouldn't. The only reason why it's safe for us to do it with the dev boards is because the System on a Chip is configured (by pulling specific pins high or low) to boot from the SD card and read the bootloader from there. In the case of most phones, you have locked bootloaders and no way to change that without risking destroying your boot process.
I'm trying to upgrade the factory system of my phone to a newer factory one, or to turkocfw (at first try, i'd be happy with the factory one).
Basically this is done through Kies -but thats windows only- or Multiloader -which is also windows only-, but my laptop has linux on it. I want to know, if there is a way, if I can manually do on linux, what kies and multiloader does on windows.
ArcDatum said:
What exactly are you trying to do. I'm not familiar with the s1 and it's 'multiloader'. Are you referring to dual booting? Sorry if i'm missing your question completely. Some of us at ArcDatum do embedded systems research with ARM boards and have various multibooting devices booting anything from basic stock android stuff to gentoo/arch linux distros both separately and in dual booting environments. We use dev boards like the BeagleBoard and Pandaboards.
If you're trying to flash something weird onto ur phone though, chances are you can't or shouldn't. The only reason why it's safe for us to do it with the dev boards is because the System on a Chip is configured (by pulling specific pins high or low) to boot from the SD card and read the bootloader from there. In the case of most phones, you have locked bootloaders and no way to change that without risking destroying your boot process.
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Anyone?
That sounds a bit odd..I still dont quite understand how linux comes into play here. All the phones I've had deliver official Samsung updates over the air. Have you tried upgrading directly from ur phone?
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It should work under Wine or in a Virtual Machine. If you don't know what these are, you can easily Google them up. A basic concept
Also, for S8500 I would like to recommend http://darkforestgroup.com/forum/ a decent forum for all those older Samsung handsets.
Thats a good point. I havent used wine In a while. Although Id be careful of that, u kno, with the magic wine stuff that they pull off. Might cause some issues and risk ur phone
Edit: vm on the other hand id be more comfortable with
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ArcDatum said:
I still dont quite understand how linux comes into play here.
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That's the operating system of my notebook. I want to use that computer for upgrading/flashing my phone.
ArcDatum said:
All the phones I've had deliver official Samsung updates over the air. Have you tried upgrading directly from ur phone?
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Yes, but the function is 'defect by design', it is FUBAR, that function doesn't work (not only for me, it doesn't work for anyone using the same system on their phone (bada1.2)). I don't know, if it is working on bada 2.0, because I can't upgrade it.
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It should work under Wine or in a Virtual Machine.
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It should, but looks like it doesn't. Wherever I've looked (looks like I cannot post outside links to prove my point, sorry :S), I've found the same advice: "Don't use Kies in a VM!"
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Also, for S8500 I would like to recommend darkforestgroup.com/forum/
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Thanx, I had a look at there, but didn't see anything related
So, the question remains the same, if anyone knows, how (exactly) multiloader works, and that working can be reproduced on linux (without multiloader)...
Or can this be achieved using Heimdall?
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konrad.lorenz said:
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I would like to know if it is possible as well. Otherwise I might test it, but I'm afraid to break my phone
working on Virtualbox
autra said:
I would like to know if it is possible as well. Otherwise I might test it, but I'm afraid to break my phone
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Ok, I can confirm it works using VirtualBox and Win7... No particular things to know, just follow the step as you would do on Windows !
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Is it possible to replace Android Ice-cream Sandwich with a linux/Ubuntu OS on an Asus Tablet?
Or is it best to wait a couple of years before trying this?
the lemming said:
Is it possible to replace Android Ice-cream Sandwich with a linux/Ubuntu OS on an Asus Tablet?
Or is it best to wait a couple of years before trying this?
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See my sig for my linuxonandroid project which is a great way to get Ubuntu running without removing android
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zacsthepack, I will also definitely give your linuxonandroid a shot if I ever manage to snag myself a tablet.. Would love to try Ubuntu on a tablet, I would try it on my phone but personally I think that would just be silly, since my phone isn't all that big
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Anybody given the Ubuntu ARM version a try?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall
Before attempting an install of Ubuntu, how would I back up my entire Android hard drive in case anything goes t1ts-up and I need to revert everything back to factory quality settings?
Cheers
observation
the lemming said:
Anybody given the Ubuntu ARM version a try?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall
Before attempting an install of Ubuntu, how would I back up my entire Android hard drive in case anything goes t1ts-up and I need to revert everything back to factory quality settings?
Cheers
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I could be mistaken here but it seems the point of the linuxonandroid project is so you can enjoy the functionality of the ubuntu OS without needing to do the steps you are talking about (backing up everything and nuking the OS).
Thebeast715 said:
I could be mistaken here but it seems the point of the linuxonandroid project is so you can enjoy the functionality of the ubuntu OS without needing to do the steps you are talking about (backing up everything and nuking the OS).
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bingo, android is not effected in any way (ok well a loop device is created but thats it) theres no chance of damage to your device and to uninstall you just delete the image file
From what I've seen, Ubuntu is actually working on a port for Android. Other than that, I'm not absolutely sure, but going by a completely uneducated guess, I'd say it's entirely possible because of Android's Linux-based core.
Hi guys,
I have a TF300T on 4.1.1, I was looking into dual booting with ubuntu & found out I needed an NVFlashable rom, then I found here I needed pre-JB. I had flashed roms before except I flashed back to stock (latest on asus website around 12/14/12) to use my cable providers TV application.
Which gave me the idea of flashing back to pre-jb...(would that even work...?) **I know that JB would update something other then the kernel (though I wouldnt know what since its not a phone and doesnt have basebands for each OS ver, unless it does....)
Either way, if any of you are using a TF300T dualbooted like the TF101 any information would help! Guide links, etc...anything that can be done via PC or MAC.
It would be great to do this as soon as possible as its a laptop replacement for class,
Thanks!
-Lilli
nxneko said:
Hi guys,
I have a TF300T on 4.1.1, I was looking into dual booting with ubuntu & found out I needed an NVFlashable rom, then I found here I needed pre-JB. I had flashed roms before except I flashed back to stock (latest on asus website around 12/14/12) to use my cable providers TV application.
Which gave me the idea of flashing back to pre-jb...(would that even work...?) **I know that JB would update something other then the kernel (though I wouldnt know what since its not a phone and doesnt have basebands for each OS ver, unless it does....)
Either way, if any of you are using a TF300T dualbooted like the TF101 any information would help! Guide links, etc...anything that can be done via PC or MAC.
It would be great to do this as soon as possible as its a laptop replacement for class,
Thanks!
-Lilli
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At this time you can't go backward from JB unless you had installed Nvflash and made the proper backups while still on ICS. It has been tried many times and many ways.
There is an arch linux in the developer section (dual boot). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1918849
You have to unlock your tablet to use it. When you unlock you give up your warranty and support from Asus.
I have not tried Arch for sometime. When I tried in the past I was not pleased, my normal operating system (on my pc) is Ubuntu 11.10.
Good Luck!
tobdaryl said:
At this time you can't go backward from JB unless you had installed Nvflash and made the proper backups while still on ICS. It has been tried many times and many ways.
There is an arch linux in the developer section (dual boot). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1918849
You have to unlock your tablet to use it. When you unlock you give up your warranty and support from Asus.
I have not tried Arch for sometime. When I tried in the past I was not pleased, my normal operating system (on my pc) is Ubuntu 11.10.
Good Luck!
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Its unfortunate, as long as arch is not bloated and clean...I suppose it might be fine. I couldn't stick to ICS even if I wanted to as my pad came with JB installed (White model; September).
nxneko said:
Its unfortunate, as long as arch is not bloated and clean...I suppose it might be fine. I couldn't stick to ICS even if I wanted to as my pad came with JB installed (White model; September).
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I suggest you read carefully the arch linux thread. I still don't find it a daily answer.
What do you wish to accomplish with your tablet that stock dosen't allow?
tobdaryl said:
I suggest you read carefully the arch linux thread. I still don't find it a daily answer.
What do you wish to accomplish with your tablet that stock dosen't allow?
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Simple things such as accessing steam & keeping up with my server nodes *Viewing information, Status, Etc (which I haven't found an app for that is not complete garbage) Theres stuff like connectbot for ssh & telnet but not what I need. Might just have to end up selling tablet for a cheap laptop or something.
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Simple things such as accessing steam & keeping up with my server nodes *Viewing information, Status, Etc (which I haven't found an app for that is not complete garbage) Theres stuff like connectbot for ssh & telnet but not what I need. Might just have to end up selling tablet for a cheap laptop or something.
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You have found an area that is certainly lacking.
Macbook Air 13 inch, maybe?
I'm sorry I couldn't help.
Good Luck!
tobdaryl said:
You have found an area that is certainly lacking.
Macbook Air 13 inch, maybe?
I'm sorry I couldn't help.
Good Luck!
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I could... part of it is via python but rest is for linux
nxneko said:
I could... part of it is via python but rest is for linux
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As luck would have it I am running a 13 inch Macbook Air.
I run Ubuntu 11.10 on the internal sdd and have OSX 10.6 and OSX 10.7 on external usb drives.
To get the fans to operate properly download the mac 64bit version and you should be good.
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/
Battery life is not as quite good as on OSX but respectable.
Maybe this will help.
Is it possible to do a bare device install of the android OS? Something similar to doing bare hard drive install of an OS to a computer?
Thanks.
caffewmilk said:
Is it possible to do a bare device install of the android OS? Something similar to doing bare hard drive install of an OS to a computer?
Thanks.
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What are you trying to do? flash Android on a blank emmc?
arm devices don't have BIOS or UEFI. Most of the bootloaders on production runs of phones are very locked down. Samsung phones need either download mode or a recovery to flash a os. If you don't have either you would need to use the JTAG to flash everything on the emmc but that's a lot of work and there's not really any publicly accessible tools for the full processes.
caffewmilk said:
Is it possible to do a bare device install of the android OS? Something similar to doing bare hard drive install of an OS to a computer?
Thanks.
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lart2150 said:
What are you trying to do? flash Android on a blank emmc?
arm devices don't have BIOS or UEFI. Most of the bootloaders on production runs of phones are very locked down. Samsung phones need either download mode or a recovery to flash a os. If you don't have either you would need to use the JTAG to flash everything on the emmc but that's a lot of work and there's not really any publicly accessible tools for the full processes.
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I think he wants a stripped down os, no extra apps/bloatware and just enough to boot the phone, idk, a few users asked if I could make a real lite version just for playing music but never got around to it
:good:
I was just curious about it. I was thinking maybe there was something out there for android phones like Linux From Scratch.
I've already tried vincom's SuperLite and other ROMs, though. :good:
Thanks guys.
Hello all. How are ya's today. I was wondering what I can do with my tablet. I bought it in haste really cause it was cheap. It is running android 4.0.4 The tablet itself is a HS-9DTB4 8gb hipstreet flare. It came rooted already so that is already done. What can I do with it. Can I upgrade the android or replace it with something. I would like to use it for business purposes but can't find the right apps for it I want. Any suggestions. ??
No one has ideas ??
1bigguy said:
Hello all. How are ya's today. I was wondering what I can do with my tablet. I bought it in haste really cause it was cheap. It is running android 4.0.4 The tablet itself is a HS-9DTB4 8gb hipstreet flare. It came rooted already so that is already done. What can I do with it. Can I upgrade the android or replace it with something. I would like to use it for business purposes but can't find the right apps for it I want. Any suggestions. ??
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there could be lots of things you can do with a rooted device, problem is you need a custom recovery, (for restoration and backup purposes) generic tablets like your most of the time dont get one. you can go onto the play store and just type in root and there will be a huge number of apps you can use, read the desc to make sure you meet the requirements, lots of people screw up on that.
Where would I get a custom recovery...from the people that make the device or is there a place on the play store to get it for this device. "Read the Desc"...what is that. ?? As long as I don't brick the tablet I don't really care what I do to it. I called hipstreet and they say there are no more updates for this tablet at all so either I do something or I get to use what I have forever, lol. I don't wanna do that.
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Where would I get a custom recovery...from the people that make the device or is there a place on the play store to get it for this device. "Read the Desc"...what is that. ?? As long as I don't brick the tablet I don't really care what I do to it. I called hipstreet and they say there are no more updates for this tablet at all so either I do something or I get to use what I have forever, lol. I don't wanna do that.
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Custom recovery is cwm, clockworkmod, google and see if a version exists for your device. Rooting gives superuser permission which is extremely powerful, it removes all safeguards that prevent a user from destroying their system, downloading the wrong app or pushing a wrong option can instantly brick a device, which is why custom Recovery's exist, they back up the entire system not just /data but also /system and others. If you do not know what any of this means then i would suggest not messing with root access.
And read the desc means read the description, it is the mass of words under an app in the play store or app thread that outline use, require my a, what not to do and other good stuff
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Custom recovery is cwm, clockworkmod, google and see if a version exists for your device. Rooting gives superuser permission which is extremely powerful, it removes all safeguards that prevent a user from destroying their system, downloading the wrong app or pushing a wrong option can instantly brick a device, which is why custom Recovery's exist, they back up the entire system not just /data but also /system and others. If you do not know what any of this means then i would suggest not messing with root access.
And read the desc means read the description, it is the mass of words under an app in the play store or app thread that outline use, require my a, what not to do and other good stuff
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A Custom Recovery is not CWM, CWM is one of the few Custom recovery we have, but pretty much what he said, the only way you would get a recovery is for someone to make one witch i doubt anyone has for your specific tablet.
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Custom Recovery is not CWM, CWM is one of the few Custom recovery we have, but pretty much what he said, the only way you would get a recovery is for someone to make one witch i doubt anyone has for your specific tablet.
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Cwm or twrp are the main ones, if someone says custom recovery most will say cwm, i was just trying to keep it relatively simple.
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So basically there is nothing I can do with it unless someone has made an image specifically for this device, which I to doubt anyone will do. It's not a high end tablet so there is no reason for anyone to in the first place. Is there anyway to update the existing android o/s on it or no. ??
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I actually just found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2172412
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So basically there is nothing I can do with it unless someone has made an image specifically for this device, which I to doubt anyone will do. It's not a high end tablet so there is no reason for anyone to in the first place. Is there anyway to update the existing android o/s on it or no. ??
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I actually just found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2172412
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well from the thread it looks like it might be your device, you should ask the person if its for your model only, i searched and it seems like there is a few different ones. otherwise it looks like this is what you need if its for your tablet.
Now that's just for recovery right. ?? How do I find out what else I can load onto my tablet. ??
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Now that's just for recovery right. ?? How do I find out what else I can load onto my tablet. ??
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so if you get this recovery what your going to do is make a backup so you can always restore to when you do something wrong (for safe purposes) then apps that need root will let you use them, as for the update i doubt someone made a rom aswell, if theres no recovery theres no way people have made a rom for the tablet.
Ok, So I guess I will go on a bit of a search then to see what I can find. So not just ANY rom will do. It has to be made for this specific tablet. Like I couldn't say try and load windows on it or something silly like that. ??
Correct. Regardless of anything else you can only run code that's compiled for that.machine ... and I assume you Microsoft doesn't compile Windows for that thing.
You may want to look for a different tablet that's a clone of yours. A lot of the cheap tablets share hardware designs and are identical inside.
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Correct. Regardless of anything else you can only run code that's compiled for that.machine ... and I assume you Microsoft doesn't compile Windows for that thing.
You may want to look for a different tablet that's a clone of yours. A lot of the cheap tablets share hardware designs and are identical inside.
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So I should be looking more at what hardware it has in it to figure out a rom for it. ??
Hello, I just got a new phone. It's probably my first actual phone in many years, as I'm mostly a PC kind of guy. I have been having trouble getting it booted for a while now. Someone informed me that it might be an Axia phone from AT&T, but I don't know the validity of that. It says Q-Innovations every time I use it on Google stuff. Does anyone here know of the phone or know how to boot one?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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Hello, I just got a new phone. It's probably my first actual phone in many years, as I'm mostly a PC kind of guy. I have been having trouble getting it booted for a while now. Someone informed me that it might be an Axia phone from AT&T, but I don't know the validity of that. It says Q-Innovations every time I use it on Google stuff. Does anyone here know of the phone or know how to boot one?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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The model number seems to be the AT&T version of that phone.
When you say that you can't get it booted, what do you mean exactly? What is the device doing when you try to boot it?
Have you tried holding volume up+power(let go when you see the splash screen) to boot into recovery, then factory reset and wipe cache partition?
Some devices have to hold volume down+power, then at the bootloader menu, choose the recovery option.
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What do you mean? I didn't think it was that easy to boot a phone? I wanted to put Linux on my phone instead of the current android version or even put them both on there.
CamShirayuki said:
What do you mean? I didn't think it was that easy to boot a phone? I wanted to put Linux on my phone instead of the current android version or even put them both on there.
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I think you need to do some research to get familiar with how android devices actually work. Android devices are not like PC, you can't just install whatever OS you want, android devices are not "generic" like that. Operating systems for android devices have to be built specifically based on the hardware in the device, down to the kernel level, the kernel has to be specific to the device. You need to do some reading about how android stock recovery and custom recovery actually work , you also need to research how android stock firmware and custom operating systems are flashed on android devices.
It is "possible" to remove android and install Linux on an android device, but only certain devices can do it, depending on the security built-in to the bootloader that is installed on the device. There isn't a universal way to install Linux on android.
It is also possible to install Linux on top of android in a sort of emulator/VM then use a VNC to .
There are some apps to install linux on top of android, such as:
1) Linux Deploy
2) Complete Linux installer
3) UserLAnd
I installed and tested UserLAnd last night. Try this and see what you think.
https://github.com/CypherpunkArmory/UserLAnd
View the README.md for instuctions to set it up.
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