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[Q] TF Charging Indicator?

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered - the XDA Search has been down for the past couple of hours and I just want to be sure I'm not missing anything here..
From what I can see in the reviews, the TF does *not* have any sort of charging indicator / LED on it - correct? I read that there will be one on the keyboard dock - but there is not one on the tablet.
So what are you guys doing? Just plugging it in and letting it sit overnight to give it its full charge - and then going by the battery indicator when you turn it on?
I've got my new TF sitting next to me here, and I'm trying to be a good dad to it by charging it up first before using it - but not having any sort of an indicator on it - I have no idea if it's doing anything or not!!!
Screw it - I think I"m gonna unplug it and start futzing it with it! Battery be damned!!
btw - damn this charge cable is SHORT!!

No charging LED that I can see on mine, and yea, I hate this stupid charging cable, guess you can always get a USB extension cable.
pogul said:
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered - the XDA Search has been down for the past couple of hours and I just want to be sure I'm not missing anything here..
From what I can see in the reviews, the TF does *not* have any sort of charging indicator / LED on it - correct? I read that there will be one on the keyboard dock - but there is not one on the tablet.
So what are you guys doing? Just plugging it in and letting it sit overnight to give it its full charge - and then going by the battery indicator when you turn it on?
I've got my new TF sitting next to me here, and I'm trying to be a good dad to it by charging it up first before using it - but not having any sort of an indicator on it - I have no idea if it's doing anything or not!!!
Screw it - I think I"m gonna unplug it and start futzing it with it! Battery be damned!!
btw - damn this charge cable is SHORT!!
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Monoprice has the USB 3.0 extension cables, but they won't be in stock until tomorrow (their estimate). When they are back in stock, a 6ft extension will run you about $7-$8 shipped.

I plan to order a few cables from Monoprice with a mini hdmi to hdmi cable.

Does it need to be usb 3.0 or will usb 2.0 do the trick ?
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Monoprice has the USB 3.0 extension cables, but they won't be in stock until tomorrow (their estimate). When they are back in stock, a 6ft extension will run you about $7-$8 shipped.
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USB 2 cables don't supply enough power.
It will charge, but I think it has to be off and it'd be really slow going.

But usb 2.0 extension cable will work fine with the supplied charger? Also would you not require a usb 2.0 to usb 3.0 converter ?

Asus really overlook the inclusion of an charging indicator. Or, they are trying to make more $$$ on the keyboard/dock?

jake21 said:
But usb 2.0 extension cable will work fine with the supplied charger? Also would you not require a usb 2.0 to usb 3.0 converter ?
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Has anyone got some definitve experience on USB2 vs USB3 for charging and/or with an extension cable. The whole charging process and adaptor are making me a little nervous in general.

there is no reason to invest in USB 3 gear when all you really need is higher amperage, wich you often get from stand-alone chargers like the one supplied or you can buy in stores (just check that the output is 1000mah or more, 2000 mah is desired for effective charging).
The reason you might want to use a usb 3 PORT (cable makes no diffrence) is that usb 3 deliver more juice then usb 2, but unless it is a dedicated charger port that can supply 2000mah+ charge the port still require you to have the pad either off or stand by and even then charging will take ages.
Consider this, the supplied charger delivers 2000mah on 5v and my HTC charger to my phone has 1000mah @ 5v. Compared to the standard 550mah on a singel non-charger adapted USB port on a computer.

The TF charger output at 15V @ 1.2A with using the supplied USB3.0 cable. If you use a USB2.0 extension cable, it will drop the charging voltage down to 5V. You will need a USB3.0 extension cable

eli.kennedy said:
Has anyone got some definitve experience on USB2 vs USB3 for charging and/or with an extension cable. The whole charging process and adaptor are making me a little nervous in general.
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There's a thread about this issue here. Several USB 3.0 cables have been found to work, but not for everyone. I have this one that I received today. It charged both the tab and the dock with the wall charger. I've also got a Tripp Lite that's worked for others on the way in the case the other didn't work.

it has to be USB 3.0 extension since the tablet recognizes the extra pin which is what lets it charge at the full rate.

jmkhenka said:
there is no reason to invest in USB 3 gear when all you really need is higher amperage, wich you often get from stand-alone chargers like the one supplied or you can buy in stores (just check that the output is 1000mah or more, 2000 mah is desired for effective charging).
The reason you might want to use a usb 3 PORT (cable makes no diffrence) is that usb 3 deliver more juice then usb 2, but unless it is a dedicated charger port that can supply 2000mah+ charge the port still require you to have the pad either off or stand by and even then charging will take ages.
Consider this, the supplied charger delivers 2000mah on 5v and my HTC charger to my phone has 1000mah @ 5v. Compared to the standard 550mah on a singel non-charger adapted USB port on a computer.
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Not quite correct. The charger senses a gnd connection on pin 7 of the USB 3.0 connector and delivers 15V @2a to the TF and or Dock. There are only 4 conductors in a USB 2.0 Cable. so the charger only delivers 5V as it does not see the gnd on pin 7. For all the technical details see the thread started by DevCake where the voltages and currents have actually been measured. A 5V 20A charger will not be as good as one with 11-15V at about 2A as the charger is not a constant current charger but a power source for a charge controller ( controlling the current) in the TF.

I appreciate that it is a slightly older thread and not sure if what I'm about to post is already known by TF owners but here goes anyway.
The discussion has moved on to cables but the threqad title is about a charging indicator. I've discovered that the battery icon in the bottom RH corner has a lightning symbol through it when it is being charged.
Sorry if it's old news but I've only had my TF one week and thought other users might not be aware

Really wish they would have put in a fancy multicolor LED somewhere on the housing but we can't win them all. Even the Nook Color had an LED on the cable itself.

[Q] Can i use the TF101 Charger to charge a mobile phone?

I am going for a trip, and I want to reduce the number of things I carry with me, and I was wondering if I can use the Asus TF101 charger to charge other devices that plug to usb, like my mobile phone.
I know that the TF101 charger gives more power than normal chargers through the USB3 cable (Required by the device, otherwise it will not charge), but if I plug a usb2 cable and plug my phone, will it charge or fry it?

I wouldn't use the charger, I'd use a usb port on the dock, personally. I'm just paranoid though, it should be fine since the limit on 2.0 is 5v

Thing O Doom said:
I wouldn't use the charger, I'd use a usb port on the dock, personally. I'm just paranoid though, it should be fine since the limit on 2.0 is 5v
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I don't have the dock , that's why I am asking

Yes, I do that all the time to reduce the number of charging bricks I carry. If Asus only had the foresight to make it a dual port!
There is a DIY charger thread that also has lots of information about how the charger works. If I recall correctly, it puts out standard 5V normally. When the TF cable is plugged in, it actually shorts out certain pins in the USB 3.0 plug and that signals the power brick to kick up the voltage to 1.21 gigawatts that are needed to charge the TF. A standard USB 2.0 plug won't be able to short out the pins so the voltage will stay at 5V.
Edit: Here's the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321
Be sure to thank DevCake - he did a lot of great work in this thread.

I had read that at some point, but I wasn't 100% sure as I couldn't find it. Thanks for clarifying xB

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted.
I read the charger post long ago, but I was unable to find it today.

Just using a lower power point to charged it...

TF700 charger/cable requirements?

I was planning on using my iPad charger to charge my phone, iPad, and TF700 while on the road. It puts out more than enough current at +5 volts but doesn't work with the TF700. The Asus charger outputs +15 and +5 and works with the Asus cable and an OEM cable, and also works charging my phone using a micro-B cable. Is the TF700 charged using +15 volts?
The TF700 booklet says it can be charged from a USB port, which is +5 volts. While that may be an impossible task on a PC, it still means that the TF700 can be charged using a USB cable and +5 volt charger. Why doesn't it work? Has anyone gotten a 2A +5V OEM charger to work with the TF700? Is there a pinout diagram for the Asus cable and charger anywhere? Thanks.

Not sure if this helps, but the keyboard dock (unlike the tablet itself) can only be charged from the charger, not usb, so it must draw more power than a standard usb.
It's also possible your Apple charger usb port is pinned to only work with "apple approved" products? Have you been able to charge other devices from it?
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Studiozut said:
Not sure if this helps, but the keyboard dock (unlike the tablet itself) can only be charged from the charger, not usb, so it must draw more power than a standard usb.
It's also possible your Apple charger usb port is pinned to only work with "apple approved" products? Have you been able to charge other devices from it?
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I don't have a dock nor am I trying to charge the TF700 from a PC USB port. The Apple charger puts out +5 volts to anything plugged into to it and the TF700 apparently "knows" when the Apple charger is connected to it because it turns on if it's off.

Haidozo said:
I was planning on using my iPad charger to charge my phone, iPad, and TF700 while on the road. It puts out more than enough current at +5 volts but doesn't work with the TF700. The Asus charger outputs +15 and +5 and works with the Asus cable and an OEM cable, and also works charging my phone using a micro-B cable. Is the TF700 charged using +15 volts?
The TF700 booklet says it can be charged from a USB port, which is +5 volts. While that may be an impossible task on a PC, it still means that the TF700 can be charged using a USB cable and +5 volt charger. Why doesn't it work? Has anyone gotten a 2A +5V OEM charger to work with the TF700? Is there a pinout diagram for the Asus cable and charger anywhere? Thanks.
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It will charge VERY SLOWLY on 5v USB while turned off. Will not charge via 5v USB while on. The TF700 requires at least 12V/2A to charge while on. 15V/1.2A is what's recommended by Asus (based on their proprietary charger specs).
Here's a battery I use to charge my TF700 while on the go, and it also charges my phone, BT headsets and other devices. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1796750. Great battery, I highly recommend it.

AspenMan said:
It will charge VERY SLOWLY on 5v USB while turned off. Will not charge via 5v USB while on. The TF700 requires at least 12V/2A to charge while on. 15V/1.2A is what's recommended by Asus (based on their proprietary charger specs).
Here's a battery I use to charge my TF700 while on the go, and it also charges my phone, BT headsets and other devices. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1796750. Great battery, I highly recommend it.
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You are correct. With the TF700 turned off, an hour of charging with the 2A Apple charger had increased the battery level from 29% to 34%. I expect the TF700 to be fully charged in only 14 hours!
Thanks.

Have you considered a power inverter? I use this one with my A100 though I use a FM transmitter to charge my phone.

Somewhat related to this: in the past, when using devices that have a power block with a USB port and a charge/sync cable, such as an iPod or even my Galaxy Nexus, I've used a USB extension cable to give me a little extra slack. For some reason, that doesn't seem to work with the Infinity. I've tried three different USB extension cables and the tablet never shows that it's charging. Is there a certain USB cable I can use for this?

AspenMan said:
It will charge VERY SLOWLY on 5v USB while turned off. Will not charge via 5v USB while on. The TF700 requires at least 12V/2A to charge while on. 15V/1.2A is what's recommended by Asus (based on their proprietary charger specs).
Here's a battery I use to charge my TF700 while on the go, and it also charges my phone, BT headsets and other devices. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1796750. Great battery, I highly recommend it.
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I have that same exact charger. do you use the "I" or the "S" USB port?
I never knew what the difference between the two were
EDIT...i shouldve read the thread lol...you modified yours

I ordered a pair of cables from eBay item # 320942102464. A house charger and a car charger. I just plugged in the dock and seems to be working fine.

USB 3.0?
FrontRowJoe said:
Somewhat related to this: in the past, when using devices that have a power block with a USB port and a charge/sync cable, such as an iPod or even my Galaxy Nexus, I've used a USB extension cable to give me a little extra slack. For some reason, that doesn't seem to work with the Infinity. I've tried three different USB extension cables and the tablet never shows that it's charging. Is there a certain USB cable I can use for this?
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Are you using a USB 2.0 or 3.0 extension cable? It's my understanding that the Infinity uses USB 3.0.

You need 15v to charge the Pad (I kept thinking 11, but the adapter says 5V or 15V output). This makes sense since there are more pins. Standard USB has 5v rails (ther are 4 pins, I 5v power, Data+, Data-, ground). Since our chargers are 40 pins, my assumption is that there are more pins dedicated to charging and multiple pins dedicated to data (possibly a few that are dedicated and some that are for whatever data is being passed through (assumption)). If the adapter is outputting 11v then it can send more power through the cord and multiple pins can push electricity through. When you are only pulling 5v (i.e. most AC->USB transformers) you will need a lot more time to charge, hence the trickle effect (and don't turn on the screen!)

It can be charged with 5v if the tablet is off.
There is a jumper in the USB cable itself that kicks the Asus charger into 15v mode so it doesnt accidentally fry your devices if you plug in, say, your cell phone to charge for a bit.
To make a custom cable just throw 15v across three pins in the connector (5v each). You can find all the info here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633747
Yes, i know its for the prime, the connector is exactly the same, the pinouts SHOULD be identical.

DIY approach?
I've got a TF700T and a TF201 dock and a misplaced charger. I ran into the same trouble that a lot of people here did ....... generic chargers not working, USB on my computer only trickle charges the tablet, nothing for the dock, etc.......
After much poking around I learned that both require 12 volts to charge. That said I dug thru my junk and found a 2.2a 12v DC wallwart. I hacked apart a USB extension cable for it's female end, broke out my breadboard and put together a 12v USB connector... that after several days of charging and draining.... charging and draining .... works like a champ.
So to be a bit more specific, pin 1 that's normally 5+ volts I'm supplying 12+. Pin 4 is ground same as always and that's it. If you wish let me know I can probably throw up a little illustration or something.
Since I did that I've refined the whole thing a bit, cleaned it up, wired everything directly and heat shrinked the whole assembly.
It will charge both together or either one by itself in just hours EVEN while using them..... heavily. No overheating, no troubles.
HTH

AnakiMana said:
Are you using a USB 2.0 or 3.0 extension cable? It's my understanding that the Infinity uses USB 3.0.
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I think the cable type might only matter after the ics.30 update when I was on the ics.26 I could use a standard extention cable, I had my device plugged in when I updated and my device stopped charging, and I freaked out thinking I broke something. But after finally removing the extention my tablet would charge. I have not tried to use the extention cable since so I don't know if it works with jb.
Asus Transformer Infinity running CleanRom 2.7.x

Bluemgt06 said:
I think the cable type might only matter after the ics.30 update when I was on the ics.26 I could use a standard extention cable, I had my device plugged in when I updated and my device stopped charging, and I freaked out thinking I broke something. But after finally removing the extention my tablet would charge. I have not tried to use the extention cable since so I don't know if it works with jb.
Asus Transformer Infinity running CleanRom 2.7.x
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The Asus charger switches its output to 15V from 5V when a USB3 plug is detected. If you need an extesion cable to charge the Transformer, you'll have to use USB3 extension cable. If you want to use this charger on other devices, be sure to use a USB2 cable to not to fry it with 15V.

Kraka said:
If you want to use this charger on other devices, be sure to use a USB2 cable to not to fry it with 15V.
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Thanks for the warning - I hope there are no cables with USB3 and micro-USB2 plugs though.

[Q] Do you need the AC adapter to charge this tablet?

I went to europe recently and brought along my TF-700. I have come back and cannot find the part that plugs into the wall that came with my transformer. Plugging it into another ASUS adapter (from my N7, for example) doesn't seem to charge the dock, nor does plugging the cable into a USB port on my computer. So my question is this: will this thing only charge with the factory plug that came with the Transformer? I don't want to pay 40 bucks for a new one if I can avoid it.

This thread might shed some light -TF700 charger/cable requirements?
Long story short, you'll need something capable of pushing 15 Volts at 2 Amps to get charging while the device is on. Other variations of voltage might work while the device is off. Most computers won't push 2A through USB. I'm a little surprised the N7 adapter doesn't do you any good, I've used generic 120V AC to USB adapters to charge the TF700 in the past.

If you put the charger cable in the tablet and the usb end in the tf dock, it will charge the tablet!

Basically, Yes. Any other Transformer chargers will work, as will any 15V adapters from other sources. The N7 adapter gives off 5V. It may be 2A, but the voltage is too low.
The AC adapter gives 15 Volt. A USB port only gives 5v, as do all regular USB chargers. The TF700 starts detecting a charge at 12V (light/notificationbar). At 5V, it will charge about 1-3% an hour, which is less than/equal to the amount if drains whilst sleeping. Oh, and if you have any other USB cable attached between the TF700's charger cable and the charger, make sure it's a USB3.0. Anything else doesn't allow enough voltage to pass through.
The Infinity Manual: (People, READ THIS THING. Even if you didn't get it in the box, it's on the official website.)
Page 10:
- Ensure that your ASUS Transformer Pad is turned off before charging it via your computer's USB port.
- Charging through the USB port may take a longer time to complete.
- If your computer does not provide enough power for the ASUS Transformer Pad, use the wall outlet instead.
Page 83, not relevant in this case, but to others who try:
- The ASUS Transformer Pad cannot be charged through the USB dock when it is connected to the mobile dock.
usern ameisval idandnot said:
If you put the charger cable in the tablet and the usb end in the tf dock, it will charge the tablet!
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If you have the dock, you can just dock the tablet in the dock the way it's supposed to......

[Q] TF700T charged on a wall socket using this...

Hi everyone... I have an asus tf700t and I was wondering if I can charge it using the belkin mini surge protector with usb charger ( w**.belkin.com/us/p/P-BZ103050-TVL )? I just wanna make sure if it would be ok plugging the usb cord straight to the usb socket of this belkin usb socket. I carry a lot of gadgets with me whereever I go so I kinda feel that it would be bulky carryng a lot of chargers for my cellphone, laptop... etc. Would this be safe? I just experienced last week someone's charger got toasted using a public wall socket using the original charger. Thats why I thought of buying a surge protector as well. Thank you.

Depends on what you mean. Do you mean skip the Asus wall plug and use the usb ports on this protector? Then the answer is no. The usb ports on any device you use to charge the tablet needs to be usb 3.0 and supply the needed 15v of power. All of the usb plugs that are sold are made for 2-5v devices. If there is one that does supply the 15v then I have not seen it and many people using this forum would probably love to purchase it. You've stated one main reason to buy something like this, limiting the number of plugs to carry around, but it's also like $40 bucks to buy another plug from Asus.
That 2-5v is enough to charge cell phones, gps units, apple products, other tablets that don't use a proprietary power plug, etc. It may supply a small trickle of power similar to hooking up the device to a computer while the tablet is powered off. That would take hours to charge the device and not what you are looking for. I think one of the advantages Asus went for in using usb 3.0 and 15v is the speed of which the device can charge. It is pulling more power and able to delivery it to the battery faster. That is my guess but it is limiting our after market choices.
Now if you mean use that as added protection and have the Asus plug plugged into it, then yes it will work. If you are concerned about pulling too much power through it then don't have the device hooked up to it and use all of the other ports on the protector at the same time. That little device does seem neat. I lost an a/c adapter for my laptop when lightening struck really close to my hotel. Fried the power brick but luckily the laptop was not damaged. At work and at home I use a power strip/surge protector when plugging in the tablet to charge.

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Depends on what you mean. Do you mean skip the Asus wall plug and use the usb ports on this protector? Then the answer is no. The usb ports on any device you use to charge the tablet needs to be usb 3.0 and supply the needed 15v of power. All of the usb plugs that are sold are made for 2-5v devices. If there is one that does supply the 15v then I have not seen it and many people using this forum would probably love to purchase it. You've stated one main reason to buy something like this, limiting the number of plugs to carry around, but it's also like $40 bucks to buy another plug from Asus.
That 2-5v is enough to charge cell phones, gps units, apple products, other tablets that don't use a proprietary power plug, etc. It may supply a small trickle of power similar to hooking up the device to a computer while the tablet is powered off. That would take hours to charge the device and not what you are looking for. I think one of the advantages Asus went for in using usb 3.0 and 15v is the speed of which the device can charge. It is pulling more power and able to delivery it to the battery faster. That is my guess but it is limiting our after market choices.
Now if you mean use that as added protection and have the Asus plug plugged into it, then yes it will work. If you are concerned about pulling too much power through it then don't have the device hooked up to it and use all of the other ports on the protector at the same time. That little device does seem neat. I lost an a/c adapter for my laptop when lightening struck really close to my hotel. Fried the power brick but luckily the laptop was not damaged. At work and at home I use a power strip/surge protector when plugging in the tablet to charge.
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Ok tnx for the input. Just wanted to be sure if it would not harm the device if I use the usb wire without the charger adapter that came with asus but rather plug the usb cable directly to the belkin usb socket. Being stated that the tf700t is usb 3 and 15v is needed, will the belkin suffice to charge the device using its usb slot for charging without causing any harm? The spec says in belkin mini surge protector is 5V/500mA each usb port.

MasterYodaMD said:
Being stated that the tf700t is usb 3 and 15v is needed, will the belkin suffice to charge the device using its usb slot for charging without causing any harm? The spec says in belkin mini surge protector is 5V/500mA each usb port.
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It should work and do no harm, but it will be very very slow - maybe 5% per hour...

fsured said:
Depends on what you mean. Do you mean skip the Asus wall plug and use the usb ports on this protector? Then the answer is no. The usb ports on any device you use to charge the tablet needs to be usb 3.0 and supply the needed 15v of power. All of the usb plugs that are sold are made for 2-5v devices. If there is one that does supply the 15v then I have not seen it and many people using this forum would probably love to purchase it. You've stated one main reason to buy something like this, limiting the number of plugs to carry around, but it's also like $40 bucks to buy another plug from Asus.
That 2-5v is enough to charge cell phones, gps units, apple products, other tablets that don't use a proprietary power plug, etc. It may supply a small trickle of power similar to hooking up the device to a computer while the tablet is powered off. That would take hours to charge the device and not what you are looking for. I think one of the advantages Asus went for in using usb 3.0 and 15v is the speed of which the device can charge. It is pulling more power and able to delivery it to the battery faster. That is my guess but it is limiting our after market choices.
Now if you mean use that as added protection and have the Asus plug plugged into it, then yes it will work. If you are concerned about pulling too much power through it then don't have the device hooked up to it and use all of the other ports on the protector at the same time. That little device does seem neat. I lost an a/c adapter for my laptop when lightening struck really close to my hotel. Fried the power brick but luckily the laptop was not damaged. At work and at home I use a power strip/surge protector when plugging in the tablet to charge.
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One correction please. Its not usb 3.0. Its just usb 2.0. Check for the specs on asus site.

king231 said:
One correction please. Its not usb 3.0. Its just usb 2.0. Check for the specs on asus site.
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It's a USB 3 plug, and the additional lines are somehow used by the Asus charger for detecting the tablet and switching the voltage.

_that said:
It's a USB 3 plug, and the additional lines are somehow used by the Asus charger for detecting the tablet and switching the voltage.
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Oh! I was talking about the tablet. If the tablet had USB 2.0 why would the plug be of USB 3.0.