So... I'm winding down from my day, drinking a couple beers and checking XDA for anything I've missed throughout the day. Keep in mind this is my first Android, coming from crapberry... I know it hasn't been out long and there are issues with ril(which I don't know anything about)... I feel like some of the things I have found here I really like have slowed down, if not stopped. Before I get flamed, I understand there is a tremendous amount of work that goes into every Rom and theme we see. I just hope to see that at some point, this phone gets to the point we all hope it will. I'm trying to learn as much as I can and help anyone with questions my limited Android knowledge can accomplish. Feel free to use this thread to vent and rant... Let's get it all out here. Many thanks to the devs still holding strong... I'm just looking for thoughts on how far the development will go with this phoned compared to the EVO's I'm compared to everyday at work.
3 things to keep in mind:
1) CM7 is damn near stable and they're working hard on it. That said, [nearly] everybody who isn't working on CM7 is essentially waiting on the CM7 team to finish since [nearly] everybody wants an AOSP-based ROM. So why would they keep pouring tons of time into their current ROMs since they'll very soon be thrown away?
2) Google I/O. Quite a few of our favorite devs are being distracted by either attending or closely following this event.
3) End of the school year. A lot of our favorite devs are either high school or college students. And many of those who aren't have children. As such, this is a rough time of year for them.
Look at all of this and you shouldn't be all that surprised that things have slowed down for a bit. But I promise you, the TBolt will be one of the main platforms that people will be hacking for a while. We'll have CM7, we'll have MIUI, and we'll have many other custom ROMs and kernels. Just be patient while they get the RIL stable. This is the FIRST phone that has supported LTE and this is also the first phone (that I'm aware of) that has supported eHRPD - there are definitely some lessons that need to be learned, and that takes time.
bking_soda said:
So... I'm winding down from my day, drinking a couple beers and checking XDA for anything I've missed throughout the day. Keep in mind this is my first Android, coming from crapberry... I know it hasn't been out long and there are issues with ril(which I don't know anything about)... I feel like some of the things I have found here I really like have slowed down, if not stopped. Before I get flamed, I understand there is a tremendous amount of work that goes into every Rom and theme we see. I just hope to see that at some point, this phone gets to the point we all hope it will. I'm trying to learn as much as I can and help anyone with questions my limited Android knowledge can accomplish. Feel free to use this thread to vent and rant... Let's get it all out here. Many thanks to the devs still holding strong... I'm just looking for thoughts on how far the development will go with this phoned compared to the EVO's I'm compared to everyday at work.
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A good amount of stuff has came out with the RIL still not completed, once the RIL is completed, the flood gates will open and you will see a large amount of ROMs made.
bking_soda said:
I'm just looking for thoughts on how far the development will go with this phoned compared to the EVO's I'm compared to everyday at work.
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... so this is about getting compared to the EVO? You guys have pork sword fights at work too?
Hey now... Pork sword fights are saved for after work. Haha. Not comparing to the EVO, just stating that its been out much longer and had more dev time.
In addition, once 2.3 leaks, the floodgates will open again.
Hey B Soda,
I'm in the same boat as you. I loved my BB Bold dearly. So easy to pimp them girls on it. Just the simplicity of the keyboard, being able to connect with other people.
However now being on my first android, i felt that I made the switch at the right time.
With BlackBerry I felt i could write a good email and msg friends all day, but I could never ever use the browser or attempt to download anything because it really was useless.
Tbolt on the other hand, I was able to do everything that i couldn't do on my blackberry, Msging still sucks on the Tbolt, But it is way way better then trying to browse on a blackberry.
With that said, there is still something i miss about the blackberry, but honestly i couldn't be happier.
One more thing, When i first got into android i was completely loss. I have no idea what to do. It was hours and hours of mindless surfing on many different android websites. Hours of reading on root and roms.
Anyhow Android is the future. Long live Google!!!
I see it like this: the Thunderbolt is still an infant--it eats, sleeps, cries, pukes, and poops. When it gets more mature, it can crawl, walk, talk, and more! It just needs some TLC and patience!
It hasn't even been 2 months. It took a whole month if not more I believe to root the Incredible if I remember correctly. Learn some patience people.
You can't compare this phone to the EVO, the EVO has been out for almost a year now.
I gotta agree with the OP.
Development seems to be at a stand still. I understand most developers are waiting for the ril to be completed. But, while we're waiting other phones will be released and developers will start to look towards that phone for development support. I think we'll be left behind. And it really does seem like only 2 developers are working on getting the ril, but when the G2 was rooted it seemed like all of team douche was working to get the ASOP ROM up and running. With the Thunderbolt it's more like team Slayer. Progress was made quickly with the G2 and other devices. Quickly even with team douche building for all devices at once.
I'm not slapping other developers in the face. I'm currently running adrynalyne build, and I like. Great battery life. But I want the speed and stability other devices have with CM7. I really do appreciate the having the support we currently have. And I've donated to the developers of my choice in support of their work.
Coming from the OG Droid, I noticed that many ROMs are based on CM. So we WILL see many more roms.
I can assure you we will get 2.3.4 sometime in the future especially since HTC "promised" that we'll get some kind of 2.3 version. 3.1 was announced at Google I/O, but that probably won't happen until mid next year for us (if we are lucky).
This is the first Verizon 4g phone. The ril is brand new to all. The phone will take off when the ril is polished and released.
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I would pay money just to get a virus rom update
i can't wait til they send me my sim card for the tbolt
While I don't have a Thunderbolt and I'm still rocking an OG Droid, I do believe I can say something about this.
I suspect that a lot of people share in these sentiments, myself included. But I believe the reason why is because so many people were amazed at the community that developed after the Droid 1 was released. The Motorola Droid really revolutionized the Android ecosystem. With Android 2.0, Android changed big-time. The Droid (and Android 2.0) was leaps and bounds over anything that had predated it in the Android world, and there was all sorts of development options that opened up with the creation of that new phone.
Unfortunately, I believe that the days of new findings and developments like in the days and weeks in November and December '09 are gone for good, and won't be matched by anything in the near future in the Android world. New phones will come and go, the Thunderbolt included. There will be big-time phones (again, like the Thunderbolt) that people will naturally be attracted to, and those will be the centers of development for the community for a good period of time. But I don't believe you will ever again see a surge in development like you saw for the Motorola Droid.
There is definitely still plenty of development going on in a community like this. It just doesn't seem like as much as there was in the Android community in the past, and it definitely wasn't as much. But I don't think we can ever match those numbers again, so don't let that comparison get you down.
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A good amount of stuff has came out with the RIL still not completed, once the RIL is completed, the flood gates will open and you will see a large amount of ROMs made.
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I fully agree with what you said. So far there has been some really good to great stuff but I feel personally this is only the beginning of what potential lies within what could be done with ROMs on the Thunderbolt. I can't wait for the RIL to be finished.
I got my OG Droid in Nov. 09 and I personally do not think ROM development was the golden age like you are so fondly remembering. Verizon's first android phone brought a lot of new people to android. It still took quite awhile for community to evolve.
People seem spoiled now ... TB is new tech, we need to give it time. The Devs are bringing out some very Nice sense based ROMs and AOSP will follow... give it time.
"Is dinner ready yet?!" No. "Is it ready yet?!" No. "How about now?!" No. *shoe to the head* "Ow! What the hell was that for?!"
You get the picture. This is exactly what you guys are doing here but it won't be a shoe that you'll get to the side of your head, you'll have pushed a good developer or two away and then you'll really be crying.
Btw, first paragraph is a true story. Actually happened to me a few times.
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jab476 said:
I would pay money just to get a virus rom update
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Cheers, I'm thinking the same thing...
ddgarcia05 said:
I gotta agree with the OP.
Development seems to be at a stand still. I understand most developers are waiting for the ril to be completed. But, while we're waiting other phones will be released and developers will start to look towards that phone for development support. I think we'll be left behind.
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So how, exactly, do you expect other LTE devices to leave us left behind? EVERY SINGLE Verizon LTE device will build upon what is done for the RIL with the Thunderbolt. If anything, add'l LTE devices coming will actually HELP the Thunderbolt community! At some point, yeah, we'll move past the Thunderbolt. But that won't be until multi-core phones blow single-core phones away. And we're not close to there yet. Perhaps Ice Cream Sandwich will make that a reality (we hope) and that's still 7(?) months away!
Hi guys,
I am newbie to Android smartphones and tablets modding/hacking/ROMdeveloping and I am looking for the correct starting in this experience to optimize my learning curve.
What device should I pick? I am looking for the best compromise between these different factors:
-Large community support availability
-Hacking easiness (meaning a device most open as possible)
-Detailed guides availability
...
Every single advice is appreciated.
Regards
Okay, let's reformulate the problem differently.
Which devices has best community support on xda developers?
A thread in our forum stated that Samsung fascinate has good community support. Could that device be an appropriate starting point?
I appreciate your help xda developers!
It depends on what carrier you're gonna go with. The sprint evo probably has the largest community, looks like the evo 3d will be pretty big too. Not really sure about at&t and T-Mobile. Verizon hasn't had much lately that's been big, the original incredible has a pretty sizeable community, looks like the thunderbolt isn't bad either. Currently the phone to beat is the Samsung galaxy s2, it can only be used on at&t currently but should be coming to all carriers on the next couple months.
No money, i would recommend the sgs and if you have money to spend the sgs2.
Both are awesome devices with a huge and active community behind them.
I appreciate your help K_nivesout and Dark3n.
I gonna process this choices and come back to comment on them and choose one.
Probably this experience would help some people in the future
Hi everyone! I just wanted to throw this question out there to all of you on XDA. On August 1st, I will be eligible to be reimbursed up to $80 a month for my cell phone bill through work. I am currently on a TMobile Family Plan using a Samsung Vibrant. To make things easy, I am going to go onto my own plan. I can pick any carrier, any plan, and any phone. If you guys were in this situation, what phone would you pick? I am not up to date on phones that are going to be released soon, so if some are coming out in the next month, I'd wait and consider those as well. Just wanted some input from people I'd trust! (aka XDA users!)
SGS II for me is the best phone out there at the moment and the forseeable future.
If you are into modding the SGS II devs are the best, Pulsar, Hacre, Noonski to mention a couple.
Of course only my humble opinion.
2452sgtb said:
SGS II for me is the best phone out there at the moment and the forseeable future.
If you are into modding the SGS II devs are the best, Pulsar, Hacre, Noonski to mention a couple.
Of course only my humble opinion.
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actually she(hope i am right , referred the picture) did make clear that she is not into phones, so there is no way that she is into modding (my opinion). and very few working people spend time modding/flashing roms.
and yea i would suggest u go for sgs2, iphone ( if u r somehow still into modding these are still the best choices )
Thanks to both of you for responding! Yes, I am a she (that is me in my picture) and actually, I am into modding my phones... I just wish I knew more about it, and really understood what went into creating ROMs. I am always amazed at how smart everyone here is! I usually am up to date about all the new phones coming out and such, but haven't been around here much the past few months to know what's great and up-and-coming! So thanks for helping me out!!
Yes, another defector here. I went and ordered a Moto G. The price ($179) was too compelling for a good midrange smartphone. The infuse was getting to the point where I wasn't happy with the performance any more. Don't get me wrong, it has served me well over the 2 years I've had it, but like most things, the time has come to move on.
Sure, the Moto G is not a high end phone like some other previous Infuse users have moved on to, but the moto g is definitely a couple steps better hardware wise. Actually comparable to a Galaxy S3. So for me, it will be a nice upgrade.
I'd just like to say a heartfelt thank you to all of the devs who have worked hard to keep the Infuse dream alive. I'll stop in every once in a while to see how things are going, and wish you guys and gals all the best.
No custom ROMS for the Sprint Variant yet? It's been a while......
praying for devs to develop SPRINT ROMS
i am disappointed ...i bought the note edge finially got the phone
I've been saveing up for. .very expensive to. .and still no roms yet. ..does anyone know
of any roms that are in the makeing? I've read in other threads
when i was still on the note 3 that sac's was comeing to the note 4 edge
he made really cool roms for the sprint note 3 i flashed all his work..i seen hyperdrive rom on the tmobile thread,can someone port that rom to our sprint ?
lucky_515 said:
i am disappointed ...i bought the note edge finially got the phone
I've been saveing up for. .very expensive to. .and still no roms yet. ..does anyone know
of any roms that are in the makeing? I've read in other threads
when i was still on the note 3 that sac's was comeing to the note 4 edge
he made really cool roms for the sprint note 3 i flashed all his work..i seen hyperdrive rom on the tmobile thread,can someone port that rom to our sprint ?
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Not too sure. I've had the edge since it first came out. Disappointing for sure
I point you to this thread.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3055791
You bought a limited production non advertised phone and now complaining that there isn't any support.... Should of bought a nexus or note 4 if you wanted support.
As far as Sacs Roms, you should PM him and asked.
Haha I was looking on sprint buyback list and the edge isn't even listed. Guess if they don't even want it back then not too many people bought it
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The problem is that a lot of the people that used to do development left XDA a while back because of bullcrap that can go on sometimes on the site that makes it pointless to want to do anything. Donations are nowhere what people think they are on things not that that matyers to everyone but it takes a LOT of time. Sometimes people did them for fun or shared thwir own rom they made only to have people just complain or nitpick about things wanting it this way or that way. For instance i got Kanged a while back on some bull**** that wasnt true just because I refused to join some stupid team projects and wanted to be on my own so they teamed up on me claiming i was Kanging their crap which was bull. Anyone testing my ROMs knew i had thimgs fixed before them and they were takimg my fixes. It got to the point where i had to watermark but even then it didnt matter at that point its not worth it.....so dumb. Thats a just for instance...
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The problem is that a lot of the people that used to do development left XDA a while back because of bullcrap that can go on sometimes on the site that makes it pointless to want to do anything. Donations are nowhere what people think they are on things not that that matyers to everyone but it takes a LOT of time. Sometimes people did them for fun or shared thwir own rom they made only to have people just complain or nitpick about things wanting it this way or that way. For instance i got Kanged a while back on some bull**** that wasnt true just because I refused to join some stupid team projects and wanted to be on my own so they teamed up on me claiming i was Kanging their crap which was bull. Anyone testing my ROMs knew i had thimgs fixed before them and they were takimg my fixes. It got to the point where i had to watermark but even then it didnt matter at that point its not worth it.....so dumb. Thats a just for instance...
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I know exactly where you're coming from. .
I don't intend to support any development here anymore (any shape or form), but possibly just release in General section as repository only. Basically just the DL link and kernel source.
Speedin07si said:
I point you to this thread.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3055791
You bought a limited production non advertised phone and now complaining that there isn't any support.... Should of bought a nexus or note 4 if you wanted support.
As far as Sacs Roms, you should PM him and asked.
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yeah i shouldve done more research i had no idea it was limted producton..if i did i wouldnt be complaining..im complaining cause my dumeass spent 900 bucks on a phone that isnt gonna be supported..that sucks bad,!!!!!!