Have they made an official stament about not letting people install apps from the sd card? Are they so cynical to claim that they're doing this for our benefit and preventing apps from damaging our phones?
They did in their FAQ section of thier site.
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that is so you don't install a tethering app...Ma Bell needs her extra $20 a month.
It's ATT, they are the biggest bunch of fail for a variety of reasons, so removing side loading apps goes along with that.
It is like their disapproval of flashing and rooting. But you can kind of see their point, there does seem to be a over abundance of complete morons in the world. Just look how many people brick their brand new phones every week by diving into unlocking and flashing custom roms without studying or reading or understanding at all.
These people then all blame AT$T and try to get new phones under warranty. Believe me, I hate AT$T more than anyone they are down there at the bottom of the food chain with lawyers and insurance companies, but I can kind of see their point. Besides,isn't it more of a google thing than an AT$T thing ?
That's not even getting into the illegal sharing of pay for apps.
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It is like their disapproval of flashing and rooting. But you can kind of see their point, there does seem to be a over abundance of complete morons in the world. Just look how many people brick their brand new phones every week by diving into unlocking and flashing custom roms without studying or reading or understanding at all.
These people then all blame AT$T and try to get new phones under warranty. Believe me, I hate AT$T more than anyone they are down there at the bottom of the food chain with lawyers and insurance companies, but I can kind of see their point. Besides,isn't it more of a google thing than an AT$T thing ?
That's not even getting into the illegal sharing of pay for apps.
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a google thing? at&t is the only company that blocks sideloading apps , locked bootloaders is another thing
Their official position on this is that they want to preserve the integrity of the user experience. In other words, they don't want to deal with customers having problems from apps that are not approved for the Market.
Do I buy this line? I think there is a slight validity to the claim, but it is ridiculous. What non techie user is going to do that anyway? Maybe 1% of customers?
It is most likely that they want you to use their premium apps from their filtered version of the Market. Google is also to blame here, they should not allow carriers to customize the available apps in the Market to begin with.
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Google is also to blame here, they should not allow carriers to customize the available apps in the Market to begin with.
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+ 1000 Google should do something about it, android should open for users not carriers and theirs stupid bloatware and restrictions
Unfortunately " open source" means open to everyone to use and modify, including AT$T. It is up to the consumer to make the choice on who is doing it right.
And AT$T isn't the only one that blocks " non market " apps for " security reasons, "
Well, it is some thing that can be solved.... I know people say you shouldn't have to root your phone to get the most out if it, and I some what agree. But every problem that has been stated with the Inspire, and with AT&T can be solved. Custom ROMS, rooting, the side load wonder machine. Just do your home work and every thing will work.
If the recent set of malware riddled packages isn't enough reason to think AT&T may be right about this then maybe the fact that for at least the majority of basic users it really doesn't matter to them one way or the other. As long as they can get Angry Birds or some other game on their phone and can read their emails and play on the web they don't care. For those who really want more, they know how to get there.
And just because you and I may not call AT&T if we install a virus doesn't mean the 90% of the rest of the users wouldn't and blame AT&T for letting their phone get infected. AT&T has to decide which side of the problem they want to fall, and taking the safe route and saying only approved market applications allowed makes a lot of sense.
I find that this sort of lock down sort of floats back and forth between AT&T and Verizon. For a while Verizon only allowed Verizon packages on feature phones. You couldn't even do certain bluetooth things that were built into the phone because Verizon had locked them down. Now Verizon seems much more open but AT&T is putting restrictions.
AT&T is my third cell phone company and has been the best overall I have been with. Sure they have their moments and issues but at least my phone works at my house and on all the streets around my house unlike Verizon.
And yes I have rooted my phone because I wanted to install non-market applications. By the way I hear AT&T is planning to lighten the burden here at some point in some way. Not sure how but they are telling corporations that have their own Android applications that they plan to have some means to allow this in 2011. I can only hope it isn't just a certification of in house markets but we shall see.
I don't know if this is just an advertising scheme of AVG Mobile Solutions through their Facebook page, but when the banning of banking connections (PayPal, online banking, etc.) on rooted devices is pushed through, DAMN IT WE'RE REALLY F*****!
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Definitively a marketing scheme... for the clueless...
"Google is blocking access to some services on rooted devices."
Well.. they did get that spot on..
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I don't know if this is just an advertising scheme of AVG Mobile Solutions through their Facebook page, but when the banning of banking connections (PayPal, online banking, etc.) on rooted devices is pushed through, DAMN IT WE'RE REALLY F*****!
Read more on AVG Blogs HERE
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Don't worry, there is no way for a website to detect if you are rooted or not. There's also no reason for financial companies to do that - they would piss off users for zero gain in security.
Rooted devices are currently unsupported by Google due to requirements related to copyright protection.
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Uh, what? Google has *only* shipped devices with root capability so far, what is this "unsupported" crap?
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Don't worry, there is no way for a website to detect if you are rooted or not. There's also no reason for financial companies to do that - they would piss off users for zero gain in security.
Uh, what? Google has *only* shipped devices with root capability so far, what is this "unsupported" crap?
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I'm sure they're referring to video rentals from the new market being blocked for people on rooted devices.
Well the security increases a litle on non-rooted devices. Or so they claim.
On a rooted device you tend to screw around a litle more and install some infected software that might steal more info then what you know.
They so call wanna protect you against that by not allowing rooted devices.
But as the past already showed us you can aswell get infected apps from market if it passes google filters.
So this is just marketing for AVG. Besides i think AVG is more insane then a virus uninstalling it from your device is not always working perfect.
Also it would become possible to detect if a phone is rooted or not. If google adds a tag when you are using a rooted phone and allows android to send that tag to sites/apps and those sites/apps read those tags and according to them give access or not well then we are screwed.
I don't think they will push it that far thought with the block rooted access.
They just did it now in an attempt to block pirating of their new movie service.
I also remember Google saying once in an article that rooting isn't forbidden and they won't block it as it is just a way to tweak your phone.
It just voids your warranty
its always somethin isnt it..
Sorry if I sound dumb, but what exactly have Google blocked on rooted devices aside from video rentals?
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Sorry if I sound dumb, but what exactly have Google blocked on rooted devices aside from video rentals?
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Well except the movies they havn't blocked rooted phones from anything else yet
For now i don't mind the block that much since i don't plan to view movies on my phone but i understand allot of other users that are pissed at this.
I mean my phone also has to Voodoo sound control app installed so yeah it needs root for that.
Things like this remind me of the phrase I say that "a phone is only as good as it is unrooted" in case one day our rooted phones are cut off from the world.
I am not, but if I had to guess I'd say: If Google decides to block more/too many services on rooted phones we are going to see an "root cloaking app" or something like that, pretending the phone was not rooted while it is.
On Topic, as a computer science student with focus on security: Yes, rooted phones are more vulnerable, because malicous apps could gain root from a stupid user or a dumb user install warez/cracks/stolen stuff with virii in them. Thinking about prices for most apps it's such a users own fault if his data is in trouble.
A bigger problem are the actual security holes in the system. I know from my old iPhone that those are the biggest problem. Especially if those can be triggered from a website, like the pdf or tiff exploit (the later still present on iPhone 3G as firmware is no longer updated).
Oh, on that note, I have a nice topic, but I think I should start a new one instead...
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Don't worry, there is no way for a website to detect if you are rooted or not. There's also no reason for financial companies to do that - they would piss off users for zero gain in security.
Uh, what? Google has *only* shipped devices with root capability so far, what is this "unsupported" crap?
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Not really. From what I understand, to gain root in a device, you have to find a way to exploit it. There is no bonafide root access from Google. The Evo 4G, for example, the exploit was found in the Flash Lite app.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15664846&postcount=3
im rooted
Root is nothing more than admin privileges. Look at your desk top is it "rooted" and do you think they will deny your money from and an admin account on your desktop? Take a deep breath and calm down.
root or not, security problem always occur
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Root is nothing more than admin privileges. Look at your desk top is it "rooted" and do you think they will deny your money from and an admin account on your desktop? Take a deep breath and calm down.
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i am rooted too.. and it's for the same reason i wouldn't like using a computer as a pathetic "user"..
Those 'Security Experts' are government agents that don't know sh#t about high tech rooted devices!
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I am running the MIUI ROM and I think the security features are much better than the non rooted ROM. It actually asked me if I wanted the XBMC app to intercept SMS's.
Hi
I know that this will sound like another hacked story but I know what to do.
My phone got hacked couple of months back.i didnt know it was untill the hacker started to leave clues. It was then that i started really payibg attention to everything going on. but keeping quiet abort it so that he or she thinks i didn't know
I know of 3 incidents that may have conpronised my security coupled by the fact that I did not practice password hygiene or unique ones for all accounts. I know that its totally my fault and i am not goings to blane Android os. So please dont think of this as one of tjose posts
What i now need is help in understanding what tondo next.
Little details on what happens, lets say i get search for some one on Facebook. The same is Charles smith, I Finish off my search and open Instagram boom i see a pictures where recommended shows a google search page where Charles is written and the Google auto complete is giving options .
Happened twice
I tumlr and I don't really post anything in fact My blog is totally blank. Suddenly i have people followings me and they tend of hame my nick name as their user id .the id displays my WhatsApp status updates.
These and just two examples i have more but i think everyone gets whats going on.
things i have done to prevent such occurences factory formatting the phones mac abd router. Gotten new routers and ready to flash a custom firmware for them.
Password changes .everything.wps2 aes wifi password with random numbers upper case lower case n symbols
Passwords are written on paper without a electronic backup and under lock and key.
I thought that maybe its a key logger but i took my moto x2 n moto e2 to the service center and got them to re load official software.
Two days later bam the same thing.
Any suggestion on where the weakness is ?
The problem is that I am kind of tired if thi
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Check account sync settings if it is on more applications can use various private data.
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i dont understand?
can u explain , i have sync on should I not have it
on different note does anyone suggest rooting and installing something that can isolate and restrict data from being accessed. now i know that exposed does that and marshmallow will work that out. but any other guidance ?
Did you use a virus or malware scanner?
Are there any apps you didn't install on your phone?
If i were you, i would start with doing the following steps by their exact order to get rid of the hacker and operate on a "safe" system.
1- Backup personal files to pc and deep scan them with virus scanner, make sure they're clean.
2- Unlock the bootloader of device and flash every image manually with fastboot from stock factory image.
3- After flashing the images, go to stock recovery and wipe data / factory reset and wipe cache for a complete, untouched system.
4- Change account passwords with stuff that are unrelated to you. I mean if you made a google search for firedance, don't include dance or fire in any your passwords.
* also change the " forgot my password " questions and their answers.
5- Once you boot the system, download any ota packages from the manufacturer to be sure you'd be on a safer and patched software for security.
For future securtity, be sure to check apps permissions before installing anything from google play or external places. Don't root your device and don't enable USB Debugging in developer options. Hope it helps.
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If i were you, i would start with doing the following steps by their exact order to get rid of the hacker and operate on a "safe" system.
1- Backup personal files to pc and deep scan them with virus scanner, make sure they're clean.
2- Unlock the bootloader of device and flash every image manually with fastboot from stock factory image.
3- After flashing the images, go to stock recovery and wipe data / factory reset and wipe cache for a complete, untouched system.
4- Change account passwords with stuff that are unrelated to you. I mean if you made a google search for firedance, don't include dance or fire in any your passwords.
* also change the " forgot my password " questions and their answers.
5- Once you boot the system, download any ota packages from the manufacturer to be sure you'd be on a safer and patched software for security.
For future securtity, be sure to check apps permissions before installing anything from google play or external places. Don't root your device and don't enable USB Debugging in developer options. Hope it helps.
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Don't Root your device? Don't check USB debugging? Seriously? That is your answer? Wow, do you work for Verizon or AT&T by some chance? Sorry, but with Root and some nicely placed Xposed modules, this persons phone or tablet would be more safe than anything g Verizon or AT &THE could conjure up. You are a dope! Lol! Seriously, go away. Bother another community. ?
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Don't Root your device? Don't check USB debugging? Seriously? That is your answer? Wow, do you work for Verizon or AT&T by some chance? Sorry, but with Root and some nicely placed Xposed modules, this persons phone or tablet would be more safe than anything g Verizon or AT &THE could conjure up. You are a dope! Lol! Seriously, go away. Bother another community. ?
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Pardon me but where does that come from ? Made me laugh. Since this is security forum, the first priority is security not your "nicely put xposed modules whatever that means". It is said many times by security experts rooting an android device removes a big portion of layer of security. I unfortunately don't work for AT&T or Verizon but i wish i worked for them for a nice salary.
This one is coming from the recognized developer and moderator of XDA Android Security forum. Someone who have exploited devices and found vulrenabiliies that you can't even dream of. Lets say i am a "dope" and you're the smart guy. Are jcase, steve kondik dopes as well ?
http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/secu...-have-android-settings-from-a-security-expert
http://www.dailytech.com/CyanogenMod+Creator+Tells+Android+Users+to+Rethink+Rooting/article33058.htm ( yeah, even steve kondik doesn't approve rooting for general users.
https://blog.kaspersky.com/rooting-and-jailbreaking/1979/ " Kasperksky a security platform well known for years are also against rooting.
Think again if you can who is the dope, now, go bother in your nicely put xposed modules forums for the sake of security. :good:
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Pardon me but where does that come from ? Made me laugh. Since this is security forum, the first priority is security not your "nicely put xposed modules whatever that means". It is said many times by security experts rooting an android device removes a big portion of layer of security. I unfortunately don't work for AT&T or Verizon but i wish i worked for them for a nice salary.
This one is coming from the recognized developer and moderator of XDA Android Security forum. Someone who have exploited devices and found vulrenabiliies that you can't even dream of. Lets say i am a "dope" and you're the smart guy. Are jcase, steve kondik dopes as well ?
http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/secu...-have-android-settings-from-a-security-expert
http://www.dailytech.com/CyanogenMod+Creator+Tells+Android+Users+to+Rethink+Rooting/article33058.htm ( yeah, even steve kondik doesn't approve rooting for general users.
https://blog.kaspersky.com/rooting-and-jailbreaking/1979/ " Kasperksky a security platform well known for years are also against rooting.
Think again if you can who is the dope, now, go bother in your nicely put xposed modules forums for the sake of security. :good:
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For a dope, I suppose that Root is a security risk. But, just because a device is not Rooted, does not mean it is secure by any stretch of the imagination. Truthfully, they are more unsecured if locked out from the user. That is, if the person is not a dope. What I am saying is that your advice, for the OP to take every update and not Root, was not really that helpful. If the OP installed an app that was a risk, then all the updates and non Root, will not help them. Now, if you were to show them, that if they were to Root, and use certain apps and modules on their device. Then they could keep a better eye out for potential problems. But, even if they did as I just said. If the OP is being a dope, and installing apps that, let's say, they obtained from a torrent site. Then, well, dope would be a fitting title for them as well.
And, if those recognized developers stated that Root was not good at all. Then yes, dope would be a fitting application of the word. Root is only bad for those that are dopes.
I believe that you inadvertently called the OP a dope. You did not help them all that well. What you did was help them to get rid of the problem temporarily. Do we know who apps are on their device? It would be a good idea to know these things. Also, where did they get these apps from? Kind of a big deal there.
But, if you were wondering what it is that I am talking about in regards to xposed. Look it up.
http://repo.xposed.info/module/de.robv.android.xposed.installer
I suggest the OP do the same. As well as anyone else who is having g issues. Now, knowing about xposed and the modules that can accompany it. Will not fully protect anyone from blatant stupidity. Read, read, read. And practice safe device use. There are so many avenues to protecting g ones self. But a big one that anyone can do. Don't download from shady places. Though, it is even very possible to get in trouble from apps from the Play store. Knowing what apps are asking for what permissions is important. What bothered me about your post is that you in the same post, stated for them to unlock the bootloader and then, to not root. Verizon and AT&T are advocates of the no Root behavior. And that sickens me. As well as many others. Instead of helping g people to see the dangers. They are told to do the most simplest of tasks, not to Root. And that they would be fine. Absolutely and completely false and misleading. Now, and again, for a dope. I suppose this would be fine. Though, it is not helpful. Education into matters are. One needs to seek out the underlying issue first. Then attempt to educate. As far as calling you a dope, I do humbly apologize for my Choi e of words. You did not deserve that. It would have been just fine for me to build onto what you suggested. Which was good advice. So, I am sorry. And yes, I am very much a dope at times .
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For a dope, I suppose that Root is a security risk. But, just because a device is not Rooted, does not mean it is secure by any stretch of the imagination. Truthfully, they are more unsecured if locked out from the user. That is, if the person is not a dope. What I am saying is that your advice, for the OP to take every update and not Root, was not really that helpful. If the OP installed an app that was a risk, then all the updates and non Root, will not help them. Now, if you were to show them, that if they were to Root, and use certain apps and modules on their device. Then they could keep a better eye out for potential problems. But, even if they did as I just said. If the OP is being a dope, and installing apps that, let's say, they obtained from a torrent site. Then, well, dope would be a fitting title for them as well.
And, if those recognized developers stated that Root was not good at all. Then yes, dope would be a fitting application of the word. Root is only bad for those that are dopes.
I believe that you inadvertently called the OP a dope. You did not help them all that well. What you did was help them to get rid of the problem temporarily. Do we know who apps are on their device? It would be a good idea to know these things. Also, where did they get these apps from? Kind of a big deal there.
But, if you were wondering what it is that I am talking about in regards to xposed. Look it up.
http://repo.xposed.info/module/de.robv.android.xposed.installer
I suggest the OP do the same. As well as anyone else who is having g issues. Now, knowing about xposed and the modules that can accompany it. Will not fully protect anyone from blatant stupidity. Read, read, read. And practice safe device use. There are so many avenues to protecting g ones self. But a big one that anyone can do. Don't download from shady places. Though, it is even very possible to get in trouble from apps from the Play store. Knowing what apps are asking for what permissions is important. What bothered me about your post is that you in the same post, stated for them to unlock the bootloader and then, to not root. Verizon and AT&T are advocates of the no Root behavior. And that sickens me. As well as many others. Instead of helping g people to see the dangers. They are told to do the most simplest of tasks, not to Root. And that they would be fine. Absolutely and completely false and misleading. Now, and again, for a dope. I suppose this would be fine. Though, it is not helpful. Education into matters are. One needs to seek out the underlying issue first. Then attempt to educate. As far as calling you a dope, I do humbly apologize for my Choi e of words. You did not deserve that. It would have been just fine for me to build onto what you suggested. Which was good advice. So, I am sorry. And yes, I am very much a dope at times .
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Humble apology accepted.
You may not like AT&T and Verizon for their tight stance against rooting.I don't like that as well. They're filling their devices with their bloatware and excluding some very useful features from their customers like hotspot for free. However, Anyone who owns an operator variant of a specific device have already signed a contract with his operator already accepted their terms and that's why they get their bloated and controlled devices for cheaper prices in long term instead of paying full in cash. That said, i see nothing wrong with AT&T or Verizon's policy of keeping their devices locked to death since rooting would take a stake from their business and that was not their agreement with their customers. This is not the subject of this thread for sure. Should add, i see nothing wrong if a contracted owner a device wants to take full potencial out of it by rooting since it is the only way for them to get rid of bs in their devices. This is another discussion, not related to this thread.
I will use the word " regular user " instead of "dope" since nobody have to be knowledgeful about android security. Being someone without a clue of android security wouldn't make them a "dope". I currently sport a Moto Maxx, a bootloader unlockable variant of Verizon Droid Turbo sold in Brazil. I paid about 150$ more just to be free of Verizon Bloatware for the exact same hardware. I could have paid 150$ less and bought a Verizon Droid Turbo but i didn't just because i knew i would have Verizons' bs running in my phone every second. There used to be a time for me when rooting was a must with android because i used to own devices bloated with Motoblur, having low amount of ram and storage as well as unavailbility of disabling/deleting of unwanted apps. Now, i have 3gb of ram and 64gb storage with near Vanilla Android experience with my phone. I asked myself, what the heck do i need rooting for ? The answer was easy : nothing.
Lets say, android is an apartment, the root is the key to its door, xposed is the "watchdog" and hacker is the "thief". Would you keep the door unlocked and rely on a dog for its security ? I personally wouldn't do that cause the dogs can be fooled easily by a piece of meat and most importantly they have no responsibility at all. After all, It is just a dog serving for free without any responsibility. I couldn't ask for insurance as well cause i was the one who kept the door unlocked. I am also aware that any door can be opened without a key and the dog can be bypassed easily and the hacker can get whatever he wants. Things will happen if they're destined to be happen, we can't avoid some. Still, it is always our responsibility to keep the door locked in the first place and take counter measurements against. That was what i was pointing in my post.
Disabling USB debugging is the first thing one should do if there're concerns about security and this is not coming from a "dope" but security experts of android. :good:
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Lets say, android is an apartment, the root is the key to its door, xposed is the "watchdog" and hacker is the "thief". Would you keep the door unlocked and rely on a dog for its security ? I personally wouldn't do that cause the dogs can be fooled easily by a piece of meat and most importantly they have no responsibility at all. After all, It is just a dog serving for free without any responsibility. I couldn't ask for insurance as well cause i was the one who kept the door unlocked. I am also aware that any door can be opened without a key and the dog can be bypassed easily and the hacker can get whatever he wants. Things will happen if they're destined to be happen, we can't avoid some. Still, it is always our responsibility to keep the door locked in the first place and take counter measurements against. That was what i was pointing in my post.
Disabling USB debugging is the first thing one should do if there're concerns about security and this is not coming from a "dope" but security experts of android. :good:
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To show how ridiculously and persistently wrong you are, I am going to use your above example. If root is your key, then what you are doing is giving that key to Google and device manufacturer, while throwing your own copy away. In your own apartment, you are only allowed to go where google and verizon let you. This makes no sense whatsoever, unless the apartment owner is a real dope (no personal offence meant).
Disabling usb debugging also sounds like an aria from the same opera. If the device is on your person, this provides no additional security at all, as usb debugging is only relevant when your phone is connected to computer. If someone physically takes your device, it would take 10 seconds to enable debugging.
Root provides you an opportunity to control your device and restrict system apps, thereby reducing possibilities for hackers to take over your phone... As I have already mentioned before, every operating system provides root access to users. The only reason it is not done on smart phones is becase manufacturers, carriers and OS providers want to turn users into walking advertising beacon-dopes. Again, no offence meant...
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To show how ridiculously and persistently wrong you are, I am going to use your above example. If root is your key, then what you are doing is giving that key to Google and device manufacturer, while throwing your own copy away. In your own apartment, you are only allowed to go where google and verizon let you. This makes no sense whatsoever, unless the apartment owner is a real dope (no personal offence meant).
Disabling usb debugging also sounds like an aria from the same opera. If the device is on your person, this provides no additional security at all, as usb debugging is only relevant when your phone is connected to computer. If someone physically takes your device, it would take 10 seconds to enable debugging.
Root provides you an opportunity to control your device and restrict system apps, thereby reducing possibilities for hackers to take over your phone... As I have already mentioned before, every operating system provides root access to users. The only reason it is not done on smart phones is becase manufacturers, carriers and OS providers want to turn users into walking advertising beacon-dopes. Again, no offence meant...
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I see your point, respect it but disagree. Your example doesn't really work with my logic since you're putting players like Google/Verizon in the same league with an hacker. Yes, they for sure have control over their software since they're the one who created Android and offered the hardware along with an oem in the first place. These big companies are not like 3rd party devs who are irresponsible for any their actions.. If you happen to have sensetive privacy trust issues with Google, leave any android device out, you wouldn't even use google search in your pc.
A hacker having pyshical access to a device who would enable USB debugging in 5 seconds. is this what we're really talking about ? Anyone who have a device in hand doesn't need to be a hacker to get data from it. Have a coffee with the target sitting next to to him, memorize his passcode Done. Another way is to flash twrp and give some adb shell commands to bypass any lockscreen code. Done. USB debugging ON help with apk rooters and computer based root exploits as well.They rely on usb debugging to be on. You're hacked in no time.
I just can't trust any 3rd party dev more than my device manufacturer / operating system provider and network provider. I think the same for you like you're persistently and ridiciolusly wrong by giving too much credit to some unknown sources instead of those who have an actual business address. :good:
Just kiss each other already or dont say anything.
This thread is made by someone who needs help and you two both are taking it off topic instead of helping him. Now out of respect for that user, stop this endless conversation.
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I see your point, respect it but disagree. Your example doesn't really work with my logic since you're putting players like Google/Verizon in the same league with an hacker. Yes, they for sure have control over their software since they're the one who created Android and offered the hardware along with an oem in the first place. These big companies are not like 3rd party devs who are irresponsible for any their actions.. If you happen to have sensetive privacy trust issues with Google, leave any android device out, you wouldn't even use google search in your pc.
A hacker having pyshical access to a device who would enable USB debugging in 5 seconds. is this what we're really talking about ? Anyone who have a device in hand doesn't need to be a hacker to get data from it. Have a coffee with the target sitting next to to him, memorize his passcode Done. Another way is to flash twrp and give some adb shell commands to bypass any lockscreen code. Done. USB debugging ON help with apk rooters and computer based root exploits as well.They rely on usb debugging to be on. You're hacked in no time.
I just can't trust any 3rd party dev more than my device manufacturer / operating system provider and network provider. I think the same for you like you're persistently and ridiciolusly wrong by giving too much credit to some unknown sources instead of those who have an actual business address. :good:
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This is not about respect, disrespect or disagreements. The facts (not opinions) remain: every operating system on Earth provides root or administrative privileges to users. However, it is not given to the same user when he turns to a smartphone. There is no security reason whatsoever why a user has root on computer and no root on a smartphone.
As I have already said, there are plenty of non-security reasons for the above: the main one being to prevent the user from removing advertising junk and spying malware inserted there by manufacturers, carriers and software providers. Kids love it (above three) and Mother (NSA) approves...
Every argument against root invalidates itself when applied to computer OS: remember the user is the same.
@its the peanut
Please stop patronizing. This is a security discussion thread and we discuss security, which is beneficial to the poor guy, the OP... :silly:
Semseddin, what do you do to stop fastboot?
rooting and knowledge go hand in hand, the OP states device is rooted, but sounds like hasn't got the interest to know what's behind the process. that is why we don't have the slightest piece of evidence that his device has been compromised. just the users opinion that it has.
having su and adb debugging at least allows them to logcat.