Cyanogenmod 10 Problem p920 - LG Optimus 3D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbO6zCdJNEM

I think it's because you were from ICS ! All user had ICS have the same problem.

If you were on ICS downgrade with BOOTV21E , when cwm starts factory reset, boot android, go to settings,format internal SD, reboot in cwm, install CM zip with modified boot.img, install gapps zip, get in download mode and flash v21a fls or any other compatible baseband.
That's it.

I've already done the downgrade! Then I followed this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2037287 ... and finally I installed the V21A (bin and fls)

xbsall said:
If you were on ICS downgrade with BOOTV21E , when cwm starts factory reset, boot android, go to settings,format internal SD, reboot in cwm, install CM zip with modified boot.img, install gapps zip, get in download mode and flash v21a fls or any other compatible baseband.
That's it.
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can you give me CM.zip with modified boot.img

Hey guys I have the same exact issue, did you solve it? Can you make a tutorial? Thanks.

fabersantucci said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbO6zCdJNEM
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u can only flash cm10 with nontouch recovery
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pota-- said:
u can only flash cm10 with nontouch recovery
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Hi Pota,
I have for the first time installed the latest CM10 using CWM (no-touch) but.... after instalation the phone don't pass the LG logo.
in CWM I have wipe cache and data.
the Rom installed was GB 21E and never have installed ICS.
What am I missing to make CM10 work?
Thanks

Related

CM10 on my O3D

Hello,
I've just rooted my phone and got cwm recovery, but I just tried to flash CM10 and I got no phone signal, what should I do now? I've read the tutorial of flashing another kdz file.
Here is my phone's information: stock gb rom v21e, rooted, with cwm recovery installed by rom manager.
Million thanks!
khngkaho said:
Hello,
I've just rooted my phone and got cwm recovery, but I just tried to flash CM10 and I got no phone signal, what should I do now? I've read the tutorial of flashing another kdz file.
Here is my phone's information: stock gb rom v21e, rooted, with cwm recovery installed by rom manager.
Million thanks!
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flash berni x-loader and u-boot
OptimusRs said:
flash berni x-loader and u-boot
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No, i dont think that is his problem. Bernies files are for those who have been on ics. He obviously has not.
You should instead flash another baseband. I know ricardo says it isnt baseband related but it is. My cm10 was fine on 21a baseband and then i flashed 21e and the phone got no signal and rebooted all the time.
Try to flash baseband 18a.fls as that seems to work for most of us with lg flashtool
That is not true. There are a lot of us who have never been to ics and still had to flash bernie's files. After flashing bernie's files you can use any baseband. (I'm using v21e).
So just flash bernies files and you're good to go.
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This bernie's files gives headache , you can't find place where to download it, all the link they post in here is dead end,it sound so difficult on how to use it, there is no steps on how to use it ,so there is no other method to get ICS or CM10 to work on your phone without bernie's files?
Just a question, , what is the diffrence between berni's files and rebooter files ??(in the resurrection guide) . I used bernis's files to downgrade and rebooter files to downgrade . They are the loaders and I'm sure they are the same ,, but rebooter is much easier and the files within it .
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bensmokie said:
This bernie's files gives headache , you can't find place where to download it, all the link they post in here is dead end,it sound so difficult on how to use it, there is no steps on how to use it ,so there is no other method to get ICS or CM10 to work on your phone without bernie's files?
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take a look
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2037287
ICS from xbsall work for me without berni files (stable), CM10 too, but with many restarts and freezes.
krija said:
take a look
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2037287
ICS from xbsall work for me without berni files (stable), CM10 too, but with many restarts and freezes.
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Bernies files are not for ICS
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Thanks for your help and I'm really successful. I've got 21a now and CM10 on my phone now.
One of my friend told me I have to use wkpark's tool (uboot/omap4boot) and I googled it. Here's what I done and I know that's stupid but I wish someone could help because my phone should be bricked now.
First I got 21a flashed on my phone.
I flashed cm10 and gapps.
Then my friend told me about wkpark's tool.
I googled it and downloaded, then when that tool asks fastboot device? I chose N and replaced the two image to my phone.
What happened now is, once I turn my phone on it shows up a LG logo with a little word 'fastboot v0.5' on top, my phone do nothing now.
Could someone provide help? Million thanks!
xbsall said:
Bernies files are not for ICS
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yes, i know. bensmokie wanted another flashing method for your ICS port, but it´s not needed.

TWRP

Hey guys i am having little problem to get TWRP to run my device. the thing is like this I have flashed the ICS P920/P925 SU760 XBSA ICS 4.0.4 Custom Full 3D ROM so i would like to Flash the V5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1963847
but we all know that it need to be with TWRP then it will work so 2days now i been searching way on how to install twrp so i come up with this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808585 i tried this with a terminal app, but after it done it shows me this as on my screen shot.
but nothing happen to my device no TRWP was installed anywa please any one please tell me if there is another way to install TWRP. so i can flash the version .
My Device is already ROOTED by the way.
That Recovery is for GB :/
You need this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33809758
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TMProduct1onZ said:
That Recovery is for GB :/
You need this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33809758
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Thanks mate, i fallow that guide and it works fine although i had little hard time to do it, and for some reason when i flash TWRP Recovery my phone goes to boot loop and at the end i decide to flash CWM recovery and it work fine, and i flashed the V5 of XBSALL its all done now. so THANK YOU.

[Q] Can't install any ROM

Hi guys! I've been trying to install CM and JellyBam but I couldn't. I could only install stock roms
I have a rooted phone with CWM recovery
I followed every step to install a ROM: wipe data, wipe cache, even wipe dalvik, then installed ROM from SD card.
Some help, please?
santipuig said:
Hi guys! I've been trying to install CM and JellyBam but I couldn't. I could only install stock roms
I have a rooted phone with CWM recovery
I followed every step to install a ROM: wipe data, wipe cache, even wipe dalvik, then installed ROM from SD card.
Some help, please?
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I always get a bootloop
Have you tried doing the wipes after you installed the roms
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Yes I did. Also I tried installing again the same ROM and wiped the data.
You need to flash bernie's files before installing any CM based rom.
dcoelho said:
You need to flash bernie's files before installing any CM based rom.
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Actually I want to install JellyBam ROM. Do I also need to flash bernie's files in order to install this rom?
Where can I find them?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35199371
try that link.
Can you explain me why I have to downgrade in order to install a custom Rom?
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You're not actually downgrading...you're just flashing a baseband to get cm compatible. Ignore the posy name. Its the method you follow
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Ok I'll try

[tool] [bootloaders] wkpark 1.25a and ICS [flashable zip] [adb installation]

Flashable zip
If you don't want to mess with fastboot i made this script for flashing Wkpark's bootloader from recovery. It is umodified wkpark's boot and all credits give to him, i just made script.
It is tested only on original non touch CWM recovery 6.0.1.9, but it should work on all cwm recovery.
Flashing loader is always dangerous, no matter is it done from kdz, bin, fastboot or with this zip and if you brick your phone i'm not responsible, you are doing this at your own risk.
Basically with this you can install/upgrade from GB to ICS 28B without connecting phone to PC:
1. Reboot recovery
2. install this zip: http://d-h.st/bqj (V30A) or this: http://d-h.st/x7t (v28B)
3. install bootloader from this thread
4. [optional] install root: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1903752
5. [optional] for better performance install iodak's kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069166
6. reboot and enjoy
If phone does not start pull out battery and try again.
Adb tools links and changelog.
Phone must be rooted before using adb tools.
02/04/2013 Added stock 30A bootloader
Link: http://d-h.st/aqV
19/03/2013 Added option for flashing original ics bootloader using ADB tools
It will flash gpt1, x-boot, u-boot and original recovery. It will not delete any data.
Original bootloader works only with stock kernel!!!
Link: http://d-h.st/Ci8
15/03/2013 Added installation script using ADB
It will work on any rooted device (GB, CM10, ICS28b).
Connect phone with adb enabled in settings. Unpack zip from this thread. Start runme.bat.
Choose 1 for flashing only loader
Choose 2 for flashing loader and recovery.
Link: http://d-h.st/P7N
Credits: wkpark, iodak, samno, gazhead, rest of xda, many thanks for their great work
Re: Wkpark's bootloader 1.25a flashable zip
zogu said:
If you don't want to mess with fastboot i made this script for flashing Wkpark's bootloader from recovery. It is umodified wkpark's boot and all credits give to him, i just made script.
It is tested only on original non touch CWM recovery 6.0.1.9, but it should work on all cwm recovery.
Flashing loader is always dangerous, no matter is it done from kdz, bin, fastboot or with this zip and if you brick your phone i'm not responsible, you are doing this at your own risk.
Basically with this you can install/upgrade from GB to ICS 28B without connecting phone to PC:
1. Reboot recovery
2. install this zip: http://d-h.st/x7t
3. install bootloader from this thread
4. [optional] install root: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1903752
5. [optional] for better performance install iodak's kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069166
6. reboot and enjoy
If phone does not start pull out battery and try again.
Credits: wkpark, iodak, samno, gazhead, rest of xda, many thanks for their great work
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This sounds realy amazing. Good work. Thank you.
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Re: Wkpark's bootloader 1.25a flashable zip
Stupid question, but to install recovery dont you have to be rooted?
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zogu said:
1. Reboot recovery
2. install this zip: http://d-h.st/x7t
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This is possible with XBSA V7 only at the moment I guess.
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SickRaider said:
Stupid question, but to install recovery dont you have to be rooted?
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With a custom and open bootloader, u dont need root for installing recovery.
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CM10
Sorry for the Dummy question,but i read a lot of topics where is said''install Wkpark bootloader to fix freezeing on Cm10(Camera,youtube etc.)
Well will this work on CM10? And also you are telling me that i can install this bootloader and then flash the Bin of v28B with smartflash and i will have a working ICS?will will this work with XBsall V7.1 zip
It will work on any rom, it is totally independent from rom. Of course, ported ics or rooted 28b can't work without this loader and this is not for this roms.
how to check if my bootloader is open? Or it is not important?
And Did you tried your method
CWM recovery or Stock recovery should be used?
After install the Boot125a.zip i will lost root right
Sorry for the stupid questions and spamming,but i really don't want to brick my device.
My device is Rooted(Is that a problem),21A ,Jellybam,also have flashed Bernies files
MasterRazor said:
how to check if my bootloader is open? Or it is not important?
And Did you tried your method
CWM recovery or Stock recovery should be used?
Sorry for the stupid questions and spamming,but i really don't want to brick my device.
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Tried on my device, doble checked cwm log before uploaded. You just need working cwm recovery and you can flash any rom after flashing loader: gb, cm10 and derivates, xsball v7...
You will not loose root and recovery.
Thanks a lot dude it worked.:highfive:
Holy jeez, this has been a great time saver! Works great, thanks mate
Re: Wkpark's bootloader 1.25a flashable zip
zogu said:
Tried on my device, doble checked cwm log before uploaded. You just need working cwm recovery and you can flash any rom after flashing loader: gb, cm10 and derivates, xsball v7...
You will not loose root and recovery.
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OK I'm on cm10 right now. I already have the 1.25 boot loader installed from fast boot. So really I can flash xbasalls v7 ROM right now and it should run? Correct? Or do I have to flash your zip with 1.25?
Never mind I understand now. I have to load the 28b update then the 1.25 boot loader.
One question though. what if the 28b bb does not work for me?
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Re: Wkpark's bootloader 1.25a flashable zip
OK this worked. But when I loaded the 28b I had no service and it keep freezing and rebooting. Was able to restore back to cm10 with service. Is there something I missed to get service?
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billy8362 said:
I already have the 1.25 boot loader installed from fast boot. So really I can flash xbasalls v7 ROM right now and it should run? Correct? Or do I have to flash your zip with 1.25?
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If you already have wkpark loader you don't need to flash it again.
billy8362 said:
OK this worked. But when I loaded the 28b I had no service and it keep freezing and rebooting. Was able to restore back to cm10 with service. Is there something I missed to get service?
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Did you wipe data/cache? Maybe is BB issue, i don't know which baseband works with 28b, most of them works.
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Yes wiped all caches and data. I'm on v20p bb. Guess it does not work with 28b. Will try changing bb.
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billy8362 said:
Yes wiped all caches and data. I'm on v20p bb. Guess it does not work with 28b. Will try changing bb.
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Here is the link for 28b baseband:
http://d-h.st/AMi
You will probably lost imei when flash baseband.
Added adb installation method. It will work on any rooted device.
Re: Wkpark's bootloader 1.25a [flashable zip] [adb installation]
zogu said:
Here is the link for 28b baseband:
http://d-h.st/AMi
You will probably lost imei when flash baseband.
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Have to flash this with flash tool correct?
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Sorry stupid question...but if i'm on a rom based on V28b i need to make the first two steps? Or i can skip them?
Is this method change my BaseBand
I,m on GB 21A BaseBand is it work with V28b Rom

Galaxy fit white android text only not booting

Hi Guys
Im newer to this
I rooted my galaxy fit and then with the help of ROM manager I accessed CWM , then I tried to install custom ROM ,,, after rebooting phone stuck with white text android
Please simebody help me solve this
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Wipe data/reset
Wipe dalvik cache
Wipe cache
goto mounts & storage and format system
Flash the rom again
Wipe data
Reboot
Harpratap said:
Wipe data/reset
Wipe dalvik cache
Wipe cache
goto mounts & storage and format system
Flash the rom again
Wipe data
Reboot
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I did like u said
But no luck
Its still showing white android text in boot screen
Im able to go to download mod and recovery mod but I dont know whats happening ....
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glsnjoseph said:
I did like u said
But no luck
Its still showing white android text in boot screen
Im able to go to download mod and recovery mod but I dont know whats happening ....
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Have patience,wait for 10-15 minutes.
First of all, you shouldn't have used Rom manager. It bricks our device
Read the guide in the top of general section and install a proper recovery from odin.
Maybe the zip you have downloaded is corrupted. So download it again and try.
Make sure you are on official gingerbread(2.3.x) and not froyo(2.2)
If none of this works,there is something seriously wrong with your device.
But don't worry,you can flash stock via odin and revert back to factory state.
Harpratap said:
Have patience,wait for 10-15 minutes.
First of all, you shouldn't have used Rom manager. It bricks our device
Read the guide in the top of general section and install a proper recovery from odin.
Maybe the zip you have downloaded is corrupted. So download it again and try.
Make sure you are on official gingerbread(2.3.x) and not froyo(2.2)
If none of this works,there is something seriously wrong with your device.
But don't worry,you can flash stock via odin and revert back to factory state.
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First of all let me thankyou for support
I have tried 2-3ROMs but none of them works for me...
I searched a lot to find how to flash ROM via odin but unfortunately I didnt find anyn useful thread.
Can u send a link of odin flashing method ,
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glsnjoseph said:
First of all let me thankyou for support
I have tried 2-3ROMs but none of them works for me...
I searched a lot to find how to flash ROM via odin but unfortunately I didnt find anyn useful thread.
Can u send a link of odin flashing method ,
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1606380 -All in one guide (read it thoroughly)
^flashing stock rom
^flashing CWM
And try Jana rom,official cm7, minicm7 at first because they boot very fast
And you cannot flash roms via odin. Odin is only for flashing stock firmware and recovery
I read that with 4 file package we can flash ROM (Official ) via odin,
In my case do I need to flash official firmware and then try Custom ROM or not
Kindly send a link to download 4 file package of stock firware
Unable to download from samfirmware.com
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You can download sock firmware from SAMMOBILE site. It is an open source website where you can download all samsung phone's official stock firmware.
Hit thanks if I help
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glsnjoseph said:
I read that with 4 file package we can flash ROM (Official ) via odin,
In my case do I need to flash official firmware and then try Custom ROM or not
Kindly send a link to download 4 file package of stock firware
Unable to download from samfirmware.com
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Link firmware with 4 files:
http://www.hotfile.com/dl/168101698/7eed3f5/S5670XWKTI_S5670DBTKT1_DBT.zip.html
The right click on ODIN and this:
Thanxs
I did iy with stock firmware downloaded from samfirmware.com
Now Im on syock firmware
Tried to install custom ROMS, but no luck still same problem android white text......
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glsnjoseph said:
Thanxs
I did iy with stock firmware downloaded from samfirmware.com
Now Im on syock firmware
Tried to install custom ROMS, but no luck still same problem android white text......
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Not say thanx hit thanx button.
Hit thanks if I help
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glsnjoseph said:
Thanxs
I did iy with stock firmware downloaded from samfirmware.com
Now Im on syock firmware
Tried to install custom ROMS, but no luck still same problem android white text......
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Which customize ROM?
For customize ROM you need with ODIN instal Clockwork Mod Recovery (CWM).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1339640
Now you can install custom ROM. Go in CWM and go on wipe data reset, wipe cashe partition in Advanced wipe dalvik cashe. Install ROM and again go on wipe data reset, wipe cashe partition and in Advanced, go on wipe dalvik cashe. Reboot phone. It need wait about 5 minutes for system up.
ZmisiS said:
Which customize ROM?
For customize ROM you need with ODIN instal Clockwork Mod Recovery (CWM).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1339640
Now you can install custom ROM. Go in CWM and go on wipe data reset, wipe cashe partition in Advanced wipe dalvik cashe. Install ROM and again go on wipe data reset, wipe cashe partition and in Advanced, go on wipe dalvik cashe. Reboot phone. It need wait about 5 minutes for system up.
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Dude I tried like that only , installed CWM with odin
But I have no idea whats wrong with my phone
I tried Jellybread and jana ROM but after flashing JanaROM its showed JanaROM boot image but nothing happened..
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glsnjoseph said:
Dude I tried like that only , installed CWM with odin
But I have no idea whats wrong with my phone
I tried Jellybread and jana ROM but after flashing JanaROM its showed JanaROM boot image but nothing happened..
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I don't know because I not used Jellybread, and not I used Jana ROM. I used CM10.1.4 from here:
http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/job/android/457/
glsnjoseph said:
Dude I tried like that only , installed CWM with odin
But I have no idea whats wrong with my phone
I tried Jellybread and jana ROM but after flashing JanaROM its showed JanaROM boot image but nothing happened..
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When u are flashing any custom rom over the stock rom for the 1st time then u *should* necessarily wipe /system otherwise you'll get hanged up forever on that android-text/boot-up screen.
Galaxy_Rohit said:
When u are flashing any custom rom over the stock rom for the 1st time then u *should* necessarily wipe /system otherwise you'll get hanged up forever on that android-text/boot-up screen.
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Actually I tried all the way dude
Googled a lot to find a solution but didnt find anything useful.
I tried to flash CM 10.1 but it shows booting but nothing else..
Only boot image ,,,,,,
But Im not ready to give up
Here I will explain the whole thing I did
1.I rooted my phone with help of update zip
2.I connected phone to computer in download mode and flashed CWM recovery via odin,, in that I selected ops tag and then one package with cwm.
3.after flashing CWM via odin , I entered into CWM mode by pressing Ok button +power on button.
4.I wiped data, cache, dalvik cache, formatted system
5.Install zip from sd card and selected my Custom ROM
6.AGAIN Wiped data, cache, , dalvikcache
7.Rebooted
Then It stucks in boot image or blank screen and sometimes in white android text...
Hope somebody can help me now
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glsnjoseph said:
Actually I tried all the way dude
Googled a lot to find a solution but didnt find anything useful.
I tried to flash CM 10.1 but it shows booting but nothing else..
Only boot image ,,,,,,
But Im not ready to give up
Here I will explain the whole thing I did
1.I rooted my phone with help of update zip
2.I connected phone to computer in download mode and flashed CWM recovery via odin,, in that I selected ops tag and then one package with cwm.
3.after flashing CWM via odin , I entered into CWM mode by pressing Ok button +power on button.
4.I wiped data, cache, dalvik cache, formatted system
5.Install zip from sd card and selected my Custom ROM
6.AGAIN Wiped data, cache, , dalvikcache
7.Rebooted
Then It stucks in boot image or blank screen and sometimes in white android text...
Hope somebody can help me now
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Stock ROM work on your phone?
Bro! Goto "mounts & storage" & select "format /system"...(if u haven't done yet). Then try flashing custom rom. & always use cwm recovery by tjstyles v5.0.2.7
Let's hope for the best...:thumbup:
Galaxy_Rohit said:
Bro! Goto "mounts & storage" & select "format /system"...(if u haven't done yet). Then try flashing custom rom. & always use cwm recovery by tjstyles v5.0.2.7
Let's hope for the best...:thumbup:
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Ya I have done that too
Formatted system from mounts and storage
Stock ROM works for me
Im on CWM 5.0.2.7
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glsnjoseph said:
Ya I have done that too
Formatted system from mounts and storage
Stock ROM works for me
Im on CWM 5.0.2.7
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Do this straight away:-
1. Flash Froyo 2.2.1(4 package) of ur country.
2. Then flash Gingerbread 2.3.6(one package) of ur country.
3. Then flash cwm via Odin.
4. Flash the custom rom thereafter.
Since it seems a bit complex issue, u need to try this to ensure zero errors.:sly: Btw u can try above steps in ur spare time.
As for me, I always try all methods that I know b4 concluding anything.

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