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These days smartphones have gotten plenty small to carry normally. so why don't they beef them up with a ginormous batt and make it a selling point?
I think the SGS is the smallest big screened smartphone. If they were to make it Evo sized, double the batt life and sell it as a completely different phone, that would be great! I mean I would think it would be some major bragging right to say "our phone has 200% the batt life of the next best phone".
10 hours of full 3G web browsing/GPS/video playback
70hrs+ of audio playback
on top of all that, maximum batt life deterioration over time will be null because you'll go through MANY fewer recharge cycles.
These phones are all great, but I'm a power user and I'm always fighting my batt. We should be able to have all the bells and whistles blowing at all times.
Thanks for your time/response
Edit: the new iPod has a 3400mah batt. Coupled with the "Peal" which turns the iPod into an iPhone (albeit an ugly one), you basically get an iPhone 4 with double the batt life in a similar sized package...
Edit: I'm dead wrong about the iPod's batt capacity as rajendra82 has pointed out. It was 3.4 watt hour, not 3.4 amp hours. Sorry (for the record, the iPod's batt would be terribly insufficient as a modern phone batt in a smartphone)
eatkabab said:
These days smartphones have gotten plenty small to carry normally. so why don't they beef them up with a ginormous batt and make it a selling point?
I think the SGS is the smallest big screened smartphone. If they were to make it Evo sized, double the batt life and sell it as a completely different phone, that would be great! I mean I would think it would be some major bragging right to say "our phone has 200% the batt life of the next best phone".
10 hours of full 3G web browsing/GPS/video playback
70hrs+ of audio playback
on top of all that, maximum batt life deterioration over time will be null because you'll go through MANY fewer recharge cycles.
These phones are all great, but I'm a power user and I'm always fighting my batt. We should be able to have all the bells and whistles blowing at all times.
Thanks for your time/response
Edit: the new iPod has a 3400mah batt. Coupled with the "Peal" which turns the iPod into an iPhone (albeit an ugly one), you basically get an iPhone 4 with double the batt life in a similar sized package... sigh...
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The new iPOD touch has a 3.44 Wh battery, which at 3.7 V translates to 929 mAh. The Samsung Captivate has a 5.55 Wh battery, which at 3.7 V translates to 1500 mAh. Since the battery capacity is directly proportional to the volume, a battery of 3000 mAh will be twice as big as our current battery. The biggest phones today (i.e., the EVO and Droid X) only ship with a 1300 mAh battery. 1500 mAH is plenty for this phone to get through the day. Battery life is typically rated at 1000 cycles, which is 3 years assuming a full day to go from 100% to 0%. You are likely to replace the phone in 3 years any way.
Our phones do have large batteries, and as long as you don't have a bad program, have the screen on super bright, or use it as a hot spot, the battery life is going to be good enough for nearly anyone.
The captivate has a HUGE percent of the volume dedicated to the battery already, without using a non standard (non rectangular prism) battery shape the phone thickness would need to greatly increase and have wasted space.
In simpler terms, when your battery is already good for the market, a thinner phone sells more than a marginal battery lfie increase.
What about weight? Does a bigger battery weigh significantly more?
I would love to have a bigger battery or one of those battery cases like my fiancee has for her iphone. I think the above comments are spot on, but i think what companies dont take into account is how much people use their phones for on a daily basis. I dont know about you, but I use my phone a hell of a lot during the day more so than what constitutes as 'just getting through the day'. If im lucky enough to make it through till the end of the day its skirting on the red. A backup battery would be awesome to have!
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The new iPOD touch has a 3.44 Wh battery, which at 3.7 V translates to 929 mAh.
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Sorry, I just realized that. I must have missed the details about the ipod power.
I understand that the captivate technically has the "best" battery, but I do not agree that it will last through the day. I'm using my phone regularly to look up information, text, Gtalk, and make many calls. The phone is dead by the time I get home around 6pm (days start around 7:30am).
the iPad has a "10 hour batt life". My sister has her iPad lying around the house but she and I are much more often on our phones, so why don't our phones have a 10 hour batt life? I think its kinda difficult to use the ipad for 10 hours in a single day seeing that people usually work too. My phone is used for productive purposes usually, so it is very easy to drain it in the 4.5hrs it lasts on any day (not to mention difficult to get through an 8hr plane ride and still have juice to find your way to the hotel when you land). Last I checked, a day was at least 8 hours, not 4.5.
I also realize that they would have to ditch the rectangle/cube form factor of the batt in order to fill the space of a larger case more efficiently (something the iphone takes advantage of). I have nothing against this (or the added weight) and I don't think any other power user would care either.
At the end of the day, a captivate thats as big and heavy as the Evo is a small compromise if it'll last ALL day long and I believe there is a significant market for Android+10hr batt. Unfortunately, the obvious response to that is that I'm wrong since it doesn't exist. So I guess I'm just a crazy person then
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Edit: I forgot to mention Virgin America has solved all flying problems with this nifty little thing called a power receptacle in each trio of seats.
There have been at least 10 different claims in the last 5-10 years from companys saying they've found a way to at least triple battery capacity.
so far none of them have made anything...
Have you ever seen those extended batteries that also replace the back cover? They look awful. It's great that the Captivate is so slim and light.
It's unlikely that enough people need that much power every day for manufacturers to implement a huge battery in every device.
Nevertheless, it would be great to have the option.
Third party batteries that replace the back cover haven't been designed by the manufacturer to take advantage of all the space available, they're just made afterwards for the (admittedly few) people who need to stay more than 12hrs without a power source.
If a manufacturer specifically made a phone to accomodate a larger battery, the uglyness+volume/duration ratio would be much better.
Imagine a qwerty slider with a large battery instead of the keyboard: you could live with the additional volume and you could go on for two full days without a powersource.
Personally I wouldn't ever make it without a car charger, I keep a spare battery around in case I need it and even carry a retractable microUSB as a key holder (I use my phone as a music player, the battery drains FAST).
I'm ok with that but a large capacity batt. would let me not have to care about how much juice I have left all the time, wich would be great.
eatkabab said:
At the end of the day, a captivate thats as big and heavy as the Evo is a small compromise if it'll last ALL day long and I believe there is a significant market for Android+10hr batt. Unfortunately, the obvious response to that is that I'm wrong since it doesn't exist. So I guess I'm just a crazy person then
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You're not crazy. I think about the smartphone battery problem all the time. It's by far the biggest drawback of a smartphone. Even if you are using it lightly, you still have to charge every night, that is smartphone 101. And yet, if my friend iwth a little feature phone texts me all day, and I text them back all day, there phone... is fine. They can bascially run it all day for three days before needing to charge when it's new. My Captivate (or any other smartphone)... constantly having the screen on? It would be begging for battery after hours. Now of course, we have vastly better batteries than the feature phone, it's just the smartphone is doing significantly more. But still, yes, there should be a way, possibly with non-rectangular batteries, to significantly (at least double) battery life at a not massive cost to form factor and size. And yes, I'm sure there is a market here as well.
Seido is in the development process for a 3200mA battery for the cappy. Won't be long before you can actually see what it looks like on their website
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This may be about the captivate battery life but I think some of u are crazy. I run the hybrid r3 rom on my phone and I use it for music; GPS; internet and everything else that is normal and my battery is garbage. I'm sorry but when I buy a phone it should not be dead by like 3 pm
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Bigger battery means more weight. Some manufacturers get a little more power out of the same physical size, but if you really want to double the battery, you double the size and double the weight.
Since the phones have no extra room inside, you wind up with a bigger phone.
All manufacturers are trying to balance size, weight and power. It is no coincidence that all the smartphones have near the same size battery.
ColbyRyptos said:
This may be about the captivate battery life but I think some of u are crazy. I run the hybrid r3 rom on my phone and I use it for music; GPS; internet and everything else that is normal and my battery is garbage. I'm sorry but when I buy a phone it should not be dead by like 3 pm
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This post pretty much leads me to believe more is going on than you're saying. With hybrid r3 I was getting two days with heavy usage, also gps isn't functional on that rom, so claiming to use it seems to be misinformed at best
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Seido is in the development process for a 3200mA battery for the cappy. Won't be long before you can actually see what it looks like on their website
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Seido might make some great batteries, but if the batt for the captivate is ANYTHING like the batt for the galaxy S, its absolutely retarded and WAY too big to be practical. They basically just extended the batt brick and extended the casing with it. With the same batt cover, they could have added a whole nother batt right next to the extended batt cuz of all the wasted space.
Not a viable solution IMO. A factory made phone that has a HUGE batt would be marginally larger than the current captivate because they can take advantage of a non-traditional form factor and all the space inside.
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Seido might make some great batteries, but if the batt for the captivate is ANYTHING like the batt for the galaxy S, its absolutely retarded and WAY too big to be practical. They basically just extended the batt brick and extended the casing with it. With the same batt cover, they could have added a whole nother batt right next to the extended batt cuz of all the wasted space.
Not a viable solution IMO. A factory made phone that has a HUGE batt would be marginally larger than the current captivate because they can take advantage of a non-traditional form factor and all the space inside.
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Our Captivate doesn't have any extra space, and even the Droid X has a battery of the same size. I am just not seeing the extra space for bigger battery. There is also the weight issue.
Now if maybe the new Dell Streak will give you a monster battery in that big thing.
i agree that a phone with a super battery pack would be nice. me and my friends would always talk about if we could make our own phones what we would want and i always said something that would give me nice battery life so the idea i came up with was this
by default most phones come with a 1500 mah battery
but why not add a non traditional form factor to the rest of the case adding battery to and around the phone like in the area around the camera in the front of the phone around the side of the phone kinda like some of this battery jackets we see coming out for the iphone 4
i think it would add maybe just a built more bulk to the phone i'm still using a tilt so i'm used to carryin a bulky phone
i've always been interested in seeing super cap or ultra cap tech being put into a smartphone figuring if we can't go all day with our battery at least let us be able to get a full charge with in a few minutes ya know
i see ultra and super cap tech starting to be put in remotes were you can charge it in 1 minute to 5 minutes and not have to charge it for two weeks that kinda tech in a cell would be lovely
I, for one, would give up the cool looking indent in the back of the captivate (where the metal cover is) if they would fill that space with battery. It wouldn't increase the size of the phone (much), wouldn't make it bulgy, and I could see it giving at least 50% better battery life.
Even if the phone was blobby, plenty of people are buying Droid phones, and those things are frikin' mon calamari cruisers.
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Our Captivate doesn't have any extra space, and even the Droid X has a battery of the same size. I am just not seeing the extra space for bigger battery. There is also the weight issue.
Now if maybe the new Dell Streak will give you a monster battery in that big thing.
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obviously they would have to make the phone a tad thicker and its already so light weight that adding double the batt weight would still keep it weighing less than an Evo
the Samsung Captivate battery is pretty beefy if you ask me, I don't know how they would fit a processor and other components in the phone if they got a bigger battery
http://www.cellularaccessory.com/eb145152yzbstd.html
Are all the batteries from the galaxy series the same?
Has any one tried it?
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http://www.cellularaccessory.com/eb145152yzbstd.html
Are all the batteries from the galaxy series the same?
Has any one tried it?
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It will probably fit, I don't doubt it but there seem to be a battery door as well and by the looks of it. Although it seems its for the fasinate only.
the fascinates battery fits but when ever I charge the phone, it says battery not detected, and the phone does not charge. more than likely you'd get the same error with the extended one.
all the galaxy s phones use the same 1500 mh battery i have the epic but i bought the battery sold for the vibrant and the have the same exact serial numbers on them.
says it needs a xl door
http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-EXTENDE...200369?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item255d7c0b31
http://cgi.ebay.com/2200mAh-Extende...226762?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item1c1473f04a
I just did a search for Samsung 2200mah and came up with a 3 page list of batteries and phones. I'd be completely fine with a thicker phone to get longer battery lfe.
I just did a search for Samsung 2200mah and came up with a 3 page list of batteries and phones. I'd be completely fine with a thicker phone to get longer battery lfe.
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has any1 tried these batteries?
I bet the batteries are fine, it's getting the door to fit back on being the next issue.
i ordered me one
now waiting for epic battery cover
Since the battery is thicker, you could halfass the cover by simply cutting an opening in it just enough that the battery could protrude from it and still allow the stock cover to snap on. Other than it being pretty, the battery hump would stick out less than the cover that is included on that eBay Fascinate link. Or maybe you could get really fancy by cutting off the bump from the Fascinate cover and epoxy it or something to your existing Epic cover.
As I'm sitting here writing this, I'm thinking about just doing it myself...dremel out the hump and epoxy it to the Epic cover, using enough epoxy to create a smooth transition lip instead of an actual bump, light sanding to clean up the epoxy work and then wrap it in some 3M Di-NOC carbon fiber graphics while I'm at it.
The ONLY problems I've ever heard with some of the aftermarket batteries (while I was on the Samsung Moment forums) was that occasionally people would get an incompatible battery warning on their phone, but could easily be resolved with a reset. Once you get yours, keep us posted how it works out. When I first got my phone, the battery was completely dead, but I was thankful. I read random stories (which are debatable) as to if battery conditioning is even necessary or if it even matters. Either way, I put my phone on the wall charger (faster than USB via a computer) and let it charge completely. I then ran about 4 streaming music apps at once to completely kill the battery, then did a nice slow charge on the PC. While I can't say if my battery life is good or bad compared to anyone else since everyones usage is different, at least I can say I tried to condition it. My point is that I've tested the life of batteries this way when swapping between older and newer batteries on my Treo as well. Charge them till their full, run a battery intensive app (streaming for example) and timed how long it took to die. I have Treo batteries that lasted as little as 1.75hrs and as much as 3.5hrs, so naturally I keep the 3.5 in there as much as possible. You could test your current battery vs the extended battery the same way. I chose streaming as my testing of choice since I stream music while working anyways, so it wasn't anything out of the ordinary...I'd just let it go until the music stopped, noted the time and swapped to the next battery. Maybe you could do the same to confirm the difference in life between the 1500 and 2200 battery, otherwise we'll never know.
On a side note, I like this cover http://cgi.ebay.com/3000mAh-Extende...788955?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5adbfc1b1b since it thickens the whole phone vs just adding a hump. That hump would just be constanly snagging the edge of my pocket everytime, hence why I wanted to make it a smooth transitional edge like I mentioned above. Also, this battery is 3000mah, 2x the stock Epic battery. Is the i9000 the same height and width as our batteries? It'd be an even larger hump, but twice the battery...hmmmm.
One thing to keep in mind about battery ratings is that it is dependent on discharge rate. A battery discharged at 1 c will have a different and lower apparent capacity than the same battery discharged at 0.1 c. Thus a larger battery benefits in two ways. Physical size and lowering of the c rate based on the same amp draw. This is where less reputable battery makers cheat. They will put an incredibly small load on a battery to achieve a higher rating.
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So, what's your point? How does one distinguish a good battery vs a bad battery then if we're going to try and test these?
I'm waiting for Seidio to release this battery. They have an extended battery for the Evo and it gets good reviews overall, as seen here. Super expensive and makes the phone super bulky though
Why wait for Seidio and their overpriced batteries? People have been buying the extended batteries for the Moment for years via eBay, so why would any of the Galaxy S line batteries be any different for the sub $20 range?
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So, what's your point? How does one distinguish a good battery vs a bad battery then if we're going to try and test these?
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The point is that unless they are giving you a physically larger battery, not to put too much faith in the MaH ratings of batteries. Especially ones out of china with no brand to speak of. The difference between a 1500mah and a 1700mah is likely in how they discharged to to rate it.
If you can find it, the C rate on discharge is a good indicator of quality in lithium batteries. Higher C rate discharge have lower internal resistance and are made with better materials. I'm not sure how likely you are to find the full specs on a phone battery.
In a test environment its not too difficult to figure out which is which. Put a temperature probe on it, and then put a high load on it. The one with the lowest temp is probably your best battery. (same size anyways)
Assuming the 2200mAH batteries are genuine Samsung OEM, I'd love to see one get tested by the guy at batteryboss.org to see how they rate under the same test conditions as the other batteries he's tested. If they end up being real, honest-to-god 2200mAH @ 250mA discharge, that would put them right on par capacity-wise with the average, much thicker no-name nominally-3500mAH Evo/Desire/Hero batteries from eBay. 1500 definitely isn't big enough, but a real 2200mAH battery with back that's large enough to accommodate it (preferably with a sculpted, rounded profile instead of a boxy pregnant lump) might be a nice alternative to a full-blown ~2800mAH-nominally-3200/3500mAH extended battery from Seidio.
In any case, I think it's been well established by now that the "extended" batteries that are the same size, but ~100mAH larger than stock, are almost a complete waste of money. Even when they DO last 30-60 minutes longer, you seriously have to question the sanity of spending so much for so little.
That said, I suspect that most of the cheap 2200mAH batteries that will eventually end up on eBay will end up testing out at around 1500mAH.
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The point is that unless they are giving you a physically larger battery, not to put too much faith in the MaH ratings of batteries. Especially ones out of china with no brand to speak of. The difference between a 1500mah and a 1700mah is likely in how they discharged to to rate it.
If you can find it, the C rate on discharge is a good indicator of quality in lithium batteries. Higher C rate discharge have lower internal resistance and are made with better materials. I'm not sure how likely you are to find the full specs on a phone battery.
In a test environment its not too difficult to figure out which is which. Put a temperature probe on it, and then put a high load on it. The one with the lowest temp is probably your best battery. (same size anyways)
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I think I got what you mean. Either way, both the 2200mah and 3000mah battery are incrementally large than the next vs the stock 1500mah battery, so I would assume that each battery will in fact store more of a charge.
has anyone tested whether these batteries work and charge normally? If they do work, you can grab a cheap hard case on ebay for 3 dollars and cut a hole through it for the battery. It will be ugly though, unless you figure out how to make it look nice
Why don't you go on Ebay and buy yourself a good extended battery 2800 mah and use your phone for 2 full days without charging? http://cgi.ebay.com/Sprint-Epic-4G-...450945198?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item1e5f7b74ae USA supplier, great guy and has excellent customer service.
kevinjmoore said:
Why don't you go on Ebay and buy yourself a good extended battery 2800 mah and use your phone for 2 full days without charging? http://cgi.ebay.com/Sprint-Epic-4G-...450945198?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item1e5f7b74ae USA supplier, great guy and has excellent customer service.
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Or save yourself 15 bucks and get this 3500mah battery and get 3 full days without charging.
http://cgi.ebay.com/3500mAh-Extende...Accessories&hash=item3cb2c4bb14#ht_4129wt_916
I spent less than $30 over at Amazon and got two 1900mAh batteries and a charger for them. The batteries say that they are for the Sensation but work perfectly for the MT4GS. I take lots of photos with my phone(30-40 daily),, send a 150 or more messages a day, surf, compose emails and have about an hour of total talk time per day. 2 Anker batteries takes me through the day without needing an outlet.
I can fully recommend these for our phone. I am in no way affiliated with Anker and did not know the name before I purchased the product.
UPDATE: These batteries are NOT A WIN! After a month and a half of intense usage, I am finding (with two separate batteries) that these may not get enough power to our phones and results in an error for the camera flash when no real error exists (except with the manufacture of this battery perhaps).
I am checking out new batteries. Will report back asap. I am recommending folks avoid Anker for now though. I'm still investigating this situation.
FYI: The exact error is "unable to use flash due to cold weather".
UPDATE: After a few days of trying to reproduce the flash error, I've had zero problems and lots of fun with my phone so I think we can chalk it up at most to a defective battery and not a systemic issue. I've been using the battery since with no problems. Enjoy your phones!
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http://www.amazon.com/Anker-1900mAh..._23?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1313683743&sr=1-23
That's the link to the one I just ordered, it shipped yesterday, should be here in another two days. I'll definitely review after I get it.
Anker batteries in the 1900 capacity have been recommended by several here so far, and I haven't heard anything negative about them except for:
One user reports that the fit is almost too snug in the battery case. Any words on this?
Other then that - they sound like a solid win, enough so that I bought one too.
I actually purchased the set that comes with two batteries as I bought my MT4GS on Craigslist and couldn't verify the integrity of the battery it came with. The batteries for the Sensation DO fit snug but it doesn't cause any problems. I spent 30 minutes looking at that aspect. Putting them in, taking them out.... The batteries last a good while (1900mAh) and the charger seems to work well after the initial charges which are a bit longer than normal (but not much longer).
One thing to look out for is that the charging prongs on the charger have a design I have not seen before. Since it is a universal charger from Anker they slide along a rail as so that they can be used to charge various HTC batteries which may have the charging port at various different points along the top of the battery. So like the G2 or the HD2 battery could be charged in the charger as well (I've done it) because you can move the charging prongs from left to right along this rail that they slide on. So you have to make sure that you have them lined up for the + and - port on the MT4GS battery so that you're getting a proper charge and not just sitting there wasting your time.
It's a small thing and not a problem. In fact, it might be a bonus for those who have other HTC devices that it can also charge.
Congrats on your purchase. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Chinese 3 battery combo with charger
I have been buying the spare batteries from Hong Kong/China with the slow ass battery charger for my past few devices. They are 10.95 delivered. The MT4GS and the Sensation are IDENTICAL. I spent 1 dollar more for the MT4GS and everything was exactly the same and there was no reference to MT4GS on either of the packages that arrived at the same time.
I can't complain. I always have my laptop bag with all of my techno gear spare 2A DC and AC chargers.
I can't not be connected?
Blue6IX said:
Anker batteries in the 1900 capacity have been recommended by several here so far, and I haven't heard anything negative about them except for:
One user reports that the fit is almost too snug in the battery case. Any words on this?
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It's definitely a tight fit, but it's not too bad -- it's not hard to pull out when you want to change the SIM or microSD card, for instance. It is tight enough that it doesn't fall out by itself very readily, though -- a couple days ago when I was experimenting with the carrier unlock and swapping SIM cards, I forgot to put the back of the phone* back on when I was done, and I carried the phone around for several hours without having the battery fall out or come loose. I even dropped the phone about 2.5 feet from my desk surface onto the non-carpeted floor and the battery didn't pop out.
So the fit is definitely snug -- much snugger than I'm used to in a phone battery, in fact -- and you have to press down to get the top to slide into place properly, but in my opinion it's a good thing, not a bad thing.
*That is, the "battery" cover, although it covers a lot more than just the battery, unlock my G2's battery cover, which I wish they had made the mT4GS's battery cover more like, but now I'm a bit off topic...
Good to know.
Mine came in today, and i'm watching the charge light turn purplish now as it goes from red to blue, so it should be real soon that it's done charging for the first time.
I think i'm going to restore my first solid CWM backup after rooting on my old battery, then wipe the battery stats file, power down, swap batteries, and power up to run it down. Hopefully this will get me a good calibration right off the bat.
I can't wait to start using it - this holding off until it's charged all the way the first time is killing me lol.
I'll report back in a few days how it works after the first 4-5 discharge cycles the package says it'll take to get my full capacity out of it.
Do you have to use the charger that comes with the battery to charge the battery or can you charge it as normal inside the phone? I would like to get a longer lasting battery but I certainly do not want to have to remove it from my phone every time I want to charge it.
No, it charges just fine inside the phone. The external charger is just in case you need to charge it outside the phone for some reason, like if you have two batteries and you want to charge both up for a long trip or something.
Awesome! Just picked up two MT4G Slides the other day and already I can see the battery life is going to be a potential issue. Coming from a Bold 9700 I knew I was going to run through the battery much faster, but I wasn't quite expecting this fast.
Okay, after my second day with the Anker 1900 battery, I am extremely impressed.
It's like a night and day difference. Honestly, my biggest concern was the heat issue. I noticed that my stock battery got pretty warm, and while not enough to burn me, was enough to impact the lifespan of the device and battery.
I had a theory that spreading the same amount of load over a greater range of discharge would produce less heat, and that has proven out to be true. Maybe the Anker battery is just made better, but more likely my theory was correct.
The Anker battery doesn't get anywhere near as warm with general use of the device as the stock battery did. Solid win there.
The amount of time I get with the battery before having to charge is already significantly increased, and I haven't fully broken it in yet. I'm no longer having to plan out where my next charge location is going to be and trying to ration my device usage to make sure I get to it. Now I can just go about my business without worrying about running out of juice.
Bonus points because now my stock battery is available as a backup, just in case - making the win that much sweeter.
Thanks to everyone who suggested this battery, it was definitely a great buy, and the price is unbeatable.
u think I can buy sume of those battery from amazon.com? I'm Italian, but I can't find shipping restriction section...
Good find. I might pick up one of these. Would really have liked the charger to be USB powered, though (or at least have a long cord) so I could set this on my desk next to my phone.
Evo 3d Battery
Has anyone tried the Evo 3d battery? It's rated at 1730mah and reportedly works just fine in the sensation.
ylam310 said:
Has anyone tried the Evo 3d battery? It's rated at 1730mah and reportedly works just fine in the sensation.
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I don't know if you'll find much traction for this - the anker battery has a higher capacity rating and lots of endorsement from people (myself included) who think it is a superior replacement for the stock battery.
I'd be curious, just to know, but I would recommend the anker 1900 battery for the sensation above anything else.
I wonder why you would want to know this?
Contacted Laptopmate (US Distributor of Anker) via Amazon's customer service. Turns out they have an Ebay store and an Amazon store.
Ebay store is MUCH cheaper. Found batteries and a charger for $15 less.
One thing this company does on both sites is "overlist" they will have the same product for $8.99, and $9.99 for example. I found the first eBay mt4gs battery was 11% off and listed at $14.99 with charger, I kept exploring and found it later for $11.99 - same item.
You also need to watch they have some other non-Anker batteries with varying capacity sizes that might be a bit less. YMMV.
Now just sitting back and waiting for them to arrive.
Will be picking this up for me and my friend (who has the sensation). Good find!
Just ordered two today! Can't wait...as I take lots of pictures and videos so it'll be refreshing to have fully charged batteries ready to go, on the gooooooo.....
Just so people know, it is a little bit bigger. I have a problem squeezing my body glove case on (but it does go on, barely). I'm just waiting for another case with more clearance so it fits.
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That bad? Jeez...
I need a case, otherwise this phone will be abused too much. It is an expensive piece of equipment.
On a side note, I've been trying my damned hardest to drain this thing for 6 hours, and I'm only at 50%. Highest brightness game playing and browsing, and 4G has been on the whole time. Plus, I took enough pictures of my gf to get her irritated.
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I spent days, even months trying to make my battery last longer and looking for portable chargers to carry around with me just incase I needed it.
I then realised I should just buy another battery, I have no idea why I had never thought of this before.
So a few months ago I purchased a refurbished genuine battery from eBay for only £4. The only problem now was the trouble of keeping one battery charged while using another. I then found a desktop charger which can charge the battery without the phone (link below)
I use this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battery-Desktop-Charger-Cable-HTC-DESIRE-HD-/290594769249
This one could also be very useful
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HTC-DESIR...DUAL-DOCK-STATION-STAND-DESKTOP-/320793954500
It will automatically stop charging the battery when full, but will still consume alot of electricity if left plugged in.
I've been using this method for about 6 months now with no problems whatsoever.
Now whenever my battery goes dead whilst I'm out, I just simple switch batteries and I have full charge again. It takes 2 minutes to swap batteries, no trouble at all, and a battery isn't too big to carry around, I keep mine in my back pocket or in my wallet.
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People want to have ONE piece.
They want to be able to charge the phone when it needs to be charged, but they don't want to look at the percentage every five minutes and fear that the battery will be dead after a day.
Thus they want a battery with more juice.
A lot of people have skins for their phones to protect it and keep the resell value high. Those people might even consider to buy a powerskin which would give them an extra 1500mAh (at a price of course, but that's price vs. convenience).
Others know how to preserve their preciously mAhs.
Normally the phone should drain your battery by 1% to 1.5% every hour. That means it can run in standby and wait for calls and texts for up to 4 days.
Since you normally use the phone at least a bit, you should be able to keep it running on one charge for two days.
The last resort is to keep multiple batteries.
It can happen that you forget the spare. It can happen that you forget to charge the spare. It can happen that it's just not possible to swap batteries because you are standing outside in the dark.
There are just so many points why you would want to try and extend your phones live before you carry around a spare.
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People want to have ONE piece.
They want to be able to charge the phone when it needs to be charged, but they don't want to look at the percentage every five minutes and fear that the battery will be dead after a day.
Thus they want a battery with more juice.
A lot of people have skins for their phones to protect it and keep the resell value high. Those people might even consider to buy a powerskin which would give them an extra 1500mAh (at a price of course, but that's price vs. convenience).
Others know how to preserve their preciously mAhs.
Normally the phone should drain your battery by 1% to 1.5% every hour. That means it can run in standby and wait for calls and texts for up to 4 days.
Since you normally use the phone at least a bit, you should be able to keep it running on one charge for two days.
The last resort is to keep multiple batteries.
It can happen that you forget the spare. It can happen that you forget to charge the spare. It can happen that it's just not possible to swap batteries because you are standing outside in the dark.
There are just so many points why you would want to try and extend your phones live before you carry around a spare.
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I prefer to carry a spare. Takes only a couple of hours to charge, and I always put it in my wallet straight after its charged. It's the cheapest option and imo its the best option. Better than a big bulky cover with a battery inside it that also costs a bomb.
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I want one battery too.
I bought mugen power 1500 mAh. It's better, but still not for all day heavy use...
So i order htc Evo 3d with 3600 extended mugen power battery with spare cover.
The external charger thing is awesome. I always have a fresh battery available. Super cheap too. I have 4 batteries, enough to leave one at work, in the car, and at home.
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The external charger thing is awesome. I always have a fresh battery available. Super cheap too. I have 4 batteries, enough to leave one at work, in the car, and at home.
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It does seem the easiest and the cheapest option. I tried larger batteries and portable chargers, but none of them would make the battery last as long as I needed it to.
But now having a spare battery with a desktop charger is the best option for me, it cost me less than £10 for the genuine battery and desktop charger, and all I have to do when my battery is dying, is simply replace the battery. Less than 2 minutes later I have full charge. It's not hard, and it's not expensive, I just don't understand why people chose very expensive, and less effective options when this seems the most effective as it's twice as much juice, and it's the cheapest option too, extremely cheap.
The only downside is if you forget to take the spare battery out with you, but I got used to putting it in my wallet or my jeans pocket straight after it has charged. Some people say it's a stupid option because you may forget to take it out with you, but I could argue saying people with portable chargers could forget to take them out with them too. The way I see it is, you get so used to not forgetting to take your phone out with you, everyone checks to make sure they have their phone with them before they go out, and after a week or 2 you finally get used to taking the battery out too. When I first got the spare battery I did sometimes forget to take it out with me, but after a week I got use to checking I had the battery with me, as well as the phone.
My checks are... Wallet, keys, phone, battery, go
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I bought a portable charger for £24 from Amazon, and it's proved really handy for me. It's a 7000mah Tecknet and can charge two devices at once as comes with loads of adapters. Although the spare battery is a good solution it's only a solution for that one device. A portable charger will also charge your back up or 2nd phone, mp3 player, and any other phone you buy in the future. It is as big as the phone so it's easily pocketable. I've considered carrying it in my boxers just to see the look on peoples faces when I unzip my jeans and plug my phone into my crotch. I've also been meaning to test exactly how many charges it does but it's at least 3.
major fecker said:
I bought a portable charger for £24 from Amazon, and it's proved really handy for me. It's a 7000mah Tecknet and can charge two devices at once as comes with loads of adapters. Although the spare battery is a good solution it's only a solution for that one device. A portable charger will also charge your back up or 2nd phone, mp3 player, and any other phone you buy in the future. It is as big as the phone so it's easily pocketable. I've considered carrying it in my boxers just to see the look on peoples faces when I unzip my jeans and plug my phone into my crotch. I've also been meaning to test exactly how many charges it does but it's at least 3.
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Yes, they are brilliant, I must admit. But spare battery is good for cheaper option. I did buy one of those portable chargers but it stopped working within 2 weeks so I didn't bother with another.
P.S. The thing about your crotch is kinda weird
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I've got a NewTrent 5000mAh power pack, and it's good for - about - 3 charges. Not easy to be precise about that, since no accumulator maintains and returns 100% of its capacity, but 5000mAh is more than enough.
I use it for mountainbiking when I want to record a track and also communicate my position for 4-7 hours, without having to stop, lose a few minutes and change batteries.
Different solutions will be valid for different needs, but this is easy to charge and easy to use.
And it cost me about €20 off Amazon, which is a lot less than an OEM/Mugen battery.
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it cost me about €20 off Amazon, which is a lot less than an OEM/Mugen battery.
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That's not a bad price. I'll take a look.
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I also got a spare (genuine desire hd battery ), its im my wallet, since i usually had so much crap in it i cant even its there.
Hey Guys!
I'm not sure if i am in a right place to put my question. If it's wrong i'm sorry and please move it!
Does anyone have an extra battery? I would like to buy another but i am a bit concerned if it's good or not.
This is the battery i'm talking about.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2450mAh-H...ltDomain_3&hash=item53eb13d89b#ht_4096wt_1110
Tylym said:
Hey Guys!
I'm not sure if i am in a right place to put my question. If it's wrong i'm sorry and please move it!
Does anyone have an extra battery? I would like to buy another but i am a bit concerned if it's good or not.
This is the battery i'm talking about.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2450mAh-H...ltDomain_3&hash=item53eb13d89b#ht_4096wt_1110
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Imagine you have a glass that can hold 1230 milliliter......now imagine you find a golden glass of the same size on ebay that says it can hold 2450 milliliter.
If you can imagine those things then you have just given yourself the answer...
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Imagine you have a glass that can hold 1230 milliliter......now imagine you find a golden glass of the same size on ebay that says it can hold 2450 milliliter.
If you can imagine those things then you have just given yourself the answer...
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And what about this one?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1930mAh-H...ltDomain_3&hash=item3a6ad2c86b#ht_2125wt_1139
Seems you couldn't imagine it....
Yes I thought But I have seen other solutions. I asked a question, thanks for making me helped but could have had more calm :|
Thanks!
The only battery that will increase capacity is the Mugen 1500mAh battery. There are a couple of threads already in this forum on this battery.
All the ebay batteries offering the world are, let's say, misleading the consumers.
The Mugen battery are less reliable, also even if its 1500mAh, it may discharge much quicker than our original battery.
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The Mugen battery are less reliable, also even if its 1500mAh, it may discharge much quicker than our original battery.
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How can it have more mAh than the original if it discharges quicker?
Maybe you should think about that for a bit.
Mugen battery has higher capacity!
and for my case, it lasts longer then stock batt.
I have a battery scenario that I'd like some input on, and hopefully I'm coming at this from an angle that is not entirely repetitive / redundant / already addressed ad nauseum.
My girlfriend and I lucked out, and our phones (mine a Sensation and hers an EVO 3D) use the same cells. We're not big on cable-charging our phones, and tend to just charge & swap in fresh batteries instead. We've bought countless "$2.50 ebay specials", and as you might expect, we've never been blown away by them. So, after reading up on this forum, I decided to do the label-removal-check, and indeed, a lot of our batteries are 1000mAh lipo packs inside a package that claims 1800mAh etc.
Here's where my question becomes NOT just another "choose the best battery" thread.
We're heading out next month for travels that may leave us without the ability to charge batteries/phones for weeks. We've got a few other external power solutions going on, but at the lowest level, I'd like to have a sizable stock of phone batteries (~10 or so) on hand. And while I'd love for those 10 cells to be Anker cells, our budget doesn't have space for that kind of expense. I'm grabbing an Anker for my day-to-day use back in reality, but for this trip, we need a handful of markedly less expensive cells.
What I'm looking for, are inexpensive cells, that don't completely suck.
I'd like a balance of cost and energy storage. Dollar per mAh, the $2.50 fake eBay cells are actually the best deal (when you consider a true capacity of 1000mAh for $2.50 versus 1900mAh for $15+). But I'm hoping that there's something that can reliably hit closer to the 1500mAh mark, without octupling the price. In my mind, $5 for 1500mAh would be more attractive than $2.50 for 1000mAh, or $15 for 1900mAh. Does anyone know of a cell / seller / brand / store that might be worth looking into?
Buy power banks they hold like 5000mah each which gives you 3-4 charges and then you can recharge the power bank or either for travelling get those cheap battery you bough before but make sure to get a ton of em youll run out of juice quickly..
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shahkam said:
Buy power banks they hold like 5000mah each which gives you 3-4 charges and then you can recharge the power bank or either for travelling get those cheap battery you bough before but make sure to get a ton of em youll run out of juice quickly.
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Yep, that's an awesome suggestion. That's already one of the external solutions I have planned. We've got a number of 18650-powered power banks that will hold out in a pinch. Choosing a battery cell for the phones is still a task I'm interested in doing intelligently though.
So.... with that said, I've decided to undertake a "Sensation Battery Comparison Research Project" (SBCRP) hehehe It occurred to me that it would be nice to take the guesswork out of battery comparisons. "Got 7 hours with moderate usage" can be a tough qualitative statement to compare, especially when everyone's idea of light and heavy usage is different. It occurred to me that I actually have a capacity metering device designed for measuring cell discharge. I had never used it, because in its stock configuration it only works for 2S or greater lithium ion packs. The device requires an external power supply in order to be able to work with single lithium ion cells. So last night I grabbed the soldering iron, and finally added one. Now I'm good to go with testing single lithium ion cells
Long story short, it's essentially a recording voltage and amperage meter, that discharges a cell and keeps track of the Ah in the process. The load (pictured on the right) is a chasis-mount 10 Ohm resistor soldered to the output leads of the capacity metering device. That results in a relatively slow discharge of around 300 to 400mA. The resistor (test load) is submerged in water for cooling purposes (it gets a little warm to the touch if just left out in open air).
Photo of setup: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1178644&stc=1&d=1341500289
TEST DATA:
I ran the first test last night. I'll keep chugging through the cells I have and adding them here. Or if people think this is useful data, I can create its own thread.
EDIT: Created its own thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28334916#post28334916
To be honest its just not legit that a 2.50$ battery would have 1800mah i mean the stock ones cost more its just obvious troll there.
What you could do : its a little bit expansive but it worth it get an anker battery and 2 power banks along whit your gold battery's if you do light usage you should get trough 2 weeks no problem perhaps ..
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shahkam said:
To be honest its just not legit that a 2.50$ battery would have 1800mah i mean the stock ones cost more its just obvious troll there.
What you could do : its a little bit expansive but it worth it get an anker battery and 2 power banks along whit your gold battery's if you do light usage you should get trough 2 weeks no problem perhaps ..
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I know. And we really shouldn't fault the cheapo batteries, it's not their fault These are just Lipo cells, and they cost what they cost. If you take a look at the energy density (and cost) of lipo cells used in hobby fields, then you'll quickly realize that $2.50 for a 1000mAh cell, of the size used in these packs, is actually a pretty remarkable value (even more remarkable when you consider the fact that these packs also have some circuitry in them).
I like your suggestion, and it echos much of what the plan was. But I'm still in the position of wanting to order some more cells. They're small and light and I'd still like to have 10 or so of them on hand to get us through 4 or 5 days without having to turn to the power bank.
Do you think other people would be interested in the kind of real-world discharge measurements I was doing above? Because if so, I'll put them in a new on-topic thread, and keep uploading photos/data after each battery I test. If not, I'll just keep the data here on paper.
Circling back to my original question, does anyone have a sense as to which cells might not be complete garbage? To make it simpler, I put together a collage of each (different) cell that came in under $10 shipped on eBay. I omitted a couple options that had watermarks on their photos (didn't want to give any sellers any undue publicity). But these seem like basically the selection of cells that are $3 to $10 shipped.
Honestly people wouldn't mind such an informative thread but I can assure you unless your not a battery fanatics it won't pick peoples interest I'm not trying to be mean here
But as I said you've got plenty of good information up there so why not make thread and perhaps it generates some more "thanks"
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