I used HTC's official unlock and my phone is unlocked, but has S-On. Is there a benefit to S-Off now that mine is unlocked? What is the difference between how the unlocks are? Sorry if i'm not making much sense, I'm new to this place and Android in general... I just got my sensation last week.
Welcome to Sensation
Don't worry, everyone's a noob at some point, I'm pretty much still a noob myself but as far as I understand it:
To this point you have unlocked your bootloader which simply allows the phone to boot with third-party software installed. In your phone there is a form of security check and the level of security is determined by whether you are S-ON or S-OFF. It's a flag at the radio level of your phone that checks images before they are allowed to be written to the system memory. So when you gain S-OFF, you gain unrestricted access to the NAND flash memory on your device, also known as root. With S-ON you can get temporary root but it's not guaranteed, with S-OFF you can get permanent root no matter what you flash.
Essentially gaining S-OFF permits superuser access to the phone, giving you control over all aspects of software and hardware.
If you like your phone the way it comes to you, all filled up with bloatware and stuck using only the latest version of Android that your carrier releases OTA, with a boring/crappy splash screen and boot animation (and so on and so forth ) then you have no real reason to get S-OFF.
If however you have seen some of the shiny ROMs put together by the devs here at XDA, or have a sweet custom splash screen you'd love to see every time you boot up the phone, or just like the idea of having complete control over YOUR phone and flashing what-the-hell-ever ROM/firmware/radio/other stuff you damn well please, then you should definitely consider rooting.
The disclaimer to all this is that if you aren't careful and don't thoroughly research what you're doing BEFORE you do it, you could brick your phone and give yourself some serious grief. The fact you're even asking this now is a point in your favour, there are far too many 'help me' posts on here from people who did something without bothering to try and understand it first. Knowledge is power and there's buckets of knowledge on this forum and others.
I'd suggest reading here and here at the very least.
Hope that helps
s-off means you may do anything with your phone,
you will lose warrenty at s-off gain it at s-on
as the other guy said if u want a nice toutch to your rom s-off it and install, if u want it still legal dont
Thanks for the info. I've been considering using an ICS OTA file on my HTC Sensation 4G, but the guides i've seen only mention S-OFF and nothing about the unlocked S-ON. I just can't wait for the official release!
On the other hand though, I also want to remove bloatware from this phone and found a script for such... but i can't seem to get any temp root method working. I'm not ready to jump off the deep end yet, but i'm tired of the unnecessary stuff.
I also couldn't wait for the official ICS release so I s-off, rooted, super CID, and flashed an ICS firmware and went to android revolution. Honestly, it's one of the best decisions Ive ever made. If you think your stock phone is running good right now, you'll be amazed when you flash it, it will run absolutely faster I tell you.
Though there are alot of risks doing all of that, it might brick your phone completely. So be very careful, read and understand everything if you're going to do all of those stuff.
Sent from revolutionized HTC Sensation ICS
HTC sensation stuck at boot
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
man+droid said:
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
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if you can boot into bootloader then you are not bricked
secondly what do you mean by juopunutbear.zip and from where?
edit:you said that you are already rooted
which means that you have unlocked bootloader from htcdev site am i right?
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
man+droid said:
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
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do this
install 4ext recovery
enable smartflash from it
flash the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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that's weird
did you perform a full wipe(from recovery) before flashing the rom?
also as long as you are on S-ON use 4ext recovery to flash the rom
and before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
if you have done all the above then use a ruu.exe to return to stock condition
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672425
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
man+droid said:
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
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i saw your post in the other thread
you managed to install 4ext
now try to flash a custom rom
before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
man+droid said:
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
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any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
ganeshp said:
any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
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Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
man+droid said:
Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
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no you are fine now
there is no problem with juopunutbear because now you have patched hboot which is unlocked
you are fine also with cwm recovery
but if you still want 4ext do only step 2 from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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might be a bad dl. Download it again and reflash or try a different rom.
ok guys need your help couse i am totally lost.
i have just bought desire s from a guy that had it rooted s-off and unlocked bootloader.
before i read everything in beginers guides i Flashed the official ICS rom.
so now the problem is i have no root, tried to flash it with recovery, but i got red triangle with ! in it.
Tried oneclickroot and it just hangs and when i trie HTC supertool v3 i get this image i added in attachments.......
and its still not rooted after restart.
Is there any way to just delete all and start all rooting unlocking from start. It sound stupid so i gues no.
Please some advise guys i am completely lost on this
Best advice: you started reading, but obviously didn't finish it. Keep reading till you know yourself what to do. Until you know - don't touch your phone, because you're not ready for it.
Have you tried reading the INDEX thread?
Try looking from some answers HERE
I am praying that someone can help me, today i think i have done something really stupid in that i am still new to flashing ROMS etc but have unlocked my bootloader through HTC DEV website, following the below link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861&highlight=hboot+1+27+flashing+rom
Anyway i did this a while ago and have had a few ROM's installed with no issues, for the past month i have been using the VIPER 1.4.1 ROM with no issues but experienced a big battery drain so i decided after a bit of investigation to install a new Kernal to replace the Bricked one that i already installed.
Anyway flashed a new kernal using the VENOM hub and the phone rebooted and this is where all my issues started it refused to go past the white HTC screen and will not boot the phone any further...............now i'm stuck!!!
I have been all over the web researching into how to fix this and have formatted my sd card stupidly as i have read that my backups would have fixed this but i deleted these files so now i am completley out of ideas as i cannot get past the white screen.
I have also tried reinstalling the ROM after a full wipe along with also reinstalling the Bricked kernal and also trying to install another ROM but still no luck.
I am able to boot the phone into recovery (4EXT) but after everything i do the phone will not go past the white screen.
I have tried looking through the many posts and done numerous searches but i cannot find anything to help me, i have even tried to reflash the boot.img using the cmd prompt but the HTC Sync software keeps failing as i have Windows 7 because it will not install "HTC Driver Installer 4.0.0.009".
Any help would be great as i really don't want to be the owner of an expensive paper weight, also i am still new and struggle with techy language if you can help me.
Also i would have tried to ask the qusetion on the Venom forum page but my XDA profile won't let me as i am usually a lerker because of my newness to flashing ROM's.
Cheers in advance if you can help me!!!
when you flashed the new kernel the only thing you had to do is flash the boot.img
now do this:
enable smartflash from 4ext and immediately flash the rom
rzr86 said:
when you flashed the new kernel the only thing you had to do is flash the boot.img
now do this:
enable smartflash from 4ext and immediately flash the rom
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Sorry i know i'm probably a pain but i can't seem to flash the boot.img no matter what i do, i have flashed the kernel but there is no where to flash the boot.img.
Can you tell me how to do this?
Noodles317 said:
Sorry i know i'm probably a pain but i can't seem to flash the boot.img no matter what i do, i have flashed the kernel but there is no where to flash the boot.img.
Can you tell me how to do this?
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Hi,
If you want the new windows 7 & 8 drivers,look HERE
Reboot the pc when updated.
Try just flashing ARHD ROM
This is nearer stock.
Do not add any fancy extras,just stock.
Go to 4 EXT recovery,enable smartflash,and flash ROM straight away.
If this does not work,you will have to consider a RUU.
Look HERE
malybru said:
Hi,
If you want the new windows 7 & 8 drivers,look HERE
Reboot the pc when updated.
Try just flashing ARHD ROM
This is nearer stock.
Do not add any fancy extras,just stock.
Go to 4 EXT recovery,enable smartflash,and flash ROM straight away.
If this does not work,you will have to consider a RUU.
Look HERE
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Thanks for all your help but i still can't get it to go beyond the HTC white screen no matter what i do.
Luckily i am near the end of my contract so have begun the process of picking my new phone as we speak a little earlier than i would have liked but i only have myself to blame!!
Why is my HTC One x (PROTOTYPE) stuck on ICS?
Hey guys, This is my first post ever on XDA so please forgive me if I sound like an idiot
I got hold of a HTC One x which was already had an unlocked bootloader, rooted and had CWM recovery installed. I was told that I have a prototype version of the one x. Anyway that is not issue. when I got the phone it was running android version 4.0.4 HTC Sense version 4.1 and I checked software update. The 3.14.401.27 OTA update was available so I proceeded with the update and after the reboot I found my phone stuck in a bootloop and the only way for me to sort it out was by restoring my nand back up from CWM. I really wanted the new Sense 5 UI and android jelly bean so I downloaded:
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_JB_45_S_hTC_Asia_TW_3.14.709.20_Rad io_5.1204.162.29_release_292865_signed.exe
My CID was HTC__621 thats why I downloaded that ruu but after flashing it not was I only stuck in a bootloop but also when I entered recovery mode it was just a blank black screen with the back lights on. I even flashed different versions of CWM recovery and TWRP which gave me the same black screen so I flashed the stock recovery.img which also gave me the same black screen. I thought me maybe a different Ruu would resolve this issue so I used 'JBFWTOOL21' to change my CID to '11111111' this allowed me to flash:
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_JB_45_S_HTC_Europe_3.14.401.27_Radi o_5.1204.162.29_release_298897_signed.exe
&
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_JB_45_S_HTC_Europe_3.14.401.31_R_Ra dio_5.1204.162.29_release_302015_signed.exe
After trying both these ruu's I still found my device stuck in a bootloop. Next I downloaded 'Endeavoru_CustomRUU' this contained a 'rom.zip' which I belive was a jelly bean rom and said it would update my image version to '3.14.401.31' after flashing this ruu, my phone booted up past the 'HTC Quietly Brilliant' screen but into a black screen but I could hear the boot sound and knew it booted up but it still gave me a black screen. barre in mind this was the only rom that booted up and didn't get stuck in a bootloop but the downside was I had no picture on the screen it was literally pitch black with the backlight on when it went past the 'HTC Quietly Brilliant' boot screen. I didn't even see the one x boot animation. I could only hear the boot up sound and once it was booted up the notification LED would flash I was receiving network settings from my operator. That was about it. I booted into recovery to see wether that worked but unfortunatelly it was also still giving me a black screen. The only thing I could boot into without a problem was 'power button + volume down' which booted into bootloader in which I chose 'fastboot' to flash all these roms.
At this point I thought my device was soft bricked so I gave it to my friends father who happened to really good with his IT skills. He managed to change my device's CID from 'HTC__621' to 'HTC__001' after doing so he downloaded this ruu and flashed it:
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.17.401.2_Radi o_2.1204.135.20_release_274900_signed.exe
This ruu turned out to work perfectly fine with my device. Everything functioned once again, the device was able to boot into recovery and boot normally without a hassle. I also discovered that this was the rom that I received my phone with which put me back to the start on android 4.0.4
I was really annoyed with the fact that I was stuck on ICS so I flashed the MaximusHD 21.1.0 rom and its boot.img which put me into a bootloop again. I also tried other custom roms such as Revolution and SD secxces which all put my phone in a bootloop even though I flashed their boot.img kernels. I knew that I required a hboot 1.33.0000 or above in order to flash jb roms so I used 'JBFWTOOL21' once again before flashing these custom roms to update my hboot from 1.12.0000 to 1.33.0000. so all these bootloops still occourd after doing all this and I just had to return back to ICS. barre in mind I only tried flashing JB roms as I want sense 5 so I don't know if a custom ics rom would work on my device as I havent tried it yet but I know for a full fact that none of the jb roms work on my device.
For those who are wondering here, I uploaded some pictures of my device just check the attachments. It has all the information you may want to know about my device (HTC One X PROTOTYPE).
I really hope someone can help me update to jelly bean and get sense 5 as I am frustrated from failing and being stuck in bootloops
If you read all of this I honestly appreciate it and Thank you for it, I hope you can help me!
Sorry to say it after you've written such a lengthy post, but you're in the wrong forum. This is the HTC One XL (at&t One x) forum, they're completely different phones. You'll need to ask in the HTC One X forum, we don't know enough about your phone here, sorry.
Sent from my Evita
Oh sorry about that :/
timmaaa said:
Sorry to say it after you've written such a lengthy post, but you're in the wrong forum. This is the HTC One XL (at&t One x) forum, they're completely different phones. You'll need to ask in the HTC One X forum, we don't know enough about your phone here, sorry.
Sent from my Evita
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Sorry about that I didn't notice that I posted in the wrong forum. Thank you for letting me know, I will repost this in the correct forum
No worries.
Sent from my Evita
so i got a htc sensation z710e and works fine, network unlocked.
i have a smart watch but the thing wont work on ics ONLY above so i decided to stick a custom rom on to bring me up to the required android version to use said watch.
my phone has the 127.000 hbooot and it says s on but unlocked above in pink after i ran windroid and unlocked bootloader, it also had root and cm recovery 5.2.0.2 or watever number it was.
so on i went to try and install a custom rom. 1st i did cm-9.1.0-pyramid and it just hung on the cm9 boot up screen THEN i did cm-12-20141205-UNOFFICIAL-pyramid and it goot error 0 so never did nothing. and lastly i tried revolution 1.03 and it was promising went thru all the installation buff and jargon and then same again just hangs on the htc boot logo.
before i install zip files i wipe dalvaik. battery and data i think its called.
i can still get into recovery and hboot but cannot for the life of me get a rom to boot and tbh its draining the life out of me as i havent done a android in yrs.
tried looking for odin and download mode but im unsure if htc has them?
p.s just tried a factory wipe and still the same. hanging at the htc screen.
and advice would be great as i REALLY dont wanna tell the wife i need another 50 qwid for a new phone. she wont be chuffed.
cheers.
UPDATE-- managed to install-rmk-pyramid-stock_ics_3.32.401.3-v1 all working,well apart from no bloody wifi!!. known fault?
so now i think i will have to gain s-off and then move on,,, ??
UPDATE-- managed to gain s-off and that seemed to fix the no wifi? ha,,,, but i had to re unlock the bootloader, also got supser cid
so now im s-off with unlocked bootloader and looking for jelly bean, i think ima go with http://cm-10.2-20131028-albinoman887-pyramid.zip/
hopefully il just eed to exit into recovery and flash and il be golden.... kinda glad nobody replied as it made me batter my own mind working it out
hi, it didnt boot before when u were s-on because u need to flash the boot.img after u flashed the rom. but u got sorted in the end. :thumbup: