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Hey xda ...new to the sensation ...wanna root and rom and have the new ota waiting to install ...now what should i do ..decline the system update or do it ???and should i unlock the bootloader through htc's website...???whats the best method for this device ??? Thanks in advance
strauss0829 said:
Hey xda ...new to the sensation ...wanna root and rom and have the new ota waiting to install ...now what should i do ..decline the system update or do it ???and should i unlock the bootloader through htc's website...???whats the best method for this device ??? Thanks in advance
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Best advice is to gain S-Off using http://revolutionary.io and that will give you the best option for rooting and flashing custom ROMs. The HTC is less flexible and more cumbersome to flash custom recoveries, Superuser and custom ROMs.
ok I have got S-Off and CWM installed ...anything else I should know about this particular phone or just back up and flash roms??
strauss0829 said:
ok I have got S-Off and CWM installed ...anything else I should know about this particular phone or just back up and flash roms??
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Some people have reported issues with the phone not charging when fully dead. The newest cwm is said to fix that issue. I haven't had that problem myself but just wanted to give you a heads up. Flash the newest cwm, back up ur stock rom, and flash away.
One thing I'm not clear about...
Does Google automatically reload all your apps? Nearly all of mine returned... apparently almost instantly. It seemed too fast for downloading, but maybe I just misjudged it looking at the pretty colors on the Insert Coin 2.3.5 =D
My first question is: is it possible to get the OTA update on a rooted phone?
The 2nd question is there something I can do to get the Software Update check work?
I realise that my first question may answer this one as well, it's only just that all of the other ROM's I've tried did at least seem to contact a checking service and come back with a response that No Updates have been found. This one just keeps waiting for a response and never gets one.
Want to at least try the official OTA ICS update from Vodafone UK if possible, without having to load a stock ROM and locking my phone again.
Thanks
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It has always been traditionally said not to apply an OTA on a rooted phone as, historically, it's caused nothing but problems. Whether the same is true now I can't say BUT I would not recommend it personally
do i need to uninstall only SU, or su and clockwork to install ota?
sorry for my bad english
thanks
CWM needs to go as well - you need the stock recovery
Thanks for the advice. I'll have to go stock if CM9 is a long way off. Or try 7.x again, although I'll really miss ICS.
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I think as long as you have stock recovery but are S-OFF; it shouldn't be an issue. I looked at some previous posts , albeit from the Evo forum and it seems to be fine. I could be wrong, though.
I keep seeing people post about being rooted and flashing the OTA update. Now someone please, please, please correct me if I am wrong, but when you flash as new ROM, unless you just flash a new system via ADB fastboot commands, you flash a new kernel and all every time you flash a new ROM. So therefor it does not matter if you are rooted cause the rooted kernel will be replaced with a new ROM. For those out there that do not know the kernel is contained in the boot.img of a ROM. Now in a s tock ROM it is. Of always named boot.img but it is still pretty much the same thing with maybe a little more than a custom TOM's would be. So please people stop wording about being rooted, it does not matter. If you are on the correct stock ROM and have the stock recovery you are good to go to flash and run the OTA. It does not matter if you are S-off or S-on either.
It does 100% matter as otherwise the SU app/binary will still be present and potentially cause issue to the 'stock' ROM. Go look at the Desire forums all over the net for examples as to why you shouldn't flash an OTA onto a rooted handset
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It does 100% matter as otherwise the SU app/binary will still be present and potentially cause issue to the 'stock' ROM. Go look at the Desire forums all over the net for examples as to why you shouldn't flash an OTA onto a rooted handset
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So as long as you're stock recovery, and stock ROM, but s-off, it shouldn't have any bearing whether or not you upgrade ota... Right?
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EddyOS said:
It does 100% matter as otherwise the SU app/binary will still be present and potentially cause issue to the 'stock' ROM. Go look at the Desire forums all over the net for examples as to why you shouldn't flash an OTA onto a rooted handset
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Ok I well look into this further when I get home from work. I have not looked at the Desire forums yet, bit I will later today. My question is though are the Desire users having to use the stock recovery, or has someone made a flashable .zip file for them of the OTA? If so this could have something to do with the troubles. Like I said I will check into this further this evening. I still say it should not as the kernel is replaced when you flash the OTA update, bit I could very well be wrong.
It's not that you can't do it, you can, it's just not recommended. By all means try it but should it go wrong flashing an RUU is all that would work
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EddyOS said:
It's not that you can't do it, you can, it's just not recommended. By all means try it but should it go wrong flashing an RUU is all that would work
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I totally understand what you are saying, but flashing stock is not the only way to fix it, it is just the easiest and most user friendly way to fix it. It is pretty much a one click fix, and that is because of the RUU it self. When you flash via a RUU the utility runs a Task 28 on the NAND memory first meaning the NAND is totally wipped, meaning all partitions, before the ROM is flashed. Now you can also use ADB to remove and reflash all partitions,Splash 1(mtdblock0), recovery(mtdblock1), boot(mtdblock2), system(mtdblock3). cache(mtdblock4), userdata(mtdblock5).
Now back to the question about being rooted, I still have not got home yet to get on my computer to look at the desire forums. Now from what I know root is acheived on the kernel level cause that is what root is. It allows for direct communication with the kernel, again correct me if I am wrong. Now I understand that Superuser app binaries would still be present if you flashed just the system. But if you flash a whole new ROM wich is what the OTA update does, then the kernel is replaced with the kerneel in the OTA update, which by is either a completely new kernel or a modified kernel that HTC has made to work with ICS. I have not had time to look into wich one it is, but from my experience of trying to help port the SDK of ICS to the Sensation it is probably a completely new kernel.
Anyway I will have to do some research on the differences between stock recoveries and custom recoveries. Specifically the processes the recoveries run when flashing a ROM from SD card, and just what all is in the OTA update files. Once I get to do this I will be more able to give a hard core answer to this question. Oh and thinks to the EddyOS for helping to get me back into digging around in ROM files and learning more about how Android works.
Edit: I totally forgot to mention JTAG, this is another way that you could fix the problem, all be it sort of a major over kill for the problem, but still a fix.
As the title states, I have a possible brick on my hands, the phone isn't mine and the person who uses it doesn't really mess with overclocking and such, it was running Miks rom GSM, and not overclocked (running at 1.18ghz) No overvolt either, it is an s-off device, before this it was a fully functional sensation.
Basically what i'm told is that the phone was in use and it just switched off.
No lights, no power, have tried three batteries, about 10 chargers, different usb cables, can't get to bootloader or recovery, adb won't recognise it, it appears to be just a dead phone, personally i'm guessing it's the mainboard but i thought i'd ask anyway, there are no signs of water damage or major droppage.
Popped over to dexters unbricking project but as i said the phone won't come on so it won't work.
As i said before it's not my phone, but i'd like to do a friend a favour if i could.
Any ideas?
Before anyone asks, I cannot get to the bootloader or recovery.
Many thanks.
Hope you get it working..but it's becoming quite common and no one seems to have any ideas. Mine did the same thing...and I just had the motherboard repaired!
Yeah, here is the other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1624293
On such a popular Rom it is a bit unsettling.
Is it firmware, radio, kernel, or rom?
I hadn't seen this many Sensations die like this back on Gingerbread.
I am not sure...seems to have happened on a few different ROMs...so maybe it's not a specific ROM? I just got mine back and rooted and S-off as I needed the root to unlock the simlock...but I am scared of installing any custom ROMs or radio etc....I am thinking maybe I'll just wait for the official t-mobile ICS update...
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Yeah, here is the other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1624293
On such a popular Rom it is a bit unsettling.
Is it firmware, radio, kernel, or rom?
I hadn't seen this many Sensations die like this back on Gingerbread.
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I'll be starting a thread to determine just that... I have my suspicions, but I'd like to know in one place what everyone was running.
I was running ARHD 6.6.2 Just flashed the ROM.. and seem to flash fine, able to boot up. Even reinstalled all the apps...then while calling...had this long tone from the phone...and phone was unresponsive...I pressed power button.. and it turned off.
The first time..it actually turned back on....so I thought maybe it's an issue with reinstalling the apps. Then when I called again...after 30sec-1 min...same tone again...then phone turned off and never turned on again...Battery was 100% charged.
I updated the correct firmware since I was already using insertcoin ICS ROM for a while before changing to ARHD 6.6.2
I am scared of installing a custom ROM now....I have rooted the phone again, S-off, Clockwork, superCID....but I am thinking maybe I should just wait for teh official update for ICS and leave it as that.
Can I just to OTA update when it comes out?
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Can I just to OTA update when it comes out?
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Change your CID back to T-MOB010 and you can...
FWIW, what kernel were you running when it took a dump?
I didn't install any custom kernel...I just installed the firmware as suggested.. and also the radio file that ARHD page says we should flash for T-mobile phones....
then flash the ROM as usual. Everything worked...the phone died while running the ROM.
So I need to change CID again to do OTA update? It's ok to leave it rooted, Clockwork, and S-off? Maybe I shouldn't have changed to super CID then?
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I didn't install any custom kernel...I just installed the firmware as suggested.. and also the radio file that ARHD page says we should flash for T-mobile phones....
then flash the ROM as usual. Everything worked...the phone died while running the ROM.
So I need to change CID again to do OTA update? It's ok to leave it rooted, Clockwork, and S-off? Maybe I shouldn't have changed to super CID then?
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You can leave it rooted and s-off (in fact you WANT to keep s-off), make sure your stock rom is un-modified, and you need to go back to stock recovery. If you leave superCID then it will not detect the update. It needs to refer to CID to find the correct update package for your device...
I haven't modify the Rom that's on here now. So stock recovery means removing clockwork ? And changing CID...is there a tutorial to do that?..
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I was running ARHD 6.6.2 Just flashed the ROM.. and seem to flash fine, able to boot up. Even reinstalled all the apps...then while calling...had this long tone from the phone...and phone was unresponsive...I pressed power button.. and it turned off.
The first time..it actually turned back on....so I thought maybe it's an issue with reinstalling the apps. Then when I called again...after 30sec-1 min...same tone again...then phone turned off and never turned on again...Battery was 100% charged.
I updated the correct firmware since I was already using insertcoin ICS ROM for a while before changing to ARHD 6.6.2
I am scared of installing a custom ROM now....I have rooted the phone again, S-off, Clockwork, superCID....but I am thinking maybe I should just wait for teh official update for ICS and leave it as that.
Can I just to OTA update when it comes out?
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Did you try flashing the new 6.6.4 ARID? Came out on May 6th
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another one with the same problem :S
namila007 said:
another one with the same problem :S
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But is it a HTC problem or a flashing custom stuff problem?
I don't know what I should do now...if I should just wait for ICS update...but now I'll have to remove superCID and somehow flash stock recovery or something
Hi.
So I am T-Mobile US. I am running GB with ROOT.
I want to update to ICS update which just came out.
I can't do OTA since it won't let me (since i am rooted?).
I went ahead and downloaded this official one from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1654347
Now here is my Q:
Should I just flash this ROM after putting it in my SD Card?
Should I wipe? Or can I keep all the data (which I prefer)?
Thanks a million!
You can't just flash that. You'll need the 3.32 firmware, preferably the T-Mobile version.
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You can't just flash that. You'll need the 3.32 firmware, preferably the T-Mobile version.
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Thanks so much. Will I find this here in the forums, or at T-Mobile site? Thanks
benyben123 said:
Thanks so much. Will I find this here in the forums, or at T-Mobile site? Thanks
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IF you want to do OTA update...you need to make sure your recovery, CID, and your current software is the one that's supported by T-mobile OTA. Not sure if you are running a custom GB or a stock one. But basically, if you're on stock but you just rooted it...it's fine to have it rooted...in fact you want to have it rooted and S-off before doing the update
Read this http://www.htcsensationforum.com/ht...to-downgrade-upgrade-gb-lt-gt-ics-a-tutorial/
There are also several post about it here. But bascially you need the software version that's supported by T-mobile for the update (they list those in their update info). So either you run a RUU to bring you to the stock version of these software...including stock recovery...and also change your CID back to T-mobile one...TMOB010 I think..but just double check.
IF all you've change is root and CID...then you just flash the stock recovery that's for the version of the stock software you have now and change the CID back to t-mobile..then it should work.
I had trouble initially but turns out the recovery file I had was probably not the correct version so it kept aborting. Worked fine after I flashed the right recovery.
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IF you want to do OTA update...you need to make sure your recovery, CID, and your current software is the one that's supported by T-mobile OTA. Not sure if you are running a custom GB or a stock one. But basically, if you're on stock but you just rooted it...it's fine to have it rooted...in fact you want to have it rooted and S-off before doing the update
Read this http://www.htcsensationforum.com/ht...to-downgrade-upgrade-gb-lt-gt-ics-a-tutorial/
There are also several post about it here. But bascially you need the software version that's supported by T-mobile for the update (they list those in their update info). So either you run a RUU to bring you to the stock version of these software...including stock recovery...and also change your CID back to T-mobile one...TMOB010 I think..but just double check.
IF all you've change is root and CID...then you just flash the stock recovery that's for the version of the stock software you have now and change the CID back to t-mobile..then it should work.
I had trouble initially but turns out the recovery file I had was probably not the correct version so it kept aborting. Worked fine after I flashed the right recovery.
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Wow thanks for your time. Too many things i here i don't even know what they mean. I guess I will just pass and stick to my GB. Safe way.
Thanks a lot
all you have to do is flash this file from recovery. it could not be any simpler. http://www.4shared.com/zip/34Y1RPQf/Sensation_33253114.html
you will lose some things like your settings but you will keep all your backed up apps and contacts.
Scrosler based cleanrom 4.0 off the 1.85 ruu, whereas the previous one was 1.88. I also noticed the Att one x resource Page no longer has a link for the 1.88 RUU. What gives? Did we discover that 1.88 is subpar? I thought everyone agreed 1.85 was junk?
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Scrosler based cleanrom 4.0 off the 1.85 ruu, whereas the previous one was 1.88. I also noticed the Att one x resource Page no longer has a link for the 1.88 RUU. What gives? Did we discover that 1.88 is subpar? I thought everyone agreed 1.85 was junk?
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Scott decided to base Cleanrom on 1.85 because It's the official firmware from AT&T. He said there are less problems and fewer tweaks necessary to make his changes work by using the "official" firmware for the phone he develops on.
Just thought that I'd point out my battery life was MUCH better on 1.88 while using CR DE 2.3. I wish I could find that version to download again.
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Scott decided to base Cleanrom on 1.85 because It's the official firmware from AT&T. He said there are less problems and fewer tweaks necessary to make his changes work by using the "official" firmware for the phone he develops on.
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I see, thanks for the info. I figured that I might be able to find the answer in one of the later pages of the ROM's thread, but that it might also be heinously difficult to locate.
Did he also mention why he's decided to go with odex? Is it for the same reason?
Odex is wicked fast.
Ignore me
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Odex is wicked fast.
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I agree.
Never knew there was a link to the [email protected] 1.88 leak can someone post it
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vdub804 said:
Never knew there was a link to the [email protected] 1.88 leak can someone post it
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there ISN'T an AT&T 1.88. That firmware is for the Asian HOXL
vdub804 said:
Never knew there was a link to the [email protected] 1.88 leak can someone post it
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You know, now that I think on it I don't actually know if a link was ever up. Is there an asian model that also uses S4? Answered right before me. And, weren't there grumblings about 1.85, or am I confusing myself..
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there ISN'T an AT&T 1.88. That firmware is for the Asian HOXL
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Thanks man I got excited for nothing
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gunnyman said:
Scott decided to base Cleanrom on 1.85 because It's the official firmware from AT&T. He said there are less problems and fewer tweaks necessary to make his changes work by using the "official" firmware for the phone he develops on.
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hey dude could you help me? i get a AT&T One XL i knew that the phone is rooted and unlocked i don't know what kind of method to unlocked the used (i received my phone and i just need to put my microSim on it)
i tried to update to the new version of the ICS 4.0.1 and HTC sense 4.1 without any success (yes its too sad) because when i tried to do it via OTA i get the message "we have determined that your phone may be running a modified version of its system software, etc, etc"
my android version is 4.0.4
HTC sense versio 4.0
Software Number 1.88.707.2
HTC SDK API level 4.11
HTC Extension Version 403_1_GA_4
i really appreciate your help
thanks in advance
fjej78 said:
i tried to update to the new version of the ICS 4.0.1 and HTC sense 4.1 without any success (yes its too sad) because when i tried to do it via OTA i get the message "we have determined that your phone may be running a modified version of its system software, etc, etc"
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Can't be said enough: Don't ever install an OTA on a rooted Android device.
At a minimum, you will lose root. You may also be stuck in a bootloop, or you may get stuck on an unrootable firmware (depending on what they updated, and what holes they plugged).
If you are already rooted and bootloader unlocked, flash one of the stock rooted ROMs here under "Stock Rooted": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
Not sure what 1.88 was updated to. But 2.23, 2.29, 2.33 are all very recent firmware builds (2.23 is Asian region for the carrier Singtel). Only difference is the carrier bloat, and you may need to manually enter the APN info for your carrier.
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Can't be said enough: Don't ever install an OTA on a rooted Android device.
At a minimum, you will lose root. You may also be stuck in a bootloop, or you may get stuck on an unrootable firmware (depending on what they updated, and what holes they plugged).
If you are already rooted and bootloader unlocked, flash one of the stock rooted ROMs here under "Stock Rooted": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
Not sure what 1.88 was updated to. But 2.23, 2.29, 2.33 are all very recent firmware builds (2.23 is Asian region for the carrier Singtel). Only difference is the carrier bloat, and you may need to manually enter the APN info for your carrier.
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Thanks for you quickly response, then if I remove the root of my phone, i will be able to update via OTA? I'm am a Rookie in this type of problems the only thing that i want its update my phone with the new version of ICS and HTC sense.
could you help me please?
Thanks in advance
fjej78 said:
Thanks for you quickly response, then if I remove the root of my phone, i will be able to update via OTA? I'm am a Rookie in this type of problems the only thing that i want its update my phone with the new version of ICS and HTC sense.
could you help me please?
Thanks in advance
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If you are a noob, the best thing to do is read read read, and find out:
-What root and flashing ROMs means, and whether you will want them.
-What firmware number the new OTA is, and what has been changed.
People get all excited about a new OTA, without even knowing what has been changed. Newer firmwares include a new hboot, which patches holes which allowed flashing kernels and radios. You may not want to update.
Also, root and unlocked bootloader are both good things. There is really no reason to give them up, just for the latest firmware. If its just the newest firmware you want, as I already mentioned, there are stock rooted ROMs in the Development forum that you can flash, and probably in less steps than unrooting and installing the OTA.
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If you are a noob, the best thing to do is read read read, and find out:
-What root and flashing ROMs means, and whether you will want them.
-What firmware number the new OTA is, and what has been changed.
People get all excited about a new OTA, without even knowing what has been changed. Newer firmwares include a new hboot, which patches holes which allowed flashing kernels and radios. You may not want to update.
Also, root and unlocked bootloader are both good things. There is really no reason to give them up, just for the latest firmware. If its just the newest firmware you want, as I already mentioned, there are stock rooted ROMs in the Development forum that you can flash, and probably in less steps than unrooting and installing the OTA.
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thanks and i started to read, in fact i tried to flashed my HOX with this stocked room "stock rooted 2.33.162.2 - odex/deodex and unsecure boot.img with init.d" using odex version but when the phone restarted the room wont boot then i think "i have a nice brick" could you help me i tried to post this problem in the develop section but i cant because i dont have he number of post to do it i dont know whats step i need to follow to bring from the death my phone
Did you factory reset and wipe cache and Dalvik before flashing?
Come to think of it, that's one reason that people like OTAs, they keep your user data (but that can often be a bad thing, as I've seen it mess up the performance for some people after the OTA). Also, wiping data is not really that big a deal. With Titanium Backup Pro, I'm up and running again in about 20 minutes after wiping data and flashing a new ROM.
Can you still get into hboot and recovery?
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thanks and i started to read, in fact i tried to flashed my HOX with this stocked room "stock rooted 2.33.162.2 - odex/deodex and unsecure boot.img with init.d" using odex version but when the phone restarted the room wont boot then i think "i have a nice brick" could you help me i tried to post this problem in the develop section but i cant because i dont have he number of post to do it i dont know whats step i need to follow to bring from the death my phone
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btw I dont know why if i connect the phone to the computer, HTCSync Detects the phone and shows me the information but the phone still death without boot
Also, what is the state of the phone. Do you have the white HTC screen at least?
fjej78 said:
thanks and i started to read, in fact i tried to flashed my HOX with this stocked room "stock rooted 2.33.162.2 - odex/deodex and unsecure boot.img with init.d" using odex version but when the phone restarted the room wont boot then i think "i have a nice brick" could you help me i tried to post this problem in the develop section but i cant because i dont have he number of post to do it i dont know whats step i need to follow to bring from the death my phone
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Did you factory reset and wipe cache and Dalvik before flashing?
Can you still get into hboot and recovery?
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i cant get into hboot or recovery (i tried with power button +volume)
and i just install the zip from sdcard and the end i wipe the cache and dalvik and fixed the permissions and when the phones started just shows me the white screen of htc and a thin yellow bar in the right side like if something is loading and suddenly turns of and its all