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I decided to buy the GSIII after hearing that Samsung had made a great phone, done a decent job of preventing the carriers from ruining the phone, and had become a top level member of the Linux foundation to boot!
But then I heard about the MHL connector scam - and that is one slimy move. Note that it is not only incompatible with the MHL standard, it is incompatible with other Samsung MHL cables. (If Samsung has issued some sort of clarification or explanation then please let me know.)
If I keep looking for perfection amongst the manufacturers I will never get a new phone, but I certainly don't want to simply turn a blind eye to this obnoxious move. If this is successful for Samsung, I can see them creating a fresh batch of incompatible connectors for every new device they create.
I was disappointed that Apple users never raised a fuss through all those years when Apple kept getting rated as the worst environmental offender in the Consumer Electronics industry, but one of the things that sets Android users apart from Apple users is the lack of blind brand loyalty.
So, is there an informal boycott of Samsung accessories afoot?
I guess I'm suggesting that the XDA community could discourage people from buying any of Samsung's "trick" accessories, including their fake MHL and PDMI connectors. I hope consumers will come to realize that, while Samsung makes great phones, their accessories are not a good choice, and I hope that Samsung will come to realize doing stuff like this isn't worth it.
Obviously, the less money they make from this slimy move the less likely they are to repeat it. The outcome is up to us.
[I'm posting in General forum rather then GSIII because I believe this issue - connectors, standards, and taking action - is of general relevance.]
Get ready for a horde of blind Samsung fanboys to flame you, they are just as bad as Apple fanboys. I actually read about this MHL issue. But at least they released the source code for their international device.
For me, personally, I think MHL adaptor is stupid, its clunky and inconvenient, too many wires involved. A dedicated microHDMI connector solution was better, but manufacturers abandoned it to save money because they have to put in another connector and pay royalty. I like the idea of the royalty free DisplayPort, but there is no micro version of it yet.
I'm probably not getting the SIII unless its price drops a lot since the Nexus is still the best phone software wise.
I'm imagining/wishing 2-3 years from now all phones will have a built in projector, but not sure how they'll keep it small.
An update - still appears that the port is a fake
I did my best to get an answer from the MHL Consortium but they would not respond - even to simple question such explaining how a consumer can distinugish an MHL compliant product. But it is a consortium, not a standards body - it represents member companies, not consumers, so I guess this is to be expected. The media types remain confused too.
I put together a quick website to try to inform consumers about this:
http://www.galaxymhl.com/
I believe that Android users are not the 'sheep' that iPhone users are (as evidenced by XDA itself) and I hope we can influence Samsung on this by encouraging consumers to not buy their 'fake' MHL accessories.
Even if Sammie just stops using the MHL branding with the phone and the accessories it will be a big improvement. As things stand, they are really undermining the standard.
Update!
I have received a complete explanation and have posted it there:
http://www.galaxymhl.com/
I'm pleased that, in the end, the advantages of the 11-pin MHL port on the SGS3 are significant enough to allay the initial suspicions that this was just about selling more accessories.
On the other hand, wow, was it ever a ton of work to get a clear explanation - would have thought they would have wanted to explain this clearly from the beginning. At the very least, I might have thought they would posted a clear explanation to a relevant wikipedia article once all the WTF articles started appearing.
It works for Galaxy W?
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PasqualeITA said:
It works for Galaxy W?
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I believe the Galaxy W does not support MHL.
Tomaxda said:
I have received a complete explanation and have posted it there:
I'm pleased that, in the end, the advantages of the 11-pin MHL port on the SGS3 are significant enough to allay the initial suspicions that this was just about selling more accessories.
On the other hand, wow, was it ever a ton of work to get a clear explanation - would have thought they would have wanted to explain this clearly from the beginning. At the very least, I might have thought they would posted a clear explanation to a relevant wikipedia article once all the WTF articles started appearing.
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Yes, finally I got it. So if I've understood it well, The official MHL adapter works fine to allow you HDTV signal (HDMI) and USB OTG at the same time but... every review I read says that the MHL adapter needs power in its microUSB connector, so has anyone tested if it is possible to get USB OTG in that connector fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed??
Thank you very much in advance!
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Yes, finally I got it. So if I've understood it well, The official MHL adapter works fine to allow you HDTV signal (HDMI) and USB OTG at the same time but... every review I read says that the MHL adapter needs power in its microUSB connector, so has anyone tested if it is possible to get USB OTG in that connector fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed??
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I don't have the actual adapter (was boycotting it) so I can't say anything concrete, but I believe that what you are saying conflicts with the explanation that I received. The Samsung adapter for the Galaxy SIII is supposed to be able to get its power from the phone - no need for power from a separate USB cable. The adapter in question is here:
http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-HDMI-EPL-3FHU-Samsung-Galaxy/dp/B0080CXSOU
Can you give me a link to one of these reviews that says otherwise?
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Can you give me a link to one of these reviews that says otherwise?
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Sure, here for example:
clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-mhlhdmi-adaptor
It says:
"Please note: For the MHL cable to work you will need to have it connected to mains power."
So I don't really know what to think...Maybe you can power it using a Hub...
At first when I saw the S3 MHL adapter I though in using this connection scheme:
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/mhlotg.png
But I've been told that this is not going to work. I have not tested it yet but maybe its a matter of the USB OTG cable used or one of them should not be OTG, I don't know. But I have not been able to find any website or review that shows both, USB OTG + MHL, wroking at the same time and for me that is suspicious...
EDIT: sorry for links but I'm not able to use them yet...Copy+Paste
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Sure, here for example:
clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-mhlhdmi-adaptor
It says:
"Please note: For the MHL cable to work you will need to have it connected to mains power."
So I don't really know what to think...Maybe you can power it using a Hub...
At first when I saw the S3 MHL adapter I though in using this connection scheme:
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/mhlotg.png
But I've been told that this is not going to work. I have not tested it yet but maybe its a matter of the USB OTG cable used or one of them should not be OTG, I don't know. But I have not been able to find any website or review that shows both, USB OTG + MHL, wroking at the same time and for me that is suspicious...
EDIT: sorry for links but I'm not able to use them yet...Copy+Paste
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Thanks for supplying that link. I will try to contact Clove to see whether perhaps they just added that disclaimer about needing power because past MHL adapters needed it.
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Thanks for supplying that link. I will try to contact Clove to see whether perhaps they just added that disclaimer about needing power because past MHL adapters needed it.
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I think it needs power in its microUSB female connector, but I wish it doesn't. Nobody has the MHL and the USB OTG to make the test? Maybe the OTG cable should be connected to a USB hub in order to supply power also...I need to test that on my own, but the MHL cable has not arrived yet and Im getting holydays veeeery soon...
The whole mhl thing has put me off getting any adapter.
Does anybody know if the S3 has the capability of connection to a Widi adapter or all the companies developing a medfield platform just to go off and make propritary adapters??
FYI;
Intel claim widi for their phones only
http://software.intel.com/en-us/blo...splay-technology-on-ia-phones#comment-1641598
HTC have their own adapter;
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/htc-media-link-hd-review/
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-sense-4-complete-walkthrough
Generic stickers to further confuse us all;
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/19/wi-fi-alliance-announces-first-miracast-certified-devices/
I've been trying to connect but the phone only wants to shoot files at my Belkin adapter, no success.
If the galaxy S3 supports miracast should it work, maybe it will come with jelly bean...
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-lg-optimus-g-miracast/1003391/
I'm hugely confused!
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I've bought a Digitazz MHL To HDMI Adapter, but no mater which ROM I try, no matter whether I try to connect my Sensation to my laptop or my TV......nothing happens.
I don't get any notification on the phone, nothing on the TV...arghhh, the frustration.
I know the HDMI cable i'm using is fine, as links up to my freeview box ok, blu-ray player ok and my TV.
Phone is plugged in and show as charging when my phone is linked up to TV.....tried retarting phone, different Sense 3.6 Roms etc..nothing is working.
Am I not doing something, or it it prob just a case of cheap rubbish MHL to HDMI adapter I bought?
Just HTC versions of the adapter work?
any Ideas...be very much appreciated as i've tried everything.
cheers
Matt
Attached pics of the MHL to HDMI I'm using.
I used 2 types of non htc adapters, both worked.
What power supply did you connect to the adapter? I think only 1a 5v will work for mhl..
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In some roms HDMI will not work. Look in change log it will tell you if it's working or not. Usually its written in BUGS section. Check your current Rom to see if it's supported . If I remember correctly most don't work but you need to check and see if that could be the issue.
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In some roms HDMI will not work. Look in change log it will tell you if it's working or not. Usually its written in BUGS section. Check your current Rom to see if it's supported . If I remember correctly most don't work but you need to check and see if that could be the issue.
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MHL works on all the largely adopted roms, elegancia, ARHD etc.
Also, it's more a kernel thing than a rom actually.
The OP mentioned a couple of roms were tested. perhaps it would benefit the test to add stock as well just in case?
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I'm also struggling with MHL on my Sensation. After searching the internet, the few tips I picked up that worked for others are:
1. You need to plug in power via the extra micro-USB port on the MHL adapter. Some have said that it needs a high-current power source (1A) which the HTC charger produces. 3rd party USB chargers sometimes output a lower current which some people find causes their MHL not to work. Also, using MHL seems to drain battery pretty quick and you need a high-amp power source to keep the phone charged or prevent it from draining too quickly.
2. If it is the first time using MHL, try plugging in the MHL(USB) to the phone then rebooting the phone. This is supposed to make your phone recognize and "activate" the MHL/HDMI capability(?).
3. I also read about playing around with TV settings. For one user with a Sony Bravia TV, he had to go to the tv settings -> external inputs -> HDMI and turn off HDMI device control or something.
4. Not all Sensation ROMs support MHL, for example CyanogenMod.
In my case, I bought a 3rd party MHL adapter and it didn't work the first time even with power connected to MHL. Then after (2) above, I finally saw the HDMI logo appear on the notification bar and it worked pretty well in my first 10mins of experimenting...nice picture with sound too. Then I tried playing another video and this time there was no sound from the TV. So I unplugged and reconnected the MHL connector from my phone and ever since then I have not been able to get MHL to work I'm using ARHD 3.6.1 ROM so I'm not sure if that is the problem. Still looking for solutions...
You might want to make sure that your TV actually supports MHL as not all do. I can't see how a laptop would support it, most don't even have a HDMI input?
The most trouble I've ever had with MHL is the sound sometimes doesn't work, but just unplugging then replugging the phone cures this.
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In my case, I bought a 3rd party MHL adapter and it didn't work the first time even with power connected to MHL. Then after (2) above, I finally saw the HDMI logo appear on the notification bar and it worked pretty well in my first 10mins of experimenting...nice picture with sound too. Then I tried playing another video and this time there was no sound from the TV. So I unplugged and reconnected the MHL connector from my phone and ever since then I have not been able to get MHL to work I'm using ARHD 3.6.1 ROM so I'm not sure if that is the problem. Still looking for solutions...
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I finally managed to solve my MHL problem by flashing ARHD 3.6.8 ROM...so in my case it seemed to be the ROM version that didn't work well with MHL. It mirrors my phone screen pretty well although Sensation resolution is quarter-HD so on my HD TV the picture is less sharp, but acceptable.
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You might want to make sure that your TV actually supports MHL as not all do. I can't see how a laptop would support it, most don't even have a HDMI input?
The most trouble I've ever had with MHL is the sound sometimes doesn't work, but just unplugging then replugging the phone cures this.
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I have this same problem, my adapter works and shows on my phone that it connected but my TV does not support MHL as only certain TV's actually support this standard, and oh plus that fact that my current ROM doesnt support it
My Laptop has a HDMI connection and so does my HD TV....but didn't know the TV had to support MHL....I just thought it was a case of if it's a HD TV, with HDMI connections, then it would work?
Hmmm....I'm not getting ANYTHING in my notification area on my phone either though.
Gonna try some of these suggestions and will report back.
Ps: As far as Chargers and power sources etc...all mine are HTC Genuine ones.
Thanks for help guys....will be back soon, coz i'm off to experiment..hehe:laugh:
Matt
matthew33 said:
My Laptop has a HDMI connection and so does my HD TV....but didn't know the TV had to support MHL....I just thought it was a case of if it's a HD TV, with HDMI connections, then it would work?
Hmmm....I'm not getting ANYTHING in my notification area on my phone either though.
Gonna try some of these suggestions and will report back.
Ps: As far as Chargers and power sources etc...all mine are HTC Genuine ones.
Thanks for help guys....will be back soon, coz i'm off to experiment..hehe:laugh:
Matt
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Hope all goes well in your test's, My process was to power up the adapter first using my genuine htc charger first then plus in the HDMI cable from the adapter to the TV then plug the adapter into the phone last. If it does not show up on the phone notification bar to begin with restart your phone with it all still plugged in failing all of that then time for a new ROM and kernel probably Good luck
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Hope all goes well in your test's, My process was to power up the adapter first using my genuine htc charger first then plus in the HDMI cable from the adapter to the TV then plug the adapter into the phone last. If it does not show up on the phone notification bar to begin with restart your phone with it all still plugged in failing all of that then time for a new ROM and kernel probably Good luck
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Cheers for reply, but tried differerent Roms and kernels...nothing happening.
I give up.
Matt
I've got a similar problem where not matter what ICS ROM or kernel I used it wouldn't work.
(see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31797423&postcount=17)
However, in my case, it works fine with GB connected to a Sharp TV, but for some reason not ICS!
It also works fine with ICS connected to other TVs (tested on Samsung and LG) and on a PC monitor (through HDMI to DVI cable).
Just not with the Sharp TV!
Very frustrating!
hey guys, i have been trying to get this to work but all to no avail have tried the suggestions, all of the kernels i can find ect but i am just not having any luck. i am also not having any joy with usb-otg. could the 2 be linked?
Just a couple of thoughts. I've only skimmed the thread so I apologise if I'm repeating something mentioned earlier.
I can confirm that NRG's current EnergyROM which features a stock kernel and Sense 3.6 works with MHL (at the moment MHL doesn't work on any Sense 4 ROMs as far as I'm aware).
Also, I recently visited my folks and tried to show off some photos on their TV. For some reason MHL would only work on ONE of its four HDMI ports. I didn't have the time to figure out why, but there you go. Maybe those having difficulties could visit a tv shop and try plugging their phone into a variety of tvs for troubleshooting purposes.
Other things to note: On some TVs my MHL connection works at 720p and 60hz (which is good). On others it runs at 1080i at 24hz which makes for a crappy experience (jerky).
ICS ROMs have greatly improved performance when using MHL so steer clear of gingerbread.
MIUI ROMs should also support MHL (I've tried a couple).
Finally, I sometimes use a battery pack that I bought via Amazon to power the MHL connection when I'm out and about. If you decide to experiment this way, make sure you buy an external battery that has a 1 amp output per USB port.
I'm typing this with a bluetooth keyboard while my phone is connected to my tv, so it can work : ) I bought this MHL adapter: http://www.amazon.co.uk/FoneM8-MHL-Cable-microUSB-HDMI/dp/B0060Z8CYK
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hey guys, i have been trying to get this to work but all to no avail have tried the suggestions, all of the kernels i can find ect but i am just not having any luck. i am also not having any joy with usb-otg. could the 2 be linked?
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I've only tried USB on the go once, using a dedicated USB on the go cable for a Galaxy SII and a small externally powered four port hub in conjunction with Sebsatian FM's kernel and the most recent EnergyROM. I was able to browse a flash drive and connect a wireless keyboard and mouse. I couldn't really see the point as you can't use MHL at the same time, and you have to provide external power (unlike, for example, the Galaxy Note which will allow you to plug flash drives etc into the adapter without external power).
Ouzo said:
Just a couple of thoughts. I've only skimmed the thread so I apologise if I'm repeating something mentioned earlier.
I can confirm that NRG's current EnergyROM which features a stock kernel and Sense 3.6 works with MHL (at the moment MHL doesn't work on any Sense 4 ROMs as far as I'm aware).
Also, I recently visited my folks and tried to show off some photos on their TV. For some reason MHL would only work on ONE of its four HDMI ports. I didn't have the time to figure out why, but there you go. Maybe those having difficulties could visit a tv shop and try plugging their phone into a variety of tvs for troubleshooting purposes.
Other things to note: On some TVs my MHL connection works at 720p and 60hz (which is good). On others it runs at 1080i at 24hz which makes for a crappy experience (jerky).
ICS ROMs have greatly improved performance when using MHL so steer clear of gingerbread.
MIUI ROMs should also support MHL (I've tried a couple).
Finally, I sometimes use a battery pack that I bought via Amazon to power the MHL connection when I'm out and about. If you decide to experiment this way, make sure you buy an external battery that has a 1 amp output per USB port.
I'm typing this with a bluetooth keyboard while my phone is connected to my tv, so it can work : ) I bought this MHL adapter: http://www.amazon.co.uk/FoneM8-MHL-Cable-microUSB-HDMI/dp/B0060Z8CYK
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I've only tried USB on the go once, using a dedicated USB on the go cable for a Galaxy SII and a small externally powered four port hub in conjunction with Sebsatian FM's kernel and the most recent EnergyROM. I was able to browse a flash drive and connect a wireless keyboard and mouse. I couldn't really see the point as you can't use MHL at the same time, and you have to provide external power (unlike, for example, the Galaxy Note which will allow you to plug flash drives etc into the adapter without external power).
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thank you for your chip in pal but i am still having no joy, jumped straight to the latest energy rom, installed and hooked up but no joy. i have tried both ports, rebooting with the cable in, different power sources. nothing. im beginning to think its gonna be my phone i will test this out when i get into work, as we have a hd tv there as well (allowing i get the time ) but im starting to lose hope would be so epic to be able to put my emulators onto the big screen and have goldeneye mulitlpayer matches at lunch in work
heavy_metal_man said:
thank you for your chip in pal but i am still having no joy, jumped straight to the latest energy rom, installed and hooked up but no joy. i have tried both ports, rebooting with the cable in, different power sources. nothing. im beginning to think its gonna be my phone i will test this out when i get into work, as we have a hd tv there as well (allowing i get the time ) but im starting to lose hope would be so epic to be able to put my emulators onto the big screen and have goldeneye mulitlpayer matches at lunch in work
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That's weird. Got any mates with MHL enabled phones you can try your adapter on? I hate problems like this, they drive you mad and you end up doubting pretty much everything you've tried. Seriously though, you do realise MHL only works on the third Thursday of the month and if you wear underpants on your head, yeah? Oh, and stand on one leg ; ) Good luck.
Other than trying that different tv at work and possibly a different HDMI cable and MHL adapter, I'm not sure what else to suggest.
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That's weird. Got any mates with MHL enabled phones you can try your adapter on? I hate problems like this, they drive you mad and you end up doubting pretty much everything you've tried. Seriously though, you do realise MHL only works on the third Thursday of the month and if you wear underpants on your head, yeah? Oh, and stand on one leg ; ) Good luck.
Other than trying that different tv at work and possibly a different HDMI cable and MHL adapter, I'm not sure what else to suggest.
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its definately beginning to feel like that. my friend in work has an gs2, which i believe is mhl enabled. so tomorrow when i get into work i will try steal hm and the hdtv in work and see if i can get anywhere. at this point its either my £230 hdtv ()
my £360 phone () or my ****ty as mhl adapter from ebay /)
i guess we shall see tomorrow :/ will be gutted if its the phone. just out of interest has anyone got this going on the XE version of the sensation? as this is what i have.
still, thanks for your input bruce said that he is going to look into fixing the mhl on his CMX nightly, so if we can get this going i will be in emulator heaven
(off topic but XDA just censored me =0 automatically =O)
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its definately beginning to feel like that. my friend in work has an gs2, which i believe is mhl enabled. so tomorrow when i get into work i will try steal hm and the hdtv in work and see if i can get anywhere. at this point its either my £230 hdtv ()
my £360 phone () or my ****ty as mhl adapter from ebay /)
i guess we shall see tomorrow :/ will be gutted if its the phone. just out of interest has anyone got this going on the XE version of the sensation? as this is what i have.
still, thanks for your input bruce said that he is going to look into fixing the mhl on his CMX nightly, so if we can get this going i will be in emulator heaven
(off topic but XDA just censored me =0 automatically =O)
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The SII is definitely MHL enabled (well on the stock ROM at any rate) - I hope it doesn't work so at least then it's hopefully just a £10 mhl adapter and not the phone or tv ; )
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The SII is definitely MHL enabled (well on the stock ROM at any rate) - I hope it doesn't work so at least then it's hopefully just a £10 mhl adapter and not the phone or tv ; )
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OK so apparently plugging my phone in at work counts as theft of electricity and I can get sacked for it
So I may take longer to find a HDTV and another test device :banghead:
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heavy_metal_man said:
OK so apparently plugging my phone in at work counts as theft of electricity and I can get sacked for it
So I may take longer to find a HDTV and another test device :banghead:
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LOL, you must work for the NHS or local government or something. Still, you made my girlfriend and I laugh : ) Maybe try a Currys or a Richer Sounds or something. There's bound to be someone in there with a decent smartphone, and there will be plenty of TVs to try too! If they haven't got a clue what you're on about, you might just educate them a bit ; )
Does anyone have an idea whether its possible to use MHL + OTG with charging on the Skyrocket? Whether it be stock or an aftermarket rom/kernel doesn't matter. I can't seem to find a definitive answer on this phone, but I'm leaning toward not possible.
This is what I planned on ordering. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009LAZG2M/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I would assume since the MHL adapter puts the device in charge mode, it wouldn't read the attached usb device (if using a hub or y adapter) since it is not in Host mode. Any have any experiance with this or have any links they can provide. It would be much appreciated!
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Does anyone have an idea whether its possible to use MHL + OTG with charging on the Skyrocket? Whether it be stock or an aftermarket rom/kernel doesn't matter. I can't seem to find a definitive answer on this phone, but I'm leaning toward not possible.
This is what I planned on ordering. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009LAZG2M/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I would assume since the MHL adapter puts the device in charge mode, it wouldn't read the attached usb device (if using a hub or y adapter) since it is not in Host mode. Any have any experiance with this or have any links they can provide. It would be much appreciated!
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I have the same cable and mhl works as long add the rom supports it. As for your question I found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1741583&page=21 and on the last page there is a link for someone who got it to work on as3 however our phones have different pin configuration but you should be able to do the same thing as him
OTG while using MHL sounds like a great way to fry something important on your phone. it's clear the note 2 had something like this in mind with the smart dock. it looks like the smart dock works with the S3 so it could be that the way they designed the usb port it all just works as needed for this.
I'm interested in the usecase/motivation for doing both at the same time if you don't mind sharing.
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OTG while using MHL sounds like a great way to fry something important on your phone. it's clear the note 2 had something like this in mind with the smart dock. it looks like the smart dock works with the S3 so it could be that the way they designed the usb port it all just works as needed for this.
I'm interested in the usecase/motivation for doing both at the same time if you don't mind sharing.
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Well my Skyrocket screen was destroyed by my youngest son So, I had an idea to use the old phone with the MHL adapter to connect to my TV (which is not a smart TV). The need for the OTG is to plug in peripherals such as kb/mouse, but after further review, i could probably just use bluetooth. The device itself doesn't need to have much storage really, all of the movies are being streamed from my mini home server (DLNA).
So instead of going out and spending 60 on a smart TV adapater, I figured I would try to make use of what I already had, a phone with a broken screen. I'm not even sure the digitizer works and I was unable to find a replacement screen a decent price. The phone has already been replaced with a Nexus 4, so I'm not really concerned with the "safety" of the skyrocket.
I think it would be nice to use it as a TV adapter, surf net, play games watch movies while in bed using a wireless mouse/keyboard.
You would think there would already be something like this out there...
I came across this, then noticed their statement "Use Bluetooth keyboard for wireless control" Which really tells me no OTG... and heard was broken ha.
http://www.amazon.com/iBolt-Streamer-MHL-Charging-Dock/dp/tech-data/B0094M3DZY/ref=de_a_smtd
As the title says, I want to charge my Nexus 9 while using a keyboard/mouse and other peripherals that I would have connected to the Nexus 9 through a USB hub. I know it is not always possible to charge through the hub, so I was thinking about something like a 'micro USB splitter" that expands the micro-USB port into 2 micro-USB ports: one for the charger that comes with the Nexus 9, and the second port for a OTG cable/usb hub/etc. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I did read this post here for the Nexus 7 but not sure if the same is true for the Nexus 9.or if any additional options existed for the 9. Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if it is unrealistic to expect to find something that charges the device at the same time as using a hub/OTG cable without too much modding or hassle? My device is rooted and I've flashed some mods and tweaked some things on previous devices I've had, but am by no means an expert so I would hope to keep the hacking/modding for something like this to a minimum, if possible. Plus, there's an outside chance I may return the Nexus 9 in the next week so I wouldn't want to get too crazy until I knew for sure I'd be keeping it.
I understand that a specific kernel with certain capabilities may be needed, but I'm unsure how to find out which kernel would work and if it would be compatible with stock ROM or CM12 (when it comes out). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Even if it's a pipe dream, I'd at least know not to continue to waste my time looking for a solution that doesn't exist
I tried this one a few days ago but it did not work: https://sites.google.com/site/sonicboomworld/my-projects/otg-and-charging
Maybe it's possible with the right resistor value.
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Mod for Nexus 7 - needs kernel support:
https://mehrvarz.github.io/usb-host-mode-power-management-nexus7/
Thanks for the reply - is this kernel still being supported by the dev and is it confirmed working on Nexus 9?
I don't know as i do not own a Nexus 7.
But even if he still supports this kernel it would not help much for the Nexus 9:
A kernel is very hardware specific and the OTG changing issues is even more hardware specific.
There is absolutely no chance that you can simply use the N7 kernel on the N9.
One of the amazing kernel developers (who owns a N9) here at XDA would have to look at it.
Generally I think for "OTG + charging" to work the USB chipset on the device has to support it and/or you have to find out how you could trick the device into enabling this mode (with a certain resistor on the USB connector and/or with a kernel modification).
The bad thing is that no device seems to support the official "USB Accessory Charger Adapter" specification. (see section "OTG micro plugs" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go for details)
Just to give you more information, there was a nexus 7 kernel by flar2 called ElementalX which had OTG + charging support. He is working on ElementalX for Nexus 9 as well, and he said he may or may not add support for it. If you and maybe others are interested, I'm sure that it will get added upon request.
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As the title says, I want to charge my Nexus 9 while using a keyboard/mouse and other peripherals that I would have connected to the Nexus 9 through a USB hub. I know it is not always possible to charge through the hub, so I was thinking about something like a 'micro USB splitter" that expands the micro-USB port into 2 micro-USB ports: one for the charger that comes with the Nexus 9, and the second port for a OTG cable/usb hub/etc. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I did read this post here for the Nexus 7 but not sure if the same is true for the Nexus 9.or if any additional options existed for the 9. Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if it is unrealistic to expect to find something that charges the device at the same time as using a hub/OTG cable without too much modding or hassle? My device is rooted and I've flashed some mods and tweaked some things on previous devices I've had, but am by no means an expert so I would hope to keep the hacking/modding for something like this to a minimum, if possible. Plus, there's an outside chance I may return the Nexus 9 in the next week so I wouldn't want to get too crazy until I knew for sure I'd be keeping it.
I understand that a specific kernel with certain capabilities may be needed, but I'm unsure how to find out which kernel would work and if it would be compatible with stock ROM or CM12 (when it comes out). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Even if it's a pipe dream, I'd at least know not to continue to waste my time looking for a solution that doesn't exist
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The company I work for is developing a OTG cable that does exactly that: lets you charge your phone/tablet while using a USB peripheral.
We are testing it in the UK market currently, but not selling in the US at the moment. You can check it out here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sansys-Char...F8&qid=1417298449&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+otg+mlc
We were thinking about doing a kickstarter or indiegogo for it, but not sure the amount of interest in a niche device like this.
Can you confirm that it is working on the Nexus 9? (and/or the Nexus 5)?
If it is, I'll order one immediately. I've been looking for such a thing since I had my Galaxy S2.
lfrst05 said:
Can you confirm that it is working on the Nexus 9? (and/or the Nexus 5)?
If it is, I'll order one immediately. I've been looking for such a thing since I had my Galaxy S2.
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I can't confirm that it will work on the Nexus 9, but my partner from China is sending me a sample so I can try it out. I have a Nexus 9 and 5 also, and they'll be the first devices I will test it on.
We've also sent a couple out to some Youtube reviewers as well, so there may be a video review on them soon.
We just put up an Amazon US listing for this cable if any of you in the states want to try it out: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OLKFR44/
I should have one in hand in the middle of the week to test out.
mkygod said:
We just put up an Amazon US listing for this cable if any of you in the states want to try it out: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OLKFR44/
I should have one in hand in the middle of the week to test out.
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I'm really excited to get my hands on one of these! let me know if it works.
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I can't confirm that it will work on the Nexus 9, but my partner from China is sending me a sample so I can try it out. I have a Nexus 9 and 5 also, and they'll be the first devices I will test it on.
We've also sent a couple out to some Youtube reviewers as well, so there may be a video review on them soon.
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Sweet, this sounds awesome, let us know if it works :fingers-crossed:
mkygod said:
We just put up an Amazon US listing for this cable if any of you in the states want to try it out: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OLKFR44/
I should have one in hand in the middle of the week to test out.
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This arrived from Amazon today. Unfortunately I can't get it to work. When the micro usb is plugged into the N9 it lights up blue. At that point I'm able to mount a thumb drive, use a mouse and Playstation controller. But once the other end is plugged into a charger the light goes off and whatever is connected stops working. The N9 begins to charge at that point. If plugged into my PC, same thing.
Note: the blue light goes off when other end is plugged in regardless of if anything else is in use.
BTW, running elementalX kernel and Lollipopalooza rom.
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This arrived from Amazon today. Unfortunately I can't get it to work. When the micro usb is plugged into the N9 it lights up blue. At that point I'm able to mount a thumb drive, use a mouse and Playstation controller. But once the other end is plugged into a charger the light goes off and whatever is connected stops working. The N9 begins to charge at that point. If plugged into my PC, same thing.
Note: the blue light goes off when other end is plugged in regardless of if anything else is in use.
BTW, running elementalX kernel and Lollipopalooza rom.
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I've heard some people say in certain other situations with OTG + charge, you need to plug everything in first, then plug the OTG cable into the device. Try that and see if it works?
saadi03 said:
I've heard some people say in certain other situations with OTG + charge, you need to plug everything in first, then plug the OTG cable into the device. Try that and see if it works?
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Gave it a shot with this method but still a no go. Tried it on my phone as well with no luck.
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Gave it a shot with this method but still a no go. Tried it on my phone as well with no luck.
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Thats a bummer, thanks for the info.
Would we happen to need a kernel that supports simultaneous charging and data transfer? I bought a usb y cable and that only allows me to use one or the other. Which sucks .
Some devices have been known to work with only modified OTG cables such as galaxy tablets and experia phones.
What would this modification be?
I finally got a chance to test out these cables. I thought my first cable was busted so I ordered a 2nd one.
I'm VERY sorry to report that this cable does NOT support USB OTG AND CHARGING AT THE SAME TIME. It is not just your device.
Apparently, there was some miscommunication between me and by business associate in China that lead me to believe that this cable would function this way but it only functions as a USB OTG OR CHARGER CABLE. Language barrier didn't help since I do not speak Chinese and he does not speak English very well. If you read the description, the functionality of this cable is not very clear and obviously written by someone with English as a second language. And also, I can see how the photos can be misleading as well. He went and listed this product on our Amazon account to sell before he even sent me a sample for me to test out and I'm kinda mad at him for doing that.
I was pretty excited at the prospect of it doing OTG and charging at the same time, but now im dismayed that this cable cannot do it. This whole thing was a waste of time to try to bring a product like this to the US that bares little benefit other than being a 2 in 1 cable that can replace a regular USB OTG cable and a Charging cable (albeit a very short charging cable). Sorry that I got your hopes up guys
I do want to clarify exactly what this cable does though: Basically all it does is switch from Charging mode to USB OTG mode depending on how you have it plugged in. If you plug the cable into the mobile device only, the blue light will turn on, letting you know that you can use the USB OTG port. However, once you plug the other end of the cable into a charger, the blue light will turn off, and the cable goes into charging mode. The USB OTG port will not work or light up again until you remove the cable from your charger.
hey there everyone, i'm trying to understand this a bit more. i have the same cable, but my understanding is that it wont work unless the kernel supports it. does anyone know if this is possible to actually fix in the Nexus 9 kernel? i really need this for a project
Something that was sorely missing from the OnePlus 5 was OIS.
Can anyone confirm if its got it.
Edit: yes it does
Second question I think I know the answer to but thought I'd ask.
I think no for both, but wait for launch day, who knows?
EDIT: OIS is most likely confirmed. (German Amazon leaked specs) But no HDMi sadly.
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I think no for both, but wait for launch day, who knows?
EDIT: OIS is most likely confirmed. (German Amazon leaked specs) But no HDMi sadly.
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Good news about OIS, the HDMI out of a killer, but displaylink will still work.
Are you sure about no HDMI out? Isn't that something that Android supports by default and since 1+6 will jave usb c I see no reason why it should not support?
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Are you sure about no HDMI out? Isn't that something that Android supports by default and since 1+6 will jave usb c I see no reason why it should not support?
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No I'm afraid not, the last device to be able to use HDMI directly from usb-c was the HTC 10 to my recollection, since googles pixel doesn't use direct usb-c to HDMI, all devices are now the same.
Display link technology is a dock with its own chipset, meaning it can render for the device.
I have a thread in the one plus 5 forum because there simply was no way to use a wired solution, I've had the one plus since midnight on its launch day, the general idea was that HDMI out was not possible, I tested the display link devices I've got and it works.
You need an app but it works well.
Hopefully on the next batch of phones we can use HDMI directly, but I'd assume not.