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5.3" device: question about cpu

Does a larger touch screen With same resolution need a faster cpu?
My doubt is about larger touch screen, not actual screen size. Would touch-scrolling run smooth With 800x480 resolution and 5.3" size?
This could be The case: use blu studio 5.3" screen With ZTE tania hw.

If the screen is of same resolution, the load on the SOC is the same.

illegaloperation said:
If the screen is of same resolution, the load on the SOC is the same.
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Thanks. I hope bluproducts (and other minor manufacturers) will offer WP devices soon.
MS should give WP to manufacturers for free and ask a fee for xbox live/bing maps only (the way nokia is doing With its maps)

Displaying the same resolution uses the same CPU cycles regardless of physical screen size. However, a larger screen size might require a more detailed touch-sensor grid and I'm not sure if that would result in more CPU cycles or just greater battery drain (relatively speaking).

but on big screen lags are more visible!
so from user experience point, large screen devices need better CPU

PoisonWolf said:
Displaying the same resolution uses the same CPU cycles regardless of physical screen size. However, a larger screen size might require a more detailed touch-sensor grid and I'm not sure if that would result in more CPU cycles or just greater battery drain (relatively speaking).
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that's exactly what I was asking.
I'd try produce a 5" WP with 1Ghz for 199 similar to the blue studio offer

Cotulla said:
but on big screen lags are more visible!
so from user experience point, large screen devices need better CPU
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WP7 doesn't lag.
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MikeyMike01 said:
WP7 doesn't lag.
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That's right. Unfortunately ZTE didn't release a 5" WP but just another 4.3"
A 199 5" WP would sell very very well.

Unless they tweak the god damn OS to a new level with higher resolution... i don't want any kind of devices that i have to see my pictures as numerous of square pixels (visibly)
And i don't think that you would ever have WP on a tablet and 5.inch is something related to a tablet, not a phone anymore. my Titan is 4.7 inch and it has touch the lowest PPI and the size of my pocket.

Strike_Eagle said:
Unless they tweak the god damn OS to a new level with higher resolution... i don't want any kind of devices that i have to see my pictures as numerous of square pixels (visibly)
And i don't think that you would ever have WP on a tablet and 5.inch is something related to a tablet, not a phone anymore. my Titan is 4.7 inch and it has touch the lowest PPI and the size of my pocket.
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resolution is fine imo. 10" netbooks are usually 1366x768 therefore 5" @ 800x480 are more than accettable.
regarding WP on a 5.3" tablet, why not ? you know women's purses sometimes are so small that no tablet could fit into them...

Who is waiting for Samsung P10 to be announced ?

Hopefully in a week or so Sammy announces this beast of tablet: 12" 2500x1600 display (give or take . Hoping they get something like 2GB RAM (a la SG3) along with a GPU that can hold its own against IPad domination.
For now I am keeping the 2 TF101s that I have, TF700 just doesn't look like much of an upgrade ... Jelly Bean (along with fixed IO) might change that, but I am going to wait for now.

rashid11 said:
Hopefully in a week or so Sammy announces this beast of tablet: 12" 2500x1600 display (give or take . Hoping they get something like 2GB RAM (a la SG3) along with a GPU that can hold its own against IPad domination.
For now I am keeping the 2 TF101s that I have, TF700 just doesn't look like much of an upgrade ... Jelly Bean (along with fixed IO) might change that, but I am going to wait for now.
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I/o is fixed with . 26 update. Very very pleased w my tf700 now. :laugh:

well samsung rolls out updates for their products like once a year
i thought i will wait for the rumored nexus 10 but decided to get this one, still have to wait 1 week oh my god, what can i do in this week?

I have a GS3 and I love it, but what i like even more is that Asus always updates their hardware...you dont have to wait 4 months for a OS update. I also have a G73JH which i totally love...asus are the boss

Every time I've tried using a display model Samsung tablet, I've been shocked at just how laggy things are. The resolution bump would also be barely noticable, on the TF700 you already cant see the pixels. If they do bump the ram to 2gb, with the nexus and almost every other HC/ICS tablet out being 1gb that means we're covered for quite some time app wise, even 512mb devices can still run plenty fluid.
So for me? No.

With very few 10in optomized apps around, other than basic web browsing and movie playing I really don't have a use for a 12 in android pad. Now win8 might be another story.
Plus Samsung still sucks at updates. We're jousting getting ics. They agreed to 18months of support, but at updates every 12 months they may have just promised a year.
So now I have to decide to go with asus' poor qc or crappy Samsung support. You can see why android hasn't taken over in tablets yet. Believe me, I love my android, I've got phones with verizon and sprint and 3 tablets. I won't bother with the other players yet.

No offense, but these threads are getting old. How many people do you really expect to find waiting in here? Most have already own or have immediate plans to. If you want to discuss a device vs device, and then start an appropriately named thread.
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2560x1600? No thanks. There's a reason I didn't get the ipad 3. Enjoy your 1080p upscaling or black box.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;

It likely won't have a keyboard dock, which is something that once you, chances your entire experience with the tablet. It is why I likely won't buy tablets in the future that doesn't have one. I need productivity in my computing devices and the keyboard is a must to accomplish that. We may have gotten pretty far in our technology over the last several years, but it is going to be difficult to find something that can replace a keyboard.

legendary1022 said:
It likely won't have a keyboard dock, which is something that once you, chances your entire experience with the tablet. It is why I likely won't buy tablets in the future that doesn't have one. I need productivity in my computing devices and the keyboard is a must to accomplish that. We may have gotten pretty far in our technology over the last several years, but it is going to be difficult to find something that can replace a keyboard.
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Samsung's post product support is by far the worst. They can keep their 12 month updates. They do it on purpose, so you buy their next latest & greatest product. So he'll to the noooooooo!
Amen

jdeoxys said:
2560x1600? No thanks. There's a reason I didn't get the ipad 3. Enjoy your 1080p upscaling or black box.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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i think you don't know how to divide 2560 by 1600

nooktablet said:
i think you don't know how to divide 2560 by 1600
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I don't think you know what I'm talking about. 1920x1080 (industry standard) does not fit evenly into 2560x1600. You first have to upscale it to 2560x1440 (16:9 ratio). If you choose not to upscale it, you get a big black box around your video. If you choose to do so however, the pixels are distorted because it is not evenly at a 1:1 rate of pixels and is more around 3:2 which will cause some distortion. Obviously.

jdeoxys said:
I don't think you know what I'm talking about. 1920x1080 (industry standard) does not fit evenly into 2560x1600. You first have to upscale it to 2560x1440 (16:9 ratio). If you choose not to upscale it, you get a big black box around your video. If you choose to do so however, the pixels are distorted because it is not evenly at a 1:1 rate of pixels and is more around 3:2 which will cause some distortion. Obviously.
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but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)

nooktablet said:
but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
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The Infinity doesn't upscale anything. It may leave a little room on the top and bottom because the resolution is slightly larger on the vertical, but a good amount of that is taken up by the Android status bar.

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but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
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His point is more about the distortion than the bars. There's very few tablets on the market that wont letterbox to some extent because Android targets 16:10 and iOS targets 4:3. On the Infinity, you'll have the bar on the bottom but you wont lose any clarity. The 2560x1600 display, however, would because it would have to stretch it to play it without letterboxing on the left and right.

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The Infinity doesn't upscale anything. It may leave a little room on the top and bottom because the resolution is slightly larger on the vertical, but a good amount of that is taken up by the Android status bar.
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yeah, that's what i meant,
2560x1600 = 16:10 aspect ratio (rumored samsung tablet)
1920x1200 = 16:10 aspect ratio (the infinity)
they both run android of course, so both have status bar, basically i mean the video viewing experience on the 2 tablets is the same (except for the high resolution 2560x1600 may make the video blurry, but about "video size" they look the same) while he said it will upscale or black box which i don't understand or maybe because i'm stupid

I enjoy using the KB dock with me TF101. The extra juice, the keys, the extra ports and I also have 64GB SD card in there.
As to the vendor ROM support , who cares much, most of us run custom ROMs anyway. I have GS2, a friend just got GS3, Sammy knows what they are doing.
As long as we get a nice JB start, we shall be off to the races.
And a whole lot of us are in the same boat - have the TF101 or 200 and are on the fence about 700's value, especially in the light of P10 and the gazillion of Win8 systems that will hit the market relatively soon.

nooktablet said:
yeah, that's what i meant,
2560x1600 = 16:10 aspect ratio (rumored samsung tablet)
1920x1200 = 16:10 aspect ratio (the infinity)
they both run android of course, so both have status bar, basically i mean the video viewing experience on the 2 tablets is the same (except for the high resolution 2560x1600 may make the video blurry, but about "video size" they look the same) while he said it will upscale or black box which i don't understand or maybe because i'm stupid
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Just google the word "upscaling" and you'll know what he means.
Movies look best on their native resolution.
The Infinity WON'T CHANGE the resolution but it will have 2 little bars.
The Sammy WILL CHANGE the resolution to 2560x1600 by upscaling, which results in a little blurry picture and will still have 2 little bars.
Try to use a non native resolution on your PC monitor for example. Turn it down a bit. You'll notice the blurryness )
Exactly the same happens on the Sammy tablet. It will get stretched or "upscaled".
But that's only interesting for movies etc.
Apps for the 1920 x1200 resolution are rare, don't expect apps running native 2560x1600
Just my opinion: I like some smartphones like the Galaxy Nexus (mostly because its native Android with early update guarantee) or the S3 (but please Samsung, get rid of stupid Touchwiz)
But on Tablets I prefer Asus, they have more updates, listen to the community and they don't spam the device with a stupid launcher that slows down the system.

I am eagerly awaiting this device. So damn bored with my iPad 3 which gets boiling hot after 5 minutes of Safari (forget games etc). Should go nicely with my Galaxy S3. Tempted to get the Transformer 1920x1200 but I think I'll wait for this

3473 said:
I am eagerly awaiting this device. So damn bored with my iPad 3 which gets boiling hot after 5 minutes of Safari (forget games etc). Should go nicely with my Galaxy S3. Tempted to get the Transformer 1920x1200 but I think I'll wait for this
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I'm sending back my TF700 and will wait on something else as I don't think the performance is up to par IMHO. Wait on the P10, maybe? I had the Galaxy P6810 7.7 Tab from Samsung and it was a pretty good tablet especially once JB came out. I just got the SGS 3 this past weekend and the phone performs great, as it should, even with ICS. My days of buying a sub performing device and waiting for the manufacturer to fix it later via updates is over. If it's a top dollar product and doesn't perform out of the box, forget it.

So why DID Samsung go with 1280 x 800?

It's not as if Samsung doesn't know how to make good screens and at $500 it's not as if they are giving away a $200 loss leader tablet to sell content. So why? The screen resolution is the ONLY thing that keeps the Note 10.1 from being the greatest tablet of all time and severely hurting iPad 3 sales.
Everyone will have their opinion on this but I'll give you mine.
Reason 1 - speed.
Reason 2 - the s-pen.
It is clear that the Note 10.1 has been designed as a tool and not a toy. It is a productivity device. As such, speed and functionality trumps eye-candy. Based upon what I have been reading about the ASUS Infinity, the HD screen seems to cause performance issues.
There is also the issue of the s-pen. This is pure conjecture on my part but it seems intuitive that writing on an HD screen will require more processing power than writing on a 1280 x 800 screen. There are more pixels to change. I believe that Samsung looked at it and asked themselves, what is the lowest resolution we can do (thereby improving s-pen function) but still deliver an acceptable image?
** It could be that Samsung just cheaped out but I don't think so. If they gave us a super HD screen but the s-pen lagged it would have been game over. I think it came down to a question of what the user would be most willing to sacrifice. Since the Note is a productivity device, that would be eye-candy. Speed, above and beyond all else was key.
Just my 2 cents. What do you think?

I've read that it's the max resolution supported by the Wacom digitizer.
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05GT said:
I've read that it's the max resolution supported by the Wacom digitizer.
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From what i read its the maximum resolution supported by the exynos chip. With the new exynos chip which i soooo hoped for to be inside this tablet, the max resolution would be i think double.
I only have one concern before buying this tablet:
what if...the tablet which should be around 11.6 inch coming from sammy (probably the next few months) will also be a note instead of a "standard" galaxy tab..? That would be a huge blow for all note 10.1 buyers :/

Probably has to do with the digitizer pen technology. Even Wacom doesn't offer the comparable Cintiq (minus multi-touch except for top of line 24HD) with a resolution higher than 1280x800 until you go from the $1000 12" to the $2000 22" model.
http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Cintiq/Compare Models.aspx

I don't believe it has to do with the digitizer. There are tablets that use the same one and have higher resolution.
I think it's for speed and possibly limitations on the cpu. Samsung wanted this tablet to fly. Increasing the resolution would be a problem for that. I think next year we will get a high res Note.
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I think Samsung did a great job with this 720P HD display. Its something about it that's different from my previous prime or my nexus 7. The colors are richer/more detailed. The prime and nexus 7 has exact same resolution also. Im more than satisfied with this display. Everything looks crisp to me.

Well I don't have my note 10.1 (arrives later today) but my dads tf300 has the same resolution and my brother has a new Asus nexus 7. I compared the both as the nexus has a higher dpi and personally I can hardly see any difference! So does it really matter that much?

sysl0rd said:
From what i read its the maximum resolution supported by the exynos chip. With the new exynos chip which i soooo hoped for to be inside this tablet, the max resolution would be i think double.
I only have one concern before buying this tablet:
what if...the tablet which should be around 11.6 inch coming from sammy (probably the next few months) will also be a note instead of a "standard" galaxy tab..? That would be a huge blow for all note 10.1 buyers :/
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This is what I've heard as well, although I couldn't find anything from Samsung about it. But it seems the most likely (while it's possible that Exynos 4 does support higher resolution outputs, it might not be fluid enough for use with the S Pen as lag is definitely more noticeable with a stylus than a fingertip).

Cranking up the resolution requires cranking up the GPU horsepower, which means more battery consumption.
Look at the iPad - they needed to make the battery around 50% bigger in order to offset the significantly increased power consumption. This means a heavier device, and MUCH longer recharge times.
The iPad's resolution is a waste of pixels. There's flaunting spec epeen, and there is proper systems engineering - Samsung did proper systems engineering here.

Before getting my Note 10.1 I got myself an Asus Infinity Pad (which was promptly returned due to the screen coming OUT of the case). The screen WAS magnificent, However, there was so much power going to the screen than the entire OS was lagged out pretty badly. Even after their OTA updates, it was pretty bad. Battery drain was horrible unless I put it into the "power saving" mode and at that point the screen on my Galaxy Tab and Note 10.1 was beautiful compared to it.
I agree with the OP. Speed and the S-pen are the primary causes. Honestly, I don't need an ungodly powerful screen. I use this for work and for play and it does extremely well on both. I am often amazed at how quickly pages load, or the fact that I don't have to buffer pages, books or other things as long as other tablets take. I will take power over beauty any day of the week...
Also as a geek moment for myself "Power is beauty and I've got the power" - Flea (From Chrono Trigger).

Does the screen resolution seem worse after the update?

I have noticed today after the update that the fonts in my browser appear much more pixelated than before the update. Fonts that were a nice black before seem to be grayish now. Clean edges look fuzzy. I know it's different. I has been bugging me all day.
Has anyone else noticed this?

Thats funny, because i was just thinking the complete opposite after the update. Maybe im just finally getting used to the resolution after owning two infinities.

mike619 said:
Thats funny, because i was just thinking the complete opposite after the update. Maybe im just finally getting used to the resolution after owning two infinities.
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Or maybe one of us is dangerously insane?
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The update gave me retina 2048x1536 resolution but games are jerky and slow now due to GPU not being able to keep up with the increase of pixels. I'm going to ask Madfinger/Dead Trigger, Gameloft/Modern Combat 3, etc. to scale down to 1024x768 resolution.

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The update gave me retina 2048x1536 resolution but games are jerky and slow now due to GPU not being able to keep up with the increase of pixels. I'm going to ask Madfinger/Dead Trigger, Gameloft/Modern Combat 3, etc. to scale down to 1024x768 resolution.
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Yes I have heard of this happening. I read that submerging your tablet in water solves this problem.
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Display and fonts still look great after update. Try going into settings then display options. I have my display mode set to dynamic. Seems to pump out the best looking display. You have dynamic, standard, and movie display modes. I wish the manual detailed more what each of those does. You can still see the changes on the pic in THST option.

Where are my pixels??

On a Facebook Infinity fan page i posted a question to see if others could test there Infinity tablets to see what resolution they were getting (going to a website like http://whatis.myscreenresolution.com or http://whatismyscreenresolution.com
I've attached my screen cap of such a session and the reading the website got was a little smaller than what is advertised ( i got 1920 x 1128 vs the spec'ed 1920 x 1200)
i wanted to make sure that i wasn't on the only one and it wasn't, HOWEVER what i got unexpectedly were other results from other devices. The ipad3 (or the NEW ipad) came in at a resolution of 768 x 1024 vs the 1536 x 2048.
So what am i missing here? I know when it comes to certain computer technology, you dont always get what your advertised (ex: 500gb hard drive but 485gb is all you get to use or you have a 50Mbps download pipe but you avg at 23Mbps)
But how is this be for pixels on the screen? Are these two websites not designed to work across all devices?? (my zenbook, home desktop, work desktop & WP Mango phone work perfect...)
ps - when i did the screen capture from the tablet, the pictures dimensions were 1920 x 1200

I think that website doesn't include the nav bar on the bottom of the screen.
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I think that website doesn't include the nav bar on the bottom of the screen.
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never gave that any thought and i can see where my missing 72 pixels went... any idea why some of my friends with the ipad 3 are getting such a ****ty result?

I get 1900 x 1200 on both Web sites.

Looks like it depends of your browser!
Chrome, firefox: 1920 x 1128
Stock browser, Tint Browser: 1920 x 1200
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EvilHomerClone said:
never gave that any thought and i can see where my missing 72 pixels went... any idea why some of my friends with the ipad 3 are getting such a ****ty result?
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Most likely because the iPad's browser needs to lie to web sites to avoid unreadable tiny text and pictures. Unfortunately, many web sites use "pixels" as a unit of measurement (and for images, it's somehow implicit), but all assume a desktop display with about 100 dpi.

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Most likely because the iPad's browser needs to lie to web sites to avoid unreadable tiny text and pictures. Unfortunately, many web sites use "pixels" as a unit of measurement (and for images, it's somehow implicit), but all assume a desktop display with about 100 dpi.
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I'm pretty sure it's because Apple can't into resolution independence.
(doubled the macbook to retina, doubled the iphone to retina, doubled the ipad to retina, can't into resolution independence, only pixel doubling)
The infinity is nearly the same resolution and it doesn't give any strange results.

Keion said:
I'm pretty sure it's because Apple can't into resolution independence.
(doubled the macbook to retina, doubled the iphone to retina, doubled the ipad to retina, can't into resolution independence, only pixel doubling)
The infinity is nearly the same resolution and it doesn't give any strange results.
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If by "pixel doubling" you imply that Apple devices render everything at a low resolution and then scale up to the screen size, you'd be wrong. The only exception is the Macbook, which uses upscaling for better compatibility with desktop apps. All iOS devices render with the full resolution.
The JavaScript APIs in browsers are not designed to give accurate hardware information. FWIW, my own local start page includes a display of the browser window size, and it says 320*240 pixels on the transformer. Zooming in and out dynamically modifies the reported size.