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I just called Viewsonic to ask if they were going to be releasing updates in the near future to fix the G-tab problems. The girl I talked to was very nice (and I'm not just saying that because she said they keep tabs on xda-developers.com!)...but she couldn't provide a timeline or details about upcoming fixes or software. Bummer.
She did, however, mention that they're aware of the problems with Tap'NTap and that they're looking at ways to improve performance. I hope that means they'll be updating the drivers to use the 2nd core of the Tegra 2. I'm happy with that answer because I just want to know that the company is supporting its products. I'm pretty satisfied with my G-tab currently, but I really want it to run at it's optimal performance.
Just thought I'd share what I heard.
LOL!! Bye bye tapntap!
lostpilot28 said:
I just called Viewsonic to ask if they were going to be releasing updates in the near future to fix the G-tab problems. The girl I talked to was very nice (and I'm not just saying that because she said they keep tabs on xda-developers.com!)...but she couldn't provide a timeline or details about upcoming fixes or software. Bummer.
She did, however, mention that they're aware of the problems with Tap'NTap and that they're looking at ways to improve performance. I hope that means they'll be updating the drivers to use the 2nd core of the Tegra 2. I'm happy with that answer because I just want to know that the company is supporting its products. I'm pretty satisfied with my G-tab currently, but I really want it to run at it's optimal performance.
Just thought I'd share what I heard.
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I spoke to Viewsonic Tech Support last night and, as usual, the guy was very eager to help, but didn't have a lot of answers. He did confirm that the 20 Dec release will update several things, like provide VTC software, keyboard update, TnT update, and a long list of other issues that appear to be repeat gripes from users...
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I spoke to Viewsonic Tech Support last night and, as usual, the guy was very eager to help, but didn't have a lot of answers. He did confirm that the 20 Dec release will update several things, like provide VTC software, keyboard update, TnT update, and a long list of other issues that appear to be repeat gripes from users...
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Too late to stem the tide of returns though. On a positive note, plenty of time for Roeby & Company to rest before the next source for a big update
Unless something comes by their paths earlier.....
Irish G said:
He did confirm that the 20 Dec release will update several things, like provide VTC software, keyboard update, TnT update, and a long list of other issues that appear to be repeat gripes from users...
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What is VTC software?
I think they just completely misjudged their market. They thought they could get away with a toy-like interface (clearly targeted toward Moms, with the "Grocery List" and "To-Do List" and photos front and center), but in this era when so many people have smartphones, the TNT stuff isn't going to cut it. Once you've seen an iPhone or Android 2.x in action, you're not going to want some sort of fake overlay. Especially when you KNOW that Android is running beneath it!
Lack of full Market and Angry Birds was also a killer error.
Now that I've got TNTLite, full Market, and Google apps syncing, this is exactly what I expected a tab to be--a big version of my phone. I knew that by getting one now I wouldn't get a fabulous *tab* experience (awaiting Honeycomb for that), but I did at least want the equivalent of my phone, on a bigger screen. Which I imagine is common.
XDA types and other folks in the know who see the specs on this thing and know that it has the potential to keep up with the first generation of Honeycomb tablets (and are willing to mod to make it useable) are the only thing coming close to preventing this from being a complete debacle for Viewsonic.
I wonder whether they'll truly get rid of TnT, though.
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What is VTC software?
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video teleconference - video chat software like Skype...
jacindc said:
I think they just completely misjudged their market. They thought they could get away with a toy-like interface (clearly targeted toward Moms, with the "Grocery List" and "To-Do List" and photos front and center), but in this era when so many people have smartphones, the TNT stuff isn't going to cut it. Once you've seen an iPhone or Android 2.x in action, you're not going to want some sort of fake overlay. Especially when you KNOW that Android is running beneath it!
Lack of full Market and Angry Birds was also a killer error.
Now that I've got TNTLite, full Market, and Google apps syncing, this is exactly what I expected a tab to be--a big version of my phone. I knew that by getting one now I wouldn't get a fabulous *tab* experience (awaiting Honeycomb for that), but I did at least want the equivalent of my phone, on a bigger screen. Which I imagine is common.
XDA types and other folks in the know who see the specs on this thing and know that it has the potential to keep up with the first generation of Honeycomb tablets (and are willing to mod to make it useable) are the only thing coming close to preventing this from being a complete debacle for Viewsonic.
I wonder whether they'll truly get rid of TnT, though.
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Could not have said it better myself.
I actually have a few people at work looking to buy these things as long as I can "fix" them.
Hilarious and sad at the same time that Viewsonic would release a product like they have.
I spoke to a sales rep at sears to see if they had any refurbs. She mentioned they still haven't sold one piece yet, and they've had stock a week prior to BF.
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I think they just completely misjudged their market. They thought they could get away with a toy-like interface (clearly targeted toward Moms, with the "Grocery List" and "To-Do List" and photos front and center), but in this era when so many people have smartphones, the TNT stuff isn't going to cut it. Once you've seen an iPhone or Android 2.x in action, you're not going to want some sort of fake overlay. Especially when you KNOW that Android is running beneath it!
Lack of full Market and Angry Birds was also a killer error.
Now that I've got TNTLite, full Market, and Google apps syncing, this is exactly what I expected a tab to be--a big version of my phone. I knew that by getting one now I wouldn't get a fabulous *tab* experience (awaiting Honeycomb for that), but I did at least want the equivalent of my phone, on a bigger screen. Which I imagine is common.
XDA types and other folks in the know who see the specs on this thing and know that it has the potential to keep up with the first generation of Honeycomb tablets (and are willing to mod to make it useable) are the only thing coming close to preventing this from being a complete debacle for Viewsonic.
I wonder whether they'll truly get rid of TnT, though.
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Not to be a downer, but at the current return rates and no decent chance for a fix for the majority of people (non modders) until 12/20- The Gtablet may not be around very long. This product may be one of those firesale devices and then Viewsonic will flip the bill for that sale.
Not seeing how anymore than the current 60,000-ish will be produced. Not good business sense and would not be surprised to see the device rebranded, once a stable rom is made and shipped with the device (or a version of it).
No way anybody selling will be net positive for dollars with this device and Viewsonic had better have some cash accrued in their P&L for February. That will be the month of being accountable for this product. This will be in the seven figure zone for compensation. How can it not be?
This device shipped about two months too early. Still wild that the Advent Vega apparently does not have the problems out of box and also a Tegra 2. One month later release though.
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The mod community is the only reason return rates are probably not near parity with sales. My guess is the reason we have not seen more refurbs is a combination or presents wrapped up and shipments held from sale (either by not pushing sales or not releasing from warehouses).
It will take a firmware package miracle and good web page communication by Viewsonic to turn the sunami of returns away after Christmas.
Regardless, the Gtablet will be a legend for modders, but the net loss of margin for selling at discounts or refurbs will be rough for sellers. All 60,000 WILL sell, just not in the retail format as expected.
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Not to be a downer, but at the current return rates and no decent chance for a fix for the majority of people (non modders) until 12/20- The Gtablet may not be around very long. This product may be one of those firesale devices and then Viewsonic will flip the bill for that sale.
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Totally agree, but as long as we can keep Roebeet and Rothnic and a few others chained to their Gtabs, maybe we can get to Honeycomb. ;-)
If I have to buy a new tab next spring, it won't be the end of the world. I always looked at this as a toy to tide me over. But it might have the possibility of lasting a lot longer, at least in the XDA world. If not, I'll give it to Mom and Dad. In its TNTLite config, it'll work just fine for them.
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This device shipped about two months too early. Still wild that the Advent Vega apparently does not have the problems out of box and also a Tegra 2. One month later release though.
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I don't necessarily agree with this. I don't think it's the timing of release compared to Android 3.0 that's the problem, or that it's the hardware. It just seems that Viewsonic COULD have offered better drivers and a lightly modified Froyo build right from the beginning. The G-Tab would work so much better if they had.
Hopefully, Viewsonic is listening and they release better drivers soon. I think the hardware is fantastic...it would be a shame to have to return this thing because they're too slow to fix the software issues.
I'm seriously crossing my fingers that the XDA rockstars get the Advent Vega MOD running. That would be fantastic.
I called around to my two local sears and asked if they had return units for sale. Both said no.
I, for one, want these to be succesful and to sell. Nothing worse than this whole thing being a flop and then Viewsonic dropping the product support for them. That means our chances of getting updated roms gets slimmer, especially stuff like honeycomb.
I don't think there's any doubt that some of the issues related to the tablet are due to its lack of hardware support from the actual mfrs, and Android. Some examples.. when this was launched, there wasn't even flash available (they had to wait on adobe for this). This can't be blamed on viewsonic, and it's unfortunate but ultimately they get the blame that it doesn't have flash. Why have they not included the "beta" plugin from Adobe? Perhaps because it's a beta version, and they're not allowed to package it in and release it.
We also have issues with the Tegra 2. Did Nvidia's QA dept or who knows what reason cause delays for the drivers to get to Viewsonic? Again, we don't know. I'm sure Viewsonic would've loved to package up the latest/best drivers, but the reality is that perhaps they weren't available.
Regarding Android, well, we all know some of the problems. Hardware acceleration for videos via Android and the Tegra 2 simply isn't there. The Tegra 2 does HW decoding of various formats, and it looks like it's not working. Again, is this android or perhaps Nvidia? Who knows really. We also have the issue with lack of dual core support in Android 2.2.
Anyway, point is, Viewsonic is certainly not the sole person to blame for a poor launch of this product and it being "incomplete." I'm sure the parties and circumstances caused a problem. I'm a dev myself, so I understand all the problems that could arise from a "new" device. I just figured I'd mention these things to highlight the possible problems that arise from such a device, for the non-techy folks. Perhaps they shouldn't have launched the devices until they were more functional, and yes that rests on Viewsonic.
Just my 2 cents.. I certainly understand people's frustration..
This is why everything else with Tegra is preorder. Waiting on flash, market, etc to become available first. Still I think Viewsonic would have cut their returns in half if they would have just left the overlay off.
My big worry is that roebeet and others are going to move (totally within their rights) on and we are going to be left with a device that Viewsonic is not going to improve through future updates due to poor sales.
Honestly, what roebeet and others have done is simply amazing and I am very appreciative for their work. However, Honeycomb is some time off and it is unknown whether DEVs will be around to keep the Gtab up to date.
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Nvidia releasing a honeycomb build for developers is 90% of what we need. Like they did for Froyo. As long is Tegra2 is produced I'm not worrying.
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I don't necessarily agree with this. I don't think it's the timing of release compared to Android 3.0 that's the problem, or that it's the hardware. It just seems that Viewsonic COULD have offered better drivers and a lightly modified Froyo build right from the beginning. The G-Tab would work so much better if they had.
Hopefully, Viewsonic is listening and they release better drivers soon. I think the hardware is fantastic...it would be a shame to have to return this thing because they're too slow to fix the software issues.
I'm seriously crossing my fingers that the XDA rockstars get the Advent Vega MOD running. That would be fantastic.
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Agree with you- point is Viewsonic is nowhere near ready with an out of box firmware package and non-mod consumers will treat the device as defective. Considering it shipped late October and assuming the 12/20 FW release is solid, it would be two months- hence my two months too early assertion.
Even if 60,000 is all that is made (I hope it is not the case), that still means plenty of devices floating around
Who knows, maybe VS will release a near-miracle update and communicate on their support page the status and a roadmap to more improvements. Communication like that via a published format on their web page for the product would be HUGE for customer trust
Not dogging the device proper (I still own one at $402 total)- but am dogging the out of box state for most consumers.
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Not to be a downer, but at the current return rates and no decent chance for a fix for the majority of people (non modders) until 12/20- The Gtablet may not be around very long. This product may be one of those firesale devices and then Viewsonic will flip the bill for that sale.
Not seeing how anymore than the current 60,000-ish will be produced. Not good business sense and would not be surprised to see the device rebranded, once a stable rom is made and shipped with the device (or a version of it).
No way anybody selling will be net positive for dollars with this device and Viewsonic had better have some cash accrued in their P&L for February. That will be the month of being accountable for this product. This will be in the seven figure zone for compensation. How can it not be?
This device shipped about two months too early. Still wild that the Advent Vega apparently does not have the problems out of box and also a Tegra 2. One month later release though.
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The mod community is the only reason return rates are probably not near parity with sales. My guess is the reason we have not seen more refurbs is a combination or presents wrapped up and shipments held from sale (either by not pushing sales or not releasing from warehouses).
It will take a firmware package miracle and good web page communication by Viewsonic to turn the sunami of returns away after Christmas.
Regardless, the Gtablet will be a legend for modders, but the net loss of margin for selling at discounts or refurbs will be rough for sellers. All 60,000 WILL sell, just not in the retail format as expected.
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I'm afraid of that possibility as well. What's really sad is that Viewsonic had the chance to become the "iPod" of Android Tablets, but they're seriously blowing it. A product that works as bad as this out of the box will seriously discourage repeat buyers. Repeat buyers drives iPod sales, this won't happen for Viewsonic if these issues aren't addressed.
The enhancements that have been made in just a few weeks by the efforts of Roebeet, Rothnic, Bekit and others show the great potential with the existing hardware they're selling. Any of these releases is more like what Viewsonic should have released in the first place. I just hope that the Malata does better in Asia, it sounds like they're being pretty progressive about getting patches out there. If Malata succeeds at least there's hope for future upgrades/enhancements.
Reading the NVidia Tegra Development Forums it sounds like they've got 1080P running on their Tegra 250 Dev Kit, on linux at least. Can anyone shed some light on why the development for the Android doesn't seem to be keeping up? Is the 2.2 Platform incapable of that level of performance or are they instead concentrating their efforts on Gingerbread or Honeycomb for that performance boost? It seems some of this failure of delivering a better performing product lies in NVidia's lap, Viewsonic's software is another story. Looking over the latest "Advent Performance Pack" that was recently released, these are the files from the image that was released in the Tegra Developer Forums on 11/11/10. The Tegra 2 was shown to developers in January(or earlier) and only now have they released code to provide better performance for the Tegra 2? It's like they're sabotaging themselves by not utilizing their hardware to the best of it's abilities.
I'm confused by all of this, wouldn't
make a good product = sell more = make more money = make more on repeat buyers(upgrading)
make sense versus
release an immature product = loss on returns = customers will never buy from again?
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The Tegra 2 was shown to developers in January(or earlier) and only now have they released code to provide better performance for the Tegra 2? It's like they're sabotaging themselves by not utilizing their hardware to the best of it's abilities.
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I guess the short answer is "things take time." The reality is that drivers do go through different iterations, and perhaps Tegra 2 (and possibly the drivers) would fare better in Android 2.3. Sometimes you just have to be patient, and rushing things can result in the Viewsonic tablet. I was trying to say that in my rather long winded post.
Has the transformer received android 3.1 yet because it has become available for tablets like the motorola xoom
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No, not yet. 3.1 was just announced today and is only rolling out to Verizon Xooms. For the moment, no other tablet, including the Wifi Xoom, is getting the update.
Nope. It ain't that easy, unfortunately. Each hardware manufacturer has to fine tune their device to make it compatible with the upgrade, or better phrased, to take advantage of all new features. It's not all Steve Job's happy Apple world out there where one update is good for all devices, no matter if a small or big phone
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It's not all Steve Job's happy Apple world out there where one update is good for all devices, no matter if a small or big phone
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Wrong ;P iPad/iPhone GSM/iPhone CDMA/iPod Touch use different firmwares.
We have no idea how long they've had access to the 3.1 code or what their process is for testing updates. If they (ASUS) are really proactive about updating, I would think that it would be at least 30 days until we see or hear about an update for the Transformer. If it's sooner, I'll be thrilled.
I highly doubt we'll be getting it this year even. Asus's main priority is (or should be) getting these devices stocked and sold as soon as possible because they'll be taking a huge hit once the Galaxy Tabs become available. They're not even thinking about fixing/upgrading the software.
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Wrong ;P iPad/iPhone GSM/iPhone CDMA/iPod Touch use different firmwares.
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See, not even THAT world is perfect LOL
akarol said:
I highly doubt we'll be getting it this year even. Asus's main priority is (or should be) getting these devices stocked and sold as soon as possible because they'll be taking a huge hit once the Galaxy Tabs become available. They're not even thinking about fixing/upgrading the software.
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I don't think they move the guys from software development to shipping/receiving depending on demand...
akarol said:
I highly doubt we'll be getting it this year even. Asus's main priority is (or should be) getting these devices stocked and sold as soon as possible because they'll be taking a huge hit once the Galaxy Tabs become available. They're not even thinking about fixing/upgrading the software.
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Software developement and production are handled by different groups. One wouldn't impact the other. They can work on getting software ready then deliver it via OTA update.
If Asus doesn't provide the update within a month, or announces soon that that they're working on it and it will be out soon, this will be going up for sale for either the Xoom (again) or the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Yep, same here. I'll wait for something else...
And they had better be working on updates, at least fixing the 60%+ of people who can't use their dock doorstops...
Bugs are part of computers, and we are early adopters but I am not very pleased about not being able to use it at all right now...
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I don't think they move the guys from software development to shipping/receiving depending on demand...
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LMAO, exactly what I was thinking. I don't give a crap what my marketing/production team is doing, I'm still a code-monkey and would want to be proactive to fix all the found bugs in my current software.
I think Asus will release Android 3.1 for the Transformer in the next 2 to 3 weeks. It would make sense that they have the code already as a manufacturer, and they would want to stay ahead of the Galaxy tab 10.1 which seems like will be realease with 3.1 installed.
Just my opinion,
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I don't think they move the guys from software development to shipping/receiving depending on demand...
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Ha! Exactly.
WANTED: Android developer. Must also be able to lift heavy boxes for prolonged periods of time.
Wow. Android 3.1 was just announced this morning and already people are threatening to buy something else if Asus doesn't release the update. Yeesh.
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Let them get the current bugs squashed, especially w/ the keyboard dock, then let's worry about getting 3.1.
Given the demand for the TF, I would think that they would have an interest in keeping it at the top of the heap for as long as possible - i.e. get it updated w/ the latest iteration of HC as quickly as possible.
Of COURSE they'll want to get updated as soon as possible. Why wouldn't they? I swear, people are getting more and more ridiculous every day. In every forum for every product, if a company doesn't announce something within 15 minutes of someone demanding it, people start pulling out the tar and feathers.
I mean, seriously, why WOULDN'T Asus update the Transformer? What reason do we have for believing they won't? The only examples we have of what Asus might do with this product has been provided by the two updates they've issued in about a month, the presence of Asus personnel on this very forum helping people out with an unfortunate glitch with the last update, issuing a fixed update for manual install on their Web site within days of the glitch being identified (which required working on it over the weekend), and in general communicating better than I've seen any other Android manufacturer communicate in recent memory.
I say, if we haven't heard about an update to 3.1 within 30 days of today, then we'd have some reason to complain and wonder when we'll get one. But a few hours after it was announced by Google? Seriously?
Ye gads, people, get lives, will you?
(Rant over.)
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Yes, because the same three guys that developed the Tablet are the same 3 guys that fullfill orders and then package them and ship them!
Why are people do so willing to (threaten to) sell their Transformer if there's no announcement? How long till the other tablets get 3.1. You know, the old Samsung Tab, the G-Slate, the Viewsonic GTablet, etc. Oh that's right... nobody knows.
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LOL, didn't Amazon used to make it's upper level people work in any dept that needed extra manpower?
Going through the kernel sources, it's blatantly obvious that they have developed a phone with these specs.
The 9500 is the ja3g and its variants are
ja3gduos_chn_ctc / GT-I959 / China Telecommunications Coorporation
ja3gduos_chn_cu / GT-I9502 / China Unicom.
That's fine and dandy, however the conspiracy theories begin with the LTE versions:
The 9505 also has an Exynos variant as named as jalte and its derivatives are
jalteskt / SHV-E300S
jaltektt / SHV-E300K
jaltelgt / SHV-E300L
jaltedcm / ???
First three for the Korean market, and the latter Japan DoCoMo.
The interessting tidbit about the last four is that they're sourced / defined as derivatives of jalte / GT-9505 which is defined as a TARGET_LOCALE_EUR device.
Now over in the Qualcomm universe of devices, we have the jf* boards:
jf_eur, jf_att, jf_can, jf_cmcc, jf_cri, jf_dcm, jf_ktt, jf_lgt, jf_skt, jf_skt, jf_spr, jf_tmo, jf_vzw.
Now it's pretty obvious that there are duplicate devices for both the bolded markets, again the European, Korean, and Japanese variants.
I'm not claiming anything here; the above may either point out that Samsung will in the future have or replace the Qualcomm devices back with Exynos devices, or it may mean that the source code is older and displays Samsung's device line-up before they switched to Qualcomm. The question is, if they'll continue to source Qualcomm devices for the markets which got them from the beginning.
In either case, it just seems that the S4 is a massive failure for Samsung in terms of a product launch, they released it too early, and due to the apparent manufacturing issues, a big clusterfuçk has emerged in the device lineup in the last minute.
I'm glad they decided to use Qualcomm. It will have a much better community support.
Releasing all devices with Exynos would be a failure IMO for those that want to customize it.
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I'm not claiming anything here; the above may either point out that Samsung will in the future have or replace the Qualcomm devices back with Exynos devices, or it may mean that the source code is older and displays Samsung's device line-up before they switched to Qualcomm. The question is, if they'll continue to source Qualcomm devices for the markets which got them from the beginning.
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I agree with this and think that at some point in the SGS4's lifetime there will be a Octa/RF360 LTE variant.
In either case, it just seems that the S4 is a massive failure for Samsung in terms of a product launch, they released it too early, and due to the apparent manufacturing issues, a big clusterfuçk has emerged in the device lineup in the last minute.
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Because there's code in the kernel that point to models that could have been produced and aren't?
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Because there's code in the kernel that point to models that could have been produced and aren't?
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Are you trying to make a snarky comment again?
Yes, because of that; you don't develop a product and suddenly throw away millions in investment to not use that and then decide to throw free cash at your biggest competitor for the hell of it.
The whole launch just smells of immatureness of the product that was changed in the last minute. The LCD vs AMOLED debacle is also something to consider: initial firmwares were still using the white/bright colour schemes and only as reported, new updated firmwares finally changed that back to black / dark scheme typical of AMOLEDs. This gives weight to the reports that they were almost releasing the device with an LCD screen.
They didn't mention a single word about the CPU during the official launch for a single reason: shame.
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Are you trying to make a snarky comment again?
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Actually, no. And I thanked your original post.
Yes, because of that; you don't develop a product and suddenly throw away millions in investment to not use that and then decide to throw free cash at your biggest competitor for the hell of it.
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I'll give you an example of what I've seen from the business side (I'm not a programmer). There are times when the business group hasn't made final determinations about h/w while s/w coding is still preceding. The programmers will include code for multiple options and then either comment out what's not used or just leave it dormant. In the cases I've been party to the code could have been used but the fact it wasn't doesn't indicate some strategic mistake, just that of multiple options coded only one was pursued. Software decisions are usually more flexible than h/w ones.
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Software decisions are usually more flexible than h/w ones.
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That's fine and valid in the software universe, but not in terms of software that runs hardware (notice I'm not saying "on hardware", I literally mean it runs the hardware) one part goes hand in hand with the other, else you're programming blindly.
They actually have these devices working and developed, just not mass-produced for the public.
I'm quite impressed they've managed to make the jump to 28nm so quickly really. So it doesn't surprise me that there's not that many Exynos chips floating around and won't be for a few months.
If anyone keeps up on graphics cards, you'll know why I'm impressed -- TSMC are pretty hilarious when it comes to shipping silicone on time
And given the above subject, NVidia has been guilty of far more "soft launches" than Samsung is pulling here (eg, BARELY ANY product out in the wild for months after launch).
Whether or not you can call it a failure I guess depends on how much money Samsung will "lose" from shipping the Krait units. Would it have been better to delay the S4 4-6 months so they could ship 100% Exynos? I have no idea here, but all I know is I'm expecting the Note III in 4-6 months, not the S4...
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I agree with this and think that at some point in the SGS4's lifetime there will be a Octa/RF360 LTE variant.
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Yes, but when it does will be later, our eyes will be looking at other devices and to first S6 rumors specs.
For those like me who want to move to S4 has to live with what we have today.
The local buzz for japan (based on regulatory filings) seems to indicate SC-04E model designation, Qualcomm hardware (a major but welcome turnaround), for Japan/Docomo.
Perhaps we'll see a later (mid-fiscal-year) introduction of an Exynos version identically specced to the korean Exynos/LTE version like they did with the S3 alpha.
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Going through the kernel sources, it's blatantly obvious that they have developed a phone with these specs.
I'm not claiming anything here; the above may either point out that Samsung will in the future have or replace the Qualcomm devices back with Exynos devices, or it may mean that the source code is older and displays Samsung's device line-up before they switched to Qualcomm. The question is, if they'll continue to source Qualcomm devices for the markets which got them from the beginning.
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If that turns out to be the case that they may replace the Qualcomm variants with Exynos, then I'm glad I got my Snapdragon variant before they do.
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The local buzz for japan (based on regulatory filings) seems to indicate SC-04E model designation, Qualcomm hardware (a major but welcome turnaround), for Japan/Docomo.
Perhaps we'll see a later (mid-fiscal-year) introduction of an Exynos version identically specced to the korean Exynos/LTE version like they did with the S3 alpha.
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^^ I doubt they will do that... And if they do probably only be out in Korea or japan because other Carriers wont bother with it, the reason why the carriers went for the 4G variant of the S3 I9305 is because the S3 didnt have 4G.
And the countries that chose the I9500 S4 dont really have a good 4G network and the ones that chose the I9505 do have a 4G network, The countries with a good 4g network did not choose the I9500 because of the fact they cant market it as being 4G and probably wont make as much sales. The real world consumer (Other then XDA) only cares for the Number 4 after the S ... And 4G is a bonus... If samsung releases another variant and markets it to the carriers as being S4 Octa + 4G, I really doubt the carriers will waste their money as the consumers will basically say "I have the S4 and it is 4G"... They wont understand what Octa is. Plus it would have to be a better Octa version than it is now because in real time usage you couldn't tell any difference with the I9505 and I9500... Only real clear difference is that the I9500 is alittle higher is some benchmarks. But who outside of the community cares about benchmarks.
1 year from now the S5 will be out I think they will concentrate on that
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^^ I doubt they will do that...
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Past history has shown otherwise. Its EXACTLY what was done with the S3 in this market. SC-06D was almost exactly like the AT&T carrier hardware (Qualcomm) and 6 months later same carrier introduced the SC-03E Exynos model.
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Past history has shown otherwise. Its EXACTLY what was done with the S3 in this market. SC-06D was almost exactly like the AT&T carrier hardware (Qualcomm) and 6 months later same carrier introduced the SC-03E Exynos model.
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Like I said IF they do it I recon it would only be in japan or korea. I cannot see my country (australia) or many other countries alike taking up the exact same phone and re-advertising it as an exynos... The normal consumer wont have a clue what they are talking about..They may change stock supplies but not market it at all so if someone decides to buy an S4 in 5-6 months it will automatically be shipped as Exynos/LTE, this maybe possible if the only reason samsung went with qualcomm was low stock issues and they needed to meet stock demand by a certain date to make the S4 Launch date happen.. But again realtime performance will be the same.
On the other hand if they do decide to make an update and market it as an update you would like to think it will be more then just a cpu change or slight Over clock .. hopefully its other updates that will see a difference in real time performance because at the moment real time performance is practically identical in the current S4 variants, Exynos & Snapdragon...
The affected model “N9500″ is produced by the Chinese manufacturer Star and looks very similar to a smartphone from a well-known manufacturer. It is not possible to remove the manipulated app and the spyware since they are integrated into the firmware. Large online retailers are still selling the Android device at prices ranging from 130 to 165 euros and distributing it across Europe.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/science-an...n-firmware-by-chinese-manucturer-2701904.html
Lol, easy to say.
I want to see one ROM that is built for those phones and does not include that malware.
I want to see one firmware update for this phone....
Even the BBC ran this story. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27908105
The phone doesn't even look like a Note 3. It looks like an S4/S5. Try there.
First hello to everyone,
I was wondering if this time will be the same as it was with G6 so I asked support and they answerd this
I qoute
Good afternoon Alen,*
Thank you for your query regarding your LG G7;*
I have had a look into this for you and sadly as we are an in warranty repair centre this is not something that we get advance notice on. As LG handsets only got Android 8 a few months ago I am guessing that this would be at some point in the early quarter of next year.*
Once the android version is created it then has to go to the individual manufacturers who then test for compatibility and will rework anything which causes issues and then the testing on handsets begins and I am led to believe that this is a length process.*
The likely hood is that the update will be on the handsets before we even know that it has been released.*
So when it comes to update, even with "lg's new update center" thing will be the same.
And to be clear i don't hate or something, I am okey with my device preformances this is more discussion type post cuz as i remember lg said that this new center sill get us update faster and clearly thats not the case
Sorry for typos
There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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I could not agree more to this. Software upgrades are a nice thing if they take the time to run it stable. I prefer stable software and better security above that. Thats why i left Sony for one reason tru unstable releases that took long time to fix or not and a phone that loose hes full functuality with crashes or connection problems at most important times is a pain.Untill now my G6 did fine and my G7.Be patient and be happy your G7 is a trusty companion on the way.
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This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
xeizo said:
There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
Support rarely if ever gets any info about things like software releases up until they actually come out. Until LG actually makes a statement it is best to just be patient.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
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Even my G7+ (India Variant) is on june security patch. At least security updates have to be released if not OS updates. Every money transfer is don't online nowadays, LG should take it seriously. Also there is still no 4k 60 fps update that rest of the world got.
Android P on the G7? Don't hold your breath. At the earliest, I'd say March of 2019. More realistically is May/June however. LG is quite terrible with Android updates.
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This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
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Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
fernando sor said:
Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Yeah unfortunately I was stuck with tmobile. I agree the pixel is the way to go.
The only issue I have with the Pixel is Google using it to push there cloud storage. That's why they won't put SD card slots on them. And I'm sorry but despite the fact it's 2018 we are still not a 100% connected world, not to mention at least in the US almost every carrier has data limits. Plus there are some that don't want to put everything they own up in the cloud. SD card storage is really the only reason I won't buy a Pixel.
And don't even mention USB-c adapters, I shouldn't have to carry around extra crap for more storage!
Void4ever
Apple have good products but not good for 1000 $ or more. They do update older models but we all know that they also made older phones go slower and there was problems with battery drain ect.
I am from Bosnia so here Iphones are really expensive and i mean it. Also Pixel is just a little bit cheaper.
I really like LG phones, after my HTC I had G4 G5 G6 and now G7. If I hadnt drop my G6 and brooke it I wouldnt even go to G7.
For the money you get good quality phone, nice specs and I dont mind ux cuz i am not fan of that rounded look on stock android.
I went and took Huawei p20 after my g6 and I had it for a day then returned it give more money and bought G7 cuz p20 is like toy compared to g7.
And even updates are not that big of a deal for me but what i mind is that they promised that big update center for faster updates and now not that we wont get android 9 for a while but as you guys said we are still on july patch.
I know that its better to wait for stable versions but they could be more efficiant with patches.
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sooner then u think
Take a look
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Take a look
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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thx buddy
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Hi, how did u installed this custom rom?
Anyway, official Android Pie looks to be way forward from now. LG V40 was just released, with Android 8.1 .....
On the bright side, for those with smart watches using Google Wear so was Wear OS 2.0 just released and it is entirely based on 8.0 Oreo. I suppose handsets with Android 8.0 will have a more bug free experience using those watches.