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stable root? DEVS READ FIRST POST, EDITED HACKED SPL [THINK TANK]

Ok, I'm ashamed to admit it.. but I'm unrooted.
I saw the sticky yesterday saying stop flashing. And it scared the hell outta me!
I don't fancy a random brick! If u ask me.. the only real issue with an unrooted phone, is the internal storage. Everything else just works.
Yeah I'd love to be tryin, and compilin my own roms. And I really wanna try cyanogenmod. But it ain't worth the randomness of the bricks were gettin.
So who is working on a way to flash the recovery? We need rw access sharpish!
I will even have a go at porting froyo, if we can get this done.
Tagged the topic as a think tank, in case people wanna collaborate.
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Ok guys... I found this...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589642
It's about hacking spls. Any dev help is appreciated
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philicibine said:
Ok, I'm ashamed to admit it.. but I'm unrooted.
I saw the sticky yesterday saying stop flashing. And it scared the hell outta me!
I don't fancy a random brick! If u ask me.. the only real issue with an unrooted phone, is the internal storage. Everything else just works.
Yeah I'd love to be tryin, and compilin my own roms. And I really wanna try cyanogenmod. But it ain't worth the randomness of the bricks were gettin.
So who is working on a way to flash the recovery? We need rw access sharpish!
I will even have a go at porting froyo, if we can get this done.
Tagged the topic as a think tank, in case people wanna collaborate.
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if you do everything in the tutorial, you will not brick your phone, many people have done it and just because some dont know how to use a console und dont have to be scared.

starchildx said:
if you do everything in the tutorial, you will not brick your phone, many people have done it and just because some dont know how to use a console und dont have to be scared.
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dude, are you out of your mind????????????
what do you mean? we did not do as the tutorial???? i have flashed my phone over 20-30 times. i did the root perfectly and the brick happenned after 20-30 flashes.
there are even developers who bricked their phones. think before making such comments and better inform yourself first!!!!

starchildx said:
if you do everything in the tutorial, you will not brick your phone, many people have done it and just because some dont know how to use a console und dont have to be scared.
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Please, stop this kind of message .... You will pay a new one to the guy who will brick it ? No ...
And you are talking of something you seems to don't know very well... Some devices have been bricked only by appliyng the 2 steps of the simple root process (without custom rom, a2SD ..) ...

if you do everything in the tutorial, you will not brick your phone, many people have done it and just because some dont know how to use a console und dont have to be scared.
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Man, maybe you should first read and than not post such a s**t. I bricked mine, too, and i think i know what i'm doing. If you would know about what you talk you would see that the cause for the bricked desires is not yet adressed, and that it could happen to anyone who rooted the phone

philicibine said:
Ok, I'm ashamed to admit it.. but I'm unrooted.
I saw the sticky yesterday saying stop flashing. And it scared the hell outta me!
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You are easily scared
I just dont understand why you unrooted. If you have root then you are out of harms way. The brick only occurs while flashing in recovery. If you already done that - there is absolutely no risk to brick your usb that way.

stingerpl said:
You are easily scared
I just dont understand why you unrooted. If you have root then you are out of harms way. The brick only occurs while flashing in recovery. If you already done that - there is absolutely no risk to brick your usb that way.
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I dunno man? My usb has been playing up recently. Been rooted since r1 and now I'm having trouble getting in recovery. Get a new and wonderful message everytime!
I've just put it down to my pc being a lazy f*ck! Hahahaha!! I just keep trying 'til it decides to do what I'm telling it to. Always get there in the end, there's no way I'm "unrooting". If I brick my Desire somehow, well, then I'll just cross that bridge when I come to it.

MrBadgerMilk said:
If I brick my Desire somehow, well, then I'll just cross that bridge when I come to it.
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Ditto!
10char

Seriously guys, i just don't know how you manage to **** up your phone. Just don't be a maverick installing any old custom rom out there, do as I did : root the phone and stick with the stock rooted rom.
I've tried quite a bunch of custom roms and their different revisions, and I still find the stock rooted one (without any of the experimental A2SD crap) is by far the most stable.

phentex said:
Seriously guys, i just don't know how you manage to f**k up your phone. Just don't be a maverick installing any old custom rom out there, do as I did : root the phone and stick with the stock rooted rom.
I've tried quite a bunch of custom roms and their different revisions, and I still find the stock rooted one (without any of the experimental A2SD crap) is by far the most stable.
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Good for you, you rooted and found a rom you liked. Other people have different reasons for rooting, and for you to simply say 'do as you did' isn't exactly helpful or useful.
The primary reason people rooted was for the A2SD. Now to be clear, it doesn't matter one bit what ROM you flash with, there is still a fair chance you can brick the device during the flash process. There is no pattern, no particular issue and no particular rom that causes the fault to occur.
No one has yet actually found the reason for the problems. If people want to go ahead and flash their devices, then fine, but at least with threads like this and the sticky, people are made well aware of the risks and potential problems.
By the way, stop swearing on the forum. Children post and read here.

since HTC released the kernel code, I thought it would be easier to revert back to enterily stock

Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]
Well,i made some roms for my desire, some didnt work and i was stuck in the bootloader,but i could fix it everytime. I Flaschen my device over 20 times.
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starchildx said:
Well,i made some roms for my desire, some didnt work and i was stuck in the bootloader,but i could fix it everytime. I Flaschen my device over 20 times.
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And ? Like a lot of those who have bricked their device the 21th flash ....

Seeing as you can't flash over the SPL and radio anyway, once you are successfully rooted, it's probably impossible to get to a state of full bricking. Anything will be recoverable with a gold card and/or a RUU.

Unlike many others, I only got root because I wanted access to paid apps. AFAIK root is needed for that. So I'm running the stock rooted ROM, and the radio update, provided by Paul. I won't flash anything until a rooted 2.2 ROM is out...and who knows...maybe after 2.2 the bricking problem will be gone?

socktug said:
Good for you, you rooted and found a rom you liked. Other people have different reasons for rooting, and for you to simply say 'do as you did' isn't exactly helpful or useful.
The primary reason people rooted was for the A2SD. Now to be clear, it doesn't matter one bit what ROM you flash with, there is still a fair chance you can brick the device during the flash process. There is no pattern, no particular issue and no particular rom that causes the fault to occur.
No one has yet actually found the reason for the problems. If people want to go ahead and flash their devices, then fine, but at least with threads like this and the sticky, people are made well aware of the risks and potential problems.
By the way, stop swearing on the forum. Children post and read here.
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There is actually a reason found if you have been reading the threads over at Modaco, When the phone hits the bootloop in the flashing process, it seems after the third boot loop, the phone stays in a constant debug mode. I did have the boot loop after one flash, but i was VERY lucky as had the back of the phone off and pulled the battery befor the third bootloop, i truely belive that has saved my bacon.......
Have flashed a fair few times using all the methords posted on the modaco and XDA forums. all worked flawlessly..... but i too have kept on stock ROM.
Wont flash Customem ROMs untill im either a developer or the spl gets fully opened.
And socktugs right watch your launguage please all
EDIT: As per Stingerpl Suggests if you notice a bootloop occuring take the battery out ASAP!!

It is generally a good idea to take your battery out on first bootloop, go to recovery and nandroid restore. Might save your USB from bricking
I still can't understand why someone would want to unroot because of this. You're already past the risky procedure.

I guess a fully function root need some info about the current root. Anyone know what exploits was used and how its been applied?

maybe the problem is exotic hardware in the pc/laptop. i'm using a standart motherboard with a intel chipset, i never had any problems with rooting or unlocking or flashing any device.
for the people that have problems under linux, what do dmesg say ?

potter1984 said:
There is actually a reason found if you have been reading the threads over at Modaco, When the phone hits the bootloop in the flashing process, it seems after the third boot loop, the phone stays in a constant debug mode. I did have the boot loop after one flash, but i was VERY lucky as had the back of the phone off and pulled the battery befor the third bootloop, i truely belive that has saved my bacon.......
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Maybe the boot loop has something to do with it... but there are simple ways to avoid a boot loop.
I flashed my desire several times... and had bootloops occur several times. None bricked my phone.. fortunatley!
The reason i found for my boot loops, was NOT WIPING EVERYTHING!
I have read on modaco forums, that Paul's recovery does not clear the dalvik cache, when it is on a partitioned sd card. Maybe it is something to do with the rooting process (no rw access).
The only answer I found, was to re-partition the sdcard everytime. thus wiping all partitions.
So as with any rom you download... READ THE F`ING MANUAL!! its always best to do a FULL wipe. Then your getting the rom, as the developer wanted you to have it.
So not a solution, but some words of advice for noobs! And hopefully we can avoid too many more bricks!!
I will keep monitoring this thread and will update the title if / when we have any developments.
Maybe we need to pray for an engineering SPL

Some extremely noobish questions

my dad is going to get me a samsung captivate for my birthday next week, and I really want to get the most out of the device. I have several questions that I could not find the answers to:
1. what is the chance that loading a custom rom will brick the device? I see a ton of disclaimers on rom pages and stuff. how dangerous is this?
2. can you fix a "bricked" captivate? is it possible to flash it back to stock, or does bricked mean perminatly dead?
3. how long will it be until there is a gingerbread rom? I wanted to get the nexus s, but I have to go att. how long will I have to wait for that gingerbread tastyness?
thanks for the help.

ghost55 said:
my dad is going to get me a samsung captivate for my birthday next week, and I really want to get the most out of the device. I have several questions that I could not find the answers to:
1. what is the chance that loading a custom rom will brick the device? I see a ton of disclaimers on rom pages and stuff. how dangerous is this?
2. can you fix a "bricked" captivate? is it possible to flash it back to stock, or does bricked mean perminatly dead?
3. how long will it be until there is a gingerbread rom? I wanted to get the nexus s, but I have to go att. how long will I have to wait for that gingerbread tastyness?
thanks for the help.
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1. There is always a chance to brick your phone even if it is .00009% it is still there.
2. Make sure you can get into download and recovery mode with the 3 button combo. As long as you can get there then you can just about always recover no matter what you do to it. Key word being almost. There are also other ways to recover, look around and I am sure you will find them.
3. That part is still up in the air. Untill we get a full port. Right now we are still waiting (well at least some of us) for an offical 2.2 update let alone a 2.3 update.
Make sure you read at least the first page in the rom thread you are gonna flash for any extra instructions

so pretty much it is unlikely that I will brick it, and even if I do, it is possible to fix?

ghost55 said:
so pretty much it is unlikely that I will brick it, and even if I do, it is possible to fix?
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It is highly unlikely that you will brick it. Most bricks can be recovered from. The only time I have not been able to recover is when att did the OTA and it bricked my phone and I didn't know about jtag at the time so I sent back to att and it was replaced. Is it 100% umbrickable? No but i would say 99% as long as you read up first and follow the directions to a T you will be fine. I have flashed about 1500 times and nothing i could not recover from
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thanks. I just wanted to make sure that it was fairly safe to modify, because the phone is not cheap,and it would kind of suck to brick the device 10min ito owning it.

ya I was the same way as you, kind of nervous about bricking my new phone. Just read up on all of the various rom threads. If you have a good idea what you're doing the chances of bricking should be quite small.

I agree (with all of the above) and there is an excellent how-to link to YouTube vids in the Development section (too late and heading to bed or I'd link it) that steps you through rooting and installing ROM. I've been there, done that but it's a great reference for anyone thinking about installing a custom ROM....nice to SEE someone do it to ease the fears.

Permanent Brick?

im still noob on nexus s, i just would like to ask if there is a possibility to permanently brick a nexus s?

Sure, why not. But you gotta be doing a lot stuff wrong before you hard brick the NxS.

As long as your careful, no. No full brick as been reported with.nexus s yet.

snandlal said:
As long as your careful, no. No full brick as been reported with.nexus s yet.
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Actually some ppl bricked their devices by destroying the EFS folder, resulting in no IMEI. You can still fix this with a hardware mod, but not everyone is capable of doing that nor has access to it (and it's illegal mostlikely).

rentaric said:
Actually some ppl bricked their devices by destroying the EFS folder, resulting in no IMEI. You can still fix this with a hardware mod, but not everyone is capable of doing that nor has access to it (and it's illegal mostlikely).
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is the hardware mod you're talking about is something like with hardware tool like jtag, or etc? so if this happened to me, i can't fix it alone with the use of some software tool, i need to send it in a repair shop?

sorry for these irritating noob questions,
maybe tomorrow i will root my nexus s with 1click root by borky_16, if i failed to install it, what kind of brick will i be getting?

You have a developer phone with a unlockable bootloader. Learn how to do it the proper way and not some 1click nonsense for a nexus/GED device.
To be honest if you can't install the sdk and follow the very simple instructions how to root/flash/nandroid etc you really have no business with su privileges on any *nix machine.

albundy2010 said:
You have a developer phone with a unlockable bootloader. Learn how to do it the proper way and not some 1click nonsense for a nexus/GED device.
To be honest if you can't install the sdk and follow the very simple instructions how to root/flash/nandroid etc you really have no business with su privileges on any *nix machine.
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Exactly. Read the directions and you'll be fine It is veryyyy easy.

zhane0513 said:
is the hardware mod you're talking about is something like with hardware tool like jtag, or etc? so if this happened to me, i can't fix it alone with the use of some software tool, i need to send it in a repair shop?
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bro, im from the philippines too, my nexus s is just stuck at the google logo, i brought it to the repair shop already and they cant fix it, they said whenever they try to unlock the bootloader it keeps hanging up. i really dont know what else to do, the guy there told me to have my nexus s jtag'd but im not sure of leaving my phone there.
guys, what should i do?

tnx for your replies dudes...i will try my best to learn about nexus world anyway, i have also an old android phone which i was able to root install custom roms/kernels/tweaks/etc it would be a good prior knowledge though,

ouch...what did u do to made it into brick? try sending it to samsung shops, even though warranty is voided, they can still repair your phone with service fee i think

if you dont know what you are doing is,it might be.

i know a little bit cause i install mods/roms/kernels/tweaks to my previous android phone...just asking to be more safer

zhane0513 said:
ouch...what did u do to made it into brick? try sending it to samsung shops, even though warranty is voided, they can still repair your phone with service fee i think
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it was lowbatt then it shutdown, after i charged it, it never booted up till the x animation its just stuck at the google logo.. hassle, i bought this phone from india so i dont think samsung shops here in manila will even try to fix it.. i gave it to a really well known technician he said he was gonna jtag it.. i just hope he can fix my nexus s, i just had it for 3months.

can you brick the phone by undervolting too much ?
or you can always get into fastboot recovery and flash a stock rom ? (or change the uv settings via ADB)

mine is completely bricked, i sent it back to samsung india, cause im based in the philippines. after my technician tried to use odin and he even jtag'd it now it wont boot up, its just dead. i hope samsung india fixes it for free cause its still locked.

Thing I should explain something. Bricks are forever. That's what brick means. That being said, you can as some call it "soft" brick and recover. A true brick, becomes just that, a "brick". The device will never run again from anything the end user can do.
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Now bricks are not forever...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236273
Sent from my unbrickable cappy *bam*

[Q] Quick Question Re: Nvflash

Hey all,
Sorry but I'm new at rooting and android in general. I just picked up a transformer for black friday and am debating rooting it. I was wondering if nvflash will work with my tablet (B90...sbkv2) and if not, if you have any idea if/when it will be made to work with it. I don't want to root and flash another rom onto the tablet if there's a large risk of bricking it. Also, I was just wondering in general what the chances are for bricking a tablet by flashing a rom.
Thanks a lot!

dkleinrodick said:
Hey all,
Sorry but I'm new at rooting and android in general. I just picked up a transformer for black friday and am debating rooting it. I was wondering if nvflash will work with my tablet (B90...sbkv2) and if not, if you have any idea if/when it will be made to work with it. I don't want to root and flash another rom onto the tablet if there's a large risk of bricking it. Also, I was just wondering in general what the chances are for bricking a tablet by flashing a rom.
Thanks a lot!
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NvFlash won't work, but the guide below works without problems. There is little chance of bricking it, but the chance still exists.
TBH, I have never seen someone with a completely bricked tablet due to software reasons. Software problems are fixable in most cases, altough it can take a few days to find the right fix.
One legal notice: I won't pay if you brick your tablet, so you don't have to believe me. And rooting will probably break the warranty.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347388

I was wondering about this too. I have a B90 and my biggest concern is if flashing a custom ROM glitches and messes up recovery.
It happened on my phone recently, and I was stuck with no recovery or firmware but luckily had an equivalent of NVFlash. I'd be worried if I didn't have this available, just in case.
How is CWM installed? Is it likely to become damaged or lost? Or is it deeper embedded to stop that from happening?
I really wanna get a custom ROM on it but I'm absolutely terrified of bricking it given there's no fallback :/

Bricking and soft Bricking

I know the benefits of and disadvantages of rooting. Last time I did it I tried to download a custom ROM but I tried to make an app my operating system therefore bricking it. I didn't make a backup of the from clockwork either.
So how often do those of you that have your phones rooted brick them? It doesn't matter if it's a soft brick or a hard brick. Say how many times you've done it and how many phones you've had that have been rooted.
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Since I try to mod and develop roms and kernels, I brick my device VERY often. But I know not to touch the bootloaders because its easy to recover from a soft brick..a hard brick not so much.
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Soft bricked my Droid 2 a few times. The first few were right after I got MIUI. Most of the times since then it's been switching between Galnet, MIUI V4, and CM9. I'm guessing it has to do with moving between GB and ICS framework.

yea same as the poster above me, I switched between the MIUI and KAOPT. soft bricked twice but managed to pull out

Can you even brick your phone if you're not downloading ROMs? Or can something else brick it also.
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