Hey guys sorry if I'm posting in a wrong section. I want to ask someone with more knowledge than me..
Our phone is "4g" we know hardware wise it supports up to 21ms download speeds.
Even tho its running on a tmobiles 42+ network hpsa.
And the new nexus isn't "4g" but will it run in those higher speeds than our phone does? Since later "4g" models for tmobile like s2 are running faster than our sgs4g..
It just seems confusing because nexus isn't specifically made for T-Mobile, its made for entire world.. so will they actually utilize tmobiles us 42+ speeds? Or will the nexus be slower than our phone or on par or faster?
If u have any clue please let me know since I'm thinking of buying this phone from Google for $299 off contract so I can use it on my prepaid unlimited T-Mobile plan.
THANKS
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Oo BTW... here in Brooklyn, NY I mostly get around 8-10 mbs speed
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Yes, it's been confirmed that the Nexus 4 will support HSPA+ 42 on T-Mobile.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tmobile+hspa%2B42+nexus+4
I'm in the SF Bay area and I typically see 2-5 Mbps down on T-Mobile. While driving, I can't reliably receive a 128 kbps stream. Even if the modulation supports higher speeds, if the back haul isn't there, does it matter?
Seems a bit like bragging that your farm tractor has a speedometer that goes up to 200 MPH.
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jeffsf said:
I'm in the SF Bay area and I typically see 2-5 Mbps down on T-Mobile. While driving, I can't reliably receive a 128 kbps stream. Even if the modulation supports higher speeds, if the back haul isn't there, does it matter?
Seems a bit like bragging that your farm tractor has a speedometer that goes up to 200 MPH.
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Lust to add the Nexus 4 will get "4G" service just not LTE 4G.
So in other words nexus 4 data speeds should be faster than ours correct?
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No it will be the same.
How will it be the same if our phone only supports up to 21mbps?
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The SGS4G supports the fastest data speeds available on T-Mobile. HSPA+ is up to 42mbps the radio can receive UP to that speed but the verifiable speeds is 21mbps.
Remember until Verizon started using LTE HSDPA+ was the industry 4G. And worldwide HSDPA+ is the current standard for 4G.
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eollie said:
The SGS4G supports the fastest data speeds available on T-Mobile. HSPA+ is up to 42mbps the radio can receive UP to that speed but the verifiable speeds is 21mbps.
Remember until Verizon started using LTE HSDPA+ was the industry 4G. And worldwide HSDPA+ is the current standard for 4G.
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Actually, our phone radio only supports theoretical speeds of 21 Mbps. It most likely will never reach this unless everyone else gets off the network and you're the only one left. Without going into much detail it basically can only receive a certain amount of transmissions making it limited to 21 Mbps
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Actually, our phone radio only supports theoretical speeds of 21 Mbps. It most likely will never reach this unless everyone else gets off the network and you're the only one left. Without going into much detail it basically can only receive a certain amount of transmissions making it limited to 21 Mbps
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The way I understand is the radio's are the same. However T-mobile has manipulated the output to access 42mbps down if it is available. The network is 2100mhz and that is what the 42Mbps uses to transmit on T-Mobiles network. The SGS4G has access to the 2100mhz frequency so theoretically it should be capable of those speeds.
I only state this because I have researched this a ton since the Nexus 4 was "announced". I plan on moving to straight talk with their t-mobile sim. And want to make sure I can utilize the network to its fullest when Im in a 4G area. I know when I was in St. Louis I was able to download faster than my cousins Droid Razer on LTE.
So based on what u guys are saying.... no matter hspa+ or "4g" label ... nexus 4 shouldn't be any bit slower than galaxy 2 or galaxy 3 on tmobiles network.. correct?
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AlexSochi8 said:
So based on what u guys are saying.... no matter hspa+ or "4g" label ... nexus 4 shouldn't be any bit slower than galaxy 2 or galaxy 3 on tmobiles network.. correct?
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This is correct.
Thanx guys.. then for us on T-Mobile there should be no reason not to get a nexus 4
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Well heres mine.
Was connected to HSDPA 2.55mb down and .29 up......rather slow.
3.54 down and 1.6 up
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We should see a solid difference once the backhaul work is done. It will display the h+ anywhere there's 3g.
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3.54 down and 1.6 up
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H+ or HSDPA?
Hsdpa
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H+ or HSDPA?
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Running the attn1's ROM
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not bad, i could get those speeds from my nexus one but not my inspire...very uninspiring
Stock
2120 kbps Down
108 kbps Up
I can wait to root this thing!
On HSDPA I am hitting 3.3 down and 370k up.
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Did anyone else realize that the bottom cover is actually the phones antenna? I just figured that out...
On HSPDA used the FCC app to run the test... 3.02mbps down, 0.29mbps up
Seeing these speeds are scaring me away from switching from T-Mobile to AT&T. On T-Mobile I get 4.70 mbps download and 1.32mbps upload on a Nexus One on hspa (3g) and not hspa+ (4g). Damn I want a new phone already, the inspire is a great piece on hardware!
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Seeing these speeds are scaring me away from switching from T-Mobile to AT&T. On T-Mobile I get 4.70 mbps download and 1.32mbps upload on a Nexus One on hspa (3g) and not hspa+ (4g). Damn I want a new phone already, the inspire is a great piece on hardware!
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None of us seem to be on hspa+ either. It seems it may not be truly turned on til march.
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"4G Evolution
AT&T has deployed HSPA+ to virtually 100% of our nation's fastest mobile broadband network, which enables 4G speeds when combined with enhanced backhaul. We are rapidly expanding enhanced backhaul to cell sites throughout the country, adding new cell sites weekly."
Something isn't right here. I've gotten of 3mb/s on my captivate.
The enhanced backhaul part is what's gonna get you higher speeds. It's not a new network or anything. Once it's done in a given area it also has to be "flipped on". That's pretty much what we're waiting for.
I've gotten up to 3000 down, 1900 up on my rooted captivate at my home cell site, but haven't broken 1600 down and 500 up on the non-rooted stock Inspire at the same place.
I have a rooted Captivate running Cognition and my Inspire is testing faster. You can run the test 30 sec apart and get wildly different results though.
im getting 3453 down and 423 up on HSPA+
Where is you location? Your the first with hspa+
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which speed test website r u guys using? and which program to test speed? on opera i get like 6k down n on stock internet i get like 4k down. im in DC. im pretty sure opera compresses the website so it makes it move faster but idk. mine is pretty fast. especially @ night.
i use mobilespeedtest.com
on speedtest.net i got 3.44mbps down and .26mbps up. first try
4.17, .29 second try.
I live in fresno ca so only "4g" here is tmo which sucks for the places i frequent.
Theres no 4g with sprint att nor verizon and i heard att is fastest 3g
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At$t is the faster of the 3 though this also depends on how saturated the network is in your area. I have seen 3g on at&t anywhere from 4mg down to slower than edge speeds. You really need to test your local network or get responses from people in your area.
Typical speed for me in Greenville SC is 1900 down 1300 up.
on ATT here is los angeles area, i get 3Mbps down and 1.5Mbps, pretty much everywhere i go no matter what. HSPA+ has not been turned on near me as far as i can tell.
Same here for So Cal. I got 3 down and 1.5 up
Oh no another poor Fresno soul. (Nothing to contribute, I just live here as well.)
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Uh oh its turning into a Fresno thread. (Fresno also, but on Sprint)
2mbps flash here in chattanooga.. we won't talk upload speed there isn't any
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3Mbps down and 1.3 up in northern Fort Worth. No HSPA+ here yet.
No HSPA+ in Cincinnati yet, so 2.5 - 3 Mbps down is as good as it gets. 300 kbps up until I get HSUPA enabled. I'm just rooted stock at the moment.
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Topeka KS here i get 2.5/1.5 pretty consistant
Only 4g market near is Sprints and its in KC, My gf's EVO gets about 6mbps there.
T-Mobile Makes America’s Largest 4G Network Even Faster by Lighting Up 42 Mbps Speed in Las Vegas, New York and Orlando
The Company’s Innovative 4G Device Portfolio Expands With Tablet, Mobile Broadband Devices and Smartphones, Including the T-Mobile G2x with Google
Orlando, Fla. and Bellevue, Wash. — Mar. 21, 2011 PDT
Today at the International CTIA Wireless 2011, T-Mobile USA, Inc. announced the expansion of its broad selection of consumer-ready 4G products, including the T-Mobile® G2x with Google™ which is built for speed and mobile entertainment. T-Mobile also announced the first major markets where it is doubling the speed of its 4G network to achieve a theoretical download speed of 42 Mbps. T-Mobile customers in Las Vegas, New York and Orlando, Fla., will be the first in the country to experience the increased 4G speed, followed closely by Chicago and further expansion of the New York network into Long Island, N.Y., and Northern New Jersey. By mid-year, T-Mobile expects 140 million Americans in 25 markets to have access to increased 4G speeds.
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http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4g-smartphone-tablet-network-sidekick-g2x-gslate
That new just cheered me up a little that we could theoretically get up to 42 Mbps 4G speeds. Can't wait to see how fast the speeds would be once they activate those speeds
No more upgrade to 42mbps why waist money let AT&T do the upgrade
Don't cheer too much yet, we need to wait a year. Also in a year AT&T will fully acquire T-Mobile and its networks. They paid the T-Mobile's owner 25BILLION up front. And AT&T will recieve the other 14BILLION from stock shares.
I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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Hmmm...would seem redundant due to tmos larger 4g network and since they're both gsm networks there shouldn't be an issue.
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I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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Yeah, i read on several sites that att is going to turn off the tmo 3g bands and convert it to theirs. I guess once the merger is complete it will render all tmo 3g/4g useless once they turn it off. At least us with 4g can enjoy faster speeds before att shuts it down.
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I read that at&t is shutting down the 3g band but u can still access the 4g bands since it will be the same at as at&t's..
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Yeah, i read on several sites that att is going to turn off the tmo 3g bands and convert it to theirs. I guess once the merger is complete it will render all tmo 3g/4g useless once they turn it off. At least us with 4g can enjoy faster speeds before att shuts it down.
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Can you cite any reliable sources that say our phones will be useless? According to t-mo, they will work fine...
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/t-mobile-posts-question-answer-on-att-acquisition/
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Agree with the guy above. Sources?
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Here is one link. ATT want current T-Mobile "4G" spectrum for LTE. GSM will continue to work on TMO phones the way I read it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/21/confirmed-atandt-wants-to-use-t-mobiles-aws-spectrum-for-lte-bui/
Att is looking to add frequencies to their new phones coming out. That way they can free up some of the congestion. If you think about it....killing off the tmo 4g would be stupid. Heck we only get 2g where I live now. Do you really need 3g or 4g? Nope I get plenty of wifi when out and about! Failed attempt by att as far as I'm concerned.
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I highly doubt they will turn off T-Mobiles 4G it would be a disadvantage to service and a useless expense.
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this would be great if i was getting drastically higher speeds on my mt4g. I get maybe 1 mb higher (on avg) than a non hspa+ device. so i dont care if it is 100mpbs im not seeing any huge speed boost in my HSPA+ area (miami, fl)
Quick question, doesn't the nexus s have the same bandwidths as t-mobile AND at&t? If so, the nexus s it is.
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The only thing I'm worried about is at&ts plans. Once my contract is up having to switch to there worthless plans is bs. I got unlimited everything right now.
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So on my phone It says 3G at the top. Sometimes. It says H. But I have miui Tom currently and probably forever? Most of the time when I wana download something from the market I have to pull down the drop down menu and turn off the data icon and turn it back on to refresh the data. Wait for a few seconds and let it work again. I have no problems texting and receiving them. Or browsing the internet. But for the market I'm having to refresh the data. Wondering if there is anything I could do
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the lack of an h or 4g is just indicating that you dont have a hspa connection which has more to do with your area than your phone. the infuse is a 3g device but t-mo started advertising the hspa+ as 4g and att followed. it still operates on the same network and technology as 3g but is faster. 4g is lte (which the infuse doesn't have.) or wimax i guess but that is crappy sprint 4g that is not faster than att 3g and is only deserving of the 4g title because it is literally there 4th generation data network, not because it is actually comperable.
in other countries h and h+ are refered to as 3.5g and/or 3g+ because it is not truely a new generation of network, just 3g made faster.
the market problem is probably do to it being a i9000 port. i dont know what the nature of the bug is but it shows on the i9000 roms and i havent run an aosp rom so i dont know if it is normal for miui or not.
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the lack of an h or 4g is just indicating that you dont have a hspa connection which has more to do with your area than your phone. the infuse is a 3g device but t-mo started advertising the hspa+ as 4g and att followed. it still operates on the same network and technology as 3g but is faster. 4g is lte (which the infuse doesn't have.) or wimax i guess but that is crappy sprint 4g that is not faster than att 3g and is only deserving of the 4g title because it is literally there 4th generation data network, not because it is actually comperable.
in other countries h and h+ are refered to as 3.5g and/or 3g+ because it is not truely a new generation of network, just 3g made faster.
the market problem is probably do to it being a i9000 port. i dont know what the nature of the bug is but it shows on the i9000 roms and i havent run an aosp rom so i dont know if it is normal for miui or not.
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Ohh OK. So 4G doesn't mean 4G speeds. It means 4th generation. As in new. I always thought 4G meant speed 4 ghz or something of high speed data. Something to do with speed. Now that I think of it. G stands for Generation. Anyway thanks
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technokid said:
Ohh OK. So 4G doesn't mean 4G speeds. It means 4th generation. As in new. I always thought 4G meant speed 4 ghz or something of high speed data. Something to do with speed. Now that I think of it. G stands for Generation. Anyway thanks
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The speeds do get faster as the generations progresses, but actual 4g speeds were supposed to be 100mb lol that failed haha. Anyway the market problem happens to me too. If you search apns in CM7 or the MIUI forum there is a fix. I applied it before, and it worked. I am just too lazy to do it again because for me it is not that big of a pain lol.
You won't always have 4G speeds. It's more like 3G+ lol. HSPA+. Get it? Lol if you want 4G speeds for LTE
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Seriously? Another dumb post about phones not getting 4g. Some 4g phones have h and some have 3g icons. Read other threads and maybe you will learn something for once in your life.
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The speeds do get faster as the generations progresses, but actual 4g speeds were supposed to be 100mb lol that failed haha. Anyway the market problem happens to me too. If you search apns in CM7 or the MIUI forum there is a fix. I applied it before, and it worked. I am just too lazy to do it again because for me it is not that big of a pain lol.
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Thanks I'll look That uhp
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I heard somewhere that MIUI doesn't support 4G the same as the stock ROM. When I used MIUI I got slower speeds than stock. Not significantly slower, but "meh" speeds. Otherwise there isn't much of a difference, it only switched to actual "4G" when you're downloading something anyway..
Hey guys!
Is there a way we can disable the 4G connection and only use 3G? Any help that you guys can as provide will be greatly appreciated!
There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
4G = 3G
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There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
4G = 3G
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4G LTE = LTE (our phone doesn't support it)
4G = 3G + extra stuff to be better... but still techically 4G as it's AT&T's 4th generation of technology
3G = 3G
But I don't think that there's a way you can disable "4G" and only use 3G... you can disable 3G/4G and only use 2G though.
ATRIX 2 supports 21mbit hspa+ that's what they call 4G. 3g is really just slower versions of hspa+ for us. Post above is correct about LTE. LTE is better than hspa+ also.
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There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
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my wifes iphone 4 must suck then.
hers is a "3g" and gets about 1.25 mbps
my atrix 2 4G gets 4.45 mbps
i think 4g is a bunch faster than 3g.....
or its just that the iphone a generally crap.
take your pick i suppose.
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my wifes iphone 4 must suck then.
hers is a "3g" and gets about 1.25 mbps
my atrix 2 4G gets 4.45 mbps
i think 4g is a bunch faster than 3g.....
or its just that the iphone a generally crap.
take your pick i suppose.
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Well it's both really .
But our phone is about as fast as you can get on AT&T's network without using LTE. The OG Atrix also was "4G" but it was only 14.x mb/sec while our A2's radio supports up to 21.x mb/sec (or something around there). The iPhone X's only support 3G.
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ATRIX 2 supports 21mbit hspa+ that's what they call 4G. 3g is really just slower versions of hspa+ for us. Post above is correct about LTE. LTE is better than hspa+ also.
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Not too sure what you guys are meaning when you say better....
I was interested in the differences a while back and after researching around quite a bit, found that the speeds really depended on the phone's programming more so than whether it was LTE or HSPA+.
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Not too sure what you guys are meaning when you say better....
I was interested in the differences a while back and after researching around quite a bit, found that the speeds really depended on the phone's programming more so than whether it was LTE or HSPA+.
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LTE has higher bandwidth, and is less populated. HSPA+ can go up to 21mbit, yes, (which is less than LTE) BUT most AT&T HSPA+ deployments are 7mbit or 14mbit.
HSPA+ users typically see ~4-5mbit or so, maybe up to 7mbit on a 14.4mbit cell, but LTE users typically can see 9-11mbit+.
The best speedtest I have ever gotten on my phone was in the 5mbit range. SLC only has 7mbit HSPA+ from what I can tell, and since AT&T is going to LTE, it appears they wont be upgrading the HSPA+ network any more.
you're lucky. Around my area all you can get is 2-3 mbs.
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you're lucky. Around my area all you can get is 2-3 mbs.
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Thats what I usually get too, but if I am right near a cell tower I can get the ~5mbit speeds.
Yeah, "4G" is actually HSPA+, which AT&T actually was going to call 3G+. The 4G crap came around because T-Mobile marketed it that way and if AT&T stuck with 3G+ they took the risk of people thinking T-Mobile was faster and losing customers. LTE was what they planned to call 4G.
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Thats what I usually get too, but if I am right near a cell tower I can get the ~5mbit speeds.
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Yeah, i'm in Orlando and normally getting 2-4 mbps...
I visited Boston a few Weeks ago and was getting 13!!!!!
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Their hspa+ is like 3.5 g its def better then reg 3g
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I feel as if their labeling of 4g was a bit deceiving as well but its understandable if it was meant to keep up with TMobile because of all the confusion between 4g and 4g lte.
The good news is that I don't believe our 4g is as battery-consuming as 4g lte, its probably about the same as regular 3g.
If you're wanting to limit it to 2g though there is a way to do it even though the menu is left out from our 'Settings'. Use anycut to get to network settings directly and choose GSM only.
At least T-Mobile's HSPA+ is significantly faster than "3G" - not an entirely undeserved title for them. ATT...not so much.
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At least T-Mobile's HSPA+ is significantly faster than "3G" - not an entirely undeserved title for them. ATT...not so much.
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i got 13mbs on at&t so it works good for me
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i got 13mbs on at&t so it works good for me
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That's pretty good. Max I've seen is 11mbit down.
I didn't believe it at first so I reran the speedtest a couple times to make sure.
Mine has topped out around 9Mbps, sadly.
It's not throughput that's bad on a decent 3G network, a lot of time's it's the latency. Meh. Whatever. Long live LTE.
I ran just ran the speedtest.net app and I have 7.20 mbps down and 1.13 up here in Atlanta. Thats even better than basic dsl albiet cable beats it easily....