:good:Yes, this is yet another thread about the TF700 Infinity but this one is to counter all of the negative threads created by folks who come to xda--a developers' site, crying about their laggy Infinity, when all they have to do is unlock, root and mod -- choose from CleanROM 2.3, Clemsyn's OC kernel, Cyanogenmod (official and un), Baked Black Bean, Paranoid Android and others...take your pick!--to make it the fastest jellybean tablet with the highest resolution screen in existance. Come on guys! No more whining.
Regardless of that, I'm still buying Nexus 10 and throwing tf700 away.
I lined up my square trade and unlocked. agree 100% with OP.. this thing is a whole new beast. Not worried if something happens down the road because I lined up my warranty first. Plus needed the warranty in case something tragic like a drop or shatter happens in next couple years. Losing the manufacturer warranty really is minor to me. Not like they would cover if I accidentally shattered the screen.. of course as all post IMO.
EDIT. I just got an email from Squaretrade. I can't guarantee this for all, but the email says if you go to their Facebook today 11/1 and like it then enter your email you can get a 40% off coupon. Think about it. 2 yr protection including accident and water cost around $100 to cover a $500 product. Take 40% off that. Unlock your device and have fun. . I haven't tried since I already have. Just figured I would share for those that might be able to use it.
One more thing. sorry for the updates.. the small print in the email states that the promotion is from 11/1-11/15. If you do it you will get your code in an email on 11/16. So not instant, but still. Hope this helps someone. Hate to sound like I am selling them..
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Regardless of that, I'm still buying Nexus 10 and throwing tf700 away.
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Please, throw it my way if you are going to "throw it away"! Or, better yet, throw it to a developer who can make this device even better!
I'm sure the Nexus 10 will be a great device, but it's certainly not going to be *that* much better than the Infinity. It amazing how many people are making decisions purely based on specs...
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Please, throw it my way if you are going to "throw it away"! Or, better yet, throw it to a developer who can make this device even better!
I'm sure the Nexus 10 will be a great device, but it's certainly not going to be *that* much better than the Infinity. It amazing how many people are making decisions purely based on specs...
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Well, my decision is purely based on screen res. I do photography I like to enjoy my photos on a tablet with a high-res screen.
I do really enjoy iPad 3 screen, Nexus 10 one is going to be even better.
On a side note, I really hope that Samsung will provide a decent flash memory controller, so the thing flies with a stock rom.
Once CleanROM is available for Nexus 10, I will be one of the first ones to install it !
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Well, my decision is purely based on screen res. I do photography I like to enjoy my photos on a tablet with a high-res screen.
I do really enjoy iPad 3 screen, Nexus 10 one is going to be even better.
On a side note, I really hope that Samsung will provide a decent flash memory controller, so the thing flies with a stock rom.
Once CleanROM is available for Nexus 10, I will be one of the first ones to install it !
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Lol seriously? lol some of you guys are hilarious. The tf700 screen is one of the best on a tablet for its size. Looking at the side by side views of the tf700 and the N10..then look EXACTLY THE SAME. Lol at this screen size condensing any more pixels is just novel. You are basically doing what apple fanboys do, see specs and swear that it will revamp your entire experience, when in actuality your just wasting your money... And like J said above, throw you tablet to someone who will make this beast even better!
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Man, I would take you comment seriously if not a stuck power button in my TF700.
I had this tablet for only 1 months now and already got a physical damage.
I just got my Prime swapped out for a Infinity last week. This thing is like night and day compaired to the Prime. I haven't crashed yet (knock on wood). I'm also amazed that everything works like wifi and gps. Also a little added bonus is the Sd card doesn't stick out, so I don't have to worry about it.
Now if Gameloft and EA Games would just get off their asses and make some games compatible.
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:good:Yes, this is yet another thread about the TF700 Infinity but this one is to counter all of the negative threads created by folks who come to xda--a developers' site, crying about their laggy Infinity, when all they have to do is unlock, root and mod -- choose from CleanROM 2.3, Clemsyn's OC kernel, Cyanogenmod (official and un), Baked Black Bean, Paranoid Android and others...take your pick!--to make it the fastest jellybean tablet with the highest resolution screen in existance. Come on guys! No more whining.
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LOL...
Ya can't win either way in these threads.
We understand that manufacturing defects are very frustrating.
I'm completely happy with the TF700T and this is after just about tossing in because of really shi**y performance.
The latest developments for this tablet are just some stunning work!
Remember those guys working out of their garage back in the late sixties building a PC prototype housed in wood.
Goes to show me the little guy still matters.
Man I'm amazed everyday at the XDA development community and the many who are eager to help the less knowledgeable.
OP and every other positive reply fully endorsed! :good::good:
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Man, I would take you comment seriously if not a stuck power button in my TF700.
I had this tablet for only 1 months now and already got a physical damage.
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That sucks, but ive had mine for months, use it everyday for school and for games/movies and have no physical defects. Honestly it comes down to how well you protect your tablet. If you are a person who tends to get physical damage easily, then it wont matter wether you have N10 or 700, you will eventually get damage due to your usage tendencies. Sorry man but honestly your reaching now to justify a purchase of the N10 so soon after the launch of the 700. Your never going to be satisfied if you buy products with that kind of mindset... Just my two cents
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Regardless of that, I'm still buying Nexus 10 and throwing tf700 away.
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Then throw it my way...or better yet, Clemsyn could use one to cook us up more juicy kernels!
How is the BT audio streaming on CleanRom while streaming Hulu or Netflix? Is the out of sync lag still apparent or is it a lost cause due to hardware?
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I'm using stock everything, but I'm perfectly happy with this tablet.
So, I have to wait 5 seconds when opening the stock browser. Which is exactly what Firefox and Chrome do on Windows, too. Used to it.
Copying files internally is a little slow. Yes. Wow. Ever tried copying 10gb of photos on Windows? ETA about 2 hours on XP, 5 hours with the ridiculous 'calculating' W7 does. Over USB it goes as fast as internally on my pc itself. Don't see the issue.
It crashes maybe once every other week. Again, I'm used to Windows.
WiFi works fine, JB actually improved it for me.
25GB MKV (Timescapes 4K) plays without any lag in MXplayer when on performance mode. 3GB MKV's work fine in balanced mode.
I haven't had any whitescreens, only the very occasional line (three times since JB update when it came out.) and not a single game lags.
Maybe it's because I'm used to WinXP, or I have more patience (haha..), or I'm just lucky, but it works fine for me. And I photoshop, Game (hardcore, not casual), watch videos, type and whatnot all day long. So it's not a lack of use, either.
I do not expect my tablet to do more than my gaming PC. It's a mobile device, not a bloody Quantum computer.
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It crashes maybe once every other week. Again, I'm used to Windows.
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If your Windows installation crashes "every other week" there's something wrong with your installation; hardware or software. Maybe you're running Windows 98?
Windows has gotten pretty damn stable over the last few years. It's far from perfect and sure, driver issues can cause reboots, but they're usually solved with a driver update. With the TF700, you're **** out of luck until Asus decides to fix the issue. If they ever do.
If a regular app crashes the tablet running stock rom, it's Asus fault, not the app. As long as Asus is supplying the entire software and driver stack for the ROM, they're the ones to blame for instability issues. A regular app running with regular, limited privileges should not cause reboots.
(This is of course when running stock and non-rooted. If you're testing new kernel modules and it suddenly reboots you're probably to blame for that.)
pierrekid said:
Honestly it comes down to how well you protect your tablet. If you are a person who tends to get physical damage easily, then it wont matter wether you have N10 or 700, you will eventually get damage due to your usage tendencies.
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Really? Manufacturing defects are, what, a conspiracy theory? These things happen, even if you're ever so careful with your gadgets. And don't tell me Asus is spotless when it comes to manufacturing quality and QA, you all know that's bull****.
Maybe the guy actually does throw his tablet around, runs his car over it and lets his dog chew on it. Fine, he's to blame. Or, just maybe, Asus did **** up? Way to go being condescending about it and blaming the person for being careless with everything he owns just because your tablet doesn't have this fault.
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With the TF700, you're **** out of luck until Asus decides to fix the issue. If they ever do.
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Actually, not really. Most of the software issues are easily fixed with a custom ROM. So, you're not *really* out of luck until Asus decides to fix the issue. It can be fixed in other ways, without waiting for Asus.
In my opinion, if you are still on the Stock ROM, you are really cheating yourself out of a great experience with the TF700. Sure, it voids your warranty, but honestly, I don't think that I've *ever* used a manufacturer warranty (and I am an electronic junkie!). Usually, if there is a hardware defect, it either occurs within the retail return period or well after the manufacturer warranty expires - at least that has been my experience.
If you are really worried about the warranty, you can get a two-year, cover-everything warranty from SquareTrade for $87. Well worth it in order to make the TF700 all that it can be... The SquareTrade warranty even has you covered if you brick the TF700 due to a bad flash or whatever.
With the TF700, I actually did purchase the SquareTrade warranty since I was a little concerned about a few things (physical button quality, etc). $87 is a small price to pay for two years of coverage, including accidental-damage coverage!
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If your Windows installation crashes "every other week" there's something wrong with your installation; hardware or software. Maybe you're running Windows 98?
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XP SP3. I game a lot. (Old games, too, hence no 7.) And ever so often, games cause reboots because of terrible scripting or lousy porting.. (Skyrim was ridiculous. It just rebooted every hour, if it even lasted that long. Took them till patch 6 to fix it... ) So does VLC when viewing blurays, because VLC hates blurays. (Common problem.)
So what you're telling me js that in order to have a lag-free, quick Infinity, I need to forfeit my warranty? Sounds like a great deal.
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Actually, not really. Most of the software issues are easily fixed with a custom ROM. So, you're not *really* out of luck until Asus decides to fix the issue. It can be fixed in other ways, without waiting for Asus.
In my opinion, if you are still on the Stock ROM, you are really cheating yourself out of a great experience with the TF700. Sure, it voids your warranty, but honestly, I don't think that I've *ever* used a manufacturer warranty (and I am an electronic junkie!). Usually, if there is a hardware defect, it either occurs within the retail return period or well after the manufacturer warranty expires - at least that has been my experience.
If you are really worried about the warranty, you can get a two-year, cover-everything warranty from SquareTrade for $87. Well worth it in order to make the TF700 all that it can be... The SquareTrade warranty even has you covered if you brick the TF700 due to a bad flash or whatever.
With the TF700, I actually did purchase the SquareTrade warranty since I was a little concerned about a few things (physical button quality, etc). $87 is a small price to pay for two years of coverage, including accidental-damage coverage!
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SquareTrade is US and UK only. Also, I'll say it again: having to give up your warranty COMPLETELY (even for issues that are clearly Asus' fault) is unreasonable in my book, especially since you're not given access to nvflash.
I have yet to unlock my device. If I'm to unlock it and void my warranty, I want a (near-)perfect device hardware-wise, which means I'll have to return this one (crap volume buttons, "clicky" display, backlight bleeding, etc). Hopefully I'll also get one with the .26 bootloader which means I can get access to nvflash.
I wouldn't have needed to deal with this if Asus would still honor RMAs for hardware/manufacturing faults even when unlocked.
I'd very much like to unlock, but I'm not doing unless I have access to nvflash at least.
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XP SP3. I game a lot. (Old games, too, hence no 7.) And ever so often, games cause reboots because of terrible scripting or lousy porting.. (Skyrim was ridiculous. It just rebooted every hour, if it even lasted that long. Took them till patch 6 to fix it... ) So does VLC when viewing blurays, because VLC hates blurays. (Common problem.)
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If Skyrim crashes your computer, it's the OS and/or drivers that are to blame. A regular application running in user mode/ring 3 should not be able to crash the entire system. That's why there are kernel and user modes: to avoid this (and security issues). Of course, buggy drivers (very common nowadays, sadly) ruins this where a game can crash the driver and cause a reboot/BSOD. Now, I'm not saying Skyrim was perfect, but in an ideal world, their bugs should not cause reboots
My previous post was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek response though, sorry about that. My point is though, that while you expect your PC setup to crash every now and then, it should not be expected of a device like the TF700. Fixed hardware, fixed software. (Again, not valid if you're running custom ROMs or kernels).
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So what you're telling me js that in order to have a lag-free, quick Infinity, I need to forfeit my warranty? Sounds like a great deal.
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No, you don't *have* to - the TF700 actually runs OK on stock if you ask me. But, yes, if you want the TF700 to perform as well as it possibly can, then you'll need to unlock and install a custom ROM (which will void the warranty). Best bet is to get a third-part warranty. Well worth the $87, in my opinion (even less if you go for a one year warranty, I'm assuming - $87 is for a two year warranty that includes accidental damage coverage, as long as you use a coupon).
In the end, what good is a warranty on a device that you are not happy with anyway?
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Hi all,
I'm thinking about unlocking my TF700 after all things I heard about CleanRom. However, Asus stupidly decided that it voids all warranty (idiots). So I seek your advice. Is it really worth to unlock the device for that ROM and is it recommended to take extra insurance? If so, does anybody know a good one in The Netherlands?
Thanks!
Anybody? Really eager to get the ROM on but that is the only thing that is bothering me and preventing me from doing at this moment :crying:
It's worth unlocking.
How long have you had the tablet?
If you have absolutely no manufacturing deficiency and are happy with the tablets looks.
Then unlock it and flash CleanROM.
Don't let Asus hold a gun to your head.
IMO Asus isn't helping the tablet much with OTAs and their RMA process can be a nightmare.
If your still unsure "Squaretrade" is a good way to go, yet in opinion not worth it.
Thanks!
Well there are two complications I've had the tablet for about 3 - 4 weeks and it is the best Asus tablet (in terms of defects) I've owned yet (before had a TF101 that has been 4 times for RMA and have had 7 Primes). There is also the catch. After lots of complaining, I came in contact with the marketing manager of Asus Benelux who agreed on swapping my Prime (after first sending me in some more Primes which all had some kind of problem) for a TF700. So I don't have a receipt, everything should probably be dealt with the manager directly. Furthermore, I don't think SquareTrade is availabe in The Netherlands.
Have you tried CleanROM, is it worth the risk and really makes the tablet fly? I find it very sluggish atm...
flight777 said:
Thanks!
Have you tried CleanROM, is it worth the risk and really makes the tablet fly? I find it very sluggish atm...
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It's right below in my signature...
Been running CleanROM for about 4 days now.
I have difficulty putting the tablet down, I run the battery down everyday now, My Infinity has become my go to device.
I really-really like the tablet now, prior to CleanROM I was really-really hating it.
The Infinity is no longer a sluggish device!
Definitely worth the risk!
My recommendation hold it tight because you will be using it more and more.
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Thanks!
Well there are two complications I've had the tablet for about 3 - 4 weeks and it is the best Asus tablet (in terms of defects) I've owned yet (before had a TF101 that has been 4 times for RMA and have had 7 Primes). There is also the catch. After lots of complaining, I came in contact with the marketing manager of Asus Benelux who agreed on swapping my Prime (after first sending me in some more Primes which all had some kind of problem) for a TF700. So I don't have a receipt, everything should probably be dealt with the manager directly. Furthermore, I don't think SquareTrade is availabe in The Netherlands.
Have you tried CleanROM, is it worth the risk and really makes the tablet fly? I find it very sluggish atm...
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I see you type Benelux, so if you are from the Netherlands there should not be an issue. The Dutch law protects you against such unreasonable warranties. The Dutch law says that a manufacterer has to deliver a proper functioning device.
Hi bought mine at BCC and bought an extra warranty that covers all stupid actions for about € 100,- ex.btw. for 3 years.
When repair is needed no questions asked, broken screen, bricked etc.
flight777 said:
Hi all,
I'm thinking about unlocking my TF700 after all things I heard about CleanRom. However, Asus stupidly decided that it voids all warranty (idiots). So I seek your advice. Is it really worth to unlock the device for that ROM and is it recommended to take extra insurance? If so, does anybody know a good one in The Netherlands?
Thanks!
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What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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Yes, it worth to run cleanrom 2.4. It makes everything works the way it suppose too and it makes the device worth $500. Without cleanrom, I would return my tablet. Seriously, I was once afraid to unlock because I don't know if it really better, and now people whom are not happy with their devices should unlock and flash this rom, then kick yourself in the bud for not doing it sooner.
YES!! Unlock it and use the CleanROM & Data2SD mods. I was previously on CleanRom 2.3 only but it was still lagging, especially when I'm updating an app and trying to surf. Ofcourse, this is caused by the inherently poor memory Asus installed in this device. With the Data2SD mod, I'm able to multitask without the lags. TF700 + Jellybean + CleanROM + Data2SD = iPad killer
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What can we stock users expect from a custom ROM like CleanROM 2.4?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what I wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser. Every few minutes I get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overall the tablet feels laggy and slow and I wonder if CleanROM 2.4 will fix all these issues or will I have to accept it as it is.
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Kind of depends on how desperate you are.
Have you tried the "Factory Reset" regimen.
Think twice before walking away from that Asus warranty.
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Kind of depends on how desperate you are.
Have you tried the "Factory Reset" regimen.
Think twice before walking away from that Asus warranty.
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I keep looking for new updates and fixes, so i guess pretty desperate. I have tried lots of resets but i can't really say that it was helping. I have been experiencing some weird problems lately, the screen will sometimes not respond on my finger, it looks like the device is stuck but when i use the dock to navigate it works normally. With a restart it goes away but i do fear it might be some hardware issue, altough it's probably very unlikely. Problems like these make me wonder if i should give up my warranty. On the other hand i feel that i'm not productive on this tablet the way it runs at moment. I have downgraded to ICS, i have done a few factory resets, nothing helps, at the moment i'm running JB which seems just as bad. Ever since i got this device i have been resetting and updating, hoping to get rid of some problems, i would like to use my device and stop worrying about these kind of problems. It gives me some hope that cleanrom users report some improvement, thanks for the feedback.
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I keep looking for new updates and fixes, so i guess pretty desperate. I have tried lots of resets but i can't really say that it was helping. I have been experiencing some weird problems lately, the screen will sometimes not respond on my finger, it looks like the device is stuck but when i use the dock to navigate it works normally. With a restart it goes away but i do fear it might be some hardware issue, altough it's probably very unlikely. Problems like these make me wonder if i should give up my warranty. On the other hand i feel that i'm not productive on this tablet the way it runs at moment. I have downgraded to ICS, i have done a few factory resets, nothing helps, at the moment i'm running JB which seems just as bad. Ever since i got this device i have been resetting and updating, hoping to get rid of some problems, i would like to use my device and stop worrying about these kind of problems. It gives me some hope that cleanrom users report some improvement, thanks for the feedback.
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The echo of desperation there it seems
Is it possible to return the Asus for a different brand or perhaps another TF700?
If not a new ROM would be the next step.
There are a few pre-unlock tricks, although the ultimate fix for some would be the custom ROM route.
Do custom ROMs fix the lag transitioning between apps?
Really the only lag I notice on mine is when I use dolphin to browse the web, and during Netflix. That's really it. Not sure if a custom ROM will fix those issues :-/
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My Infinity spontaneously crapped out, so I'd say don't ditch the warranty unless you have e.g. SquareTrade aftermarket warranty as a backup. Asus's QC is just too poor to trust these devices to last.
Yes it is
I had the warranty officially for 5 days. The improvements with using CleanROM are astounding over plain stock. Plus, you will be able to make this tablet a beast for many moons after Asus stops updating the software. And the modifications are almost endless
No, it is not.
I unlocked mine and 2 days later I am faced with non-functional, bricked unit, without any warranty (this is completely hardware related, not software). It was a $500 mistake. It was very very good, for two days.
Go ahead and roll those dice, you riverboat gambler . . .
arminneman said:
What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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You might regret it. but take your chances, That's why you are here at XDA in the first place, right?
You will Really regret it if you put up with what you describe and do nothing about it except wait for a warranty issue, L0L
nearlydigital said:
I unlocked mine and 2 days later I am faced with non-functional, bricked unit, without any warranty (this is completely hardware related, not software). It was a $500 mistake. It was very very good, for two days.
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Without any more relevant information, I'd strongly hesitate in establishing a cause/effect relationship here. I'm sorry for the fact that you are out of warranty (seemingly), but I'd still take it up with ASUS. Unlocking the 700 probably didn't have anything to do with -- unless yo udid something stupid -- which we all do sometimes.
Uhh, I did anything but establish a cause and effect relationship. That's why I said my issue was hardware related. It had nothing whatsover to do with unlocking. My point is that with a [seemingly] very high defect ratio on these machines, the consequence of completely removing all warranty (even for unrelated issues), is severe.
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Without any more relevant information, I'd strongly hesitate in establishing a cause/effect relationship here. I'm sorry for the fact that you are out of warranty (seemingly), but I'd still take it up with ASUS. Unlocking the 700 probably didn't have anything to do with -- unless yo udid something stupid -- which we all do sometimes.
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What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
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yes!
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
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i never had it that bad before, so hard to say.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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ASUS's stock ROM sucks compared to cleanROM. haven't had one ANR, tablet is FAST, no lags at all. no waiting.
ASUS's Stock ROM sucks compared to CleanROM. Haven't had one ANR, tablet is FAST, no lags at all. No waiting.
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I will triple second this!
This man speaks the truth!!!
I unlucked my device and so far I'm very happy with it, it's unbelievable how much of a difference it made, at first i was skeptical about what other users reported but i can confirm that it's true. ASUS is doing a terrible job with their software, taking away warranty because users want normal use out of their device...they should be sued, anyway this will be my last ASUS product ever, I'm content with my infinity now thanks to the custom roms on xda, but i feel ASUS should see the consequences of their policies, the only thing i can do is stop supporting them with my wallet.
I don't know how it works in the US or other places, but here in europe there is a law that states that customers should have two years of warranty, i doubt ASUS can overrule that law by a simple " I AGREE " statement.
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
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I unlucked my device and so far I'm very happy with it, it's unbelievable how much of a difference it made.
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Excellent!
Now you know!
Very happy for you...
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nearlydigital said:
Uhh, I did anything but establish a cause and effect relationship. That's why I said my issue was hardware related. It had nothing whatsover to do with unlocking. My point is that with a [seemingly] very high defect ratio on these machines, the consequence of completely removing all warranty (even for unrelated issues), is severe.
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Agreed -- apparently, my red flag went up before I had actually read and consumed your reply. My sincere apologies. You're right, but there are loads of people that have been unlocked and flashing away since the beginning, myself included. My guess is that, from a statistical point of view -- which is worthless in your case, where a 100% of TF700s are sucky devices -- most of the 700s are actually fine.
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I will triple second this!
This man speaks the truth!!!
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I've had an ANR twice. Once with Chrome, 86 tabs open (picture leeching off website). The other one was my fault also, but cannot reconstruct it as well from my mind.
arminneman said:
I unlucked my device and so far I'm very happy with it, it's unbelievable how much of a difference it made, at first i was skeptical about what other users reported but i can confirm that it's true. ASUS is doing a terrible job with their software, taking away warranty because users want normal use out of their device...they should be sued, anyway this will be my last ASUS product ever, I'm content with my infinity now thanks to the custom roms on xda, but i feel ASUS should see the consequences of their policies, the only thing i can do is stop supporting them with my wallet.
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As a consumer, that's the only vote you have.
I don't know how it works in the US or other places, but here in europe there is a law that states that customers should have two years of warranty, i doubt ASUS can overrule that law by a simple " I AGREE " statement.
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
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You're right, obviously, as EU consumer law is pretty strict. However, you'd need to bring a lawyer into play, as ASUS will just keep its stance when you contact them telling them so. There's a minimum of two years' warranty against factory defects or "inability to use for intended purpose" -- the last term is pretty broad, actually.
Unlocking and flashing any of these roms is not a magic bullet, thought it will perform better. I'm currently playing around with Paranoid Android and really digging it.
My biggest gripe with unlocking is that I can't view play store movies and tv shows in HD anymore, I wouldn't really use it that often but it's lost functionality and it kinda pisses me off. For instance, took the family away on vacation this past summer and being able to hook up my tablet to the flat screen where we stayed was pretty nice. Now, I'll have to either have movies already installed and ripped from a bluray or just watch movies in, what appears to be, 480i.
Both cleanrom and Paranoid are pretty awesome roms and I highly recommend you check out both and some of the others, if you decide to unlock.
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for what it's worth, my TF700 boots up in a staggering 35 seconds on Paranoid android as opposed to the 1min 40+ seconds on stock and stock based roms. wicked fast
Hello,
I bought a SquareTrade warranty before unlocking the TF700, installing CROMI etc. It's been almost 3 weeks now and the device feels ok, so I'm feeling that chances are I will never actually need the warranty. I'm not that worried about accidental drops as I use it almost exclusively at home and am very careful with all my gadgets in general (I've never had a portable device break from a drop in more than 15 years of laptop/mobile phone usage). I basically got the warranty for fear of inferior quality control on this particular device leading to a hardware failure and Asus voiding the warranty after unlocking the device.
Would you say that if such a problem hasn't occured yet, it's worth canceling the SquareTrade warranty? I'm still within the 30 day cancellation period for a full refund. Or do you think that hardware failures of any kind are quite likely further own the road so it's worth keeping it? Again, I'm not talking about accidental drops or any other user errors, I'm talking about the tablet failing because of poor quality / inferior components (an example would be those black lines that appeared in the middle of a video review on a side-by-side comparison with the Samsung Galaxy Note Tab). What has your experience been, especially those that have had the device for more than a couple of months?
Thanks.
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To start off: an insurance is just that -- it's meant more for the peace of mind than for breakdown risk (they make money off you, so that math and statistics). I'd say the chances of your 700 developing a problem de novo is very slim. I've had mine since about three weeks before it went retail (no typo), and it's been doing great. I do have random reboots since I screwed around a bit too enthusiastically and the occasional black line across the screen, but that is a renderer problem and is unlikely to worsen with time (unless ASUS screw up the software part even more).
EDIT: I've only insured a digital device once -- ended up paying for an entire year and never needing anything. Pure moneymaking scheme.
TL;DR: Ditch the warranty.
I never insure any devices. It's a pure scam. Most manufacturers will replace if within warranty even if you unlock the Asus I know people who have had it replaced from accidental damage.
Thanks for your responses. Just one question regarding those black lines. I'm not referring to the flashing ones that were introduced by jelly bean, but rather the permanent ones that appeared on that video review that I mentioned (I'll find the link and post it here). Any thoughts on that? It seemed like a permanent hardware failure. Is it really safe to assume that Asus would cover something like that even in an unlocked device (given that it is obviously not caused by the unlocking but is hardware related)?
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Thanks for your responses. Just one question regarding those black lines. I'm not referring to the flashing ones that were introduced by jelly bean, but rather the permanent ones that appeared on that video review that I mentioned (I'll find the link and post it here). Any thoughts on that? It seemed like a permanent hardware failure. Is it really safe to assume that Asus would cover something like that even in an unlocked device (given that it is obviously not caused by the unlocking but is hardware related)?
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I do not know where you are from, but here in Holland (or rather in the EU), my lawyer would string up their balls alongside the Central Station's monumental front. Hehehe. You are right in that those black lines seem to be derived from some kind of underlying (and thus permanent) hardware issue. I've never actually seen them, either in real life or on a review, although I believe you on your word that somewhere, somehow a 700 suffers from it. That doesn't really surprise me, given ASUS'track record in Q&A. :cyclops: Depending on your location and verbal proficiency, you should have close to no issues at all when RMA in the previously-granted warranty period for such reasons.
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I do not know where you are from, but here in Holland (or rather in the EU), my lawyer would string up their balls alongside the Central Station's monumental front. Hehehe. You are right in that those black lines seem to be derived from some kind of underlying (and thus permanent) hardware issue. I've never actually seen them, either in real life or on a review, although I believe you on your word that somewhere, somehow a 700 suffers from it. That doesn't really surprise me, given ASUS'track record in Q&A. :cyclops: Depending on your location and verbal proficiency, you should have close to no issues at all when RMA in the previously-granted warranty period for such reasons.
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Hehe... I actually bought it in the US and one would assume that customer service should be top notch over there, no? Anyway, this is the video I was referring to:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...=FzmPwfs__pa-kwhYKnTDxg&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k
Look at around 14:50 when the two horizontal lines first appear (the reviewer mentions them a few seconds later) and they stay there for the remaining if the review. This video combined with Asus voiding the warranty after unlocking is pretty much why I got that square trade warranty, as I'm this case the tablet didn't have any issues for a month of testing and reviewing until it "bit the dust right in the middle of the review" (the reviewer's words towards the end of the video).
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I understand your concern, but whatever that may be, it's probably hardware-related. It was an early review, so I hope they sent him a preproduction model.
If they were even worse than the actual production models, it sure must have sucked balls to review them.
In things like this if you take someones advice and something goes wrong.. they ditch you. Unless I missed it to this day anyone with a rooted/unlocked tab that sent it in for repairs never got it back the same way. Just relocked and unrooted.
But if your device is stock then SquareTrade to me is worthless unless you got a 3y. I do read some having problems after 3w-2months. There's just to many "and by many I mean compared to other tablets" to ignore it. Now me I would not get Squaretrade unless its a 3 y then I would keep it buts this is what I..ME.. would do.
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I understand your concern, but whatever that may be, it's probably hardware-related.
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So, does that mean that Asus would cover it? despite being unlocked?
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In things like this if you take someones advice and something goes wrong.. they ditch you. Unless I missed it to this day anyone with a rooted/unlocked tab that sent it in for repairs never got it back the same way. Just relocked and unrooted.
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You mean when they sent it back to Asus? Does that mean that in a hardware failure Asus would fix it and then relock/unroot it? That's not too bad. If my tablet had a hardware failure and I can have it fixed under Asus warranty at a cost of having to re-unlock it and reinstall everything, I can live with that. What I was worried (and got the ST warranty for) is that Asus wouldn't cover anything once it's unlocked.
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But if your device is stock then SquareTrade to me is worthless unless you got a 3y. I do read some having problems after 3w-2months. There's just to many "and by many I mean compared to other tablets" to ignore it. Now me I would not get Squaretrade unless its a 3 y then I would keep it buts this is what I..ME.. would do.
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Why 3y? I got a 2yr as it was the best value (the 3rd year cost more than the second and by year 3 it will be obsolete anyway).
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Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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Yes, clean rom cromi, cm10.1, etc.. speed up the device very well! it will fly
I own a TF300T and we have basicly the same thing on stock rom: very bad lag! so if you like stock i would reccomend crom-x/cleanrom or TF700 specific roms based on stock
Honestly i would return it and save the money for some upcoming device.It's one year old,you have to unlock it (and loose your warranty) in order to have more decent performance and you will mostlikely end-up spending more time to tweak the device than actually enjoy it.Ofcourse this is only my opinion,the final decision it's up to you.
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Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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If I had it to do over again...it would go back. Sorry to say that but you should NOT have to make ANY changes to a tablet that is supposed to be at the top of the line. My wife's AT105-T1032 Toshiba, is a lot more stable than the TF700.
Here are some of MY problems:
ANY browser will loose input from the onscreen keyboard...doesn't matter if it's Asus KB or Swiftkey or Google
The lag is so bad at times the KB won't appear for a second or two
ANY browser will just force close for no appearent reason...doesn't happen often but it does happen
The screen is loose on the lower right corner, I thought this issue had fixed itself but I noticed it again the other day
When posting on forums none of the browsers work correctly. They make it a horrible experiance and I usually have to give up and go to my PC to complete posts I want to make. If you insert a word that was mispelled it usually will appear at the top of the post you are making and delete any text it replaces. VERY VERY frustrating and has been an issue for me from day 1. (a year ago)
Here's how I intend to fix them:
When the warranty is up I will try rooting and unlocking and a different ROM. If I can't get that to make it work right for me I WILL take it out in the driveway and beat the living crap out of it, place it in a box and send it back to Asus with a detailed explanation of why they now have it in their hands
Now- it's your decision to make and you will probably read a lot of negitive replies as well as see quite a few on the forums about TF201 and TF700. It seems like people go to the forums to complain not realizing that they aren't supported by Asus. So get ready for more like this one but also you'll get quite a few saying how great this tablet is. It still all comes down to YOU.
I have NEVER been this frustrated by any computer and I'm not a happy Asus customer. BUT I will still buy Asus products, just no more tablets. I have an old P5GPL (P4) Asus motherboard that has been running for 8-9? years and has never given me one days trouble. I've replaced everything around it, power supply, hard drive and video card and it just keeps on keepin' on!
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Honestly i would return it and save the money for some upcoming device.It's one year old,you have to unlock it (and loose your warranty) in order to have more decent performance and you will mostlikely end-up spending more time to tweak the device than actually enjoy it.Ofcourse this is only my opinion,the final decision it's up to you.
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@Pretoriano80, after being on the custom rom for some time, do you see it using too much memory or getting sluggish? It's one year old but the new 10inch tablets are $500 and up. what option do i have?
I looked through your all in one guide but wouldn't know where to start since my tablet is already updated to 4.2.1.
So how would one unlock the bootloader if the instructions listed were for version below 4.2.1?
Does it mean Id have to downgrade to ICS first?
Also don't know what comes first, unlocking or rooting. Just rooting the device will not allow installation of Cromi-x/cleanRom right?
Please please return it...I know you will be tempted to unlock and install CROMI. But don't....I am using the tablet for the last 6 months I think. If it weren't for CROMI, I would have jumped over it in anger.
Please just return it, and get a better tablet.
WARNING: DON'T READ ANY OF THE MODDING THREADS UNTIL YOU RETURN IT. IT'S FULL OF TEMPTATIONS.
Please just return it, and get a better tablet.
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+1 :good: I have to agree with you on this but it also improves the over all performance quite a bit..
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Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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I kinda agree with the above, but I bought a used one of eBay not knowing what I'd gotten into. I just want to check email, watch movies, shop, etc. No real life-saving issues. Didn't notice much lag or problem with stock but went ahead and installed CROMI-X not knowing anything about android, etc. I love mine. At 400, maybe not, half the price, sure.
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@Pretoriano80, after being on the custom rom for some time, do you see it using too much memory or getting sluggish? It's one year old but the new 10inch tablets are $500 and up. what option do i have?
I looked through your all in one guide but wouldn't know where to start since my tablet is already updated to 4.2.1.
So how would one unlock the bootloader if the instructions listed were for version below 4.2.1?
Does it mean Id have to downgrade to ICS first?
Also don't know what comes first, unlocking or rooting. Just rooting the device will not allow installation of Cromi-x/cleanRom right?
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You can ROOT your device without unlocking your bootloader, but you can't install custom roms and a custom recovery in this case, just some apps that need rooting or some tweaks. The good part with only rooting is that your warranty will still be valid because you can return to a clean stock rom anytime. For rooting your device on 4.2.1 you will have to use MotoChopper (search in the tf700t forum).
If you unlock the bootloader then you can kiss goodbye your warranty and enjoy custom roms, custom kernels, etc but you can't go back to a bootloader locked state anymore.
No matter what you will choose (root or unlocking) don't expect miracles or else you will be disappointed. The first time you install a rom you will notice much gain in performance, but after you install some of your favourite apps you will see the performance going down again (imho this is also the reason why you can find bad and good opinions about this device, because everyone use it in different ways). Also forget about benchmarks it won't do any good to you or the device itself and you will just end-up just hunting higher scores.
I really don't know which device to recommend you becaause i only have this one, but read some reviews from trusted sites (Engadget for example was maybe one of the few to do a honest review about the tf700t) or wait until some new generation devices will be released.
Btw one year ago i paid 500€ just for the tablet so paying 500$ now for a new generation device it's in line with the tablet market in my opinion, so once again mate, it's your call.
Even with cromi or cm10.2 the tablet lags. It's not good enough! RETURN RETURN RETURN!
I actually love this tab. I did do a lot of research before buying it though so I knew some issues before I bought so I also knew that I was not going to buy one for full retail and be happy. I did a lot of hunting around on craigslist and ended picking up a 64GB tab with the docking station and quite a few accessories for a little less than half of retail. I then immediately unlocked and rooted it, installed CROMI-X, and tried a coupe different kernels until I found the combination that worked for me. Finally I created a Nandroid of this setup and started using the tab.
I did have experience rooting and ROM'ing as well so I knew that I would be comfortable with that aspect and I always try to stay a little behind the curve of teh latest gadget so others can figure out how to fix the issues (because for every device there are issues).
As of right now I couldn't be happier. I got a tab that does everything I need it to and it seems sufficiently fast and responsive to me.
Would I have been happy if I paid full price a year ago and had to suffer through all of the issues that I hear being talked about on this forum? No. but at half price and time to give the great and dedicated developers on this site a chance to address the worst of the issues, Hell yeah, Great tab :good:
Just my experience so far.
Jeff
Pretoriano80 said:
You can ROOT your device without unlocking your bootloader, but you can't install custom roms and a custom recovery in this case, just some apps that need rooting or some tweaks. The good part with only rooting is that your warranty will still be valid because you can return to a clean stock rom anytime. For rooting your device on 4.2.1 you will have to use MotoChopper (search in the tf700t forum).
If you unlock the bootloader then you can kiss goodbye your warranty and enjoy custom roms, custom kernels, etc but you can't go back to a bootloader locked state anymore.
No matter what you will choose (root or unlocking) don't expect miracles or else you will be disappointed. The first time you install a rom you will notice much gain in performance, but after you install some of your favourite apps you will see the performance going down again (imho this is also the reason why you can find bad and good opinions about this device, because everyone use it in different ways). Also forget about benchmarks it won't do any good to you or the device itself and you will just end-up just hunting higher scores.
I really don't know which device to recommend you becaause i only have this one, but read some reviews from trusted sites (Engadget for example was maybe one of the few to do a honest review about the tf700t) or wait until some new generation devices will be released.
Btw one year ago i paid 500€ just for the tablet so paying 500$ now for a new generation device it's in line with the tablet market in my opinion, so once again mate, it's your call.
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I actually love this tab. I did do a lot of research before buying it though so I knew some issues before I bought so I also knew that I was not going to buy one for full retail and be happy. I did a lot of hunting around on craigslist and ended picking up a 64GB tab with the docking station and quite a few accessories for a little less than half of retail. I then immediately unlocked and rooted it, installed CROMI-X, and tried a coupe different kernels until I found the combination that worked for me. Finally I created a Nandroid of this setup and started using the tab.
I did have experience rooting and ROM'ing as well so I knew that I would be comfortable with that aspect and I always try to stay a little behind the curve of teh latest gadget so others can figure out how to fix the issues (because for every device there are issues).
As of right now I couldn't be happier. I got a tab that does everything I need it to and it seems sufficiently fast and responsive to me.
Would I have been happy if I paid full price a year ago and had to suffer through all of the issues that I hear being talked about on this forum? No. but at half price and time to give the great and dedicated developers on this site a chance to address the worst of the issues, Hell yeah, Great tab :good:
Just my experience so far.
Jeff
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Thanks guys, I'll just return it then. I did a lot of research as well before picking this one...its a great tablet, but not worth full price considering its drawback. I'll probably wait for the next Infinity Pad that's coming out, although I've been hearing that even Tegra 4 has issues
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Thanks guys, I'll just return it then. I did a lot of research as well before picking this one...its a great tablet, but not worth full price considering its drawback. I'll probably wait for the next Infinity Pad that's coming out, although I've been hearing that even Tegra 4 has issues
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Try cm 10.2 no more lag at all:thumbup:
I agree with everyone here. Return it. If you want a tablet right now just get the Nexus 10 or maybe even the Toshiba Excite Pro or sony experia z. If you want a kb dock get the HP slatebook x2 which I just bought and it a very speedy and smooth tablet. Screen isn't as high contrast and cant get as bright but it's not too bad. But if you can wait just wait for Asus to release the new Infinity pad and hopefully it performs as well as the slatebook x2. I have gotten so used to the tf700 that I did not realize how bad it really is even with cromi x or data2sd mod compared to the slatebook. So please take everyone's advice on this one.
EDIT: Posted too early and did not read your post about returning it. Good for you!
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Try cm 10.2 no more lag at all:thumbup:
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I tried it and does get rid of transition stutter but it still lags here and there. It's still in its early stages so maybe it will get better but thats a big risk the OP will have to make.
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aznmode said:
I tried it and does get rid of transition stutter but it still lags here and there. It's still in its early stages so maybe it will get better but thats a big risk the OP will have to make.
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Try also holo Launcher hd
aznmode said:
I tried it and does get rid of transition stutter but it still lags here and there. It's still in its early stages so maybe it will get better but thats a big risk the OP will have to make.
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Try CROMi-X 4.7. The only lag I get is on wake up since I disable wifi in deep sleep. No transition/scrolling lag whatsoever, browsing is lightning fast.
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I've been on cromi x for a while now. You must've set your transition to 0 to not notice any lag in transition. There's still I/O issue no matter which cromi version or kernel. Anyway were getting off subject. Thanks for the advice. Let's get back on topic.
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RETURN IT. 10 months with this tablet suffering lag -.-
I would if I could and just grab a nexus 10 or perhaps the new nexus 7.
P.S: I use cromi, still a failure. My droid razr dual core beats this quad so badly...
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I've been on cromi x for a while now. You must've set your transition to 0 to not notice any lag in transition. There's still I/O issue no matter which cromi version or kernel. Anyway were getting off subject. Thanks for the advice. Let's get back on topic.
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Try my latest beta version - I found some settings that may help some of the IO issues when downloading files or using the sdcard.
Arachnida said:
RETURN IT. 10 months with this tablet suffering lag -.-
I would if I could and just grab a nexus 10 or perhaps the new nexus 7.
P.S: I use cromi, still a failure. My droid razr dual core beats this quad so badly...
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Thanks appreciate the support
Hi guys, I am afraid I bear bad news . In a recent email exchange I had with Asus support I asked about updates to the TF700. They said the following:
ASUS has not planned a release of a firmware update for the TF700 which will revert the OS to KitKat 4 Android.
Unfortunately we have also not been advised of a release date for new firmware releases for your model. Currently we are also awaiting extra information of our R&D department on the matter.
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This seems to suggest we will not get KitKat 4.4 but we may get another firmware update. This would possibly still be based on 4.2.1 with just some bug fixes specific to the TF700 or it could possibly be based on 4.3. However they don't have a release date for this yet.
I know this won't be entirely unexpected news for some people but rather a confirmation of what many of us already feared would be the case. It is indeed a shame given the TF700 is really not that old.
Good to know, Asus won't be getting my money again any time soon, looking at the Samsung note 10.1 to replace this apparently old machine
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Thanks for sharing the information, and I would appreciate your help in clarifying a few points regarding your email exchange with ASUS. I am not trying to be nitpicking here, but your quoted email does leave me with one question and a comment:
1. Question: was this person a customer representative of ASUS UK (I got it from your profile location)? As far as I know, the R&D Department of ASUS is in Taiwan, and I highly doubt that ASUS UK has close communication with its Taiwan counterpart. Moreover, given my past experience, customer support usually doesn't have much technical knowledge to answer questions about stuff like OTA updates, bootloader unlocking, etc...
2. Comment: The way the quoted email was written is really weird. What is meant by "revert the OS to KitKat 4 Android"? "Revert to" means returning to a former state, which doesn't make sense when you talk about a future update. And what is "KitKat 4 Android"? I am sure that is not the way most people refer to Android 4.4 KitKat. And lastly, "awaiting extra information OF our R&D department" sounds odd, shouldn't it be "awaiting extra information FROM our R&D department"?
Personally, whenever I receive emails with such mistakes, I instantly question the sender's professionalism and credibility.
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Thanks for sharing the information, and I would appreciate your help in clarifying a few points regarding your email exchange with ASUS. I am not trying to be nitpicking here, but your quoted email does leave me with one question and a comment:
1. Question: was this person a customer representative of ASUS UK (I got it from your profile location)? As far as I know, the R&D Department of ASUS is in Taiwan, and I highly doubt that ASUS UK has close communication with its Taiwan counterpart. Moreover, given my past experience, customer support usually doesn't have much technical knowledge to answer questions about stuff like OTA updates, bootloader unlocking, etc...
2. Comment: The way the quoted email was written is really weird. What is meant by "revert the OS to KitKat 4 Android"? "Revert to" means returning to a former state, which doesn't make sense when you talk about a future update. And what is "KitKat 4 Android"? I am sure that is not the way most people refer to Android 4.4 KitKat. And lastly, "awaiting extra information OF our R&D department" sounds odd, shouldn't it be "awaiting extra information FROM our R&D department"?
Personally, whenever I receive emails with such mistakes, I instantly question the sender's professionalism and credibility.
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The initial email was sent using the form on the Asus UK support page, although I do not think the representative who responded was necessarily based in the UK. They had an Asian name and judging from the way the email was written, I think that English is probably not their first language. The reply email was not UK specific either ([email protected]). The guy could actually have been based in Taiwan for all I know.
I think this guy is probably quite reliable as he seemed fairly knowledgeable when dealing with my other queries / complaints but yes he is just a customer support rep so there is a possibility of what he said not being 100% accurate. Still, I think it is the closest to an official word on the matter that we have had so far and seems pretty plausible.
Best way to get any respect on tablet updates is to Go Nexus.
I'm just waiting for the Nexus 10 2. Which will probably release in days if not a couple months at longest.
There are plenty of 3rd party keyboards and cases for 10” tablets, such as the Nexus 10. Which make them function and even look just like our TF700T.
I used to think of the Transformer line as unique. But if you look around. You'll find there's really nothing so special to the Transformer line. Now that 3rd parties have given other tablets, especially Nexus tablets. Every feature that seemed special about the Transformer line.
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This is what asus replied me when I asked them about the KitKat update.
Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
My name is Myra and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.
We apologize for the delayed response due to the weekend.
Hi, we're very glad to help you. For this issue, now we are try our best to, and at this time we are unable to set a date for its release. Please stay tuned for more news on our support website. Thanks for your understanding.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please do not hesitate to let us know. We will be more than happy to assist you.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks for your understanding!
Have a nice day!
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
There are plenty of 3rd party keyboards and cases for 10” tablets, such as the Nexus 10. Which make them function and even look just like our TF700T.
I used to think of the Transformer line as unique. But if you look around. You'll find there's really nothing so special to the Transformer line.
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MicroSD slot? Battery in keyboard dock? USB port?
I gave up on waiting on updates to 4.3 or KK - this last week I finally bit the bullet and flashed CROMI-x. Painful process in that it took days to be successful in unlocking the bootloader - literally took dozens of tries before the tool finally worked. After that, all else was straightforward. I wasn't having any particular performance issues; rather, I got fed up with the random reboots that seem to occur at least once/day. Hopefully, that will improve with CROMI-x.
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MicroSD slot? Battery in keyboard dock? USB port?
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USB On the Go allows for storage expansion and addresses USB. And the fact the MicroSD storage is not utilized like in the pre-Android 4.0 days, means the MicroSD storage is not well leveraged when running stock. Far as charging, if this works with the Nexus 10 2, that would put Asus behind on that one.
I'm talking keyboards, but if such things interest you like MicroSD and a battery in the dock. You may continue with it and all the issues built into the TF700T. For me, I'm going to take the Nexus 10 2 off ramp.
Edit: I want to add, _that you have helped make the TF700T a better device and I do thank you for your efforts. Even running your kernel now .
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I gave up on waiting on updates to 4.3 or KK - this last week I finally bit the bullet and flashed CROMI-x. Painful process in that it took days to be successful in unlocking the bootloader - literally took dozens of tries before the tool finally worked. After that, all else was straightforward. I wasn't having any particular performance issues; rather, I got fed up with the random reboots that seem to occur at least once/day. Hopefully, that will improve with CROMI-x.
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I was not having performance issues early on. But the more I used it and the more I added, I found it slowing up big time. While my loaded up phone was having no issues at all. This is when I realized the talk about the slow storage on the TF700T is a big problem. That's when I moved to CROMI-x. It is better than stock, but the storage issue can only best be overcome by using ROM2SD with CROMI-x. (You need a very fast MicroSD.) That does help the most, but still, it's all patches around a big issue. And a tablet that has things right to begin with would run better.
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USB On the Go allows for storage expansion and addresses USB. And the fact the MicroSD storage is not utilized like in the pre-Android 4.0 days, means the MicroSD storage is not well leveraged when running stock. Far as charging, if this works with the Nexus 10 2, that would put Asus behind on that one.
I'm talking keyboards, but if such things interest you like MicroSD and a battery in the dock. You may continue with it and all the issues built into the TF700T. For me, I'm going to take the Nexus 10 2 off ramp.
I was not having performance issues early on. But the more I used it and the more I added, I found it slowing up big time. While my loaded up phone was having no issues at all. This is when I realized the talk about the slow storage on the TF700T is a big problem. That's when I moved to CROMI-x. It is better than stock, but the storage issue can only best be overcome by using ROM2SD with CROMI-x. (You need a very fast MicroSD.) That does help the most, but still, it's all patches around a big issue. And a tablet that has things right to begin with would run better.
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I've had mine over a year and never ran into any real performance problems. While never as snappy as my 2012 & 2013 Nexus 7's or Galaxy S3, it was much better than my Xoom - I didn't see the severe issues that others have. But the random reboots (most occurred when just "idling", not during app use) were just maddening and made the tablet undependable in my mind. I haven't noticed any performance differences with CROMI-x yet but I'm really hoping that it is now more stable.
Tell me I'm wrong...isn't the Nexus made by Asus? Or am I thinking that just cause I'm old and senile?
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Tell me I'm wrong...isn't the Nexus made by Asus? Or am I thinking that just cause I'm old and senile?
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Indeed, they are. Very different animals, though.
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Tell me I'm wrong...isn't the Nexus made by Asus? Or am I thinking that just cause I'm old and senile?
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The 7 inch Nexus are made by Asus and the 10 inch was made by Samsung.
I tried messaging Gary but I did not have high hopes as the account is dead for so long.
Does anyone know a new contact? Maybe they could say something more reliable about update policy regarding the TF700...
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And a hinge. Mine stays docked almost all the time. I get clamshell protection and a handy portable package. Once you start trying to replicate the other features using accessories with other tabs, you get a bulky mess of stuff that you couldn't pay me to carry around.
Not that I'm exactly loving Asus these days, but the transformer certainly was special when I got it.
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And a hinge. Mine stays docked almost all the time. I get clamshell protection and a handy portable package. Once you start trying to replicate the other features using accessories with other tabs, you get a bulky mess of stuff that you couldn't pay me to carry around.
Not that I'm exactly loving Asus these days, but the transformer certainly was special when I got it.
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I totally agree with you. That is the main reason why I still hold on to the TF700 and not get the new Padfone Infinity ( the new Padfone has a Snapdragon 800, 1080p screen, fast internal storage, microSD support with performance that obliterates almost everything else). The only thing holding me back is the keyboard dock, without which the tablet experience is simply incomplete (in my opinion of course). If ASUS manages to bring the dock to the next Padfone and achieve decent size and weight, I will gladly make ASUS my go-to brand for all computing needs.
...that's a shame.
I have kitkat on my phone, it's pretty nice so far.
So... Anyone else shopping around for an upgrade this holiday season? I was looking at the tf701, but If it's going to have the same lack of development (I truly appreciate the hard work our few, but amazing, devs have put in), then I'd rather go for one of the new waterproof xperias or a galaxy tab. Haven't really looked into the various options yet.. I was excited when we got cm, and especially a pac-rom port, but every time I gave them a try, they just seemed a bit off. Like they were unfinished and obviously made for a phone. Maybe cromi just spoiled me. :shrug:
This tablet has been good to me, though. I got a micro-hdmi to hdmi cable, so maybe I'll use it as a media hub or something... If the native Linux on our device had more development behind it, and was just a tad more stable and compatible, I wouldn't really be looking into a replacement. Definitely not planning on getting rid of it. If I can find the time maybe I'll use it to delve deeper into learning how to develop myself.
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I gave up on waiting on updates to 4.3 or KK - this last week I finally bit the bullet and flashed CROMI-x. Painful process in that it took days to be successful in unlocking the bootloader - literally took dozens of tries before the tool finally worked. After that, all else was straightforward. I wasn't having any particular performance issues; rather, I got fed up with the random reboots that seem to occur at least once/day. Hopefully, that will improve with CROMI-x.
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Yes, that will in fact improve. I forgot about that stock issue... Jeeze, that was the worst, so annoying.
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...that's a shame.
I have kitkat on my phone, it's pretty nice so far.
So... Anyone else shopping around for an upgrade this holiday season? I was looking at the tf701, but If it's going to have the same lack of development (I truly appreciate the hard work our few, but amazing, devs have put in), then I'd rather go for one of the new waterproof xperias or a galaxy tab. Haven't really looked into the various options yet.. I was excited when we got cm, and especially a pac-rom port, but every time I gave them a try, they just seemed a bit off. Like they were unfinished and obviously made for a phone. Maybe cromi just spoiled me. :shrug:
This tablet has been good to me, though. I got a micro-hdmi to hdmi cable, so maybe I'll use it as a media hub or something... If the native Linux on our device had more development behind it, and was just a tad more stable and compatible, I wouldn't really be looking into a replacement. Definitely not planning on getting rid of it. If I can find the time maybe I'll use it to delve deeper into learning how to develop myself.
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Yes, that will in fact improve. I forgot about that stock issue... Jeeze, that was the worst, so annoying.
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I can't imagine a vendor ever matching the features and capabilities the ROM development community adds. I like that Asus offers a way to unlock the bootloader. Samsung would rather that you don't. In the year I've had this, there have been multiple firmware releases. For a minute, cromi was changing every other day. There is a new device they have to sell now. I'm happy. 5.2.2, btw is amazing! Cheers
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if your worried about it unlock and put a custom rom on it like cmbroms thats going to have kk anyday know it will come
well I was hoping for Kit Kat too... seeing as its optimized for lower RAM devices I was thinking it would really help out stock. Its definitely time to flash now. My only question is if anyone knows if they're working on a Kit Kat version of CROMi???