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HI
short question:
how many hours can this device work with gps logging when backlight is off.
I just want to log my location during my holiday trips (8~10 hours per day).
I dont use voice notification or any function else, just purely record gps location every 1/5/10 min.
10 hour? possible?
I use a bit of software called mysporttraining with the gps addon when I go running. I use it in conjunction with audio manager (to listen to tunes) with the screen turned off and go for about an hour at a time, although sometimes up to two.
I've not really taken much notice, but it doesn't seem to particularly eat into battering life, and two hour runs don't seem to eat more than 25% of battery life, although like I say, I don't really pay much attention to the battery level.
I've tested it running OZIexplore with GPS enabled, backlight on minimum (not completely off) and the battery charged to 100%, hoping to use it for logging my position in a day hikes. Well, forget about it. It runs for approx. 4 hours that way. You will get 5 hours top with no backlight at all, or something like that.
Maybe someone here can code some kind of program that would wake the device up every 5..15 minutes, wait up to 1 minute for the GPS to get a stable fix (should be much quicker that a minute with the ephemeris data from just 10 minutes ago, right ?), store the coordinates in some kind of log readable by popular applications and go back to standby. Obviously, there is no need to turn the screen on. This should easily give it a run time of a whole day from a single charge.
InfX said:
I've tested it running OZIexplore with GPS enabled, backlight on minimum (not completely off) and the battery charged to 100%, hoping to use it for logging my position in a day hikes. Well, forget about it. It runs for approx. 4 hours that way. You will get 5 hours top with no backlight at all, or something like that.
Maybe someone here can code some kind of program that would wake the device up every 5..15 minutes, wait up to 1 minute for the GPS to get a stable fix (should be much quicker that a minute with the ephemeris data from just 10 minutes ago, right ?), store the coordinates in some kind of log readable by popular applications and go back to standby. Obviously, there is no need to turn the screen on. This should easily give it a run time of a whole day from a single charge.
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what a shame.
gps log for 8 hours would be a real all-around device for hiking.
Maybe I should get another battery and boost up life time to 4*2 hours?
I've not got round to putting mysporttraining back on my pda since I got it back (and I tend to get it back quite a lot), but I will in the next couple of days and will try running it from a full battery to see how long it lasts
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I've not got round to putting mysporttraining back on my pda since I got it back (and I tend to get it back quite a lot), but I will in the next couple of days and will try running it from a full battery to see how long it lasts
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http://www.gps-sport.net/forums/thread/487-0/Battery-life-with-Run.GPS-Mp3-player
Hi folks!
people from another forum said there run.gps (gps tracking for jogging app) works 8 hours . Maybe this is the trick:
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The perfomance of both my batteries was initially poor (3-5 hours), but they improved by 20-40% after I ran them down a few times to near Zero. "
"Just running Run.gps (and the mobile on standby), with the screen and device locked via Windows (I keep it in my pocket when cycling/motorcycling) a battery will last 7-8 hours"
Not too bad!
I should really get my hands on some IDE + SDK for WM6 and/or Polaris, so i could try coding things like those myself. This really shouldn't be very complicated. Adding yourself to the notification queue should be as easy as calling some API or simply writing to registry. There should be plenty of examples on how get the coordinates out of the GPS data stream. The OZI track formats should be easy enough as well. Would EVC4 be good enough, or do i have to load the VS2005/2008 bloatware to be able to code for WM6 ?
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http://www.gps-sport.net/forums/thread/487-0/Battery-life-with-Run.GPS-Mp3-player
Hi folks!
people from another forum said there run.gps (gps tracking for jogging app) works 8 hours . Maybe this is the trick:
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The perfomance of both my batteries was initially poor (3-5 hours), but they improved by 20-40% after I ran them down a few times to near Zero. "
"Just running Run.gps (and the mobile on standby), with the screen and device locked via Windows (I keep it in my pocket when cycling/motorcycling) a battery will last 7-8 hours"
Not too bad!
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Just had a play with this and it looks to have a lot of features. It's a shame it won't continue to work when you press the standby button.
With Mysport training you can fire it up, set audio manager going and switch the phone onto standby and it still tracks your movement. With run.gps it just stops the application.
Just been out for a run.
55 minutes in total, with audio manager playing an mp3 and my sport training running at the same time, with phone in standby.
90% battery at the start and 78% battery at the end.
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Just been out for a run.
55 minutes in total, with audio manager playing an mp3 and my sport training running at the same time, with phone in standby.
90% battery at the start and 78% battery at the end.
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great, that's 8 hous with gps+mp3. i am so gonna get one of this!!!
This is the main application you need
http://www.vidaone.com/mst_ppc.htm
Plus you need the GPS module
http://www.vidaone.com/mstgps_ppc.htm
I've been using it for the past 18 months or so. It won't do routefinding, but as a simple tool for logging your activity, speed, calories etc as well as weight and BMI etc it does the job fine.
If you have the desktop bit:
http://www.vidaone.com/vodf_win.htm
You can sync to that and see your route overlaid on google maps or mapmyride.
I've never really fully trusted battery meters on phones etc, I'll stick it on this morning and see how long it lasts until the battery runs flat
fishes234 said:
This is the main application you need
http://www.vidaone.com/mst_ppc.htm
Plus you need the GPS module
http://www.vidaone.com/mstgps_ppc.htm
I've been using it for the past 18 months or so. It won't do routefinding, but as a simple tool for logging your activity, speed, calories etc as well as weight and BMI etc it does the job fine.
If you have the desktop bit:
http://www.vidaone.com/vodf_win.htm
You can sync to that and see your route overlaid on google maps or mapmyride.
I've never really fully trusted battery meters on phones etc, I'll stick it on this morning and see how long it lasts until the battery runs flat
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there is no routefinding? that's a pity.
I suggest run.gps www.rungps.net.
it's really a nice app.
they make new features based on users' request. e.g. they have made a heart rate logger for this app. shame is, so far there is no bluetootch heart rate monitor yet. as soon as it goes on the market, they will make a online-heart-rate monitoring function.
go and try.
Nope, no routefinding, as it's an app that's designed for logging and reviewing your activities rather than the former. It does me as I never get lost and just need it as an easy way of keeping tabs on whether I'm doing enough exercise.
Sounds like Run.gps is more the thing you are looking for.
Right, time for a retraction, it seems that run.gps will work with the phone in standby. Went out for a run today and it worked just fine with the phone switched into standby and mp3s playing. Battery drain looks comparable to mysport training too.
This kind of begs the question of why it wouldn't work on standby before - I had tested it in the car with the phone on the windscreen mount and when I switched it to standby it lost gps signal. The only other difference other than it being in a car is that the headphones weren't plugged in. I don't get it.
Run gps looks like a great program though
Stranger and stranger.
It *seems* that the GPS module continues to work with the orbit in standby when in the car only if the headphones are plugged in. How odd.
When an mp3 is playing, the phone is NOT on standby. Audio player should be the one that prevents the unit from entering standby in this case, that pretty much explains the GPS working as well while listening to audio, but shutting down without it.
Well... I tried it again this lunchtime as things didn't seem to be making sense. This time round it seemed to work with the headphones unplugged, nothing running apart from run.gps and the phone on standby (that is to say, the button at the top of the phone pressed until the display goes off).
Worked fine all afternoon and accurately tracked a bit of driving and sat in the office connected all afternoon and all the way home and into the evening.
With run.gps running all day, three or four phone calls, half a dozen texts and a few emails, plus a bit of browsing t'interweb I got a total of 8 hours and 5 mins before the first low battery warning.
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Well... I tried it again this lunchtime as things didn't seem to be making sense. This time round it seemed to work with the headphones unplugged, nothing running apart from run.gps and the phone on standby (that is to say, the button at the top of the phone pressed until the display goes off).
Worked fine all afternoon and accurately tracked a bit of driving and sat in the office connected all afternoon and all the way home and into the evening.
With run.gps running all day, three or four phone calls, half a dozen texts and a few emails, plus a bit of browsing t'interweb I got a total of 8 hours and 5 mins before the first low battery warning.
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thanks for such an experiment.
I will drop diamond and get a orbit 2 soon. (my handler offered me a good deal, but I have to wait till the end of this month.)
8Hr gps recording is impressive. diamond is small but I am perfectly confortable with my xda mini, so orbit 2 with similar size and weight must be ok.
Hello evereybody !
I got my Raphael 2 weeks ago in France ... was very impressed by the device but very disapointed by the battery life.
The machine was able to run for about 1,5 day on one full charge, not more (it's true that i use it quite intensively).
Then, i had the idea to disable completely the touchfo 3D in today screen parameters, and use the original plugins for messages, calendar, task ...
And then i noticed that my battery was draining very slowly ... in fact, now, i can run the Raphael for about 3 days on one full charge, without any additional charge (no sync at all for these 3 days).
It means that without touchflo 3D ... we can have twice the battery life !
I like touchflo 3D, especially the music player ... but i will not use it anymore !
lol 1,5 day for me would be perfect
my batt only lasts 12h with heavy use (10am to 10pm for exemple)
Ill try disable TF3D
edit: how to change the 2 bottom softkeys without touchflo?
I got Calendar and Contacts, I would like Phone and Contacts
is it possible?
i have not used TF3D since day 1 and max I get for the TP is 12 hours - normal use. 6 hrs - power use
Cant imagine if I had TF on ....
Huh ? 12 h ?
How can it be possible ?
Maybe your devices are faulty ?
mine is set up to be conservative on power :
- no wifi
- no bluetooth
- "push" mail every 30 mn
- auto disconnect from data after 1 minute
- auto ajust screen brightness ... ON but it should be event better OFF
And so : 1,5 days with touchflo or 3 days without touchflo
yes some TP have problems with battery, and this is pretty often... there are some threads about this around there...
I disabled the tf3d and seems like its the same.. in just this few hours I got plenty % drained, just like tf3d on.
guys, have you all tried completely draining (until it shuts off) and recharging the phone while turned off for the first several charges? sounds like that's critical for ensuring adequate battery life in the future
I've always done this with everything that runs on batteries, so I never found out how bad the batteries can get, but i guess it's worth a try for you. good luck!
I have the same problems with my TP!
I will have a crack at it without tf3d tomorrow. I have SPB Mobile Shell and I will let you all know how it fares.
As of now my TP has about 24 hours with tf3d:
-3g off
-brightness on 3rd lowest setting
-data connections set to turn off after 10 seconds of inactivity
-email checks every 30 mins
-RSSHub downloads about 50 items or so every 6 hours
-avg 20-30 mins of talk time per day
-1-2 hr browsing time per day
-1-2 hr gaming time per day
-1-2 hr "messing around" per day
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Huh ? 12 h ?
How can it be possible ?
Maybe your devices are faulty ?
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When you use pushmail (set to "real push" respectively "as item arrives") in combination with a 3g network. And lets say about 1-2 hours of usage (phone calls, email replys etc) 12 hours is the maximum you can expect. It's my experience too. Unfortunate truth and was the same on TyTN2. I think that's also what respider meant by "heavy usage".
When you disable 3g you can double this time. And when you disable "as item arrives" and set it to about 30min sync interval you can double the time again.
One of the main reasons for me to buy a HTC phone is TF3D, so personally disabling it would make no sense at all. If I had short battery life I would rather buy a couple extra batteries on EBay than use that ridiculously ugly Windows interface.
DeepThought said:
When you use pushmail (set to "real push" respectively "as item arrives") in combination with a 3g network. And lets say about 1-2 hours of usage (phone calls, email replys etc) 12 hours is the maximum you can expect. It's my experience too. Unfortunate truth and was the same on TyTN2. I think that's also what respider meant by "heavy usage".
When you disable 3g you can double this time. And when you disable "as item arrives" and set it to about 30min sync interval you can double the time again.
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not actually, I mean using the phone many hours a day: playing games, browsing, installing things, uninstalling others, resetting, etc.
And browsing most time @ hsdpa/edge connection, not wifi.
Omg I dont even want to imagine if I set the phone to get mails as it arrives. I dont even know how to do that
Ah, yes, I see, i forgot to tell you that i use only 3G ... to keep enough battery life ...
I had an iPhone 3G before this device. With 3G and pushmail set to 15 mn, the battery life was a lot better ... let's say about 1,5 to 2 days on the apple phone. But without 3G and pushmail set on 30mn, and without touchflo ... the Rapahael is a lot better than an iPhone in the same conditions ...
euphoria47 said:
I will have a crack at it without tf3d tomorrow. I have SPB Mobile Shell and I will let you all know how it fares.
As of now my TP has about 24 hours with tf3d:
-3g off
-brightness on 3rd lowest setting
-data connections set to turn off after 10 seconds of inactivity
-email checks every 30 mins
-RSSHub downloads about 50 items or so every 6 hours
-avg 20-30 mins of talk time per day
-1-2 hr browsing time per day
-1-2 hr gaming time per day
-1-2 hr "messing around" per day
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With SPB Mobile Shell, I found my battery lasts a lot longer (over 30 hours). I used the phone to surf the web for several hours last night then purposely killed the battery by turning up the brightness to max, etc, even then, I probably managed 6 or 7 hours of active use in total since I charged the phone.
Perhaps tomorrow I could try without SPBMS, just the default windows interface, though even if it saves a ton of battery, the sacrifice in interface probably wouldn't be worth it to me!
i have problems while tethering because it drains even conected and this never happend with my 6700 or 6800, battery also gets hot like crazy
Touch Pro w/o TF3D?
Smaniac said:
One of the main reasons for me to buy a HTC phone is TF3D, so personally disabling it would make no sense at all. If I had short battery life I would rather buy a couple extra batteries on EBay than use that ridiculously ugly Windows interface.
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I agree with Smaniac. One major selling point for this generation of HTC (Diamond, Raphael, Blackstone) is the TF3D, disabling seems like backward step in usability. Every handset maker is trying to get into gesture/touch screen as interface, so losing the gesture recognition in TF3D would defeat the purpose of having Raphael imo.
Do you mind posting how you charged your battery when it arrived, and how your charging behaviors are? Although it may be just because in france they have different voltage than in the usa
totololo said:
Hello evereybody !
I got my Raphael 2 weeks ago in France ... was very impressed by the device but very disapointed by the battery life.
The machine was able to run for about 1,5 day on one full charge, not more (it's true that i use it quite intensively).
Then, i had the idea to disable completely the touchfo 3D in today screen parameters, and use the original plugins for messages, calendar, task ...
And then i noticed that my battery was draining very slowly ... in fact, now, i can run the Raphael for about 3 days on one full charge, without any additional charge (no sync at all for these 3 days).
It means that without touchflo 3D ... we can have twice the battery life !
I like touchflo 3D, especially the music player ... but i will not use it anymore !
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As usual with any battery powered device, i calibrated the battery : charged it fully in one step before to unplug it, then discharged it fully (until the device refused to wake up) in one other step, without plugging it on AC or even USB.
then, began to use it freely ...
totololo said:
Hello evereybody !
I got my Raphael 2 weeks ago in France ... was very impressed by the device but very disapointed by the battery life.
The machine was able to run for about 1,5 day on one full charge, not more (it's true that i use it quite intensively).
Then, i had the idea to disable completely the touchfo 3D in today screen parameters, and use the original plugins for messages, calendar, task ...
And then i noticed that my battery was draining very slowly ... in fact, now, i can run the Raphael for about 3 days on one full charge, without any additional charge (no sync at all for these 3 days).
It means that without touchflo 3D ... we can have twice the battery life !
I like touchflo 3D, especially the music player ... but i will not use it anymore !
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Haha if your battery lasts for 1 ½ thats not heavy use.
When I have have day with heavy use I talk around +2 hrs a day + normal email etc. that kind on day Im lucky if my battery lasts to evening.
I have TF3D enabled on mine and my battery seems fine. I listened to a whole basketball game last night using mine streaming it from the web (including 2 overtimes and it lasted), the web site states it's supposed to get 4 hours talk time, I'd say I'm getting about that between phone calls, web usage, push mail enabled, etc
I have TF3D enabled, push mail enbaled, Microsoft Communicator Mobile enabled, 3G enabled, lots of phone calls, no bluetooth, no Wifi, no web browsing, no music, no camera and the battery lasts for roughly 5-6 hours if I am lucky.
Bad Problem with the Battery
i have the TP and the bettery have a big problem it's ended in about 5 hours with no use.
how can i fix it?
is there any program to increase the use or tweak the settings?
from 5 hours no
change the battery
You have either some app running which consumes a huge amount of power (really huge! Even if you use TP as video player with the screen configured to full brightness TPs battery lasts for at least four to five hours). Or your device has got a faulty battery (which would probably be more likely).
Are you by any chance using Wayfinder Navigator gps-software? I found (the hard way) that this software doesn't close the GPS-unit in the phone automatically when you exit the application. Even after a soft-reset the problem persists. This will drain the battery in pretty much 5 hours. The solution is to manually close the GPS-connection in the WF Navigator program settings every time you exit the app (and hope for a fix ASAP). I've already reported this to Wayfinder, and they're working on it.
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Are you by any chance using Wayfinder Navigator gps-software? I found (the hard way) that this software doesn't close the GPS-unit in the phone automatically when you exit the application. Even after a soft-reset the problem persists. This will drain the battery in pretty much 5 hours. The solution is to manually close the GPS-connection in the WF Navigator program settings every time you exit the app (and hope for a fix ASAP). I've already reported this to Wayfinder, and they're working on it.
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I was using a GPS related app the other day and the same thing happened to me. Try and find out what hasn't shut down properly...
10X for all
melcul-i think i will send an email to HTC about that
DeepThought-i checked if there is any programs that running but nothing is running acording to X-buttom 35% memory in use.
aBE-One- i am not using that app.just using QuickGPS and Nav N GO IGO8 and they are close.
l1234 said:
10X for all
melcul-i think i will send an email to HTC about that
DeepThought-i checked if there is any programs that running but nothing is running acording to X-buttom 35% memory in use.
aBE-One- i am not using that app.just using QuickGPS and Nav N GO IGO8 and they are close.
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what aBE-One is saying is that on his phone he had a similar problem, the software was closed but the GPS command remained active thus draining his battery, so your IGO8 might be shut down as software but there is a chance that the GPS hardware is still running in the background for no reason. go into your com manager and turn off GPS and that should resolve the issue
l1234 said:
i have the TP and the bettery have a big problem it's ended in about 5 hours with no use.
how can i fix it?
is there any program to increase the use or tweak the settings?
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Exactly the same happened to me, after a full charge it took only 5 hours to an almost complete discharge.
I bought TP 1 week ago and it came with radio 1.02.25.17 with no battery issues at all but with the GPS issue -not finding sats-. After upgrading to 1.02.25.28 radio ROM, the GPS now works ok with TomTom, GPS test etc, but the battery now drains dramatically even in standby with no software running and all radios off except phone.
Is possible that the GPS radio stays on even after closing GPS software? In that case, is there any way to manually switch off the GPS module?. In TTN there's no a button to do this.
Mine too..
But i've observed this drain even before upgrating to radio 1.02.25.28
In 40 minutes from 78% to 69% (9%), in stand-by mode (short press power) without any running application!
And I've done 3 or 4 full discharge-full recharge cicles...
LE: No active moderator here? There are plenty of battery problem topics.. why not merge them? It's hard to chose in which one to post... Also, that's not the only case. See GPS related bugs, opera, etc. Too many duplicate topics.
Ok, more info:
I've drained the battery completely till the device turned off then I've left the phone on charging overnight (device turned off).
After about 9-10 hours I've unpluged and turned on the device. Used for 1 hour and 25 minutes in total (about 1 hour for browsing - not downloading, so data transfer was not continously - and the rest for music). With "Auto adjust backlight". The battery level gone from 100% down to 68%, so 32% battery drain in less than a hour and a half!!!
Now, after 4 minutes (device was in standby - eg: short power button press), I wanted to check something and the battery metter was on 66%... so 2% in standy/idle mode in just 4 minutes?!
@l1234 any updates?
DSF said:
Ok, more info:
I've drained the battery completely till the device turned off then I've left the phone on charging overnight (device turned off).
After about 9-10 hours I've unpluged and turned on the device. Used for 1 hour and 25 minutes in total (about 1 hour for browsing - not downloading, so data transfer was not continously - and the rest for music). With "Auto adjust backlight". The battery level gone from 100% down to 68%, so 32% battery drain in less than a hour and a half!!!
Now, after 4 minutes (device was in standby - eg: short power button press), I wanted to check something and the battery metter was on 66%... so 2% in standy/idle mode in just 4 minutes?!
@l1234 any updates?
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That all sounds correct. I can be typing emails/sms with WiFi and phone on (not actually doing anything), drains about 1% per minute.
I read the other day that the percentage indicator is faulty. Some people have reported the battery draining down to 10% in a very short time, but then the meter will stay at 10% for hours before going down to 9%, etc. Has anyone else noticed this? If not, look for it and see if it happens to you. Also, open the power meter in the settings options and verify that it shows the same battery level. I've had that happen to me already where it would say 50% in the title bar but the power options still show 3/4 of the meter!
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I read the other day that the percentage indicator is faulty. Some people have reported the battery draining down to 10% in a very short time, but then the meter will stay at 10% for hours before going down to 9%, etc. Has anyone else noticed this? If not, look for it and see if it happens to you. Also, open the power meter in the settings options and verify that it shows the same battery level. I've had that happen to me already where it would say 50% in the title bar but the power options still show 3/4 of the meter!
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I have noticed that the battery percentage indicator does this. All in all, my device has better battery life after flashing a custom ROM, keeping screen brightness under half and leaving off bluetooth or wifi if possible. my battery will stay at 100% for hours, but if i soft reset, it drops 10%. other times it will drop right away but stay there. It really does stay at 10% or so though for ages before it drops further.
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That all sounds correct. I can be typing emails/sms with WiFi and phone on (not actually doing anything), drains about 1% per minute.
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I was brosing via 3G/HSPDA connection. No WiFi/BT on.
Now, it seems that the drain in standby time is OK (haven't done something special, same processes opened.. maybe just now the battery can be used at its full performance, after some charges/discharges) - BUT when using the device the battery drains quite quickly..
I give you an example.
Battery was 100%. Browsing the internet with IE & Opera for 1 hour. Battery meter was on 75%. So 25% in one hour... tooo much... The display backlight is set to "Auto adjust".
Again, I'm not using Wifi/BT, push e-mail, etc. Just normal browsing (without downloads) with a 3G/HSPDA connection.
I've had my Fuze about a week and I've been testing out many of the available ROMs. I've noticed disturbing trend and want to know if anyone else is seeing this problem, and if so, how can we fix it? It seems like anytime I install a Raphael based ROM, I start to lose battery power at a fast rate - about 10%/hour, maybe even faster. With a cooked ROM based off the ATT Fuze code base, I do not have this problem. I get this even when I install the keyboard fix, etc. and I am doing a hard reset after install to no avail. Any help, input, thoughts or shared experiences welcome.
Andrew
I am using PROven's latest 1.4 rom and the battery is amazing!!! I loaded it last night, charged it up around 9pm and at 5pm today I am still at 70%!!!
I've noticed this as well. I first go suspicious when after a long flight in airplane mode the battery drained significantly.
No I am in all day meetings this week so I am trying several combination to see what sucks juice and what does not by keeping the radio out of the equation.
So far it seems that RomeOS is a battery suck while NATF is not. This is with the device doing nothing but sitting there with no radio activity.
I've notice that the stock .32 radio on the fuze is the culprit (at least on MY fuze). After I downgraded to the .28 radio the battery life has easily doubled!
@NRGZ28
Which .28 radio do you mean?
1.02.25.28 - Extract Official Shipped Orange ROM ESN 1.90.75.3??
I'm using ROMeOS with 1.02.25.28 radio and I have pretty good battery life on the Fuze. I've also used some other ROMs here and no issues either in regards to battery. Is your data connection on constantly or is it configured to disconnect after X # of mins?
Okay so I noticed my Captivate seems to lose a lot of battery while in standby. To test this, I left it unplugged when I went to bed last night. I checked the battery level right when I went to sleep and then again when I woke up...
My battery drained from 64% to 31% in about 7 hours!!!
I know other threads discuss bad battery life. A bright screen and a 1GHZ processor can cause this so I can understand why the phone won't allow me to browse the web for 10 hours straight. But is everyone else getting an almost 5%/hour drain in battery while in standby?
Here is a little info about my setup:
-I took off an animated background and put one that is relatively dark (Screen is off during standby so I would think this doesn't matter)
-I have WiFi and Bluetooth enabled.
-I use both wireless networks and GPS for location.
-I have 1 Gmail account setup to check every hour.
-I have the Daily Briefing set up to check every 3 hours.
-I have the Slickdeals widget set to check every 2 hours.
-I have the Latitude widget running (you can't set how often it refreshes).
-I have the ESPN ScoreCenter widget running.
That's about all I did that I can think of that can possibly affect battery. I know I would get better battery with less background widgets, but all of this is in line with the amount of background services I had running on my last phone (Tilt 2) and that thing would last for several days with light use.
So, what I'm trying to find out is whether or not this is normal behavior that everyone is seeing or perhaps if one of the background widgets I'm using is known for draining a crazy amount of battery. Maybe I need to hard reset the phone? Thanks in advance for any ideas on how to lock this down.
In poor reception I could see that. But I'm good area that's too much. Like 2% every hour is good... 5 is too much....
Thanks for your reply. I had 3 bars of service where I was last night. Also, this isn't the first time I've noticed about 5%/hour for standby, just one example...
So it sounds like I'm getting worse drain than normal? Now, how to fix it?
Well...with all the email checks and having various Widgets check for updates..it will definitely drain the battery. I have been able to easily get twelve+ hours on standby without GPS on and turning off wifi when not at home or in a place with wifi.
Definitely can't go days without charging like I could with previous phones like my blackjack II buy I can get 12-16 hours with light to moderate use and 10-12 with somewhat moderate use of Facebook, wifi, various other apps.
EDIT: the Bluetooth as well will drain the battery.
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I have very similar battery usage to use. About 5% an hour not doing anything. I am always around a wifi and leave it turned on. I have nearly an out of the box setup. Between the poor battery life and crappy GPS, I may very well be taking this thing back.
Under Settings > Wireless and Network > Wi-Fi settings > Bring up the Advanced menu and set the Wi-Fi sleep policy to "Never".
This has helped my battery life immensely, since I am around Wi-Fi most of the time. This way all your data happens over Wi-Fi instead of 3G when the screen sleeps. I disable Wi-Fi when I'm not around any APs I normally connect to.
Pulled phone off the charger at 6:00AM yesterday morning. Streamed an hour and half to 2+ hours worth of Pandora over wi-fi getting ready for work and then some in the car. Did some web surfing during the day, various other things. (No phone calls really, except a brief wrong number). 4 e-mail accounts checking every 30 minutes (one an Exchange server). Also have Touchdown running push e-mail for another Exchange mailbox along with the Touchdown widget. Played around with some GPS apps (new google maps, Places, etc for a few minutes). Battery was down to about 16% by about midnight last night.
My phone charged fully overnight (with power off). Was turned on at 7AM, it is now 11am, and am at 90%.
I do not use GPS, have nothing running, no emails or social networking status updates.. The phone is on standby on my desk. I only do a few text messages and 5 minutes of voice calls / day.
So this means I get 40hrs of standby time? That is a little ridiculous.
I chatted with AT&T tech support and they said that the AT&T stores don't have battery replacements yet, but I could get a full phone replacement since I am within the 30 days still.
But from what I am hearing, it seems most people are having the same issue if not worse, correct?
I really don't want to set everything back up AGAIN. I am coming from using a Samsung Eternity - understand it isn't a true "smartphone" - but I use it the same, and would easily go 3-4 days without needing a charge.
with GPS off, wifi off, BT off, no data sync or background data turned on, i charge it fully at night -
last 3 nights in a row, at midnight it was showing 100% and at 7:30AM it would show 97-98% remaining, and that was using the alarm, set to loud and probably ran 2 minutes before i'd hit the off button
From 7:30am-11am, I have used 4% of my battery. I have these things going on:
-Exchange sync (real time)
-Facebook sync (once every hour)
-wireless off, bluetooth off, GPS not being utilized
-Weather.com and a Google search widget
The battery use shows this:
-Cell standby: 48%
-Phone idle: 36%
-Display: 8%
-Android System: 3%
-Email: 3%
-Android OS: 2%
I've barely used my phone this morning, so I'd think 4% of use in 3.5 hours is quite acceptable. It sounds like you need to make some modifications to improve your performance.
firehazard - what modifications have you done? I have wifi/bt off, background data off, no email syncing - display brightness all the way down..
To anyone who is having very poor battery life, I suggest a factory data reset when you exhaust other options. My phone wasn't lasting me more than about 8 hours on a full charge, with light to moderate usage. After a factory reset, I just ran nearly 24 hours with similar usage.
I can't tell you what changed or what got removed, maybe it was an app that was running and draining the battery that I didn't see, but battery life is MUCH better now. Hell, everything is running much better, even the GPS.
I went from wanting to throw this phone at a wall and return it for my iPhone 4 again, to loving it in less than 24 hours.
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firehazard - what modifications have you done? I have wifi/bt off, background data off, no email syncing - display brightness all the way down..
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I'm referring to him running wifi and bluetooth when he's not even using his phone. Stuff like that.
Just for recording keeping, when a phone company says their phone can last XXXHours in Standby this means, that all wireless transmitters are off. this means (for the most part) airplane mode, with bluetooth, and wifi OFF.
these continuous wireless transmitters are why you didnt get the 200Hours or what ever it is in standby mode.
I recently took my phone back to BestBuy for a replacement since my battery was trying to kill itself overnight as well. I did the full charge when I first got it and purposely ran the battery down to quickly get it to turn itself off at 0%. Did a full recharge and repeated this process about 3 times and last night my battery only went down 3% over 6 hours. Compared to the 30-40% that was draining before, I'd say the full discharge/full recharge works that people have been talking about in the battery threads works. Thanks, everyone! I use Y5 to have it automatically connect to my WiFi at home when it's in range. Not much more than the usual was left to sync (although JuiceDefender may be working to turn stuff off when my screen is off) such as Gmail, Beautiful widgets, facebook, and one rss feed.
Either that or I had a crappy battery before
Seems like some folks are having the same problem as me, while others are having much better results. Firehazard's situation and drain while not in use is pretty much in line with my expectations of the phone. With my old Tilt 2, I left WiFi and Bluetooth on all the time and still got great standby time out of the phone. When those connections weren't in use, they weren't really draining my battery in any way. I'm going to try to disable them though and see if that helps. I'll also try to monitor the battery usage screen and see how much power is going to wifi and bluetooth when I have them on.
I've been suspicious of my battery as well, tracking it casually today.
Took it off the charger approx 8:30am, immediately went to 99%.
Watching it over the last hour it appears to be losing 1% / 10 minutes.
Running services:
SnsService
GTalkService
DMService (Device management)
Swype
TransactionService (Messaging)
org.npr.android.news (NPR)
Battery Widget
Dictionary.com (word of the day widget)
JuiceDefender
Android Core Apps
Google Voice
Cached Applications:
AppBrain
AT&T Nav
Calendar
com.sec.android.providers.downloads
Daily Briefing
LogsProvider
My Uploads
Phone
Samsung account
Wapedia
Just using it for the past 5 minutes to write up everything running has dropped the battery almost 3%. Albeit I have terrible cell coverage where I am. It does seem that the cell and wifi receivers are a bit weak, or the meters are biased conservatively.
*edit* I want to be clear that I love this phone, I just want to try and find out what and if certain services/applications drain the battery and if not then if I have a bad battery.
Okay, so I turned OFF bluetooth and WiFi and checked the battery before bed and right when I woke up. This time, I lost 24% over 8 hours. Certainly a big improvement over 33% in 7 hours, but also no where near where my old Tilt 2 was. I would lose 2-3% overnight at the most with that phone. I checked the battery meter and the majority of the battery went to Cell Standby and Phone Idle. Those don't seem like things that can be avoided through tweaking. I was in an area with 3 bars of service (same as night before), so I don't think that was an issue.
I'm debating whether or not I should try a factory data reset. Some folks reported good results with that. I really don't feel like reconfiguring my whole device if there isn't a good chance for improvement. Maybe the GPS fix that's coming will help battery life?
Have you tried reconditioning the battery? That would be the charging/discharching cycles mentioned throughout the forum?
I have done it and my phone has been on standby for more than 24 hours and I am still at 50% battery. It's just had very light usage. Wifi on for about an hour, snapping a few pics, deleting some others. A bit of calc usage. When I first got it, my battery was dismal.
Mine hasn't been modded one bit yet, just installed some apps from the market and a weather widget.
Yes, tried that. It actually helped a little but I'm still getting poor results compared to some.
I have another theory/question. I use gmail as my only email account on my phone. Its set up through the system and it syncs to the gmail application on the phone. I also have it set up in the Samsung default email client (which I prefer). Am I wasting battery because the two apps are checking mail independently? Does the gmail account sync while the Samsung one checks at intervals (I have mine set to 1 hr)?
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Yes, tried that. It actually helped a little but I'm still getting poor results compared to some.
I have another theory/question. I use gmail as my only email account on my phone. Its set up through the system and it syncs to the gmail application on the phone. I also have it set up in the Samsung default email client (which I prefer). Am I wasting battery because the two apps are checking mail independently? Does the gmail account sync while the Samsung one checks at intervals (I have mine set to 1 hr)?
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probably.
follow battery optimization guide in pimp my captivate.pdf thread. I get 1-2% battery consumption per hour with moderate to light usage.
heavy usage drops my battery about 4-5% per hour. By heavy usage I mean playing 3D games for hours str8
I noticed a strange thing when I had navigon installed a few days ago. When the app was not used (and not running in the background), it still took away about 10% of my battery, according to the overview in the 'about' settings. I uninstalled navigon and installed copilot because of that; But now I notice that copilot is behaving in exactly the same way: it also uses 10% of my battery.
This makes me believe that it is not navigon or copilot's fault, but android's. I googled for this problem and it was reported a few times, but I can't really see where the problem might be: is it android, just gingerbread, or just gingerbread on my desire s? Is there someone else who noticed this or could you check for it when you have either programme installed? It only occurs when the applications was started after a reboot. When you reboot, it seems to be go away until it is started again.
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I noticed a strange thing when I had navigon installed a few days ago. When the app was not used (and not running in the background), it still took away about 10% of my battery, according to the overview in the 'about' settings. I uninstalled navigon and installed copilot because of that; But now I notice that copilot is behaving in exactly the same way: it also uses 10% of my battery.
This makes me believe that it is not navigon or copilot's fault, but android's. I googled for this problem and it was reported a few times, but I can't really see where the problem might be: is it android, just gingerbread, or just gingerbread on my desire s? Is there someone else who noticed this or could you check for it when you have either programme installed? It only occurs when the applications was started after a reboot. When you reboot, it seems to be go away until it is started again.
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If these applications are configured to use your GPS for location detection then this makes perfect sense....GPS = Hungry battery consumer.
GPS is off, but I noticed that the location determination by cell network in the location settings was off too. Maybe it just occasionally checks in the background where the phone is using GPS? I just switched the cell network location on again. I hope this solves the problem...
Was this after using Navigation then closing it?
Also bear in mind a hot battery drains faster than a cool one. I usually find that after any period of Google Navigation the phone heats up. Then after I finish navigation and my car charger has kept me at 100% battery (making it even warmer) with all data and GPS turned off my battery drains from 100% to about 70% in an hour just sat in my pocket.
When I charge my phone to 100% before going to bed and it has 6 hours to cool down (in Airplane mode between 1am and 7am) before heavy use, it takes 12 hours to drop to 70%.
I have not noticed Navigation trying to activate any GPS or location info after I've exited it, either with stock or custom ROM. It shouldn't be checking where you are if you are not running it in the foreground. I'll open it, close it again, and leave GPS on to see if I can replicate your problem.
Did the battery actually last shorter? the 'about' setting has to be read different i think!
My phone shows at the moment that it runs for 19h on the battery, the percentage of the applications show what there part was from that 19h use.
count all those percentages and it will be around or slightly above 100%
navigation uses a lot of energy so the percentage of usage from the battery is high but if you do not use it the percentage will decrease as other applications will continue to use battery.
Well, I opened the app to check wether it worked (for about a minute or so), and closed it. Later that day I recharged the phone completely. When it was down to 60 percent again, the copilot/navigon app accounted for 10 percent of the battery use. Strange, isn't it? I still believe it is doing something in the background, although it is closed completely. It must be some kind of android bug with external navigation programmes, google maps/navigations doesn't seem to do it.
I turned on the location based on cell network now, and this seems to solve the problem. Now the percentage used by navigon is about 3 percent since it was charged, which seems normal, considering that I have opened it for a few minutes.
In other news, Garmin bought Navigon.
i'm 12hrs in battery and i haven't used gps or navigation for 5 days or more. i 've installed sygic aura, copilot ndrive and gps status. Android says that copilot and sygic have drained 3% each!
Can you explain this?
I get the same drain, 13% with Sygic... doing nothing. I don't even see any reference to it in processes/Services with Elixir.
Not good when you're a trip and need both cached maps for no data traffic and a battery that lasts.
If those percentages reflect reality that is.