Dear all,
As we all know Windows RT/8's IE Metro browser has limited flash support based on a whitelist. However a lot of sites are not (yet) whitelisted and hence do not work as desired. So I did some digging in the whitelist mechanism and found a way to hack it.
Be sure to follow the following steps in respective order:
Open Desktop IE10 type ALT --> Tools --> Compatibility View settings. Now UNCHECK the last checkmark which says: "Download updated compatibility list from Microsoft". If you have done this, you will be able to locally change the whitelist without getting overridden.
WARNING: If this checkbox is checked IE will override your custom whitelist back to default on each rebout, so be sure to uncheck it..
The whitelist is named "iecompatdata.xml" and is located in this path (copy + paste in File Explorer or IE10)
Code:
%HOMEPATH%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\IECompatData\
(Alternatively open File Explorer and search in C:\ for "iecompatdata")
As suggested by danchar4, you can open and edit this file directly with Notepad by pressing WIN + R and type:
Code:
notepad "%HOMEPATH%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\IECompatData\iecompatdata.xml"
All whitelisted flash enabled websites are located in this file inbetween the following tags:
Code:
<Flash>
[...]
<domain>zumiez.com</domain>
<domain>zynga.com</domain>
</Flash>
To add a website to the whitelist, all you do is add your desired website inside these tags as follows:
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<domain>YOURDESIREDDOMAIN.COM</domain>
Add as many websites as you desire...
Now we are almost done, one last task is to delete browsing histroy. Open IE10 Metro and click WIN+I (to open settings) --> Internet Options —> Delete browsing history
And you are all set and done. Flash is now enabled in IE10 Metro for the websites you have added to the whitelist!
Of course as with any hack, attempt only at your own risk. I am not responsible in case faulty behaviour occurs... That said, it should be fine
Kind regards,
Marvin
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TROUBLE SHOOTING + FAQ
I tried to do these steps but it does not work on www.website.com...
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If the flash content is embedded as an iframe, be sure to also add the domain of the source of the flash content. E.g. be sure to also add the website where the iframe links to to the whitelisted sources, this is what will eventually determine whether flash will be activated or not for this website.
Does this method work for www.website.com?
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If 'website.com' uses a standard flash plugin (e.g. if you can view the flash content on a normal desktop with just the standard adobe flash player plugin) it will work with this method. All this method does is activating the built in flash plugin for any website you have added to the whitelist.
I can not find the file "iecompatdata.xml"
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If you can't find this file be sure to enable "show hidden files", this folder will show up now. Alternatively you can find it by searching C:\ for the query "iecompatdata", the file will now show up.
I have added www.website.com to the whitelist, but it does not work!
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Be sure to delete your browsing history and refresh the page. If it does not work now, please be sure to check if you have added the website correctly (e.g. within <domain> tags).
After I have rebooted my computer, I have lost my custom whitelist!
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Make sure you have UNCHECKED the last checkmark in "Compatibility View settings" which says: "Download updated compatibility list from Microsoft". If you have done this, you will be able to locally change the whitelist without IE overriding it automatically.
Marvin_S said:
After more thorough testing, I found that a domain with a wildcard will not work i.e.
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<domain>*.com</domain>
Does not allow flash to work on all .com sites... so this solution is out of the window, unless somebody knows if a wildcard in this list is supplied differently. I could not find anything in the documentation regarding the use of wildcards in this list, so most likely its not supported.
Alternatively, we could create some kind of "community" maintained whitelist, where anybody can just add any website and we will then point IE10 to download a whitelist from this community maintained source (instead of from Microsoft).
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Thanks so much for this work. I remember u from ur past work on wp7/7.5 on here. Thanks again. I almost called MS lite to return my surface because of this stupidity. Are they like apple or what? Trying to decide what u can do and what u can't is a v.stupid idea and whoever decided this at MS should be fired. If I wanted a prison garden, I'd buy an iPad.
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Now if I can find an easy way to block the ads ill be really happy. These ads are so invading. I didn't realize how much firefox with adblock was until I had to us IE for the last 3 days. quite annoying as it makes content loading so slow.
xirsteon said:
Thanks so much for this work. I remember u from ur past work on wp7/7.5 on here. Thanks again. I almost called MS lite to return my surface because of this stupidity. Are they like apple or what? Trying to decide what u can do and what u can't is a v.stupid idea and whoever decided this at MS should be fired. If I wanted a prison garden, I'd buy an iPad.
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Now if I can find an easy way to block the ads ill be really happy. These ads are so invading. I didn't realize how much firefox with adblock was until I had to us IE for the last 3 days. quite annoying as it makes content loading so slow.
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Your welcome. Glad it was helpful, yes I have been less active due to obligations at the univerisity. If we find a better solution we will let you know.
Some kind of adblocker is also integrated in Internet Explorer. Go to Manage add-ons and then to Tracking Protection. Now download a couple of adblock lists. It is not as good as chrome/ff, but it gets the job done for the most part!
And take some time to get used to your new machine, its a beautiful device and only yet people are starting to explore it and develop for it. It will for sure be a highly demanded device and will most likely reach a lot of developer/hacker interest.
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Are they like apple or what? Trying to decide what u can do and what u can't is a v.stupid idea and whoever decided this at MS should be fired. If I wanted a prison garden, I'd buy an iPad
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The restriction against other browsers is equally disturbing.
See here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431236-92/microsoft-bans-firefox-on-arm-based-windows-mozilla-says/
Even Google, who loves to push their own brand name through Chrome, saw the wisdom of allowing the customer freedom.
Lets not forget what, in large part, created Android's success - people jumped ship from Apple because they saw Android as an OS that allowed the consumer as much or as little customization as you want - you want it simple - they present a good out of box experience - you want something more, you can make changes.
We don't need two walled gardens.
Eh, that's just the restriction against third-party desktop apps. Mozilla even acknowledges that they could build a Windows Store app, and in fact they're apparently doing that (http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57376421-264/coming-in-2012-firefox-for-windows-8s-metro/)... just for some reason they're doing it only for x86. Since Store apps, even for RT, are allowed to use native C/C++ and the compiler supports building them for ARM, I'm really not sure why they don't just recompile it for RT. Yeah, their JavaScript JIT would need to be changed, but they already have a JIT for ARM don't they? That's equally relevant for Firefox on RT in the Desktop or in "Metro" anyhow, so it would be a stupid thing to complain about. In any case, they could just fall back to interpreted JS.
Installed Chrome Browser
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Eh, that's just the restriction against third-party desktop apps. Mozilla even acknowledges that they could build a Windows Store app, and in fact they're apparently doing that (http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57376421-264/coming-in-2012-firefox-for-windows-8s-metro/)... just for some reason they're doing it only for x86. Since Store apps, even for RT, are allowed to use native C/C++ and the compiler supports building them for ARM, I'm really not sure why they don't just recompile it for RT. Yeah, their JavaScript JIT would need to be changed, but they already have a JIT for ARM don't they? That's equally relevant for Firefox on RT in the Desktop or in "Metro" anyhow, so it would be a stupid thing to complain about. In any case, they could just fall back to interpreted JS.
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I am not sure if this adds anything to the discussion. I don't own a Windows RT machine, but I was in Office Depot the other day looking at their devices. They had a Samsung ATIV Smart PC on display. So, I messed around with if for a while. I had read that other browsers were forbidden on the RT. I thought, I wonder if Google Chrome will run? So I installed it off the internet and it worked.
My question is this: Is it just the MS RT the locks itself down? Why did the Samsung allow me to D/L and install Chrome?
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My question is this: Is it just the MS RT the locks itself down? Why did the Samsung allow me to D/L and install Chrome?
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the software restrictions should be the same, the other limitation is that you can't just download x86 software and install it on the RT because x86 doesn't run on ARM processors, are you absolutely certain you were on an ATIV tab running Windows RT or just a samsung tablet running Windows 8 with an x86 processor? If it was already possible to install chrome on Windows RT it'd be all over the internet.
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I am not sure if this adds anything to the discussion. I don't own a Windows RT machine, but I was in Office Depot the other day looking at their devices. They had a Samsung ATIV Smart PC on display. So, I messed around with if for a while. I had read that other browsers were forbidden on the RT. I thought, I wonder if Google Chrome will run? So I installed it off the internet and it worked.
My question is this: Is it just the MS RT the locks itself down? Why did the Samsung allow me to D/L and install Chrome?
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it's the samsung smart PC running on x86 hardware? (clovertrail or i5) if it is, then it's running full windows 8 and you can install any legacy apps (like chrome/ff) to your hearts content.
not to go off topic too much, but as to the earlier comment about freedom and choice being the reason android gained so much marketshare so fast. it has more to do with the combination of cheap handsets and carrier penetration, at a time when the iphone was locked to one network in the US and blackberry was slowly falling out of the consumer mindshare. yes, people like us who frequent xda might have moved to it because of the openness of the platform, but the mainstream market really doesn't care about that.
Guys, we are wandering too far off topic. I appreciate the discussion, but please let it be (somehow) related to ways of enabling flash on IE10 on Win RT and 8. The limitations of Windows RT are better to be discussed in appropriate threads
Did anybody do an experiment with this compatibility list? Or tried to deactivate it in its entire? A systems admin or IT pro might no some more details on this?
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Guys, we are wandering too far off topic. I appreciate the discussion, but please let it be (somehow) related to ways of enabling flash on IE10 on Win RT and 8. The limitations of Windows RT are better to be discussed in appropriate threads
Did anybody do an experiment with this compatibility list? Or tried to deactivate it in its entire? A systems admin or IT pro might no some more details on this?
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I added several websites and it worked fine. I'm a bit bummed as I think MS will find a way to over write the xml file in a masquerade windows update. As far as deactivation is concerned, I thought about making a backup of the xml file, and completely deleting the original to see if it works at all. What do u think?
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I added several websites and it worked fine. I'm a bit bummed as I think MS will find a way to over write the xml file in a masquerade windows update. As far as deactivation is concerned, I thought about making a backup of the xml file, and completely deleting the original to see if it works at all. What do u think?
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It might work, but I assume it will just deactivate compatibility view in its entire and hence disable flash for all sites. But its worth the try Let me know if it works!
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It might work, but I assume it will just deactivate compatibility view in its entire and hence disable flash for all sites. But its worth the try Let me know if it works!
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Well I created a local account to test this. Backup the file and deleted the original. All the blacklisted sites didn't work. So its not 100% possible yet but I bet there's a reg option or even a security policy (secpol.msc) that will turn this check off completely. Perhaps a bit of poke around will yield some insights. I looked in secpol and didn't find anything. So that leaves the registry up for grabs unless they're pulling that wp hidden / reg lock down thing.
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Well I created a local account to test this. Backup the file and deleted the original. All the blacklisted sites didn't work. So its not 100% possible yet but I bet there's a reg option or even a security policy (secpol.msc) that will turn this check off completely. Perhaps a bit of poke around will yield some insights. I looked in secpol and didn't find anything. So that leaves the registry up for grabs unless they're pulling that wp hidden / reg lock down thing.
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i bet its hidden, since if you want to add a developer website to test flash on you will have to create a reg key in a non existing folder in the ie registry settings called FLASH, so I guess thats the hidden folder. But I wonder if it is possible to somehow trace these folders. I personally dont know anything about the entire mechanism behind the comapibility view. I just discovered it by accident by figuring out where the whitelist was located. So far it seems that it does not take wildcards for domains and also shutting down the list in its entire does not seem to work. We can try to add a 'blank' domain but I doubt it will work.
Doesn't work for me
I am doing just as instructed. I do not know why it doesn't for me. I tried movie2k.to and myp2p, ibliz. None of them work
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It might work, but I assume it will just deactivate compatibility view in its entire and hence disable flash for all sites. But its worth the try Let me know if it works!
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More likely is that it will download the default list, or the current list. I don't really see compatibility view as an issue. What you are getting is the ability to use the major Flash-enabled sites without any of the ad sites, built-in as opposed to using third-party solutions.
mechmouni said:
I am doing just as instructed. I do not know why it doesn't for me. I tried movie2k.to and myp2p, ibliz. None of them work
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Make sure you follow each step correctly. It has been tested and confirmed working by lots of people, on both Windows RT and Windows 8. Make sure you delete browsing history.
Marvin_S said:
Alternatively, we could create some kind of "community" maintained whitelist, where anybody can just add any website and we will then point IE10 to download a whitelist from this community maintained source (instead of from Microsoft).
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Here you can add sites: http://minecraft.digiex.org/flash/
And here is the list itself: http://minecraft.digiex.org/flash/iecompatviewlist.xml
Working with Nuduaa on a auto downloader script to autoupdate it every now and then on the surface.
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Here you can add sites: http://minecraft.digiex.org/flash/
And here is the list itself: http://minecraft.digiex.org/flash/iecompatviewlist.xml
Working with Nuduaa on a auto downloader script to autoupdate it every now and then on the surface.
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Awesome! Now I just have to wait for MS to ship me a damn Surface
If it is done (and there is some automation) I will add it to the first post!
Thank you for maintaining the list. This is great guys... good work!
Does anybody know if Windows RT allows the creation of custom extensions?
help
I am following the steps yet I can't find the place in c drive as described on my surface.
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I need some peeps to look over my new guide b4 i post it up. Just wrapped it up 10 min ago.
Its a word document attached to this post. Just double check my info or make sure its easy to follow/read.
I'm online if I can do anything to help just let me know.
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Heres the guide, alpha version.
man i guess you cant do attachments in pm's. I'll attach the word doc here (first post). Take a look and pm me my noob mistakes
Layout is incomplete, ill take care of that later. Im mostly interested in clarity and accuracy of information.
i love the name to start it off!
I think the overall post is very good. I couldn't test much of it because I have a mac.
One thing I would suggest is once they get launcher pro, to get something like retro clock or a clock widget since I couldn't find one within the widget system using launcher pro.
haha thanks mad, i needed something that would catch people's attention and hopefully get to them b4 they started posting questions that have already been answered.
i love the name to start it off!
I think the overall post is very good. I couldn't test much of it because I have a mac.
One thing I would suggest is once they get launcher pro, to get something like retro clock or a clock widget since I couldn't find one within the widget system using launcher pro
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Thank you, i'll add that info now.
I still need more people to read through this.
Should i suggest that you should provide .doc format too?
Not a lot of ppl have 2007+ MS word.
I have to say this guide is wonderful.
We should start a wiki or something.
Thanks :]
there's a free Word 2003 plugin that lets you read .docx files, and Google Docs can read 'em too.
The only thing I have an issue with is the whole Cult of the Task Killer thing, as I'm an Apostle of Android Memory Management and find it offensive.
But seriously, might want to put some of the cons of Task Killers in that article. This isn't 2008 and we're not using underpowered G1's running poorly disciplined first generation applications. Or Windows Mobile.
croak, i guess im uninformed onthe subject, ill do a google search on that topic. In the meantime, if you drop back in, would you mind elaborating? I'd be glad to clarify/expand what i've written in the guide to ensure users understand their options so they can decide what they would like to do and what they wouldnt .
and thanks alot for the support accinfo. I'll release the plugin officially later tonight in a thread where everyone can read it (woot). Gonna make a few changes first.
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there's a free Word 2003 plugin that lets you read .docx files, and Google Docs can read 'em too.
The only thing I have an issue with is the whole Cult of the Task Killer thing, as I'm an Apostle of Android Memory Management and find it offensive.
But seriously, might want to put some of the cons of Task Killers in that article. This isn't 2008 and we're not using underpowered G1's running poorly disciplined first generation applications. Or Windows Mobile.
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Similarly, I find the whole "oh task killer is a must have" quite misleading. My phone is fast enough for multitasking.
Okay, here are some reasons.
Con: Either the task killer will kill too fast or too slow. The ignore list isn't really 'perfect.' Sometimes, you want to kill the app, sometimes you don't. In the end, you will have to manually delete the app.
In short, task killer does not kill the right app at the right time.
Any objjection, anyone?
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One more suggestion, please add your name in the darn document, so people will recognize for your magnificent work.
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You should edit "
I chose only the best I’ve experienced for this section. Ofc, look something up on google b4 buying it to make sure it’s your cup of tea too."
to something along the line thhhhhhhhatttt "you can also try with trial / lite / ad version." to offer more options.
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You should add a FAQ later on :]
systoxity said:
croak, i guess im uninformed onthe subject, ill do a google search on that topic. In the meantime, if you drop back in, would you mind elaborating? I'd be glad to clarify/expand what i've written in the guide to ensure users understand their options so they can decide what they would like to do and what they wouldnt .
and thanks alot for the support accinfo. I'll release the plugin officially later tonight in a thread where everyone can read it (woot). Gonna make a few changes first.
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Here's a good start:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
There's still a time when you need to nuke something, but you can do that with Android's built-in task management if need be. There's even an easy way to access it.
Long-press on the desktop, select Shortcuts, scroll down to the bottom of the list, select Settings, and then select Manage Applications.
Once you have that open, hit Menu, Filter, Running Programs. Find your rogue program and nuke it by clicking Force Close.
I should add there's a few other useful shortcuts you can select under Settings, the most handy for new users probably being Battery Usage.
accinfo said:
Similarly, I find the whole "oh task killer is a must have" quite misleading. My phone is fast enough for multitasking.
Okay, here are some reasons.
Con: Either the task killer will kill too fast or too slow. The ignore list isn't really 'perfect.' Sometimes, you want to kill the app, sometimes you don't. In the end, you will have to manually delete the app.
In short, task killer does not kill the right app at the right time.
Any objjection, anyone?
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One more suggestion, please add your name in the darn document, so people will recognize for your magnificent work.
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You should edit "
I chose only the best I’ve experienced for this section. Ofc, look something up on google b4 buying it to make sure it’s your cup of tea too."
to something along the line thhhhhhhhatttt "you can also try with trial / lite / ad version." to offer more options.
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Thanks for the great suggestions, i'll write it in now and leave some space for an FAQ. and the document is only there for bad ass mofos like you who actually take the time to proof someone's work when they need it. I'll post the contents of this doc here after i add in some of the suggestions i've gotten and reread it one more time.
Im thinking about adding a section for the recovery that was recently released for us, but im wondering if that will cause too much confusion
You're welcome, you should be being thanked more than me being thanked.
Confusion? If you are able to format document with enough usage of "bold / italicise / underlining" then it would be a breeze for readers to read it.
Usuaully, people combine letters / number assigning to the table of contents. In turn, it'll be easier for users to use search (Ctrl + F) to search that most immediate issue.
For instance,
(PYP) Prep Your Phone
(PYC) Prep Your Computer
(RYP) Root Your Phone
(SO) Speed Optimization
(SO1)Swapping out Slow Samsung Launcher
(SO2)Task Killer
(SO2)Removing ATT Bloatware
(BO)Battery Optimization
(GPSO)GPS Optimization
(SME)Sideloading Made Easy
(RAMR)Removing ATT Market Restrictions:
(RAG)Recommended Apps and Games
Thank you, i will do that. Currently adding an idiot proof section on how to use clockworkmod recovery . I wish i had some mac users that could give me some tips on how to root and set up their macs for the captivate. I really want someone's personal experiences on the subject.
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I wish i had some mac users that could give me some tips on how to root and set up their macs for the captivate. I really want someone's personal experiences on the subject.
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I use a mac, what do you need to know?
badass thanks, where did you get your usb drivers and how do you sideload apps to your phone
Oh i also heard you have to do something different when you root from a mac. did you use the android sdk? what would you recommend other mac users do to root their phones?
Macs don't require USB drivers, but for god know what reason it only connects when you are in debugging mode. I'm assuming this will change with a software update though. Rooting is the same as a PC once you have the update.zip and sideloading apps is supposed to work with the mac/linux version of sideload wonder (android and me) but I haven't been able to try it because the download link is down. Additionally I don't see why the DB solution shouldn't work, but for me it didn't even after correctly altering the database (I did for sure because I confirmed it with a SQL DB editor on the phone. Regardless everything is much the same on the mac, except the actual software solutions of sideloading which require a different program.
You should really consider creating a Mac version to go along with the PC version to cover all bases (granted you don't actually own a mac)
http://www.securitynewsdaily.com/1805-android-driveby-download.html
I'm wondering if you have your browser's user agent set to desktop or ios, does it still do the redirect or does it just see the browser has something else?
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I'm wondering if you have your browser's user agent set to desktop or ios, does it still do the redirect or does it just see the browser has something else?
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Though I don't know exactly how these exploits work, your question seems valid to me. Hopefully mobile security developers are testing this. I would think that a user agent value of iOS or Android would be most likely to invoke such an exploit when it is aimed at mobile devices.
On my phone, I rarely use a web browser. When I do, it is Firefox with the Phony extension (which lets me change the user agent), and I mostly browse via bookmarks.
Would I have the vigilance and stamina to change to a presumed safer user agent (e.g., Firefox desktop) when I browse to each domain I don't trust? If I could automate the change, yes. Otherwise, maybe not.
Looks like its a page sending an apk to be downloaded. Some browsers like the system on in GB will auto start downloads, Dolphin HD and possibly others will display a prompt before downloading unless these sites have found some exploit.
In order to be infected the user would not only have to download the apk, but also accept the installation notice. A malicious apk file that isn't installed doesn't pose any threat. Its safer than websites that try to send executables to a Windows machine, because those files will post a threat before being installed.
All OSes have their weaknesses, iOS jailbreaks through the browser showed some pretty serious security flaws being exploited.
Major weekness, no, not all. But one that could potentially harm the tech illiterate? Yes. Not all people understand the consequences of clicking links in email. Those who don't would be the ones who this would infect.
"oh something just popped up on my phone.......
it says "better browsing".........*clicks ok
ummm, "Do you wish to install "A Faster Internet".......*clicks ok"
Infected.
spunker88 said:
Looks like its a page sending an apk to be downloaded. Some browsers like the system on in GB will auto start downloads, Dolphin HD and possibly others will display a prompt before downloading unless these sites have found some exploit.
In order to be infected the user would not only have to download the apk, but also accept the installation notice. A malicious apk file that isn't installed doesn't pose any threat. Its safer than websites that try to send executables to a Windows machine, because those files will post a threat before being installed.
All OSes have their weaknesses, iOS jailbreaks through the browser showed some pretty serious security flaws being exploited.
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I'm curious but do you get full desktop Internet Explorer or just the Metro version?
If you get both, can you please run a test for me? Does CSS3Please function identically in both? If it doesn't, it's because Metro IE doesn't support Flash on that site (it's not been whitelisted). Don't ask me why that site needs Flash. *shrugs*
(FYI, that site doesn't run identically in both IEs for full Windows 8)
yes it does .. both desktop IE and metro IE
It does, but the desktop mode is not true desktop. Its features and looks are like desktop but function is different. Flash is hard baked into it, there are no plugins allowed as far as I can see. Basically its the same browser with a different interface.
Your CSS3 sheet does not work in either browser.
I'm really not happy about the poor implementation of flash - your test CSS3 underscores the problem. It doesnt really perform like a desktop browser. One of my biggest hopes with the surface was to finally have a flash competent browser. But it doesn't appear to be the case. Looks like Surface Pro or a third party i5 or atom tablet with Windows 8 might be a better option for browsing.
The site appears to work OK in desktop IE10 on Windows RT, but I'm not certain how well it is supposed to work so I can't really compare.
As for the Flash thing, it's the only current ARM tablet that ships with Flash at all... and, while I'm working on a way to enable it on *any* site, for now I wrote a very simple script that automates the setting of the registry value for you, plus one that will set the permissions so that you don't have to run as Admin in order to change the value.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33412065&postcount=2
Digital Man said:
It does, but the desktop mode is not true desktop. Its features and looks are like desktop but function is different. Flash is hard baked into it, there are no plugins allowed as far as I can see. Basically its the same browser with a different interface.
Your CSS3 sheet does not work in either browser.
I'm really not happy about the poor implementation of flash - your test CSS3 underscores the problem. It doesnt really perform like a desktop browser. One of my biggest hopes with the surface was to finally have a flash competent browser. But it doesn't appear to be the case. Looks like Surface Pro or a third party i5 or atom tablet with Windows 8 might be a better option for browsing.
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The site appears to work OK in desktop IE10 on Windows RT, but I'm not certain how well it is supposed to work so I can't really compare.
As for the Flash thing, it's the only current ARM tablet that ships with Flash at all... and, while I'm working on a way to enable it on *any* site, for now I wrote a very simple script that automates the setting of the registry value for you, plus one that will set the permissions so that you don't have to run as Admin in order to change the value.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33412065&postcount=2
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I've found it to be possible to edit the whitelist locally. Now I need to find a way to disable the whitelist at all. It should be doable as the whitelist is closely related to the Compatibility View (as I found out trough some brief research).
For now you can just add all your desired domains to the whitelist so you will get flash on all websites you want.
See this post for more info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961793
I know there is a lot of gripe about the White list of what websites are allowed to use flash. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the topic so I wanted to fish around a bit for some information and pose some questions.
-Is it always going to be like this? Is it likely that they will release someway for users to control their own flash preferences?
-Is it likely that a 3rd party will release something that will allow a setting like this?
- [Edit] If more support for Flash is to be forthcoming, what would one expect the timeline to be? How long would it take? [I know this will mostly be speculation ]
- [EDIT] if firefox or chrome were developed for it, would they have to run off of the whitelist as well?
-As someone who hasn't touched windows 8 full, does the full OS have a similar flash limitation?
Also if this is the wrong place for this I am terribly sorry and will move the thread where ever it goes.
adashofrainbow said:
I know there is a lot of gripe about the White list of what websites are allowed to use flash. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the topic so I wanted to fish around a bit for some information and pose some questions.
-Is it always going to be like this? Is it likely that they will release someway for users to control their own flash preferences?
-Is it likely that a 3rd party will release something that will allow a setting like this?
-As someone who hasn't touched windows 8 full, does the full OS have a similar flash limitation?
Also if this is the wrong place for this I am terribly sorry and will move the thread where ever it goes.
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Hello
I don't think it will always be like this. I think someone may create a tool that automatically adds websites or simplify the process for us. Or we may even have a list that the community creates and we could possibly set our browser to auto download the list via options or script or 3rd party software. That being said, I do not think full windows will have the same flash limitation..at least not in desktop mode, because they can install whatever windows app they choose. It's an awesome device nonetheless.
equisbox said:
Hello
I don't think it will always be like this. I think someone may create a tool that automatically adds websites or simplify the process for us. Or we may even have a list that the community creates and we could possibly set our browser to auto download the list via options or script or 3rd party software. That being said, I do not think full windows will have the same flash limitation..at least not in desktop mode, because they can install whatever windows app they choose. It's an awesome device nonetheless.
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There is no doubt that I am enjoying my new toy. However I really enjoy certain facebook games, like Marvel Avenger's and Draw something, but unfortunately the flash support of Facebook doesn't extend to these. I got this to replace my laptop, it's unfortunate that I can't play these on the go any more. I suppose a time line for flash support would be another question I have.
laptop replacement...I think the surface pro is probably a better option for laptop replacement than the RT. Unless of course you only do light amount of things on your laptop, and do not care about not being able to install 'regular' windows applications such as Photoshop. Even then you could remote desktop into your PC and use those applications, Some people have reported very good results using remote desktop on the surface, but I have yet to try it or myself. Don't get me wrong though, the surface RT is a very powerful device and a lot better then android and ipad as far as productivity IMO. We are just little behind on the number of applications, and even then you could argue that most android and apple apps are useless. Nonetheless, the do have us beat by the numbers. We get a real high quality app right out the box - Office.
I was at a crossroads before I purchased my Surface. I love androids and I couldn't decide between RT or android tablet. I played with the Surface and I feel in love, Whereas the android tablet would have been just like having a bigger phone. There's not much I could do in an Android tablet that I couldn't do on my Samsung Galaxy S3.
I also though I wanted the Surface PRO at first, but upon further research, I came to the conclusion that RT was the right choice. I wanted a Tablet that can do light PC related tasks, not a full mini laptop - I have a DELL XPS 15 and multiple desktops for any 'serious' work I may need to do. The pro will probably get HOT and windy and noisy due to the fans as well. I think a lot of people who purchase the pro may end up returning it and getting a RT because I do not think the PRO will functions completely like a tablet. I may be wrong but I guess only time will tell.
I love this thing.
To answer some questions:
Win8 (x86/x64) includes the whitelist in its iecompatdata.xml file, but doesn't "respect" it (i.e. all Flash sites work).
While an official tool to control Flash usage is quite possible, don't hold your breath. A few unofficial tools already exist, but tend to be a bit limited and/or cumbersome to use (I'm working on an improved one myself).
A Windows Store app, even if it could get approved, probably wouldn't work for most people; the relevant file is outside the app sandbox, so the user would have to manually grant permission to access it.
For Facebook games (or other places where an external video is embedded manually), try adding the domain of the Flash file itself (usually found in an OBJECT tag, with an extension like ".flv"). For example, if the Flash file comes from "http://flash.facebook-games.com/IMaedAGaem/flashgame.flv", you should try adding "facebook-games.com" to the whitelist. You can try using my old scripts (working on updates for them) for this, although I can't promise they'll work in that case (haven't ever tried). The link is in my signature.
GoodDayToDie said:
To answer some questions:
Win8 (x86/x64) includes the whitelist in its iecompatdata.xml file, but doesn't "respect" it (i.e. all Flash sites work).
While an official tool to control Flash usage is quite possible, don't hold your breath. A few unofficial tools already exist, but tend to be a bit limited and/or cumbersome to use (I'm working on an improved one myself).
A Windows Store app, even if it could get approved, probably wouldn't work for most people; the relevant file is outside the app sandbox, so the user would have to manually grant permission to access it.
For Facebook games (or other places where an external video is embedded manually), try adding the domain of the Flash file itself (usually found in an OBJECT tag, with an extension like ".flv"). For example, if the Flash file comes from "http://flash.facebook-games.com/IMaedAGaem/flashgame.flv", you should try adding "facebook-games.com" to the whitelist. You can try using my old scripts (working on updates for them) for this, although I can't promise they'll work in that case (haven't ever tried). The link is in my signature.
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So what's the real hope? That more websites get whitelisted?
adashofrainbow said:
So what's the real hope? That more websites get whitelisted?
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That, or that Microsoft discontinue the whitelist
you do understand that you can easily add to the whitelist yourself right?
mmian said:
you do understand that you can easily add to the whitelist yourself right?
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Yes, but it would be nice to not have to. And I'm not always 100% successful
Good news everyone Microsoft is enabling Flash by default in Internet Explorer 10 starting March 12th part of the patch Tuesday updates
Link http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/11/4090878/microsoft-enabling-flash-by-default-windows-8-rt-march-12
no more hacks! \o/
Yay, now I can enjoy the internet just a little bit more!
Yeah, long overdue on their part.
For people who would still like to use Flash on a whitelist (there are definitely some of us), there are some options built into IE:
1. Use "ActiveX Filtering". It's under Tools -> Safety. It will put a little blue circle in the URL bar of a site with blocked ActiveX (not just Flash; any ActiveX) and you can click the circle to turn off the filter for that site.
2. Use the ActiveX plugin's own whitelist. Go to the Add-On Manager (Tools -> "Manage add-ons") and then double-click on "Shockwave Flash Object". Hit "Remove all sites" and then OK and exit the manager. Now, any site that requires Flash will pop up a Information Bar request for it (down at the bottom, like a file download request although without the attention-grabbing color shift) which you can approve or deny. Approving the site will add it to the whitelist in the add-on manager. This can be done on a per-plugin basis.
These methods can be combined, if you want. It's also possible to block the most common source of Flash (advertisements) using IE's built-in "Tracking Protection" feature combined with either a well-built homemade list, or using one of the official lists (EasyList, the same folks who maintain the AdBlock Pro list of that name, have one for IE). As with ActiveX Filtering, you can see when Tracking Protection is blocking something because the little blue cross-out circle appears, and you can turn it off for that site by clicking on the circle an approving the site.
This where they slip in a jail break fix rofl.
Lovely, today a large am out of updates, does this include the flash enablement?
Clienterror said:
This where they slip in a jail break fix rofl.
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Tested, I am still able to use the jailbreak after the March update on my Surface RT,
LastBattle said:
Tested, I am still able to use the jailbreak after the March update on my Surface RT,
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Awesome! I was being more on the funny side though
Webpages on espn.go.com and cnet tv must use another plug-in unfortunately since I still get no video. So that sucks, but now you don't manually have to add a site one by one so I'm thankful for that.
Disable Flash
I'm already done with them stupid flash-banners and ads. I don't need flash in Modern UI IE10, any way I can disable it?
ReijMan said:
I'm already done with them stupid flash-banners and ads. I don't need flash in Modern UI IE10, any way I can disable it?
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If you disable it in the Desktop IE, it will also be disabled in the Modern UI one. (Settings menu, "Manage Add-ons," right-click Shockwave, select "disable.")
KJ98653 said:
Webpages on espn.go.com and cnet tv must use another plug-in unfortunately since I still get no video. So that sucks, but now you don't manually have to add a site one by one so I'm thankful for that.
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Hmmm... I could watch CNet TV on RT before flash was enabled for all sites... It doesn't work? And you've restarted recently?
C-Lang said:
Hmmm... I could watch CNet TV on RT before flash was enabled for all sites... It doesn't work? And you've restarted recently?
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Yes. Here's some screenshots of what I see.
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=8639C9274E06C173!403&authkey=!APTjgXu1gNiHUi4
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=8639C9274E06C173!404&authkey=!AMroefSL-CXXT_A
ESPN and cnet apps will play the videos I want to view, but the apps are too sluggish for me vs the web.
Thank god... was that so hard Microsoft? Was it? Lol. I can delete the annoying shortcuts I made on the desktop to access that list. I've also noticed my browser has been running a little faster as well.