The difference between the "android development" and the "original android development"
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Android Development = Sense based roms (ICS)
Original Android Development = AOSP roms (Usually JB)
Trackstar996 said:
The difference between the "android development" and the "original android development"
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just cocked the gun, putting it to my head now....:crying:
must stay away from Q&A, must stay away from Q&A, must stay....
Q&A are bad....
words from our esteemed leader Red5 aka Gold Leader aka Red5:
"Lets start things off right by first, searching the forums for a thread thats already been started and look for people that may have already encountered what you are experiencing and possibly have a fix for. If not, then you can post in that ALREADY EXISTING thread instead of starting a new thread.
When starting a new thread, it needs to go in the right section. If its a question, then it needs to go in the Q&A section. If its a generalized thread about something related to the HOX, then it goes in the General section.
NOTE: Questions should not be posted in the General section. The Development section is STRICTLY made for development. A new thread should not be started in the Development thread unless it is to introduce a new tool/guide/rom/kernel/radio... anything dev related. If you start a new thread in the Development section that is not development related, your thread will be deleted and you will be infracted. Let this be your final warning.
With all of this falling into place, the forums will be much cleaner and will function more smoothly. With that, the developers will be able to address issues more efficiently and will not feel overwhelmed. The last thing we want is for our developers to take time away from developing because of redundant posts asking "how do I do this?". We want them to continue on with development for our device, so lets help them out.
Do your part to take some time and search/read the forums because chances are, your question or issue has already been addressed. If this cant be done, then I will have to put on the gloves and start weeding out the trouble makers until this forum is back under control and operating smoothly. "
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Disclaimer: This post should be read in a "suggestive" tone, not a "complainy" tone.
This forum is called "Dream android development," but it seems like most of the posts are not really related to Android development, but rather Dream/Android hacking.
It might be more helpful for everyone to easily find what they are looking if a separate Dream forum were created called "Dream Hacking" and all these hacking-related posts moved there... and then this forum could be dedicated to development (OS/ROM/application development, coding, etc.).
There are several forums dedicated to Android Development (like anddev.org and the dev forum at talkandroid.com), but I like xda-developers for all my HTC-related development forum needs!
Thoughts?
Also, because I'm in the Dream Android Development forum I suppose I ought to post something about Android Development... does anyone have any suggestions or experience on implementing a Trial Period feature in an Android app? I could write a date to a file that marks the first time the user runs the app, and then check that date on every run to see if they are past their trial period end date. But what's to stop the user from uninstalling and reinstalling, to get a new install date and trial period?
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/08ce5ab110c56b29?pli=1 (Google Groups question on the subject, FYI)
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Disclaimer: This post should be read in a "suggestive" tone, not a "complainy" tone.
This forum is called "Dream android development," but it seems like most of the posts are not really related to Android development, but rather Dream/Android hacking.
It might be more helpful for everyone to easily find what they are looking if a separate Dream forum were created called "Dream Hacking" and all these hacking-related posts moved there... and then this forum could be dedicated to development (OS/ROM/application development, coding, etc.).
There are several forums dedicated to Android Development (like anddev.org and the dev forum at talkandroid.com), but I like xda-developers for all my HTC-related development forum needs!
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I definitely agree. Splitting development and hacking into two forums makes sense. Let's move all the rooting threads over to a new hacking forum and keep the discussion of application development here.
I believe XDA uses development as the PC word for hacking if you look at all of the other forums that do the same thing this thread does for other OS it is called development which really is what is done in this thread as no one is really hacking per say because it is all open source.
Also, who is going to go through 60 pages of threads and move the relevant ones to a new subforum?
Sounds like a good idea, but I have to agree with Plastriq.
If I was a mod, I definitely would not want to go through and re-organize a whole subforum and split it up, when it already worked well enough for the everyday user to be okay with it...
I'm pretty sure the moderators here feel somewhat the same.
I made the suggestion to the admins. I will send them over here. I agree we need another forum... however I think one forum should be for help and one for development/hacking while keeping the dream forum for news/info and the other forums for their intended purpose.
Maybe one could be for Android development or Android Modification and one could be for Android Application development.
I like the idea of splitting this section.
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Sounds like a good idea, but I have to agree with Plastriq.
If I was a mod, I definitely would not want to go through and re-organize a whole subforum and split it up, when it already worked well enough for the everyday user to be okay with it...
I'm pretty sure the moderators here feel somewhat the same.
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Okay, then how about renaming this thread to "Dream Android Modification" (or Hacking... and even though it's open source, most of it is still hacking... because Google doesn't explicitly allow rooting, flashing the ROM, etc. on non-Dev Phone 1's).
Then create a new forum called Android Development, and give it a higher priority/level... because there will be several Android devices in the near future besides the Dream, and we don't need an Android Development forum for each individual device.
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Okay, then how about renaming this thread to "Dream Android Modification" (or Hacking... and even though it's open source, most of it is still hacking... because Google doesn't explicitly allow rooting, flashing the ROM, etc. on non-Dev Phone 1's).
Then create a new forum called Android Development, and give it a higher priority/level... because there will be several Android devices in the near future besides the Dream, and we don't need an Android Development forum for each individual device.
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They're still left with the problem of moving all of the current development threads into the new forum... :/
You do have a point though, sooner or later there will be different Android devices. Cleaning up the forums, as daunting a task as it might be right now, will be better than waiting until later when it ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to happen and they're more overloaded.
As said I would have no problem cleaning them up and have asked in the staff forums.
If any of you would like to help once the forums are made just shoot me a PM with all the threads that should be moved and I will move them even faster.
I'll get straight to the point....
Despite stickys and forum announcements most of us are still finding ourselves becoming terribly, terribly vexed at the amount of [Q]'s cluttering the dev section...
Therefore, from now on, if you do not follow the rules outlined below, you will be infracted. Break them again and you may find yourself unable to post anything at all on any forum!!
[Q]Surely thats a bit harsh aint it??
[A]Not really....
We've tried to be nice about it but that clearly doesnt work.
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If you cannot read and abide by the simple rules in this sticky then I dont know how you're going to manage to hack your device without running into trouble.
The Dev section is NOT for asking questions.....
The Dev section is NOT for general topics..........
All threads posted MUST be prefixed with a description of the thread, [ROM] / [Kernel] etc etc.....*
*(Not planning on being particuarly strict on this. You guys (the devs), know how to title a thread.... just a pointer for new devs.)
Basically, unless your thread is to actually release something or discuss something of a very technical and n00b unfriendly nature, it doesnt belong here!
Pretty simple really.....
If you see something that shouldnt be here then PM me....
I will try to check in as reguarly as I can but I have a few sections to keep an eye on and believe it or not, a life outside XDA
Yes thats right, there is life outside XDA
I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
zelendel said:
I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
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The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
beerbaronstatic said:
The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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Sounds good, thanks for the reply!
Ok guys I am in the process of making Q&A threads in the Q&A section for each rom. Please use these before opening new threads. In an effort to clean up the forums I will be removing out dated threads and cleaning things up. I am hoping this will reduce the clutter in the threads and will help new people find answers easier.
Oh I am so confused. LOL. You are the boss zelendel and I don't want to cross you anymore. So now we have QnA for each ROM, can we not post anything anymore in the Dev's thread? Most everything posted in a Dev's thread is a question of some sort. Can you add this, why did you do this, can you fix this, is this happening to anybody else, and so on.....
What are we allowed to post there? I mean it is so different than almost every other section here on the forum. Cross posters from other sections will continue to post as they always have. I don't want to come across as a dumb butt as I am not. I happen to be an admin and mod on 8 other phone forums. But not developer forums which this is. But to find a ROM I have to look in 2 different sections and ask questions about it in a third. How is this cleaning anything up?
The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
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The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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I have to agree this does not seem to make much sense. Instead of keeping all the rom threads together they will now be dispersed among the 4 sub-forums?
Why is the date in not American? I just had to point that out.
Was this really a problem that needed fixing? While yes there were a lot of stupid questions at times, the open discussion about the ROM performance, tips, tweaks, and problems leads to many people who aren't in the development process sharing information with each other and the developers, and leads to everyone being able to help each other figure things out. Now it just seems like people are going to be confused as to where to talk about the ROM, as all the information will be fragmented now. It would make more sense to just rename the Dev section to something like "ROM Development And Discussion" and create a new section with limited access threads that would be like a ROM library and newsletter. That way, one could go there to get the latest downloads and information, and still be able to get help and discuss the ROM in the same place they always have. Of course, this is just my opinion, did you ever think about starting a discussion with everyone to get ideas and opinions on how things should be sorted?
And IMHO, phrases like "Iron Fist" and "only gonna ask once" aren't a quality examples of good people skills. Maybe something like, I dunno, asking someone to make changes to facilitate the move to a new format might work better.
Thank you this was a helpful post, im use to ROM with windows phone new to android
Now that we have one-click root and one-click bootloader tools for everyone, this forum has exploded, which is to be expected. However, because of this, the HOX XL forums are getting flooded with redundant threads being started and the same posts being posted.
Lets start things off right by first, searching the forums for a thread thats already been started and look for people that may have already encountered what you are experiencing and possibly have a fix for. If not, then you can post in that ALREADY EXISTING thread instead of starting a new thread.
When starting a new thread, it needs to go in the right section. If its a question, then it needs to go in the Q&A section. If its a generalized thread about something related to the HOX, then it goes in the General section.
NOTE: Questions should not be posted in the General section. The Development section is STRICTLY made for development. A new thread should not be started in the Development thread unless it is to introduce a new tool/guide/rom/kernel/radio... anything dev related. If you start a new thread in the Development section that is not development related, your thread will be deleted and you will be infracted. Let this be your final warning.
With all of this falling into place, the forums will be much cleaner and will function more smoothly. With that, the developers will be able to address issues more efficiently and will not feel overwhelmed. The last thing we want is for our developers to take time away from developing because of redundant posts asking "how do I do this?". We want them to continue on with development for our device, so lets help them out.
Do your part to take some time and search/read the forums because chances are, your question or issue has already been addressed. If this cant be done, then I will have to put on the gloves and start weeding out the trouble makers until this forum is back under control and operating smoothly.
Now that we have one-click root and one-click bootloader tools for everyone, this forum has exploded, which is to be expected. However, because of this, the HOX XL forums are getting flooded with redundant threads being started and the same posts being posted.
Lets start things off right by first, searching the forums for a thread thats already been started and look for people that may have already encountered what you are experiencing and possibly have a fix for. If not, then you can post in that ALREADY EXISTING thread instead of starting a new thread.
When starting a new thread, it needs to go in the right section. If its a question, then it needs to go in the Q&A section. If its a generalized thread about something related to the HOX, then it goes in the General section.
NOTE: Questions should not be posted in the General section. The Development section is STRICTLY made for development. A new thread should not be started in the Development thread unless it is to introduce a new tool/guide/rom/kernel/radio... anything dev related. If you start a new thread in the Development section that is not development related, your thread will be deleted and you will be infracted. Let this be your final warning.
With all of this falling into place, the forums will be much cleaner and will function more smoothly. With that, the developers will be able to address issues more efficiently and will not feel overwhelmed. The last thing we want is for our developers to take time away from developing because of redundant posts asking "how do I do this?". We want them to continue on with development for our device, so lets help them out.
Do your part to take some time and search/read the forums because chances are, your question or issue has already been addressed. If this cant be done, then I will have to put on the gloves and start weeding out the trouble makers until this forum is back under control and operating smoothly.
Now that we have one-click root and one-click bootloader tools for everyone, this forum has exploded, which is to be expected. However, because of this, the HOX XL forums are getting flooded with redundant threads being started and the same posts being posted.
Lets start things off right by first, searching the forums for a thread thats already been started and look for people that may have already encountered what you are experiencing and possibly have a fix for. If not, then you can post in that ALREADY EXISTING thread instead of starting a new thread.
When starting a new thread, it needs to go in the right section. If its a question, then it needs to go in the Q&A section. If its a generalized thread about something related to the HOX, then it goes in the General section.
NOTE: Questions should not be posted in the General section. The Development section is STRICTLY made for development. A new thread should not be started in the Development thread unless it is to introduce a new tool/guide/rom/kernel/radio... anything dev related. If you start a new thread in the Development section that is not development related, your thread will be deleted and you will be infracted. Let this be your final warning.
With all of this falling into place, the forums will be much cleaner and will function more smoothly. With that, the developers will be able to address issues more efficiently and will not feel overwhelmed. The last thing we want is for our developers to take time away from developing because of redundant posts asking "how do I do this?". We want them to continue on with development for our device, so lets help them out.
Do your part to take some time and search/read the forums because chances are, your question or issue has already been addressed. If this cant be done, then I will have to put on the gloves and start weeding out the trouble makers until this forum is back under control and operating smoothly.