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[Q] Titanium backup question

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I've been flashing roms a lot now that I've got the hang of it, but I think I was creating a problem for myself with titanium backup, which I think I've maybe now solved, but I'm not absolutely sure.
On the last couple of nighlies of CM that I've flashed I've been getting unfixable FC of the phone app (rom manager fix permissions didn't fix it and neither did wiping dalvik cache).
So I flashed ns-collab and I like it, but today I got the same FC problems and had to restore my nandroid to get the phone working (I was at work).
NS-collab is meant to be stable so I was starting to think that it's not the roms that are at fault but something I'm doing, and I had a feeling it was what I do with TB. So here is exactly what I do when I flash a new rom.
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I have TB set to "backup all user apps". That's it - no system data.
Before flashing the rom (even if it's just an update) I clear data, cache, and dalvik cache.
When I've got the new rom flashed I do not allow google backup to restore my stuff as I want it done with TB.
In TB restore I run "Restore all apps with data". When I do this I select the app+data checkbox in TB before clicking "Run the batch operation".
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So, I had a look at the apps that get restored when I run TB "Restore all apps with data", and I noticed there is quite a lot of android stuff in there like the dialler and lots of other services that are part of the android os and don't need restored with TB really.
I've just flashed the updated version of ns-collab and I removed all these android services from the TB restore before I ran it so I'll see if any problems crop up now.
But my question is, was I causing the phone to be unstable by allowing these android services to be restored by TB. Remember I did not select to restore system data, but I am wondering if system data was restored anyway because there were android apps in the list and I had the app+data option selected.
Hope the above isn't confusing and any advice will be appreciated.

Lot of information but I say you found your problem yourself.

I have not had issues in the past restoring: bookmarks, contacts/calls storage, SMS/MMS/APN Dialer storage, SMS/MMS PREFS etc.
I do think you are giving yourself a little extra work than needed. It is not necessary to do a data wipe before updating a ROM, wiping cache and dalvik cache should be sufficient and a lot of people don't even do that. Of course a good clean wipe every now and then is good and gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside like after you change the oil in your car
In general, I do not recommend a full batch restore like restore all apps and data. I find when restoring with TB it is a good time to clean up and only restore the apps your really want back on your phone. I also do a batch restore, de-select all and just go down the list and pick out the stuff I HAVE to have.

irishrally said:
I have not had issues in the past restoring: bookmarks, contacts/calls storage, SMS/MMS/APN Dialer storage, SMS/MMS PREFS etc.
I do think you are giving yourself a little extra work than needed. It is not necessary to do a data wipe before updating a ROM, wiping cache and dalvik cache should be sufficient and a lot of people don't even do that. Of course a good clean wipe every now and then is good and gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside like after you change the oil in your car
In general, I do not recommend a full batch restore like restore all apps and data. I find when restoring with TB it is a good time to clean up and only restore the apps your really want back on your phone. I also do a batch restore, de-select all and just go down the list and pick out the stuff I HAVE to have.
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I think you are right about me giving myself work. Because I'm still a noob I'm still over cautious I think.
Maybe I'll try doing it your way. Sounds sensible.
Anybody know definitively whether me restoring everything via all apps and data would have contributed to the FCs I have been getting?

buachaille said:
I think you are right about me giving myself work. Because I'm still a noob I'm still over cautious I think.
Maybe I'll try doing it your way. Sounds sensible.
Anybody know definitively whether me restoring everything via all apps and data would have contributed to the FCs I have been getting?
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Did you try fixing permissions? I only use the batch for Backup all user apps.
Backing up bookmarks.. I use BookmarkSB and SMS (i know theres a app for that) but i use GVoice so i dont need it

I've never had a problem restoring user apps with data. Instead of restoring all, choose restore missing user apps with data or something like that.
Although, I've had problems restoring SMS and certain data for system apps on the NS. Can't figure out why it doesn't work but whatever.
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I would suggest you install app2sd & move your application to the sd-card. Each time you flash a new rom just wipe the /cache, dalvik-cache and battery stats. This is all you would ever require.

Thanks for all the replies. Quite a few suggestions there which I will try out.
Didn't have any FC problems at all at work today, so I'm hoping my more cautious restore last night might have done the trick.

buachaille said:
Thanks for all the replies. Quite a few suggestions there which I will try out.
Didn't have any FC problems at all at work today, so I'm hoping my more cautious restore last night might have done the trick.
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Yeah FCs happen when you backup system apps / bookmarks etc. It could interfere

back up when switching between roms.

hi there guys,
I have some questions about how to make a total back-up of your rom, so you don't have to setup your apps and stuff like that, when you wanna try something new. Setting everything up when I wanna go back,is holding me back.
hope this is not a total repost, if it is just show me the old thread, cause I couldn't find it.

Errr... A classical Nandroid (whole Rom with Kernel, Apps and Settings) and/or Titanium Backup (Apps and Settings - possible to transfer data between different roms) should offer everything you need
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when I bake a backup with clockwork, I still need to set everything up, and install my apps again. What am I doing wrong?

Safidk said:
when I bake a backup with clockwork, I still need to set everything up, and install my apps again. What am I doing wrong?
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I always backup and restore from recovery menu of clockwork, this means when restoring everything is put back as it was.
Not sure why this isn't working for you
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I downloaded (and paid for) the newest version of clockwork manager from the marked. How do you do it, just from the app or do you boot in recovery? When you say full recovery does that include everything, so you don't have to setup anything?

Yes mate, boot into recovery, select "backup and restore", then backup - this will save a full copy of your system as it stands. When you backup from the recovery menu it will put everything back exactly as it was when you backed it up - ie all apps & data already setup
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and before I recover I need to do a complete wipe, right. System, catch and factory?

No.. you dont need to wipe before restrore.
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ok, tnen I'm gonna try again. Don't see why its not working for me. There's not a secieal setup I need to do? I haven't done anything else than installing the app ;-)

Confusion?
I believe that there is a couple of differing questions are being asked and answered here.
A Nandroind backup or full device backup (excluding RADIO) will enable you to restore your device back to the exact state that it was in when taken. All the phone partitions SYSTEM/DATA/BOOT/CACHE/etc are all backed up. Therefore restoring one of these backups will ensure that the ROM, kernel and data will be restored together and the phone will be operational.
A Titanium Backup backs up applications and setup data that enables you to easily restore your installed applications and configuration. After a factory reset or a re-install of the same ROM.
It can often be problematic to use a titanium backup after changing the version of the ROM you used or when moving from one ROM to a completely different one. In fact quite often ROM cooks recommend that you don't use a Titanium backup restore in the setup of their ROM.
That being said I still take both types of backups on my device. As titanium backups are useful for restoring individual applications to a previous state if they encounter a problem or corruption.
I believe that the Nandroid backup is the most useful recovery tool we have available to us and always take one, before flashing any new ROM or ZIP file, better to be safe than sorry.
Although I'd also recommend that all personal data ie calendar & contacts should be backed up by sync'ing to the cloud and never just kept locally on the device.

Backups before Flashing

Hello fellow ROM-flashers!
What do you do too keep your setup when flashing, what do you backup? settings, data, accounts and so on.
Is there any good way to backup and keep your settings, and so on... or do you have to redo all that after you flashed a new ROM?
Perhaps its recommended to do it all over again and again? ... I use Pandoriam 5.7 and are happy with it :good:
But then again 6.0 around the corner I sure I want to have the latest update. Dont we all?
I find myself redo my phone settings more then I actual use my phone

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a way to update it as you do with a stock ROM.. so you didnt had to wipe all when you go from 5.7 to 6.0 for example.
I guessing there are a lot of reasons why this isn't really a valid option... but would be great

Wrekk said:
Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a way to update it as you do with a stock ROM.. so you didnt had to wipe all when you go from 5.7 to 6.0 for example.
I guessing there are a lot of reasons why this isn't really a valid option... but would be great
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..TitaniumBackup....
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=titanium+backup
in free version no batch backup / restore...
backup system+app data
wipe system / data / cache / davlik cache in cwm - flash new rom... installl TB ... restore all.... finish

This should be in the Q and A forum
But yeah, buying titanium backup is the best purchase you'll ever make if you often flash ROMs with full wipes. The batch backup/restore process is brilliant, I have it also saving my backups to dropbox so if anything happens to my phone, I have a copy there too (4G is awesome for this).
I've also found the best launcher is Nova, using Titanium Backup to backup and restore Nova, I don't even have to setup my homescreen again (4 sized widgets, 4 folders, completely customised - you can see it in the homescreen thread in the Q and A forum), even the widgets are there after a full wipe which wasn't possible with other homescreen launchers. The only thing I setup fresh each time is my work exchange account.
By the way, you mostly DON'T have to wipe between ROM versions. I always do because that's how I like to do things (and due to the above I have the process sorted), but most poeple don't..

When updating ROM's - I do a Nandroid + SMS/Call log backup + Titanium backup of all user apps +data.
I the upgrade the ROM over exissting without any data/cache wipe. If I run into FC's after updating the ROM, I either restore my Nandroid or do a clean install of the new ROM and restore apps + settings from my Titanium backup.

I use online nandroid to backup full data. Works a treat and you can use your phone while backing up!

[Q] Updato CM10.1 R0.2 to CM10.1 R4

Hi, to update CM10.1 R0.2 to CM10.1 R4 it's raccomended to download rom, make full wype and install or i have the possibility to update without full wipe...like a easy way similar OTA?
Thanks guys!!!( sorry for my no perfect english)

if you don't want to wipe everything. make a nandroid backup. wipe cache and dalvik then install update. if something goes wrong you can always go back to your backup and then do another clean install

ContactFront said:
if you don't want to wipe everything. make a nandroid backup. wipe cache and dalvik then install update. if something goes wrong you can always go back to your backup and then do another clean install
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ok....thanks! i was thinking that, if i use ALL2SD to move all apps into SD and then i install new version with full wipe.
I think is the best way to do all quickly, in this way (i think) i will not have to expend much time after install new rom version.
You think it's a good way to operate?

Wonty said:
ok....thanks! i was thinking that, if i use ALL2SD to move all apps into SD and then i install new version with full wipe.
I think is the best way to do all quickly, in this way (i think) i will not have to expend much time after install new rom version.
You think it's a good way to operate?
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No, they would still have to be reinstalled, use titanium backup to backup your apps, it will reinstall then onto your new Rom easily, only restore user apps though system apps will cause problems
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No, they would still have to be reinstalled, use titanium backup to backup your apps, it will reinstall then onto your new Rom easily, only restore user apps though system apps will cause problems
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so if i have undestand, i make a backup with titanium and after install rom i have just to load backup and i will have again all apps installed rigth?
too make a backuo i have too create a "update.zip"? or i have to select another option?
Thanks!!

Wonty said:
so if i have undestand, i make a backup with titanium and after install rom i have just to load backup and i will have again all apps installed rigth?
too make a backuo i have too create a "update.zip"? or i have to select another option?
Thanks!!
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You can make An update zip with All your apps, it's actually easier to make an update zip with just titanium in it and then batch restore your apps and data afterwards
Behold the turtle. He makes progress only when he sticks his neck out.* ~James Conant

Restore Nandroid to New Device [TWRP] Fails

Had to replace my M8 and was hoping I could just nandroid from a prior backup on the previous (identical).
I created the folder structure, and TWRP will run the restore process, but it fails at system each time.
Any suggestions? Looks like I can restore data fine. Using CleanROM.
Thanks!
[Update] Flashing CleanROM over seems to retain most apps/settings as long as I don't wipe first (assume this is the same as wiping/flashing CleanROM then restoring data only).

Malaclypse5 said:
Had to replace my M8 and was hoping I could just nandroid from a prior backup on the previous (identical).
I created the folder structure, and TWRP will run the restore process, but it fails at system each time.
Any suggestions? Looks like I can restore data fine. Using CleanROM.
Thanks!
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I did it but it was a while ago. I'm pretty sure you need to be on the same version of TWRP that you created the Nandroid with.

Duckman_UF said:
I did it but it was a while ago. I'm pretty sure you need to be on the same version of TWRP that you created the Nandroid with.
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Thanks, good to know it's possible. I'm pretty sure I'm on the same version (when I installed recovery this time I just fastbooted the same image from the same adb directories I had setup last time).

Malaclypse5 said:
Thanks, good to know it's possible. I'm pretty sure I'm on the same version (when I installed recovery this time I just fastbooted the same image from the same adb directories I had setup last time).
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That will work!

Duckman_UF said:
That will work!
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I still fail at restoring system, but restoring data got me most of the way there (hopefully its stable! seems just fine so far).
Any suggestions I'd love to hear em (always thought this should be seamless but first time trying) and thanks for your feedback!

Malaclypse5 said:
I still fail at restoring system, but restoring data got me most of the way there (hopefully its stable! seems just fine so far).
Any suggestions I'd love to hear em (always thought this should be seamless but first time trying) and thanks for your feedback!
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I don't quite understand why you would want to restore system. Flashing the rom is just as easy and much cleaner. There may be a problem with device ID from the old phone - really have no idea.
But going from one device to another I would flash the rom, restore data - done. You should have an identical phone.

berndblb said:
I don't quite understand why you would want to restore system. Flashing the rom is just as easy and much cleaner. There may be a problem with device ID from the old phone - really have no idea.
But going from one device to another I would flash the rom, restore data - done. You should have an identical phone.
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Thanks! The only thing I lost by not restoring system are zip's/mods I flashed in twrp seperately, also Xposed framework settings (some didn't carry over). Thanks for the support!

OP, do you have Titanium Backup? It can extract from a Nandroid. Menu>Extract from Nandroid Backup. It takes a while, even if your backup isn't compressed, but it works just fine.
If you DON'T have Titanium, skip Google Play and just Google it. Buy it from his website. Costs you less, developer makes more money (Google doesn't get a cut) and you get a text file for a license. This is much easier than dealing with the license app. Just download the latest version whenever there's an update and stick it on your SD card/internal, and install it upon flashing a new ROM. Text license goes in the root of either. App will pick it up on first run. Real easy. And it can do a ton of other things, too.

I'm done it twice now on two separate Verizon refurbs to find the M8. It has always worked wonderfully for me. Saves a lot of time in setting back up. You do have to create a new TWRP folder though by doing in a quick backup on the new phone, the moving the backup into the new TWRP folder otherwise it won't see it. TWRP will create a new folder with a different set of numbers In your original TWRP folder. You just move it to that. I did it successfully with Viper one Rom twice now.