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Hello,
I am not here to bash Pocket Player as I do believe it is the best audio player out there at the moment. Functions such as the album art plugin, Upnp make it stand head over shoulders against the competition.
The only thing that really lets the player down for me is how sluggish it is. I have a HTC Touch overclocked to 247 and Pocket Player has a very noticible delay when browsing the menu and playlists also takes a couple of seconds to start a song. The Player itself is stored on my phones main memory, I have tried various ways to increase the speed and setup to no avail.
Now I also have HTC Audio Manager which came bundled with the phone which to be honest can't compete with the features of Pocket Player. However it runs fine underclocked at 120 and from a sonic point of view with decent headphones their is not much to seperate them but the thing I can't get over is how quick the menu works and how I can quickly navigate from one artist to the other and select a new song. I would say it is about 5 times quicker than Pocket Player which considering it is a free player does not make sense at all. Now that is with an 8GB MicroSD card crammed with MP3's and almost 60 artists. The menu is just more snappy and very responsive and as I am someone who likes to change songs half way through it gets me where I want so much quicker!
I only bought Pocket Player from 3.50 onwards and have moved up to the 3.51 and searching around the forum can see some members feel that the older versions are quicker despite the fact they may be buggy. Surely the speed can be increased in some way or a fix can be added.
The reality now is that I use HTC Audio manager 95% of the time as it's closer to the speed of a standalone MP3 player while Pocket Player looks as if it should be designed for a really high end phone with a super fast processor. I know this not to be the case so it must be the way the menu/design has been implemented.
Can anyone advise or give feedback please.
Here are my results for comparison:
Device: Hermes
OS: Official AT&T WM6
PocketPlayer: v3.51 (installed on sd card)
Options / Settings:
- Crossfade = 2.0 secs
- visualization = album art, small spectrum analyzer, speed normal
- NO DSP
- Interface Redraw Speed = FAST
- Decoder priority = EXTREME
- Use Fast Input Buffering
- Input Buffer Size = small (64KB)
- Audio Buffer = normal (1500 msec)
- Use Fast Eq (when available)
Results:
startup: 20 secs (it feels slow)
update library (3.49GB): 13 secs (no bad I think)
update album arts list: 21 secs (the first time)
Play: < 2 secs
You might want to play with the buffer settings and the decoder priority. Disable the automatic media scan at startup. Also, I have found that wma files take a LOT longer to load and play than mp3's, so try encoding everything in mp3 if possible. My mp3's are usually encoded at 192Kbps. Hope this helps.
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
P0ll0L0c0 said:
Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues
Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
krabicka3 said:
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.
Gigs said:
It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.
I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine
Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???
yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3
I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?
I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway
Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen
I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!
To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.
yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc
yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.
I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.
You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )
Long title, but that's what I'm looking for, but I've failed so far to find.
Basically, my G3 can record 120 FPS videos, but sometimes I don't want the whole clip to be in 120 FPS, or the other end doesn't have a slow motion video player to view the clip properly.
I want a video editor that allows me to select, say, 10 seconds of a 1 minute (120fps) clip, and play it in slow motion, but the rest at "normal speed". I've heard that the iphone default video editor already allows this, which enrages me more.
I've searched quite a lot and couldn't find anything like that, for Android. Does anyone knows?
Hello, everyone‼:laugh:
Thank you for reading this.
Almost any phone of today has a Slow-Motion / High-Framerate feature.
Well, i've got nothing agianst it but there's something about it that truly sucks.
Here's my old thread about this.
The Bad method:
You Record: 00H:00M:10s@240fps (Resolution doesn't matter)
You get a Video with 80 Seconds @ 30fps
...and Muted Audio ♫♪
So that â–ºx1.0 isn't realtime!
Well, the iPhones record in realtime, but they can only record for 20 Seconds (real time equilevant)
kryz70fr said:
With the iPhone 5S camera software, you can edit your video to active slowmotion or not on the timeline ... how to do this with the Note 3?
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Yes, you're right!
...but the Smartphones which use the sucking method of taking Slow-Motion Videos encode the output file being Slown Down.
The one and only advantage of this method, is for Media-Players which haven't got a Fast/Slow motion playback mode so that â–ºx1.0 makes the Slow Motion Effect Visible.
But i'd like to have â–ºx1.0 is Realtime-Equivalent!
So the Correct way in my opinion [IMO] is this:
If you Record 00:00:[email protected]
The Output File must be also 00:00:10 encoded at 204FPS and with ♪♫ Audio from ALL Microphones of the Phone!
Also some other Devices use the WRONG Method:
Lumix FƵ1000 - Great Camera but Slow Motion Feature uses WRONG WAY.
Canon IXUS 255 HS
But those Devices use a Good Method!
Sony RX100/3
Canon Powershot 510HS and 50HS
Sony FDR-AX100
Samsung NX1 (i think)
Example Videos ? :
Good
Only 720p BUT
XAVCS
And Audio
And Realtime
BAD
1080p but...
No XAVCS
Not Realtime
Muted Audio
Sucks
All Example Videos are taken by DKamera.dé!
Feel free posting your opinion! :laugh:
All the best Have a good and nice day ...
High Framerate Recording
Has anybody an Opinion about this?
There are many users who want Audio on Slow-Motion.
That, what i described there ↑↑↑, also covers this.
I'd be thankful for some feedback on my suggestion.
It's also nice, if every media player in the world has following features:
Speed Up / Slow Down
If adjust speed, enable/disable adjusting Sound Pitch
...so that 120FPS with output file encoded to 30FPS and muted sound is not there anymore
With â–ºx1.0 i mean Original Playback Speed of the Output File.
I'd always like to have 1.0x Playback Speed being Realtime-equivalent and Sound from every microphone that the device has (not just 2), independent from the Video's Framarate . (And no time limit until the Deices Battery/Storage runs out)
Example: Samsung's Galaxy Note 3 and Note 4 have 3 Microphones. But they do only use them all for the Sound-Memo and only 2 for video recording. They also record Slow-Motion the wrong way
Feel free giving your Feedback
Slow Motion - Redefined :·) (•:
I'd always like the Output file being always RealTime â–ºx1.0
That means, that i'd always like to get an Output File to be Real-Time-equivalent at x1.0 Playback Speed.
â–º1.0 to be Real Time Speed
And surely Audio from all Microphones of the device
(In FLAC Format, 1.6 Mbit/S )
(See Video04.Mp4✔)
Just like [email protected]
If i record 00:00:[email protected] then i'd also like to have an output file with 0:00:[email protected]FPS with sound.
...and not 00:00:[email protected]FPS without sound.
It feels like Recording REAL [email protected]FPS, i don't know how to explain.
Just like normal Video Recording but with a Higher Framerate - not additionally encoded to be slown down so that Original â–ºx1.0 Playback Speed is 0.25x Real Time Speed or 0.125x.
And also see this
Scroll down to see what i mean.
GSMArena Blog said:
The slow motion clips might look cool on your iPhone, but they look quite disappointing on a TV or a monitor. Which reminds us of our other disappointment about the feature – when we tried to play those iPhone 5s slo-mo videos on a PC we found that unlike all previous slow motion-capable smartphones, the iPhone 5s actually encodes the video at 120 fps and your computer will play it on 120fps unless you explicitly force it to slow the video four times in order to achieve the desired slow-motion effect. It would have been way more natural the iPhone 5s to process the frames and output a standard 30fps video as most of the phones do, which doesn’t require special players and tools to play properly.
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They've got another Opinion. But their described opinion is caused by the only advantage of the sucking way to take Slow-Motion Videos.
Here’s hoping Apple fixes this promptly with an update – it certainly can’t be that hard.
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I hope not so lol
Sensor output / Output File
The Output File should have the same framerate, as the Sensor is Capturing.
(Exceptionally HDR-Video. HDR Video needs a Higher Framerate/Sensor Speed but the Outputfile is still Realtime at â–ºx1.0 )
ï´¾From my Old Threadï´¿:
celderic said:
Suprised this hasn't been mentioned before, this will be very useful.
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Wow, really? Not mentioned befre?
But yes, it will be very useful :laugh:
Many Smartphone Manufacturers write in their User Manuals, that Slow Motion Recording with Audio {Sound} Recording is not possible.
So why don't manufacturers simply use the method for Slow Motion Videos that i Described?
Maybe it's just because of the „One and Only advantge of the Sucking way to take Slow Motion Videos:“
Not every player has an Adjustable Playback Speed--.....
The Galaxy K Ƶooom has also a Menu Option for PlayBack Speed for the Ouptut File.
But you only can use the 120FPS-Mode @ ¼ or ⅛ Speed for Output File, but i'd prefer it always to be x1.
I'd like 1x Playback Speed to be Real-Time Equilevant.
Accordingly, Every Player should have a Manually Settable Playback Speed, Sound Pinch, Reverse and Recording Feature.
VLC Media Player has ¾ it all - exceptionally the Reverse◄ Playback Feature.
If manufacturers fix this slow motion problem, have fun
Optical Flow / If you really want... / Video Converting,, Video Converters, Applicato
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/slopro-1000fps-slow-motion/id507232505?mt=8
This iOS-App uses Optical Flow.
I hope this app also uses ?▶► Real Slow Motion...
If you REALLY want the Output file to be not â–º1.o Realtime, then you can convert it after recording it into a second file.
There are Programs to do that.
Most Famous: AVS Video Converter
Most User-Friendly and Free: FreeMake Price: €0.00
Have Fun/NiceDay/ All the best ♥:laugh:
Correction :
Correctiõn:
The NX1 also uses the Wrong way.
http://www.dkamera.de/media/testberichte/samsung/nx1/6_beispielaufnahmen/video/video04.MP4
DKameraâ„¢
There's a very high Request on Slow Motion-Audio and being able to adjust the Playback Speed in the Media Player.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4/464112-slow-motion-video-sound.html
I also don't understand, why manufacturers use the Way for taking Slow Motion Videos that i mentioned, because the other frequent way sucks.
Isn't there an app, which can record slow-motion videos the way i mentioned?
However, the iPhones only use Mono-Audio for any kind of Video-Recording. Horrible.
Sony:
Their Cameras (RX100 and FDR-AX100E etc.) record slow Motion the Proper Way. Congratiulations!
But their Smartphones only allow editing before saving - once saved, you can't adjust any speeds anymore.
Canon:
Newer models like SX50 HS and 510 HS use the right way - even for 240 fps - no specific time limit!. Respect!
But the beautiful SX255 HS also sucks recording them - 120 and 240 fps. And there's a limit of 20 Seconds (in Real-Time.)
Conclusion:
There are many - also free Video-Editing Programs for adjust the speed and Sound-Pitch (Pitchbend) of vidéos - so there's (almost) no reason for the (i call it the sucking way) of recording slow motion videos. (Only reason is the missing Playback Speed Pitch in many Media Players. S5+ aka S5 LTE A had it - from x0.5 up to x1.5 Playback Speed - even for 4k-Videos up to 61.2 mBit/s Bitrate!)
And also - setting playback is a small additional step before enjoying the Motion but if this step is too much, you're lazy.
Concluson
I wanted to send (post) this message 20 Minutes before already - but i forgot to press the Sumbit-Button :laugh:
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Galaxy S6
Finally Samsung did it:
I'm rather disappointed from the S6 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3044369 )
but finally, the Galaxy S6 does the RIGHT WAY of Slow Motion Recording.
Thanks god!!!!!!
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Finally, in Slow motion mode the camera goes back up to 48Mbps but is now shooting 720p @ 120fps. Videos are actually recorded at 120fps, but you can edit them on the phone - trim beginning and end and choose between half, quarter and eighth playback speed. Here's how it looks when we drop to 30fps (playing at a quarter of real time speed).
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I hope the Slow Motion also includes Audio.
Confirmed:
The S6 records Slow Motion WITH Audio and Realtime - like iPhone and SX50 and 510 HS and also RX100m3 (aka RX100 III)
GSMAréna
I was reading a Review on GSMArena.
Then i saw this:
A note about formats - the iPhone records and saves 720p videos with 240fps framerate so you'll need to either edit them on the phone to create the slowdown effect or use a video editor on your computer, just copying them would only get you an extra smooth normal speed video. The Galaxy Alpha videos are slowed down to 30fps so the slow motion is easy to share. There's an option to slow the videos down to 15fps, which matches the iPhones 8x slowdown but the result isn't as smooth
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With the Galaxy S6, Samsung finally goes the Right way, because you can Export a Version of your Video, that is actually Edited and Costumized yourself, to share or so...
It's always recomennded to keep the Original Slow Motion Video File with the Audio and the Real-Time.
The Galaxy S6 has no MicroSD-Card, no Changable battery, etc........
But in Slow Motion, the Galaxy S6 is finally the right thing.
I mentioned the Galaxy S6-Disadvantages right here.
The FDR-AX100E also uses the right way.
Hannah Stern said:
I was reading a Review on GSMArena.
Then i saw this:
With the Galaxy S6, Samsung finally goes the Right way, because you can Export a Version of your Video, that is actually Edited and Costumized yourself, to share or so...
It's always recomennded to keep the Original Slow Motion Video File with the Audio and the Real-Time.
The Galaxy S6 has no MicroSD-Card, no Changable battery, etc........
But in Slow Motion, the Galaxy S6 is finally the right thing.
I mentioned the Galaxy S6-Disadvantages right here.
The FDR-AX100E also uses the right way.
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The Exporting Feature in the Video editor isn't even at the iPhones.
I wish, Samsung already did this with a good phone like the Note 3 or so...
Wow, look at that:
http://hispeedcams.com/fz1000-crippled-high-speed-mode/
Slo-Mo-Calculator
Asks me for Desired Playback Speed? Lol....
Hannah said:
"Playback-Framerate" should be like "Shooting Frame Rate"
and "Time shot in Seconds" should be exactly identical as "Clip Playback Time"
And also, all Microphones should be used, to record the video.
Understand, what i mean?
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For Galaxy S6 users (very rare):
Too bad, that so many older phones cam't set the playback speed in the mediaplayer, so if there's trouble, sharing your high-framerate-videos, you can edit the parts with the lower playback speed and export the shareable video, and keep the original real-time HFR Clip.
That's exactly, what i wish, every manufactueres do.
Simply make a Video Editor and Set Playback Speed, instead of recording the HFR Video the wrong "sucking" way.....
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Well, the iPhones record in realtime, but they can only record for 20 Seconds (real time equilevant)
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Oops, that was a Demo-Unit.....
LG G3, G4 and Oppo Find 7 also apply with my standards.
Doesn't the VLC beta have the slow down / speed up controls
VLC Media Player - Speed Controls
Kevingoot1 said:
Doesn't the VLC beta have the slow down / speed up controls
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Maybe it's just because of the New Design. In the Extras (or Tools) you can costumize the VLC-Design/User Interface or go to the Playback-Menu.
Try with this file:
http://www.dkamera.de/media/testber...100-iii/6_beispielaufnahmen/video/video05.MP4
This Video File does comply with the Standards.
Treat like normal
I just like this type of recording the videos at a high framerate, because it treats Video Recording with a high fromerate as normal video recording. Just with a higher framerate.
Many devices have the ability to treat 1080p with 60 fps as normal video recording.
I was wondering if there's a posibility to record in slow-mo with my K900...
Under Settings, Display, Blur-Free Motion, there is a checkbox for Movie Mode. What does it do? I generally prefer interpolated, motion blur free video at 60 Hz instead of 24 Hz; should I turn the checkbox on or off? I can't figure it out what it's meant to do, and it's not mentioned in the manual.
Ive left it on standard middle setting and viewed through kodi hd streams. Looks like 60fps. Just received this morning and will update you soon.
It's a 4k video processor. Videos look silky smooth via YouTube etc..I have mine set on high
Ok i loaded youtube to test all settings, example young dro we in da city is fast paced and slowed in music video, i like it on high motion blur settings and i disabled movie mode. Try it