Acer Iconia w700 Vs Surface/Surface Pro - Microsoft Surface

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So ...the end of october is coming soon with all new microsoft windows 8 tablets and in this point i'm thinking which Win8 tablet to buy.
at first i was sure i will get the microsoft surface RT but then i found the Acer Acer Iconia w700 and i was amazed ....this machine is rocking!!! it's comes with a stand and bluetooth keyboard and the prices will start in 799$ to 999$ with ivy bridge i5 and 128Gb HDD.
So this changed my mind because i want to have the full Win8 on my tablet and the Surface Pro will only release in the first 2013 quarter.
I will be glad to hear what do you think...
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I'd avoid Acer. Most of their products look good on paper but have serious build quality, software, or battery flaws.
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I would like to hear more about the W700 from people who have some knowledge about the tablet & have had any experience with previous Acer Windows tablets. I am hoping to sell my laptop & buy a Windows 8 tablet, so I really want to make an informed choice.

Another long term positive for the Surface will be accessories. Because manufacturers pump out model after model changing every spec on the machine, nobody really will invest in model specific accessories like the iPad and iPhone get. Because the Surface is being done by Microsoft itself, you'll probably see a lot of third party accessories and customizing for it. That's another major reason that I'm going with the Surface, even if HP, Dell, Asus, etc come out with something equivalent.

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Another long term positive for the Surface will be accessories. Because manufacturers pump out model after model changing every spec on the machine, nobody really will invest in model specific accessories like the iPad and iPhone get. Because the Surface is being done by Microsoft itself, you'll probably see a lot of third party accessories and customizing for it. That's another major reason that I'm going with the Surface, even if HP, Dell, Asus, etc come out with something equivalent.
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The best arguement for surface vs oems yet. still don't believe it will sell enough to justify any 3rd partys making accessories for it, though.
will Microsoft pump out some cool boom boxes, charging docks or protective shells? someone is going to have to build them.... hmmmm

The W700 has a cradle, not a dock, meaning that the keyboard is wirelessly detached. IMO, I think that the cradle looks hideous, and the detached keyboard is a dealbreaker for me. It's a shame.
I'm weighing up between the Surface Pro, Samsung Series 7, HP Envy X2 and ASUS Vivo TAB.
I've made a table in OneNote with all the tablets I deem interesting for myself, with known specs/dimensions/etc. There's missing information for some stuff, but here's a link anyway: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?page=view&resid=5304A0F127ADA4A1!6466&authkey=!APoZUZMhsksoqf0
Some notes: Colours and notes are subjective. Red text is a turnoff for me. Green text is very good. Orange is iffy. If there's a + next to storage, then there's a microSD slot. If there's a ++, there's a full SD slot. The number in brackets next to the pen type is confirmed sensitivity levels, but I imagine that most will be 1024 anyway. The note 'can close' means that the tablet is confirmed as being able to close just like a netbook if it is docked.
The bracketed number next to the i5 cores is the maximum turboboost speed. Intel's Clover Trail cores have a 0.1Ghz higher clock than the i5s, offer the same number of cores (including multithreading), offer much better battery life, have NFC (In all cases?), offer better graphics performance, but (AFAIK!) can't turboboost at all.
Right now, my decision really depends on how good the battery lives are. I guess we'll soon find out.

I have an acer w500 with win8 installed and it's fine.I've only had it for about a year (got around dec/jan). This is my first serious tab (wife has asus transformer) so I don't really have anything I can compare it to. I love being able to tether it to my phone and play my steam games for about an hour and still have decent (50-65%) battery left. Haven't had any problems so far.

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I'd avoid Acer. Most of their products look good on paper but have serious build quality, software, or battery flaws.
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Idk what issues you had with acer but I had a a500 and it was a great tab. No issues at with at all and good build quality
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i have been using acer for past 3 years, timeline notebook, W500 and a S3 right now, i will not buy another acer as my brand new S3 hard drive crashed in 2.5 months and again crashed in 3 more months later, now my S3 is crawling again, i have to change the HDD to SSD as soon as i get my Windows 8 copy, as Acre told me they will charge me $50 to create an image of my windows 7 as the SSD will be diffrent size then the HDD (so the back up is useless..
acer is cheap and good on paper but seems like its just cheap...
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thundr51 said:
I have an acer w500 with win8 installed and it's fine.I've only had it for about a year (got around dec/jan). This is my first serious tab (wife has asus transformer) so I don't really have anything I can compare it to. I love being able to tether it to my phone and play my steam games for about an hour and still have decent (50-65%) battery left. Haven't had any problems so far.
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i got the W500 when it came out and as it has SSD its working great, i have win8 preview on it and works perfectly, or should i say great... just thich and heavy... my son loves it...

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I dont know where to go, Want an Android Tablet to complement my Captivate!

I am thinking about selling my two netbooks(yeah i have two netbooks... ) and getting an android tablet to carry around with me instead of the netbook(takes a while to boot and isn't that awesome anymore).
I have no clue what are some good tablets
I'm sorry to post this here you can delete once someone tells me a few.
I know
The Galaxy Tab
The ViewSonic G Tablet
Any others worth looking at
Spec wise i'd go for the viewsonic tablet since its 10" and has a dual core cpu, other than that no clue.
Thats funny I just traded my tab to my brother for his nice little laptop. IMO these things are a fad that get boring real quick. I know, I needed one as soon as they dropped but, once you get by the new toy thing its just a netbook with no cover no cd/dvd, and a screen you are constantly worried about banging into things even while its in the case. I should have just bought a new laptop after my old one died. You close the lid when your done its pretty protected, rip cds and dvds, for the amount of interaction a laptop and tablet have anyway (transfering photos,music,etc) its just easier. A nice new laptop dual booting windows 7 and Ubuntu Ultimate Edition is twice as awesome. For your question I cant recommend what to get bit will say the galaxy is a little disappointing screen real estate sucks.
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Put Gentoo on your netbooks.
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Get a nook color and root it, decent $250 android tablet and great ereader functionality!
I've been fairly excited about Notion Ink's Adam. Small Indian start-up company, but very solid specs if it delivers what's promised. The Pixel Qi screen is a big plus for it.
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I've been fairly excited about Notion Ink's Adam. Small Indian start-up company, but very solid specs if it delivers what's promised. The Pixel Qi screen is a big plus for it.
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Well, apparently I am not allowed to post outside links yet, but just google notion ink scam, and you will realize that it may be a good time to temper your excitement with a good dose of reality, unfortunately.
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Get a nook color and root it, decent $250 android tablet and great ereader functionality!
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I want one just cause of the price. No way I'm paying 500+ for a tab. Plus I don't want one. Got an android phone for that. Only reason I see to get one is for magazines and movies. 250 ain't bad at all for that. It is on my christmas list. Sales lady showed me on hers she has tons of stuff that she called "not legit". I have about 60 gigs of comics that would look awesome it.
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Tablets are a fad... I bought iPad it sucked worse than an iphone. Then I tried the galaxy tab and it was basically like the only time I could use it I also had access to my laptop so I never used it.
I'm a system administrator and wanted a tablet for when I service IT requests. I ended up deciding on an off lease Dell Latitude XT for $400. 1.33 ghz ulv c2d, 12" led backlit multi touch display, 3 gb ram, 80 gb ssd. Just got it a few days ago and love it. Got it from www dot dfsdirect dot ca (Dell Financial Services)
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I'm a system administrator and wanted a tablet for when I service IT requests. I ended up deciding on an off lease Dell Latitude XT for $400. 1.33 ghz ulv c2d, 12" led backlit multi touch display, 3 gb ram, 80 gb ssd. Just got it a few days ago and love it. Got it from www dot dfsdirect dot ca (Dell Financial Services)
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What was the quality of the laptop? Was it in good shape? Thats a deal! Slap Windows 7 on it and it should actually perform pretty well.
I would wait until Honeycomb tablets appear.

question about buying a tablet

Hi peeps been looking around at the android tablets on the market and wondering if i should take the plunge?.Thought i would ask here as you guys probably have more experiance than most.Can you recomend a couple?, i'm not looking to spend a fortune just want something that covers most bases and doesnt struggle to run the usual suspects.HDMI out would be a plus but any ideas you can offer or just give me ideas on what not to buy.Any helps good, thanx in advance.
I have a smoldering interest in a tablet as well but I will continue to hold off as my Lenovo X61t and Windows Phone compliment each other pretty well and I don't "need" one.
However, I have taken note of the Archos' that were just released. The general feeling is that they feel cheap in build quality but the price and performance is right there. This is engadgets take on the two tablets they have.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/24/archos-70-and-101-internet-tablet-review/
I have used the Samsung Galaxy S and it is a nice device. Gotta be honest though, nothing seems to be "more complete than the ipad", just in terms of docks, jailbreaking, best apps, etc.
There are so many 'knock offs' in this category, let us know what you find!
I agree in the upset front, it's a great piece of kit but I refuse to spend that kind if money. Have found plenty of cheap ones, and I don't mind the price tag but most are just a bit gutless lol. But yeah likewise bring the info if you find something good.
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Back again, on the subject off cheapo knock off tablets have you seen the a-ok pad lol now don't laugh. I could be persuaded to gamble on something as (shall we say rough) if it ticked the right boxes. Anybody heard if them? Any horror stories?
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Buying a new tablet
I'm in the market for a tablet, and have taken my sweet time for the last 3 months researching and looking for the best one to buy. I've done my fair share of research and now i'm asking you: Should I buy the ASUS Transformer Prime with the dock, od should i wait for samsung/htc/moto/lenovo/acer... next-gen tablet? My fear is you see, that I'll buy The Prime, and that it won't be supported by some software develeopers, and left out in the cold with some apps, or not on par with the next-gen 2012 tablets. I want the best hardware specs, possible future windows 8 compatibility, preferably tegra device, 3g isn't a must, nor GPS but preferred. I don't mind waiting for a few more months since this would be my first tablet, wich i don't really need. NO IOS/IPad talk please, android tablet only (but like i said, with a possibility of win8 in the future). Any reasonable advice is more than welcome, and thank you all very much in advance!
IIRC Asus Prime will begin getting ICS/4.0 Jan 12th.
With that said, I would definitely play around with one before buying. Numerous reported issues that can't really be fixed through OTA's or software. (GPS, WIFI, light bleed, glass/screen loose from rest of tab).
Typical Asus if you ask me, crapshoot on quality.
Also depends on what you want in a tab. If you don't really want to play around/mod/customize then I think the Ipad 2 or hold out a couple of months for an Ipad 3 would be your best bet.
If you have to have an Android you have one of two options. Wait for more quad core tabs to be released, or start looking at what's available now.
Samsung 7.0 Plus is probably the best out for 7"ers.
For the 10"ers it's a toss up right now. Galaxy Tab 10.1 has good support, decent performance, light, easy to hold, good screen, great speakers (for a tab). It's cons to me are the Tegra 2 isn't up to snuff with Honeycomb OS.
The HP Touchpad is a great buy for the OS and specs, and can also be ported to Android (Still need to play with one)
Asus Transformer TF101 is also a good buy but again a crapshoot on quality but can be had for a good price.
The new Moto Xyboards are getting good reviews but they are overpriced for what they are, are only sold through VZW and were "technically" outdated before they were even released. Also locked bootloaders are never fun if flashing kernels are your thing.
Right now I'm looking at getting another tab so I guess you could say I'm in the same boat as you. I have an OG Galaxy Tab 7 on the way b/c I got it cheaper than cheap and just wanna play with it.
Considering picking up an 8" Xyboard also.
ETA: I probably won't pick up a Xyboard however until they come down in price or a WiFi only version is offered.
The SGT 7.7 also sounds promising. Decisions decisions.
First of all, thank you for the fast and torough reply... And yes, sweet sweet decisions
I forgot to say that I'm in the market for a 10" minimum tablet, don't want smthng smaller 'cause i allready have an SGSII so I'm covered for mobility.
As for ASUS's build quality, like I said I never owned a tablet so I definately will try out/play with one for a couple of hours before purchasing, and watch out for the screen bleed on an ips display. But currently most of my pc's componens (2xmobo, 2xgraphic cards, and a lappy) are ASUS made and i must say i'm more than satisfied with them, and as I recall, when I was buying my SGSII there was talk about screen burn-in, overheating and wifi problems too, but I haven't had a single one with my device. Besides that, I don't really need GPS or 3g in a tablet so it's not a dealbreaker with me on The Prime.
The problem is: I wouldn't buy any other tablet now existing in the market, mostly because of the Tegra3 chipset The Prime has, so if I'm paying a hi-end device (around 700$) i want the latest and fastest performer in the ring. And yes, in my book that is android only, as i find apple's devices a bit limiting sometimes (without any fanboyism, I come from a long line of iphones before my android). The things I'm worried hardware-wise are: the amount and speed of Prime's RAM (1gb od ddr2), possible wifi signal problems, screen bleed, and that it's topheavy when docked (a minor thing really). I love that it has a full USB 2.0 port, so you don't need a jack/ adapter of some kind (e.g. like on a SGSII microUSB to full USB). Not really worried about the one speaker layout eather, altough i was a bit dissapointed since the TF101 had a stereo layout, but still, not a dealbreaker (hey, it's still a tablet)...
Now you may laugh at this seeing your sig, but in my mobile history (25+ phones) the worst were accually motorolas (v3 being the worst of the lot, but than again A925 was more than excellent) I'm not so fond of HP either, last month i sold my DV6 3020em, (that's the i7 touchscreen version for Europe since i'm european), and i can say it was utter rubbish, overheating, shoddy build quality, squeaky, noisy fans, you name it... That's why I sold it, but it had a touchscreen which was more than handy, and that's why i want a tablet, I just might look a bit more into the HP touchpad after all.
Acer is great quality for it's price, really great. But I only had Acer's laptops, and the Iconia tablet is as ugly as a bullfrog from chernobyl, so I wouldn't want one.
Tf101 is ugly too by my standards, too big as well, but the looks aren't so important if it was an excellent performer, which none of the now available androids are compared to The Prime (at least not on honeycomb).
I played with samsung 8.9 a few days ago and I can report is't a great little device, thin, capable, satisfying all in all, but i'd like a bigger screen, and a real keyboard and it's not a tegra device (I play a lot of games so i'd like the tegra zone, as chainfire's plugins don't support all tegra tweaked games)
Now I do like to install a new ROM every few weeks on my SGSII but i srsly don't think that will be the case on a tablet (except Win 8, when it comes out).
So i guess the question remains: should i wait for Samsung's next gen 10.1 answer or just go with the prime now
P.S. sorry for my poor english
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First of all, thank you for the fast and torough reply... And yes, sweet sweet decisions
I forgot to say that I'm in the market for a 10" minimum tablet, don't want smthng smaller 'cause i allready have an SGSII so I'm covered for mobility.
As for ASUS's build quality, like i said i never owned a tablet so I definately will try out/play with one for a couple of hours before purchasing, and watch out for the screen bleed on an ips display. But currently most of my pc's componens (2xmobo, 2xgraphic cards, and a lappy) are ASUS made and i must say i'm more than satisfied with them, and as I recall, when I was buying my SGSII there was talk about screen burn-in, overheating and wifi problems too, but I haven't had a single one with my device. Besides that, I don't really need GPS or 3g in a tablet so it's not a dealbreaker with me on The Prime.
The problem is: I wouldn't buy any other tablet now existing in the market, mostly because of the Tegra3 chipset The Prime has, so if I'm paying a hi-end device (around 700$) i want the latest and fastest performer in the ring. And yes, in my book that is android only, as i find apple's devices a bit limiting sometimes (without any fanboyism, I come from a long line of iphones before my android). The only thing I'm worried hardware-wise is the amount and speed of Prime's RAM (1gb od ddr2), possible wifi signal problems, screen bleed, and that it's topheavy when docked (a minor thing really). I love that it has a full USB 2.0 port, so you don't need a jack/ adapter of some kind (e.g. like on a SGSII microUSB to full USB). Not really worried about the one speaker layout eather, altough i was a bit dissapointed since the TF101 had a stereo layout, but still, not a dealbreaker (hey, it's still a tablet)...
So i guess the question remains: should i wait for Samsung's next gen 10.1 answer or just go with the prime now
P.S. sorry for my poor english
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Don't jump the gun on the Prime until stock has settled in, right now retailers are price gouging due to low availability. The Prime should be $500 for the 32GB, $600 for the 64GB, not $650-700 for the 32GB.
I have a Transformer and an Iconia Tab A100, and I can tell you from first hand experience that the build quality isn't nearly as bad as the above poster is making it out to be. I actually like the finish on both the original Transformer and the Iconia series a lot, and the Prime seems to be a winner also. Another thing to consider for both ASUS and Acer is that they keep their Android releases relatively 'vanilla' except for a few bloatware-type apps of their own, unlike Samsung and HTC, who just can't help themselves but smear TouchWiz and Sense over everything they produce.
The only real reported issue with the Prime appears to be the GPS accuracy, but at least to me, it's a non-issue, since I disable GPS and bluetooth on everything.
The Windows 8 bit is yet to be seen, porting a device to another OS is something you can hope, but never hold your breath for. We've yet to see how Windows 8 distribution is going to work and remember that even if you do install Windows 8 down the road, it doesn't mean that you'll be able to run all windows-based programs, since mobile devices use ARM CPUs, and everything written for windows right now is made for x86 CPUs, so it will be up to each third party to rewrite their programs for compatibility.
Although I would never write out a company with pockets as deep as microsoft, they have proven time and time again that they are unable to compete in the mobile segment, so I don't see Windows 8 with as much hope and awe as many others do. (Especially since Ice Cream Sandwich is the first Android iteration we can really call "excellent")
TL;DR - If you can find a Prime for a decent price, then it's an amazing device to be had for a very reasonable price. If you plan on waiting, then checking out the upcoming Iconia A700 isn't a bad idea either if the dock isn't that important to you.
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Don't jump the gun on the Prime until stock has settled in, right now retailers are price gouging due to low availability. The Prime should be $500 for the 32GB, $600 for the 64GB, not $650-700 for the 32GB.
I have a Transformer and an Iconia Tab A100, and I can tell you from first hand experience that the build quality isn't nearly as bad as the above poster is making it out to be. I actually like the finish on both the original Transformer and the Iconia series a lot, and the Prime seems to be a winner also. Another thing to consider for both ASUS and Acer is that they keep their Android releases relatively 'vanilla' except for a few bloatware-type apps of their own, unlike Samsung and HTC, who just can't help themselves but smear TouchWiz and Sense over everything they produce.
The only real reported issue with the Prime appears to be the GPS accuracy, but at least to me, it's a non-issue, since I disable GPS and bluetooth on everything.
The Windows 8 bit is yet to be seen, porting a device to another OS is something you can hope, but never hold your breath for. We've yet to see how Windows 8 distribution is going to work and remember that even if you do install Windows 8 down the road, it doesn't mean that you'll be able to run all windows-based programs, since mobile devices use ARM CPUs, and everything written for windows right now is made for x86 CPUs, so it will be up to each third party to rewrite their programs for compatibility.
Although I would never write out a company with pockets as deep as microsoft, they have proven time and time again that they are unable to compete in the mobile segment, so I don't see Windows 8 with as much hope and awe as many others do. (Especially since Ice Cream Sandwich is the first Android iteration we can really call "excellent")
TL;DR - If you can find a Prime for a decent price, then it's an amazing device to be had for a very reasonable price. If you plan on waiting, then checking out the upcoming Iconia A700 isn't a bad idea either if the dock isn't that important to you.
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Tnx for the reply, and I have to say I think you misunderstood me. I don't think I said anything bad about acer's or asus's build quality just HP's (and only the perticular model of the DV6 I had), just that they're a bit on the ugly side, but that's totally a subjective stand, and irrelevant to anybody else.
As far as Prime's price goes, it should be available in Croatia, about 2hrs drive from my home in 10days for less than 700$ with the dock for the 32gig version, which is not a bad pricetag considering where I live, and I'm ready to give that kind of money for it. The dock is accually something i like about the Transformer, and it would probbably be a dead heat between TF101 just because of the dock) and the Sammy 10.1 if it weren't for the prime.
GPS, like I said, I don't mind. The SGSII has a great GPS reciever which i hardly ever use, maybe 6 times since i got it in july.
As far as ARM windows goes, I know what to expect from it , nothing special, but it would be nice to have that option when it's available
So you are happy with the TF101 and the Iconia? But would you recommend buying now the Prime if I'm happy with the price? I should mention I probbably won't buy it before ICS, and I'll try to get a hold of a stock ICS one when it's out after Jan. 12. because I want to make sure i missed the first version shipment
I believe you about Motorola. Until my Droid X I have ALWAYS hated Motorola. I never had a phone that worked right after some wear and tear and always had problems. From before smartphones thru the Droid 1, 2, and 3. (Went through multiples of those). I'm also a Samsung and HTC fan.
I've never had a problem with Asus computer components myself, w/ that said, there are quite a few complaints when it comes to the TF201 on quality. With that said, you, as I'm sure you do, have to take into account the dissatisfied ones are always going to moan and groan much more and louder than the happy customer.
I guess I just wish it was like cars when it comes to Tablets and would love for them to let me take the exact tab I'm looking to buy for a test drive. (Not leave the store but just open the box and get a good look at it and test everything to make sure I'm getting what my hard earned money is paying for).
I really want a TF201, but I'm going to wait til a few more Tegra 3 tabs come out. I really think Motorola would have hit a homerun if they would have put a quad core in their Xyboards and kept the price what they're charging now.
The three tabs I'm really torn between right now are the Xyboard 8.2, TF201, and Samsung 7.0 Plus. But man we are so close to seeing quad core as the new standard for tabs so the other part of me just wants to sit it out and wait.
So true what you said about the sitting and waiting for the quad core as the new standard, but on the other hand, HOW BAD DO WE WANT ONE!?!
Personally for me it's no competition between the Prime and other tablets, the Prime is just on another planet.
This morning the store answered my email saying that the Prime will be available mid january (in about 10 days) and said that maybe they could reserve one for me because of the small supply, but said the price may be different depending on the usd/euro stocks, but under 700$ for the 32gig version with dock...
Still I'm not planning on buying one before a test drive like you said (mostly to check for screen bleed). And yes, I took into account the moaners which is true like you said again...
I think I wathched every single review/comparison of the tablet on youtube, and read at least 10 reviews online, and it's all mostly positive.
I'll update as soon as i get my hands on a test one, hopefully in about 10 days.

So who's actually buying? (Poll)

Now that pricing has been revealed. Who's still going to buy? I was on board, but I might wait for the pro since those prices are close to the full Win8 pc's I saw at Best Buy over the weekend.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/16/3271243/microsoft-surface-tablet-pricing-availability
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Now that pricing has been revealed. Who's still going to buy? I was on board, but I might wait for the pro since those prices are close to the full Win8 pc's I saw at Best Buy over the weekend.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/16/3271243/microsoft-surface-tablet-pricing-availability
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Y u no start a poll using the poll function?
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Y u no start a poll using the poll function?
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sorry. had to think of some good polling questions. its up now! lol
This is too high considering the tablets out and the AMD powered tablets coming.
No buy.
About a year and half ago I bout my wife a (comparable) Asus Transformer for the same price....1.5 YEARS AGO. Currently I am using an Acer w500. My keyboard has 2 extra usb ports, an ethernet port, serves as a cover and (fwiw) "Clicks". cost: $0.
I was really looking forward to buying a surface pro, but if these prices are indicative of the pricing for the pro, I'll have to pass. Nevermind the fact that the only real "feature" that we know about these tablets is the keyboard. With RT I pretty much have not much else to go on, at least with pro, I can still use my existing software.
All that said, I know why they did this - to keep the OEMs happy. They're trying to get those consumers who want a premium product at any price and I'm just not in that camp. I have my Acer w500 with win 8 so I'm not in any rush. Maybe in a few years...
I'll just wait for the Pro. Buying the RT now and the Pro later is going to by some serious $$$$. I'd rather just make one purchase. Most of the stuff I would do on the RT I can do on my phone especially when the Win 8 Phones come out. I like that the Pro has a 1080 screen, displayport out, and USB 3.0. It will take the place of my laptop and it can function as a tablet. Win-Win.
That said, I'd still like to have an RT for longer battery life and for using as a reader at home. I'm sure there will be some people with buyers remorse or will just sell the RT when the Pro comes out. I'll pick up a refurb or used one by then.
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No buy.
About a year and half ago I bout my wife a (comparable) Asus Transformer for the same price....1.5 YEARS AGO. Currently I am using an Acer w500. My keyboard has 2 extra usb ports, an ethernet port, serves as a cover and (fwiw) "Clicks". cost: $0.
I was really looking forward to buying a surface pro, but if these prices are indicative of the pricing for the pro, I'll have to pass. Nevermind the fact that the only real "feature" that we know about these tablets is the keyboard. With RT I pretty much have not much else to go on, at least with pro, I can still use my existing software.
All that said, I know why they did this - to keep the OEMs happy. They're trying to get those consumers who want a premium product at any price and I'm just not in that camp. I have my Acer w500 with win 8 so I'm not in any rush. Maybe in a few years...
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I guess we have to wait on reviews. I was really really looking forward to purchasing one. I guess $499 is competitive to the Asus Transformer Pad Infinity and the Ipad 3. But those two ecosystems have tons of apps and proven. SurfaceRT is windows w/o being able to install Windows apps. It'll be a real hard sell. My heart was broken over those prices. lol
However, I believe Microsoft knows what their doing and maybe the reviews will show its worth that pricey tag. I went to bestbuy.com and read the reviews for the Asus Infinity and their all pretty positive and it's priced at $499. However, its Android, and I can bring ALL of my droid apps to that tablet. I'm so lost. lol
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I'll just wait for the Pro. Buying the RT now and the Pro later is going to by some serious $$$$. I'd rather just make one purchase. Most of the stuff I would do on the RT I can do on my phone especially when the Win 8 Phones come out. I like that the Pro has a 1080 screen, displayport out, and USB 3.0. It will take the place of my laptop and it can function as a tablet. Win-Win.
That said, I'd still like to have an RT for longer battery life and for using as a reader at home. I'm sure there will be some people with buyers remorse or will just sell the RT when the Pro comes out. I'll pick up a refurb or used one by then.
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What if you already have a very nice, powerful, long battery life Windows laptop? Would the Pro still be worth the wait? I'm torn between the RT and the Pro. I have two very high end desktops I built, a powerful Windows laptop and not sure if I should break down and bust out $599 for the Surface RT or wait and sell my laptop and get the pro.
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What if you already have a very nice, powerful, long battery life Windows laptop? Would the Pro still be worth the wait? I'm torn between the RT and the Pro. I have two very high end desktops I built, a powerful Windows laptop and not sure if I should break down and bust out $599 for the Surface RT or wait and sell my laptop and get the pro.
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I'm not in that camp. My personal laptop is an older 17" HP that I gave to my daughter anyway. I have a work laptop that I use but it's a Dell 17" laptop. I'm looking for something smaller. I'm done with 17" laptops and 2 hour battery lifes and that's on a good day.
Unfortunately, I need legacy program support, specifically Microsoft Access. MS Publisher support in RT would be nice too. If MS ever offered that as part of the RT package (even for more money) I'd be all over the RT.
If you already have a powerful, long lasting laptop, I personally would just get the RT since it wouldn't make sense to duplicate the legacy functions anyway. Unless you don't want to lug around two machines (Laptop and Surface RT).
A lot of decisions. Plus, I'd really like to try out that new keyboard before committing to it.
My original plan was to get a slim laptop like the Asus UX31A and the Surface, but I think that's overkill. I see less and less reason to have a full laptop anymore since it's not really what I'm using. I don't use CD/DVD drives anymore, and the new smaller hi-res screens work good for me (I have great eyesight). Might as well just combine them together, and when MS announced the Pro version, it pretty much answered all my needs.
How is it possible that the warranty is just 1 year instead of 2? Even on the european pages of Germany and UK is limited to 1 year...it is actually too weird...
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I'm not in that camp. My personal laptop is an older 17" HP that I gave to my daughter anyway. I have a work laptop that I use but it's a Dell 17" laptop. I'm looking for something smaller. I'm done with 17" laptops and 2 hour battery lifes and that's on a good day.
Unfortunately, I need legacy program support, specifically Microsoft Access. MS Publisher support in RT would be nice too. If MS ever offered that as part of the RT package (even for more money) I'd be all over the RT.
If you already have a powerful, long lasting laptop, I personally would just get the RT since it wouldn't make sense to duplicate the legacy functions anyway. Unless you don't want to lug around two machines (Laptop and Surface RT).
A lot of decisions. Plus, I'd really like to try out that new keyboard before committing to it.
My original plan was to get a slim laptop like the Asus UX31A and the Surface, but I think that's overkill. I see less and less reason to have a full laptop anymore since it's not really what I'm using. I don't use CD/DVD drives anymore, and the new smaller hi-res screens work good for me (I have great eyesight). Might as well just combine them together, and when MS announced the Pro version, it pretty much answered all my needs.
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Thanks for the advice!
Uk Prices http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msuk/en_GB/pdp/productID.257929400
Cheaper to get in in US even with sales tax.
I just got a shock! After reading the specs below it seems there is no NFC!!! I am so disappointed. I want a tablet that is future proof. Seems the Asus Vivo Tab is the best right now.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msuk/en_GB/pdp/productID.257929400#tab5
Very sad to see such a high price. Will fail. I won't be buying now, even the pro.
I'll wait for Google Nexus 10.1 with 2560×1600 pixel screen 299ppi versus the new iPad’s 264ppi. What's the point of these ****ty screen? 1300 x 728 on a 10 inch?
Oh and I am sure there will be ports of the RT version to other arm tabs...
Seems too high, I will wait for the Pro prices.
$299 Awesome. $399 Awesome. $499 with the touch cover? Awesome.
$599 for a bottom of the line with a touch cover? DOA.
I was spreading the word of these Win8 RT tablets like they were the gospel but if price gouging is going to be the M.O. then I guess there's no reason to slow down the iPad app development.
Balls in your court, MS. Try not to zune this up :crying:
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$299 Awesome. $399 Awesome. $499 with the touch cover? Awesome.
$599 for a bottom of the line with a touch cover? DOA.
I was spreading the word of these Win8 RT tablets like they were the gospel but if price gouging is going to be the M.O. then I guess there's no reason to slow down the iPad app development.
Balls in your court, MS. Try not to zune this up :crying:
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I don't think it's DOA, but I agree that being just $100 cheaper would have opened up even more sales. $499 with the touch cover would really be the sweet spot for a lot of people. However, I wouldn't be surprised if MS drops the price $100 after the holidays to keep interest in the Surface throughout 2013. I think it would be a smart move by MS to cash in on the early adopters (like Nokia is cashing in on me for the Lumia 920). Around March to May next year, MS should drop the price and watch them fly even more.
Since MS is only selling it online and through their stores, they are pretty much selling to those who already knew about the Surface and wanted it anyway. Once you start seeing the Surface at Best Buy and other retailers is when MS will need to adjust the price point.
I am not going to pay 599 USD for a tablet that is just running WinRT.. For a few hundred bucks more, I can get a tablet running full-fledged Windows 8 and I would rather buy that. While there may or may not be many apps for the Metro-style interface, I can get pretty much all applications I want for the standard Windows which can also handle the Metro-apps anyways.
So,too bad for you Microsoft.
the blogs and comments I've read say the same thing: Microsoft misinterpreted interest in the surface and prices it badly. they expected lines around the corner like an apple event, and are going to find out its not happening for rt.
hopefully they didn't poison the well for the future x86 tablets.... cause when users lay this much money for a device with windows all over it, they expect it to run windows programs. all of them.
Probably not. You won't see lines around the corner for this or other Win8 tablets. However, over time, I think it will eventually surpass the iPad and definitely Android. As more and more Win8 (both RT and Pro versions) machines are sold, the creation of apps is going to skyrocket as people try to cash in on being first. Some iPad and Android developers may initially balk at RT but when they see their competitors getting more and more of the lion's share, it will become a "me too" attitude as they jump in. Despite the naysayers and gloom predictions, I would bet that three years from now when MS is ready to release Win9, the RT ecosystem will be supporting 100,000's of apps. More importantly, it will begin to support big name apps. Imagine a Photoshop RT version from Adobe. Why concede the photo market to some other third player? Granted, it will take time, but I believe it will happen.
The real good news is that Win8 Phone uses pretty much the same OS and system so once those apps get created, it will be very easy to port them to the phone. Basically, you create one app and you get up to four target markets: desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone. No other provider or OS will have this advantage.
But, I might be wrong...
I am fuming at the price! Americans think its bad check out the UK price! I am a huge MS fanboi I admit that openly I own a Zune I have had 3 Windows Phones I have xbox my wife has windows phone I use windows on desktop and laptop and at work including server AD Exchange etc.
I love it all but I will not and cannot accept this price! MS is really taking the p**s now! This was my gripe with Apple and now MS has joined them. Looks like its time to build bridges with Android.

Surface Pro vs anything else..

I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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Id suggest the Lenovo yoga....if you have the moolah that is...
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Id suggest the Lenovo yoga....if you have the moolah that is...
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But the yoga isn't detachable from its keyboard.. Moolah?
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I discarded the idea of Core i-series based tablets mainly because of the battery life and fans. I like the Atom based tablets more because they can be lighter, go several hours longer on a charge, and still offer reasonable performance.
Also I wanted a tablet that could dock into a keyboard for a more traditional laptop like form factor. I don't like the Surface tablets with their kickstands and keyboard covers. I want something I could rest in my lap and type on if wanted.
I ended up getting the Samsung Ativ Smart PC 500T. Mostly because it was the only thing available (other than the Acer 500W). I'm satisfied with the Atom performance in the 500T. Things take longer to load, but usually works well after it has. Office 2010 works great. Chrome works okay (IE works better). I can even run some low end desktop games from Steam like Torchlight.
It seems like most of the Windows 8 Atom tablets seem to have various glitches, probably mostly due to early drivers. I've mostly been reading the Samsung and HP forums, the HP Envy X2 is something I somewhat considered exchanging my Samsung for. But it sounds like the keyboard on the HP isn't that good, and there are issues with the trackpad not working after waking the tablet up (have to redock to get it working). My issues with the Samsung is the screen doesn't tilt back far enough, the back is slippery. And software issues, sometimes wifi and Bluetooth to play together nicely, and it has a problem sleeping when in the keyboard dock and closed.
The software glitches will be resolved in time. The hardware issues I can probably live with. So I'm guessing I'll probably stick with my Samsung. Still think it's a better choice than the considerably more expensive Surface Pro or other Core i-series tablets.
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I discarded the idea of Core i-series based tablets mainly because of the battery life and fans. I like the Atom based tablets more because they can be lighter, go several hours longer on a charge, and still offer reasonable performance.
Also I wanted a tablet that could dock into a keyboard for a more traditional laptop like form factor. I don't like the Surface tablets with their kickstands and keyboard covers. I want something I could rest in my lap and type on if wanted.
I ended up getting the Samsung Ativ Smart PC 500T. Mostly because it was the only thing available (other than the Acer 500W). I'm satisfied with the Atom performance in the 500T. Things take longer to load, but usually works well after it has. Office 2010 works great. Chrome works okay (IE works better). I can even run some low end desktop games from Steam like Torchlight.
It seems like most of the Windows 8 Atom tablets seem to have various glitches, probably mostly due to early drivers. I've mostly been reading the Samsung and HP forums, the HP Envy X2 is something I somewhat considered exchanging my Samsung for. But it sounds like the keyboard on the HP isn't that good, and there are issues with the trackpad not working after waking the tablet up (have to redock to get it working). My issues with the Samsung is the screen doesn't tilt back far enough, the back is slippery. And software issues, sometimes wifi and Bluetooth to play together nicely, and it has a problem sleeping when in the keyboard dock and closed.
The software glitches will be resolved in time. The hardware issues I can probably live with. So I'm guessing I'll probably stick with my Samsung. Still think it's a better choice than the considerably more expensive Surface Pro or other Core i-series tablets.
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I have had this for a while and most of the software issues are resolvable via 3rd party apps - particularly the on screen keyboard not appearing in text boxes (I use Comfort Keys - $30 but worth every penny). You may want to visit tweaks.com and bleepingcomputer.com for some good info
And I agree - it's well built - I had a Surface RT - crap, buggy software and the covers were cheap garbage.
Just get rid of the Samsung bloatware and you'll be fine
I've had my runs with Samsung, but can't say I'll jump for joy when I think about it.. But thanks alot for your input, appreciate it.. The envy is something to consider..
I dont need the brute force the i series gives, also fans is a turnoff on a tablet.
Any thoughts on Asus vivotab?
Or this? http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/transformerBook.htm
Asus is throwing out a whole series.. Looking good.
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buljo said:
I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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I'm using the Toshiba T925u. It is rather pricey ($1100), but it is i5 and makes about 5 hours on a charge (more if you tweak the settings). It is a bit large at 12.5 inch screen. The keyboard slides out from under the screen.
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I'm using the Toshiba T925u. It is rather pricey ($1100), but it is i5 and makes about 5 hours on a charge (more if you tweak the settings). It is a bit large at 12.5 inch screen. The keyboard slides out from under the screen.
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I just got my Acer W510 - and I'm loving it so far!
The fact that its cheap can be felt at some point, but given the price of it I certainly can live with it.
The battery life is really great, even without the dock.
Its worth to consider ?
//M
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I just got my Acer W510 - and I'm loving it so far!
The fact that its cheap can be felt at some point, but given the price of it I certainly can live with it.
The battery life is really great, even without the dock.
Its worth to consider ?
//M
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thanks, will look into it..
decisions decisions...
The vivotab has a better screen than the ativ, which I have and love. 600 nits is nuts, the ativ is around 400 which most tablets are. The ativ is way cheaper. Arounf 750 for tab and keyboard. 819 for just the tablet on the vivo 810. Dock is another 200. As mentioned, the best thing to do with the ativ as soon as you get it is reinstall win 8 and erase everything then do all the updates. Great stuff.
From an unlocked Note 2. Hmm...... Can you hear me Verizon, out on Uranus?
I DO Not reccomend the surface for a few reasons:
1. The trackpad is awful. Truly. And the keyboard isn't very good either. And the onscreen keyboard is garbage for productivity. In addition to all these facts, I find that the 'form factor' of getting stuff done, is sitting upright, with the keyboard in front of you and the tablet standing up. This is all well and good, but you can find the same form factor in the much better zenbook touch which costs about the same price as the surface(if you include the surface keyboard).
2. The zenbook touch not only has a full sized, better keyboard, and a better trackpad, the touch screen is 13 inches and is HD.
3. Developers have no incentive to make apps for windows 8. Apps they have been developing for w7 work on w8 so there's no reason to switch over to the abysmally selling OS. This means using desktop apps, which aren't amazing for touch. This is where you use a trackpad, and again, the one on the surface is awful.
All in all the zenbook touch offers a WAY better package in the same price range.
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I DO Not reccomend the surface for a few reasons:
1. The trackpad is awful. Truly. And the keyboard isn't very good either. And the onscreen keyboard is garbage for productivity. In addition to all these facts, I find that the 'form factor' of getting stuff done, is sitting upright, with the keyboard in front of you and the tablet standing up. This is all well and good, but you can find the same form factor in the much better zenbook touch which costs about the same price as the surface(if you include the surface keyboard).
2. The zenbook touch not only has a full sized, better keyboard, and a better trackpad, the touch screen is 13 inches and is HD.
3. Developers have no incentive to make apps for windows 8. Apps they have been developing for w7 work on w8 so there's no reason to switch over to the abysmally selling OS. This means using desktop apps, which aren't amazing for touch. This is where you use a trackpad, and again, the one on the surface is awful.
All in all the zenbook touch offers a WAY better package in the same price range.
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i agree with all your points. but its a bit like comparing oranges and apples where the surface is a tablet and the zenbook is a laptop.
I am changing out my android tablets for a windows pro machine, as said in first post i need the PC functions.. but want to keep the tablet factor.. possibility to take of the screen and use it as a tablet.
as a first glance the vivo series looks like a winner for me.
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i agree with all your points. but its a bit like comparing oranges and apples where the surface is a tablet and the zenbook is a laptop.
I am changing out my android tablets for a windows pro machine, as said in first post i need the PC functions.. but want to keep the tablet factor.. possibility to take of the screen and use it as a tablet.
as a first glance the vivo series looks like a winner for me.
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The vivo series runs RT. not pro.
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The vivo series runs RT. not pro.
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Actually the vivo 600 is rt. The vivitab 810 has the atom processor and runs 8 pro.
From an unlocked Note 2. Hmm...... Can you hear me Verizon, out on Uranus?
yeps, as he said.
but what is the difference between vivotab and vivotab smart? what makes it so "smart" other than screensize?
http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/vivoTab.htm
the transformer book looks awesome, but i5/i7 with fans, and it seems to be steeply priced.. but 13" screen would have been nice.
acer w510 is essentially exactly what you're looking for...
It feels bit cheap but I actually like it - and the white trim/silver back looks very clean.
It's 10.1" (better than 11.6" IMO) - its lightweight, and it has the docking attachment.
I bought my 32gb version for $399 at microcenter. You add the dock from acer for $150 and for near $580 with tax, there is nothing that is touching it for a full windows 8 tablet that is portable, great battery life. Windows 8 RT is a joke compared to full windows 8.
There are some bugs but man its hard to beat right now.
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acer w510 is essentially exactly what you're looking for...
It feels bit cheap but I actually like it - and the white trim/silver back looks very clean.
It's 10.1" (better than 11.6" IMO) - its lightweight, and it has the docking attachment.
I bought my 32gb version for $399 at microcenter. You add the dock from acer for $150 and for near $580 with tax, there is nothing that is touching it for a full windows 8 tablet that is portable, great battery life. Windows 8 RT is a joke compared to full windows 8.
There are some bugs but man its hard to beat right now.
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Yeah, a buddy got one and I have say it is pretty awesome. Pound for pound best deal for the money. I guess in comparing the two it would come down to screen size which is more of a preference thing than anything. You wouldn't think going from an 11.6 to a 10.1 would make such a difference in portability, but it really does.
From an unlocked Note 2. Hmm...... Can you hear me Verizon, out on Uranus?
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I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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Have you considered and ipad and bluetooth keyboard ?
Maybe a note2 and bt keyboard ?
The only reasons I ask are current application a hardware support for these devices. They're both more mature in software and hardware segments right now. A few professionals I know that tried big tablets like the surface have returned then and gone back to laptops that fold flat like heavy tablets, or ipads. Their reasons were app development not mature enough and the size of the surface opposed to its not-quite-a-laptop functionality pushed them back to convertable laptops. Just something to keep in mind.
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Have you considered and ipad and bluetooth keyboard ?
Maybe a note2 and bt keyboard ?
The only reasons I ask are current application a hardware support for these devices. They're both more mature in software and hardware segments right now. A few professionals I know that tried big tablets like the surface have returned then and gone back to laptops that fold flat like heavy tablets, or ipads. Their reasons were app development not mature enough and the size of the surface opposed to its not-quite-a-laptop functionality pushed them back to convertable laptops. Just something to keep in mind.
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Are you sure they did run a full win 8 and not just the winRT? With the full win 8 you can basically install whatever you like - which renders the missing app situation an invalid point.
Having an iPad with a Bluetooth keyboard myself I'm shocked that professionals actually use that as a working tool!? I've tried it myself but when working with a sleightly locked down it infrastructure you're pretty much reduced to Citrix or remote desktop which renders the missing app situation an invalid point...
Once more I'd vote for the w510 - its cheap, reasonly well build and really kicks ass for lightweight tasks
//M
Microsoft Surface Pro, Samsung ATIV Smart PC Pro, or the newly announced Lenovo Thinkpad Helix for me at this point.
All have a digitizer and pen, which I'm looking for in my tab. I'll be watching the Helix close as the 256GB SSD + i7 + extra juice are attractive to me, but the Surface Pro with a 10.6" screen w/ an i5 seems a bit more portable.
The Samsung allows for taking the keyboard off and running in pure tablet mode as well, but what do you do with the keyboard when you're not at home / at your desk? Seems clunky to me. Hense the attractiveness of the "Rip and Flip" concept of the Helix =)
We'll see how price and performance plays with this in the coming weeks / months though...

[Q] Best laptop replacing tablets

Hi Everyone,
I wanted to gather people's thoughts on the best tablets currently out, or due out in the coming 3 months, that would be viable laptop replacing options.
I am currently in this situation, where I want to purchase a tablet and sell my Macbook 13". I travel a lot and a tablet would be very useful because of it's size, portability and the fact that my Macbook is from 2008, so an update is about due I think!
Currently I use my laptop for :
- Browsing the internet
- Occasional listening to music (Use my phone more though)
- Occasional word editing (however, not that often to be honest)
- Transferring photo's from my camera (Sony NEX-6), viewing photo's and occasionally doing minor editing of said photo's
So as you can see, my usage is fairly limited these days. A good screen is of importance to be because of the photo's, as well as watching movies whilst travelling.
Operating system is not a massive deal, I've used all three. I got bored of IOS after I had the iPhone 3GS for a while, then moved to Android (currently using). I've also played around with Windows 8. All have there own advantages and disadvantages.
I have to say, even though most things I say about Apple these days is negative (I feel they've stalled quite a bit in the past 2 years), the Ipad probably still has the best look and feel, but I'm not sure if I would grow bored again with it's tired and outdated looking operating system? I love the photo options and journal options though!
Android is more customisable, I still find new ways to keep myself entertained on my HTC Sensation, thanks to amazing developers, but would a tablet just be an enlarged phone for me then? Would this become unappealing?
Windows 8 looks lovely, it's a fresh faced interface, something new and shiny! It's great fun to play with, but the current Windows RT version is quite limited I'm not sure it's worth gamling on any of the current lineup of Windows Tablets, perhaps not until they get to there second generation at least.
So what would everyone top choice be for a laptop replacing tablet? Personally, I would want something within the same budget as the iPad 4 or less. But, would love to see opinions for any value!
Mike
I don't have experience with the Windows tablets, but the Transformer Infinity - TF700, is a great choice in the Android department. The keyboard dock allows for easy document-editing when you want it, but without being stuck with it.
The older versions of the Transformer line can still offer good performance - not sure what your budget is. You can use bluetooth keyboards with other tablets, and that's an idea, but the integration on the Transformer line is great. Since I built a desktop, I have largely stopped using my laptop and have replaced it with one of the Transformer tablets. With Flash and Drive and office software it does everything I needed my laptop for now that I have a desktop for the video games that require a bit of oomph (and I'm enjoying the gaming on the tablet as well - something I never really got into on my phone).
Not sure how your camera works for transferring photos, but the TF series docks have full-size USB ports and a full-size SD card reader (as well as the microSD slot in the tablet). I have hooked an external hard-drive up to it and all went well.
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I don't have experience with the Windows tablets, but the Transformer Infinity - TF700, is a great choice in the Android department. The keyboard dock allows for easy document-editing when you want it, but without being stuck with it.
The older versions of the Transformer line can still offer good performance - not sure what your budget is. You can use bluetooth keyboards with other tablets, and that's an idea, but the integration on the Transformer line is great. Since I built a desktop, I have largely stopped using my laptop and have replaced it with one of the Transformer tablets. With Flash and Drive and office software it does everything I needed my laptop for now that I have a desktop for the video games that require a bit of oomph (and I'm enjoying the gaming on the tablet as well - something I never really got into on my phone).
Not sure how your camera works for transferring photos, but the TF series docks have full-size USB ports and a full-size SD card reader (as well as the microSD slot in the tablet). I have hooked an external hard-drive up to it and all went well.
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I've done quite a bit of research on the TF700, I even came close to committing, however I've just read about too many issues with the I/O and internal memory performance that has put me right off. It seems to be a problem for almost every owner I've encountered. I love the look and style of the tablet, also the connectivity and battery are brilliant. But I want something with excellent performance and I think this is outdated already in that regard. The fact that you have to void your warranty to root it and then install a ROM to make it smooth is a worry.
I was hoping Asus came up with an update to it at CES, but it seems this won't be happening.
The TF700 and the Nexus 10 are the two I consistently hear people say are the best and the fastest right now. I'm not sure about the N10 as laptop replacement, it seems like for that or a tablet without a dock that you'd have to do so many work-arounds that you might look into an ultrabook instead. It would try my patience, but I suppose it's personal preference what you're willing to do and put up with.
I'd recommend you take a look at the Surface RT tablet. It is not anything like as limited as you might think and it would meet pretty much all your requirements. I have one and for most purposes I have stopped carrying a full-on laptop and just take the Surface.
There is also the Pro coming out this month - it would be over your budget but actually is a genuine laptop replacement. There was a review of it on the Verge yesterday.
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I'd recommend you take a look at the Surface RT tablet. It is not anything like as limited as you might think and it would meet pretty much all your requirements. I have one and for most purposes I have stopped carrying a full-on laptop and just take the Surface.
There is also the Pro coming out this month - it would be over your budget but actually is a genuine laptop replacement. There was a review of it on the Verge yesterday.
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I wish I could have a play with one in a store... Hopefully soon. What is the screen like? This is an important aspect for me. It doesn't need to be as good as the Nexus 10 for example, but a HD screen would be a minimum I think for me.
Maybe the thinkpad tablet 2 could be a good choice for you. It has win8 pro, is beautifull and light. So no RT limits, no IOS boaringnes, real USB port, HDMI port and a good display.
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olarf said:
Maybe the thinkpad tablet 2 could be a good choice for you. It has win8 pro, is beautifull and light. So no RT limits, no IOS boaringnes, real USB port, HDMI port and a good display.
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Looks quite nice. Concerned about the battery life being reported on most of the Windows tablets though? As i'll be travelling quite a bit, this could present an issue?
Hi guys, is the Lumia series of Nokia can be an option to replace a laptop computer?
Anyone else have any thoughts?
I recommend Nexus 10 is way to go especially when your priority is photos. Ipad could be the best choice, but if you want to enjoy quality with reasonable price, Nexus 10 won't disappoint you.
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Hi guys, is the Lumia series of Nokia can be an option to replace a laptop computer?
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I recommend Nexus 10 is way to go especially when your priority is photos. Ipad could be the best choice, but if you want to enjoy quality with reasonable price, Nexus 10 won't disappoint you.
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This is probably my top choice right now, although I'm in the UK, so have to wait until they are back in stock to even consider it... I don't have to rush out and get something luckily, I can probably hold off until around May / June before I will have to buy. So it might be worth me waiting as there are bound to be some new releases by then. Hopefully a few Tegra 4 devices start showing themselves by then.
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Looks quite nice. Concerned about the battery life being reported on most of the Windows tablets though? As i'll be travelling quite a bit, this could present an issue?
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So far all tests talking about 10 hours of serious use. I get one tomorrow so soon i can tell you if 10h is a fact.
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So far all tests talking about 10 hours of serious use. I get one tomorrow so soon i can tell you if 10h is a fact.
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I'd really appreciate that, thanks! Is it the Surface RT you've bought?
No the thinkpad tablet2 with win8 pro. So far it is great but still loading so i have no idea about Akku durance. Soon i have
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I have a Surface RT, and it gets the job done pretty well. I know some people still complain about a "lack of apps" on the Windows RT platform, but it hasn't been an issue for me - IE10 as a browser and Office (just Word, PPT, Excel, and OneNote, of course) comprise most of my use.
I get between 7.5 and 9 hours of battery life out of the device, depending on what I'm doing. On average, it'll get me through about a day and a half of classes - that's three hours each day, plus about 1.5 hours of additional use outside of that on each day (until the battery runs out after usually 8 or so hours). It charges really fast, though - I don't often have to charge it for much more than an hour to nearly fill the battery. A full recharge from a dead batter will probably take you 2 hours, though.
About the only thing I miss on it is the ability to run some programming interfaces (Python, Java, etc.), but with that fancy new jailbreak tool this may be changing - they've already ported most of Python 2.7, for example. I'd heartily recommend the Surface, given both its advantages and shortcomings.
MacBook replacement?
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I'd really appreciate that, thanks! Is it the Surface RT you've bought?
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Have you purchased a replacement for the MacBook? Would love to get your thoughts.
Best computing options for general use
Mikeparakh said:
Hi Everyone,
I wanted to gather people's thoughts on the best tablets currently out, or due out in the coming 3 months, that would be viable laptop replacing options.
I am currently in this situation, where I want to purchase a tablet and sell my Macbook 13". I travel a lot and a tablet would be very useful because of it's size, portability and the fact that my Macbook is from 2008, so an update is about due I think!
Currently I use my laptop for :
- Browsing the internet
- Occasional listening to music (Use my phone more though)
- Occasional word editing (however, not that often to be honest)
- Transferring photo's from my camera (Sony NEX-6), viewing photo's and occasionally doing minor editing of said photo's
So as you can see, my usage is fairly limited these days. A good screen is of importance to be because of the photo's, as well as watching movies whilst travelling.
Operating system is not a massive deal, I've used all three. I got bored of IOS after I had the iPhone 3GS for a while, then moved to Android (currently using). I've also played around with Windows 8. All have there own advantages and disadvantages.
I have to say, even though most things I say about Apple these days is negative (I feel they've stalled quite a bit in the past 2 years), the Ipad probably still has the best look and feel, but I'm not sure if I would grow bored again with it's tired and outdated looking operating system? I love the photo options and journal options though!
Android is more customisable, I still find new ways to keep myself entertained on my HTC Sensation, thanks to amazing developers, but would a tablet just be an enlarged phone for me then? Would this become unappealing?
Windows 8 looks lovely, it's a fresh faced interface, something new and shiny! It's great fun to play with, but the current Windows RT version is quite limited I'm not sure it's worth gamling on any of the current lineup of Windows Tablets, perhaps not until they get to there second generation at least.
So what would everyone top choice be for a laptop replacing tablet? Personally, I would want something within the same budget as the iPad 4 or less. But, would love to see opinions for any value!
Mike
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For general use like web surfing , email, youtube and netflix watching with a little gaming to pass the time away I would say a tablet ( your choice ) . If its for all that plus working in office regularly along with photo editing and such I would say a laptop . You can get them from basic like an i5 or i7 or even a Celeron or pentium based ones to almost as powerful as a desktop ( Razer , Alienware , MSI, are all gaming laptops and workstations like thinkpads and such and are very powerful ) If you will be doing anything harder like working in CAD or developing or 4k video editing and exporting although many laptops can do these you would be better suited using a desktop , (the CPU , ram , mother board components will be more robust and able to keep cool longer under load than in a laptop). Tablets like the iPad or android tablets are great to pass the time away , are capable to play games or watch videos on and for many people is all the computer they need . I only used my iPad for 3 years ( before that I ran several windows pcs , 4 Macs, and a linux desktop running all the programs I used in my computer repair business ) until I got my MacBook but honestly with what I do on the laptop now the iPad did just as well . I am retired now so my time on the laptop is nothing like what I had done for many years before ( since 1994).

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