I am on the fence as to wait for the X10, wait for CDMA version of nexus one (if one comes out), or just get the Droid.
I know HTC phones have a great hacking community here, and the Droid, due to its popularity will most likely have one for awhile as well.
I really like the X10 phone alot, but I really want to be able to root it and install more modern Andoid OS versions on it because the one thing I fear is being 6months to 1yr behind due to SE's slow updating process with such a customized UI.
Thanks in advance for any information regarding this.
Cero
Welcome to forums
We dedicate only to HTC devices.
I don´t think this will happen and has been asked many times before
Not here on Xda, but maybe some other far away galaxy
www.se-nse.net has had a reliable sony modding community for many years maybe you will find more info there
T-Mobile sneaks "rootkit" into G2 phones - reinstalls locked-down OS after root
Not that there haven't been preventative measures before, but it looks like the G2 will be "unrootable" to start. Might be something to consider before jumping in with the G2. Very sad as this phone looks like a winner in all other ways.
Here is the original article on BoingBoing.
Hmmm... I'd be interested to know where the original OS ROM is stored, as that would take up a lot of space...
If it's true, then we next find how it "decides" it's rooted, and look at fooling that. If not, look at changing the image to be flashed with a custom ROM or dummy one.
Still failing that, perhaps looking into what calls this chip, and if boot process could be made to skip this.
Something seems strange about this, though I've not researched it properly yet... anyone seen it reported on other sources yet?
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anyone seen it reported on other sources yet?
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http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
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http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
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Thanks, that links back to XDA, so I had a quick read of the latest... I was considering buying the G2/whatever it's called, but I have now changed my mind.
Yes folks, I just made a purchasing decision based on some silly little security chip, and I encourage others to do likewise. I am sure the security will be broken on it, at which point (if it's a permanent root/custom flash) I would re-consider my position, but as it stands, I refuse to buy it.
I have no idea who decided this was needed, but I certainly will not be buying from them in future. If it's T-Mobile, I will switch network (despite the fact they're a good network in the UK), if HTC I will look to other manufacturers.
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It's not that much different to what Motorola is doing with the Droid X, Droid 2 and Milestone, where if it detects any meddling it will brick the phone.
But in the long term, it's OUR phones, we can do whatever we please. Trust me it will be bypassed, if a lock can be made by a human, it can be BROKEN by a human. Look at the Desire for example.
They should do what they did with the N1, if the user unlocks the bootloader, and meddles with it until they bugger the phone, and they try sending it back for warranty, it's the users fault.
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Not that there haven't been preventative measures before, but it looks like the G2 will be "unrootable" to start. Might be something to consider before jumping in with the G2. Very sad as this phone looks like a winner in all other ways.
Here is the original article on BoingBoing.
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Explain to me how write protection == rootkit. In fact, it's quite the opposite - a rootkit (of sorts) allows us to exploit our way into a rootshell and install su to /system/bin/. This is nothing more than clever write-protection in the mmc.
And as usual, HTC is late on delivering the kernel source so we can really see what's up...
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Yes folks, I just made a purchasing decision based on some silly little security chip, and I encourage others to do likewise. I am sure the security will be broken on it, at which point (if it's a permanent root/custom flash) I would re-consider my position, but as it stands, I refuse to buy it.
I have no idea who decided this was needed, but I certainly will not be buying from them in future. If it's T-Mobile, I will switch network (despite the fact they're a good network in the UK), if HTC I will look to other manufacturers.
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Why would HTC look to other carriers?
I ranted about this back in the WinMo days, but XDA is essentially picking up the slack for manufacturer/carrier actions. You said so yourself; you're not considering the G2 for a purchase anymore....until XDA or another dev forum finds a way around the security measure. And you will not buy from them...so long as HTC doesn't work with the carrier anymore, but if sales remain the same, they'll have no reason to stop.
So manufacturers/carriers don't need to change the way they implement security measures, they just need to keep making desirable phones and so long as others pick up the slack, they'll be able to capture the sales of the userbase that likes rooting their phones. This is going to continue being the case -- Android manufacturers will create phones and users will buy the phones on the promise that forums like XDA will make it better.
For real change to occur, sales have to be greatly affected.
Looks like the anti-root movement is beginning to snowball into a full fledged avalanche. I currently have a Droid X and it seems its locked bootloader has cause many devs to give up. Sure we have root and a few roms and themes to get rid of bloatware, but it isn't as great as a full unlock, not to mention lack of a true SBF for OTA 2.2 users.
HTC was going to be my next choice after I got bored with my X in about a year or so (more like 6 months). But it seems now that they've developed this tech for the G2, I'm sure all other carriers will want it on all future HTC devices. As soon a Samsung steps it up and creates their own locked bootloader, we'll all be SOL. What's left? Dell? Sony Ericsson?
Seems like all carriers will only be selling phones with locked bootloaders. I thought HTC was on our side, but the G2 is proof of the contrary. We need a manufacturer that embraces devs. With the recent bootloader unlocking failures seen with the Droid X and the difficulty seen with the Milestone, does anyone here think the development community can overcome the bootloader challenge?
HTC response to G2 complaint
emailed HTC to voice my displeasure. rather than ignoring my email, they felt compelled to reply with some low level, non-commital, and utterly moronic dribble especially in light of t-mobile already having released its lame-o statement. i also find it rather questionable that google had any part in this. too bad that HTC is following the Motorola model of duping folks into thinking they bought a device when all that money actually just buys time-limited, pre-defined functionality.
Without root Android wont be the same, looks like I'll be going back to Winders if this is the direction they are going to take it. They are taking all the fun out of it.
First off, my apologies if this isn't the right place. I didn't see a "general hardware" forum and by my reckoning, this was the best place for such a thread.
Anyways, I'm looking to upgrade into a smart phone. I'm not a texter, and I don't want or need a data plan so I'm not looking for a particularly high end phone. So I'm looking at sub $200 Android phones. So far I've come up with either the Xperia X8 or Huawei U1850. Both older, and therefore much cheaper. The U1850 can be had for $140, the X8 for $40 more.
I've been searching on the forums and looking around but to be honest, there are simply too many threads and too much info for me to all compile together.
Hardware wise the X8 comes off much better, with a superior screen in size and res and a beefier processor, so I'm liking that. But my main questions are about third software support. I know the X8 is EOL and Sony Ericsson doesn't update it anymore, but community support seems to be strong and thriving. The U1850 seems to have a large community behind it as well. Basically, which phone can have more stuff unlocked and which one would still have people working on it in another year or so.
From what I've gathered, both phones can be overclocked, the U1850 can be made to work with multitouch while X8 development is stalled on that matter. 802.11n can be enabled on the X8 while the U1850 has it enabled stock.
Thanks guys.
Hi,
I am at point where I would be buying a new mobile phone. I don't have budget problem, but I am looking from the point where I'll be able to use my phone as development device.
I have shortlisted some options:
Nexus S: This seems to me an idle device for development. It also has NFC. You have early access to the android flavors. But with dual core processor phone in the market, I not sure if this a good choice.
Samsung Galaxy s 2: The phone is expensive, but has many feature(except for NFC ). Do you think this can be a good device considering future versions of android might be out by November-December(speculating)
Wait for another device: Wait for a device. But then everything can't be obtained in a single device. How long will I wait?
HTC Sensation: Not much info about it.
Any other device
I seem to prefer device with NFC and dual core(may be because it a future ready).
Really confused. Just looking for a device that can be used for development on current and future flavors of Android.
Also I have read about rooting a device. Not sure if this is a proper question, but if someone roots a device can the person explore the full capabilities of the device(provided the rooting is proper).
I prefer not to wait for another device and I am confused between Nexus S and Galaxy S 2.
Please give you opinion about my choice or some other device that I should consider.
Thanks
Prerak Desai
if you need a phone for development, first choose your target audience.
i dont think a vast majority of the people will be upgrading too soon to dual core...
now if u wanna push boundaries with your programming, go ahead with the latest...
but its good to have a phone that a greater percentage of the people have...
also, do consider the major portion of people are on android 2.2 and 2.1 (more than 85% as on google site)...
think from a developer pov, not a user...
Thanks HyprGeek for the reply. Seems to give me a point or two to think about.
But don't you think if I buy what majority are buying today, then in about a month time something new will come up and the crowd will start moving towards it. Then i'll be stuck with old device.
I personally feel you need have something(especially electronics device) that arefuture ready so that you don't regret your decision in a short time.
What do you think from a general point of view, which device I should consider?
Thanks,
Prerak Desai
well, u need to detemine how big the "crowd" is...
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
and i dont think computers/mobiles can ever be future ready...
https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-stop-providing-bootloader-unlock-codes/
Oh come on that's never an issue script and bypass by exploiting it
Thats huge NO NO, this is my first and last Huawei device. I love my p9 and was planning to get p20 pro but now... If they get out with this most of companies will follow imo
KinG5Pac said:
Thats huge NO NO, this is my first and last Huawei device. I love my p9 and was planning to get p20 pro but now... If they get out with this most of companies will follow imo
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Nuh i dont think so. And its not the first company who actually done it. And again its in their legal rights to do so., but as i said it very easy to exploit the bootloader without bootloader code and it will not make any difference customizing it. Back in my days we had to crack the CD to clone the game....and even today we crack the EXE to play pirate games. The same will happen with the devices. Samsung and Google already locked many devices and you was not able to get a bootloader code. That did not stop us though
KinG5Pac said:
Thats huge NO NO, this is my first and last Huawei device. I love my p9 and was planning to get p20 pro but now... If they get out with this most of companies will follow imo
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Same thing here. P9 was really great had it for two years and I was very satisfied. But no way am I going with the P20. It has terrible value... So expensive? Bad design choices...
I think most companies take a bad turn after they get too big. Same thing with Samsung. They made an almost perfect phone with the Galaxy S3 (at the time) for a great price. Then they kept releasing the same design but increased price every year and now they sell glass slates that break if you look at them wrong, that cost 1000$.
I just got an amazing deal on an LG G6 which already has Oreo. That will hopefully last me until this whole notch/no headphone-jack craze washes over!
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I think most companies take a bad turn after they get too big. Same thing with Samsung.
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Its not about "getting to big". Look at it from company and market perspective. Some people here dont get it but modded devices take really small percentage of overall Android devices out there. We sit inside and read about that so we thing that everyone doing that but, most of android users dont even know what Android version they have, for them its just "Android Phone" + Brand name.
But for past year that number of custom roms and forcing updates that users do because they dont want to wait for official OTA grow and companies want to protect their names so there will be no situation like company is known that it have bad devices because people who mess with firmware cry about it all over the internet creating bad reputation.
Huawei was never perfect device for modding, and because Huawei is one of the biggest companies that aim for top they want to smooth their reputation by protecting their devices(no messing with bootloader = marketing advertising for "safe" device) and make users to use build in features and updates that they can control instead of messing with device to get it.
And yes, some people will cry that they will never get Huawei device again, or cry that its worst decision, but in reality those people are less than 0.5% of their worldwide user base. Some people will still mod those devices because they know-how, and stopping "easy way" to unlocking bootloader is not big deal, and Huawei devices are not alone here, there is lots of other devices and few companies that also block it and no one cry about it beside small number of people.
For me and probably for most of people it dont matter, Huawei devices are not bad compared to other companies, they work good, and for all normal people thats matter: that device work good. Today there is not much reason to mod devices, most of options that people need are build in, performance on even mid-range devices are good, no need to tinker under the hud like in old days to get device to work smooth. There are still many apps that need root and there are many roms that are really good, but most of people dont need that anymore, and only new users and people who are bored tinker with it... and for most of time screw their devices and then cry all over the internet that phone dont work...
vampirian said:
Oh come on that's never an issue script and bypass by exploiting it
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Sorry what do you mean?
Akinaro said:
Its not about "getting to big". Look at it from company and market perspective. Some people here dont get it but modded devices take really small percentage of overall Android devices out there. We sit inside and read about that so we thing that everyone doing that but, most of android users dont even know what Android version they have, for them its just "Android Phone" + Brand name.
But for past year that number of custom roms and forcing updates that users do because they dont want to wait for official OTA grow and companies want to protect their names so there will be no situation like company is known that it have bad devices because people who mess with firmware cry about it all over the internet creating bad reputation.
Huawei was never perfect device for modding, and because Huawei is one of the biggest companies that aim for top they want to smooth their reputation by protecting their devices(no messing with bootloader = marketing advertising for "safe" device) and make users to use build in features and updates that they can control instead of messing with device to get it.
And yes, some people will cry that they will never get Huawei device again, or cry that its worst decision, but in reality those people are less than 0.5% of their worldwide user base. Some people will still mod those devices because they know-how, and stopping "easy way" to unlocking bootloader is not big deal, and Huawei devices are not alone here, there is lots of other devices and few companies that also block it and no one cry about it beside small number of people.
For me and probably for most of people it dont matter, Huawei devices are not bad compared to other companies, they work good, and for all normal people thats matter: that device work good. Today there is not much reason to mod devices, most of options that people need are build in, performance on even mid-range devices are good, no need to tinker under the hud like in old days to get device to work smooth. There are still many apps that need root and there are many roms that are really good, but most of people dont need that anymore, and only new users and people who are bored tinker with it... and for most of time screw their devices and then cry all over the internet that phone dont work...
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Aww sorry for touching your feelings about huawei. -0.5% also money which is gone for sure btw not only p9 users heard about this news so do your calculations it's more than 0.5%, and most of people buy phones just asking these "tech-savvy (crying)" people's recommendation.
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Sorry what do you mean?
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not gonna sit and explain because it will look like a chinese alphabet to newcomers.
KinG5Pac said:
Aww sorry for touching your feelings about huawei. -0.5% also money which is gone for sure btw not only p9 users heard about this news so do your calculations it's more than 0.5%, and most of people buy phones just asking these "tech-savvy (crying)" people's recommendation.
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He is right though because the market is not targeting on "under the hood modders" but they do target on average Joes who gets a phone , takes a good picture, using messenger, call, play some android games yadda yadda.
I can tell you that its less than 0.5% worldwide and if that 0.5% needs 3-4 times to return the devices because they hardbrick their devices from custom firmwares, they will have to replace the device which is a cost and also they will gain bad reputation for having "sensitive" devices. I dont think you bought P9 for the under the hood customization. Did you? because most of us got it for the superior cameras tbh.
I do dislike the fact that bootloader is locked , however there is always a way to bypass bootloader and push TWRP. Ive done it already on P8 and P9 and i can not see where it would be a problem with newer devices.
If someone wants to push a custom firmware and have the knowledge to do it, then definitely he will have enough experience on searching for tools that can do this job. Legally, illegally it doesnt matter.
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Aww sorry for touching your feelings about huawei. -0.5% also money which is gone for sure btw not only p9 users heard about this news so do your calculations it's more than 0.5%, and most of people buy phones just asking these "tech-savvy (crying)" people's recommendation.
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Touching my feelings? Grow up kid...
Huawei P9 is my first Huawei device, for past years I was using only Sony devices. I dont have any "feelings" to phone, because its just device, and it work as advertised.
I dont care how Huawei run its own company, I see other companies and overall market and its not different than others.
What I dont like are are people who behave like kid and cry about small things and get personal with any cont argument that they dont like. Open your eyes wider and look at this from wider perspective than your own nose, then maybe you will understand some things
Akinaro said:
Touching my feelings? Grow up kid...
Huawei P9 is my first Huawei device, for past years I was using only Sony devices. I dont have any "feelings" to phone, because its just device, and it work as advertised.
I dont care how Huawei run its own company, I see other companies and overall market and its not different than others.
What I dont like are are people who behave like kid and cry about small things and get personal with any cont argument that they dont like. Open your eyes wider and look at this from wider perspective than your own nose, then maybe you will understand some things
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There there, wipe your tears. Your logic make me wanna puke. Don't be angry about others opinions cos I really don't give a f about yours but i read it cos your asking "me" to grove up (really man?) thanks I'll do it, but still stop being asshhole.
Have good one! :victory:
KinG5Pac said:
There there, wipe your tears. Your logic make me wanna puke. Don't be angry about others opinions cos I really don't give a f about yours but i read it cos your asking "me" to grove up (really man?) thanks I'll do it, but still stop being asshhole.
Have good one! :victory:
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Keyboard warrior? He expressed his opinion and yes you have to grow up. Its a bloody device and not a girlfriend. I really notice that this forum is basically 13 years old mouthy kids. There you go if i change device is only for this reason. Till then im going to the russian community. At least they are developing things. They are not like here expressing clueless opinions, leeching and been demanding and insult other forum members, either act like kids who wants a lollipop. Here take your lollipop.
Byeeeee
vampirian said:
Keyboard warrior? He expressed his opinion and yes you have to grow up. Its a bloody device and not a girlfriend. I really notice that this forum is basically 13 years old mouthy kids. There you go if i change device is only for this reason. Till then im going to the russian community. At least they are developing things. They are not like here expressing clueless opinions, leeching and been demanding and insult other forum members, either act like kids who wants a lollipop. Here take your lollipop.
Byeeeee
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Why you even here? Anyways you still thinking unlocking bootloader is some scripting or something? There are still some HTC phones which are impossible to unlock and I remember some devs used beg Xiaomi to make kernel open source, LG bootloader aghh Sony's DRM after unlock... Anyways say hello to 4pda
У меня всё... :fingers-crossed:
KinG5Pac said:
Why you even here? Anyways you still thinking unlocking bootloader is some scripting or something? There are still some HTC phones which are impossible to unlock and I remember some devs used beg Xiaomi to make kernel open source, LG bootloader aghh Sony's DRM after unlock... Anyways say hello to 4pda
У меня всё... :fingers-crossed:
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are you one of those guyz?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...remony-prove-precious-phones-daily-lives.html
Bootloader=kernel?
you mixed up what is what.
Lesson one:
Android Bootloader
Every Android phone has a bootloader that instructs the operating system kernel to boot normally. But you need to understand one thing here that as Android OS is an open source OS and is available on a variety of different hardware, every manufacturer has their own version of bootloader specific for the hardware present in it’s environment. At its most basic level, your Android smartphone is like a hard drive, made of up several partitions. One of those partitions holds the Android system files, another holds all the app data you accumulate (which is how you’re usually able to update without losing all your stuff), and others to do more behind-the scenes stuff.
Lesson two
Why are Bootloaders Locked?
A bootloader is usually locked on an Android device because although it’s an open source OS, still the manufacturers want you to stick to their Android OS version specifically designed for the device. In order to apply this concept, manufacturers lock the bootloader. With a locked bootloader on Android devices, it is virtually impossible to flash a Custom ROM and forced attempts void warranty as well as usually end up in bricks. Therefore, the first step is to always unlock the bootloader.
Lesson 3:
Why keep a bootloader out of reach? One of the biggest reasons is that the carriers and manufacturers dont want to have to support hacked phones. The other is that a lot of time and money is spent developing these things.
Lesson 4
No company is obligated to release or to help you unlock your bootloader. You are allowed to hack it. But you have to respect the brick and return policies.
You can complain as much you want. If you want to play with fimrwares you can go buy an old samsung device.
The market is targeting the user and not the developer.
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vampirian said:
are you one of those guyz?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...remony-prove-precious-phones-daily-lives.html
Bootloader=kernel?
you mixed up what is what.
Lesson one:
Android Bootloader
Every Android phone has a bootloader that instructs the operating system kernel to boot normally. But you need to understand one thing here that as Android OS is an open source OS and is available on a variety of different hardware, every manufacturer has their own version of bootloader specific for the hardware present in it’s environment. At its most basic level, your Android smartphone is like a hard drive, made of up several partitions. One of those partitions holds the Android system files, another holds all the app data you accumulate (which is how you’re usually able to update without losing all your stuff), and others to do more behind-the scenes stuff.
Lesson two
Why are Bootloaders Locked?
A bootloader is usually locked on an Android device because although it’s an open source OS, still the manufacturers want you to stick to their Android OS version specifically designed for the device. In order to apply this concept, manufacturers lock the bootloader. With a locked bootloader on Android devices, it is virtually impossible to flash a Custom ROM and forced attempts void warranty as well as usually end up in bricks. Therefore, the first step is to always unlock the bootloader.
Lesson 3:
Why keep a bootloader out of reach? One of the biggest reasons is that the carriers and manufacturers dont want to have to support hacked phones. The other is that a lot of time and money is spent developing these things.
Lesson 4
No company is obligated to release or to help you unlock your bootloader. You are allowed to hack it. But you have to respect the brick and return policies.
You can complain as much you want. If you want to play with fimrwares you can go buy an old samsung device.
The market is targeting the user and not the developer.
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I'm not even comparing, im just giving you examples where companies are being just ignorant to devs. Why they should care about brick after unlocking bootloader? You make zero sense. Unlocked bootloader void warranty so back to the topic. If you still think removing to have an option is "good" then congratulations have fun.
update: I appreciate your time that you spent on research.
Any kind soul willing to help me unlock bootloader, i belive huawei stoped supporting the website to get the bootloader code.
i tried to search everything in the forum.
should i try any suspicious website that asks money to unlock?
Really apreciated!
nightgost said:
Any kind soul willing to help me unlock bootloader, i belive huawei stoped supporting the website to get the bootloader code.
i tried to search everything in the forum.
should i try any suspicious website that asks money to unlock?
Really apreciated!
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DC-Unlocker is the place to go: https://www.dc-unlocker.com/supported_models_1/huawei_phones
I think it costs 4 Euros. I've used this site and it's legit.
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Nuh i dont think so. And its not the first company who actually done it. And again its in their legal rights to do so., but as i said it very easy to exploit the bootloader without bootloader code and it will not make any difference customizing it. Back in my days we had to crack the CD to clone the game....and even today we crack the EXE to play pirate games. The same will happen with the devices. Samsung and Google already locked many devices and you was not able to get a bootloader code. That did not stop us though
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How to Do unlock process? kindly tell me..
5pd said:
How to Do unlock process? kindly tell me..
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Scroll up in this thread and you will find link to their website with instructions there:
https://www.dc-unlocker.com/how-to-read-huawei-bootloader-unlock-code
So my only option is to use DC-Unlocker right?