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It seems lately there has been alot of negativity towards people asking questions. There have been far too many replies to questions with people complaining about the question, and the complaint takes longer to post than the answer. If you don't want to answer someones question, don't open the thread!! This is supposed to be a friendly, helpful community. There will always be different levels of experience. There is not 1 person on this forum that has never experienced the panic factor when they thought they messed up their phone. Let's keep that in mind when someone asks a question without doing an extensive search first.
PS- You are not the phone police, who are you to say what someone should and shouldn't do with their phone?
Because at least 50% of posts asking for help have been answered multiple times... in multiple threads... by multiple people.
It gets annoying answering questions for people who really shouldn't be rooting phones to begin with... or who don't take time to do any research. Instead of taking the time to learn and read.
There was an excellent article the other day on android central... about rooting not always being the answer. I think alot of people should read it.
http://m.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
You don't need to root to enjoy android. And not everyone is. But alot of people have no idea what they are getting into... then come here and expect it to be fixed because they didn't research.
Xda is a very helpful community... but everyone gets a little tired sometimes of answering the same questions.
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Because at least 50% of posts asking for help have been answered multiple times... in multiple threads... by multiple people.
It gets annoying answering questions for people who really shouldn't be rooting phones to begin with... or who don't take time to do any research. Instead of taking the time to learn and read.
There was an excellent article the other day on android central... about rooting not always being the answer. I think alot of people should read it.
http://m.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
You don't need to root to enjoy android. And not everyone is. But alot of people have no idea what they are getting into... then come here and expect it to be fixed because they didn't research.
Xda is a very helpful community... but everyone gets a little tired sometimes of answering the same questions.
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Because at least 50% of posts asking for help have been answered multiple times... in multiple threads... by multiple people.
It gets annoying answering questions for people who really shouldn't be rooting phones to begin with... or who don't take time to do any research. Instead of taking the time to learn and read.
There was an excellent article the other day on android central... about rooting not always being the answer. I think alot of people should read it.
http://m.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
You don't need to root to enjoy android. And not everyone is. But alot of people have no idea what they are getting into... then come here and expect it to be fixed because they didn't research.
Xda is a very helpful community... but everyone gets a little tired sometimes of answering the same questions.
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Well yes that's true and all but the OP has a point when he said everyone has that panic attack and doesnt bother looking before posting I mean seriously when you think your really screwed over and may have just wasted $400 I know now I'd probably look first but when I first started out with my good ol G1 I flipped **** man! Its still bricked, sitting in a shelf somewhere. But I became more experienced as I moved from MT3G to MT4G so yea noobs to forums will always be an issue here I mean really in what forum aren't they? But its better to be supportive than criticize the new Guy with a broken phone by saying 'go look in this thread or this or this or this' I mean it just makes em feel bad. This is hypocritical since I know I have a few posts criticizing noons on here for posting but whatever it happens.
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I agree with people generally needing to read up on as much as they can, especially when they're starting with android and/or rooting, but I will say there's something nice about having a chat about your particular situation. Reading an old thread often has useful information, but I could definitely see how a poster might need/want more specific, personalized advice that meets whatever issue they're having head-on. And often, I know I've been researching a particular issue, will find old threads on it, but still need additional clarification.
Obviously, people should be able to help themselves as much as possible - but in the end, that's why this is a forum, and not a tech blog, so that people CAN have discourse about common areas of interest and, hopefully, help one another out.
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PS- You are not the phone police, who are you to say what someone should and shouldn't do with their phone?
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Okay i wasn't going to say a damn thing till i saw this line.
You are 100% correct we are not officially the Android Police or Phone Police. However neither are you. WE are not telling people what to do with their devices. We are simply throwing up road blocks. As if to say....
do not proceed the bridge is out
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and you you keep on going and ignore the blatant warnings and crash and burn you shouldn't come here crying that you jacked something. On the same note we did not force you to do anything to your phone. No one from XDA held a Glock 19 and uttered the words " ROOT YOUR MUTHA EFFING PHONE OR WE KILL YOU".... you chose to do it willingly. And you should be man enough to say well i screwed my phone and i need to fix it.
9/10 people here will answer the question at hand. regardless of its "how do i root my phone", "how do i flash an image" or what ever else have you. but it someone has a low post count we will absolutely throw warnings out there. Android devices are mini Linux Computers. Now i do not claim to be a *UNIX guru, nor do i claim to be an Android guru, but i've seen enough people to brick their phones do routine things to know better......
I joined XDA because i was tired of the drama on Android Central and Cracberry's Android section. I wanted to find a good group of guys with similar interest, with similar phones and the exact same motto.
Someone once helped me with Android, and i feel i need to do the same.
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and i found XDA, i lurked for a while and thought this a good place to be....
just because you see "negative comments" doesn't mean we don't have the best intent in our hearts. We just understand what can come with things are done incorrectly.
And to finish up to answer your question "where is the love", sometimes the best love one can show is tough love, it might not appear to be there now, but down the road.... well hind sight is always 20/20.
I've struggled conceptually countless times on these forums and people have been gracious enough to help me out, but the couple of times I thought I might have actually messed up my phone the first thought that entered my head wasn't "OH SH!T, let me write an incoherent post in the first forum i see and wait for my savior," it was "you idiot, you read about this possibility and now you have a worthless piece of electronics, maybe next time you won't be so stupid." I then researched my issue and, luckily, found a solution. You can learn how to do ANYTHING on the internet these days, that's the beauty of global communication. I just think most people get frustrated when someone asks another to take time out of their day to assist them when it is clear by their post that they didn't even take the time to help themselves, you know?
No one here has a problem with helping someone out; that is clear by sheer number of question posts that get answered daily- especially when people follow the forum guidelines and at least attempt to present their issue with as much detail as possible. It's the "SOMEONE HELP ME CLOCKWORK BROKE MY PHONE" posted in the development section that cause more trouble than anything.
Just like there were many threads complaining about people not answering questions or being hostile to newbs.
Here's the very basic explanation on how to not make an ass out of yourself and save us all from answering the same thing over and over again:
1. Read BEFORE you do something
2. Read and UNDERSTAND what you're about to do, again, BEFORE you do it.
3. If anything goes wrong - take a step back to think what you did, have a smoke/drink/whatever you do and relax. Search for an answer on similar situation, bet you money it has been answered before. If all fails, write up well-organized, informative post with all info (what you had, what you did and what happened) and be patient. 5 threads within 2 hrs will not get you any farther.
Good luck to all.
People dont mind helping or answering questions its just that no one honestly reads before posting. 9 out of 10 questions have answers within the forum.
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Charle is 100% percent correct in his statement. In all honesty all the information for rooting, flashing recovery, custom roms are in the development section under the rom bible in the development section. The hard part has already been done for us.
I 100% agree that you should read ALOT before deciding to root. I read everything and watched videos for over a week before deciding to root.
The main point I was trying to make is that if you are sick of answering the same question, don't answer it. Just don't type anything. Hit the back button. There is no need for the rude remarks.
And Neidlinger I don't understand your post whatsoever. I don't understand it because you are one of the most knowledgable and helpful people on this forum. I don't know how many times you had to answer questions regarding bootloops with the wrong recovery, and every single time, you just answered the question. I honestly feel that more replies in the Q&A section should be just like yours.
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And Neidlinger I don't understand your post whatsoever. I don't understand it because you are one of the most knowledgable and helpful people on this forum. I don't know how many times you had to answer questions regarding bootloops with the wrong recovery, and every single time, you just answered the question. I honestly feel that more replies in the Q&A section should be just like yours.
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I apologize, i'm at work and and got heated about something here and really shouldn't of posted that....and when i saw "where is the love", knowing how much i try to help people out around here... it just really bothered me....
you line made it sound like, if we have some one that pops and their very first post is "how do i root my phone" we should bow down and help them. With out throwing any warnings out. just here is how to do it and explain step by step how to.
First of all i will throw out warnings, i will never ward anyone away from doing what they want to do with their device. After all it's their money they are gambling with.
secondly when i bought my first android (mytouch3G) phone i bought with a stock recovery image and a working bootloader and i had to figure everything else from there. I had to learn quickly, if i wanted my phone up and running. So thanks for the props on being knowledgeable, but it was something i pretty much had to do. And people read on BGR, Android Central, or what ever popular bog site about XDA members did this and XDA members did that they jump on here and expect us to hold their hand. People have very well laid out threads on how do do certain things. The reason i treat others the way i do when it comes to problem solving is pretty simple. I had someone do the same for me. A higher up for T-Mobile that took the time and showed me how to do what i needed done. And that kinda what my idea of the Android community is. People helping people, for the fun and enjoyment of it.
with that being said....
With True_blue, Option94, faux123 not to mention another 1/2 dozen good developers and highly knowledgeable people that put things out in black and white, easy to understand English their should be no reason why so many of the same exact threads show up. You can type in just about any Android problem or request in Google and it'll lead you to XDA, and the thread in question. Just like the thread with the guy that just posted " how do i get 2.3, the nexus s variant on my phone"... step one should of been research in stead of starting a new thread....It's the laziness that bothers me. Like with programs like Super Manager and Root Explorer, people are to lazy to learn the ADB commands.... Clockwork ROM manager, people are to lazy to flash a recovery image. Or flashing a ROM go south... did you check the MD5sum? "nope, whats that"... it's just pure laziness that bothers me...
I understand 100% where you guys are coming from. I completely agree that things should be searched for first. I just think that the #1 priority should be helping the person out first, and then correcting. I just want it to be known that this is in no way at all coming from an experience that I had...I think my anger really started with that epidemic of E:/can't mount bs where everyone was like "hey idiot you can get into recovery, you aren't bricked." And now we know now that is not the case.
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I understand 100% where you guys are coming from. I completely agree that things should be searched for first. I just think that the #1 priority should be helping the person out first, and then correcting. I just want it to be known that this is in no way at all coming from an experience that I had...I think my anger really started with that epidemic of E:/can't mount bs where everyone was like "hey idiot you can get into recovery, you aren't bricked." And now we know now that is not the case.
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I was one of them idiots that had that cnt mount cache or data issue with my phone,worst thing ever lol...Anyway instead of askin questions on 1 or 2 threads,it went to a bunch of different threads & it did get a lil annoyin cause we all tryin to find a fix but cnt really lock on one cause its soo many diff threads,its just all over the place,if people would just calm dwn & wait for the thread to get answered all would be good but people are impatient & start new threads of the same BS.....
I bricked my phone! I was trying a rootatoot method and it all went caplooey!!!??!?!? OMG I don't want to read! Tell me all knowing everyone what I should do!! Whoa is me! WHOA IS ME!
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I bricked my phone! I was trying a rootatoot method and it all went caplooey!!!??!?!? OMG I don't want to read! Tell me all knowing everyone what I should do!! Whoa is me! WHOA IS ME!
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Good example but pretty useless lol.. honestly I enjoy helping out people that's why I'm around here. Helping people makes me feel accomplished no matter what the scenario but fixing the same thing over and over gets to the point where its redundant and you want to get the point across to hit the search button. Hell most of the time ill even link to the thread but when I'm on my phone like I am currently I can't. I enjoy helping but I enjoy even more helping people who can help themselves.
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i totally agree with neidlinger on his points. I started with a G1, Mytouch 3g, mytouch slide, and now MT4G. I read everything i could get my hands on how to root and reread it again. If i still didn't understand something, then i would ask a question or search for it. Most of the posts i read nowadays, people want to be spoon-fed out of sheer laziness.
If the questions posed in these forums were even half as thought out as the comments in this thread, 95% of the snappy remarks would disappear. People want to know they are assisting someone who values that assistance. One or two sentences rarely creates that picture.
These developers put so much time into these roms and customizations to keep answering the same questions in a thread. I mean Cmon. I know every last one of them,with the kindness of their hearts,answer anyways. But I read every post and its the same damn questions,about the same damn topics and problems. If your writing the question,I'm sure u can read. So here we go.....
1. Open xda and on main page,click on more,then down to search
2. Type your search. Weather its a question,theme,kernel,rom, pornstar. Whatever just search.
3. If search is down (never been for me), then type in Google.com and type your search and then type "xda" afterwards. (Ex.Miui Inspire Xda). Now tell me what you see.
4. READ THE OP!!!! 95% of questions can be answered by reading the first 6 posts. Its fairly easy. And if you don't see it,then look through the pages. Or try methods 2&3.
....point is these developers provide great work with much pride. And I know they love to help and offer great support,but I know many MAY want a break from the spamming of the same crap every other post "what's the recommended radio" or "where can I download the kernel". I mean open your eyes. Even a blind folded,stuck in the basement,sleeping Stevie wonder can find the answers. Your is a android,meaning resources all over the place,put it to use!! This is my rant in support of developers all over!!!
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Couldn't have said it better.
Great advice. Its just as bad over an AndroidCentral where every post is the same question as the previous thread, lol.
Well I didn't wanna be a jerk but I mean over in the kingdom section,capy has to explain how to wipe data through recovery. Instead people post about flashing fullwipe 1.3 and idk y. I mean damn he posted a damn YouTube video. Maybe ppl can't read but a video and still can't figure it out?
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Agreed.
This phenomenon is ****ing mind-numbing.
Seriously, I keep asking myself why I can't feel the left side of my brain anymore.
Repetitive Post Syndrome.
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Yes Scott. I know I sound like a angry woman on the rag,but its not about *****ing. Grown men older than me,can't even follow directions. I'm 25 and I read before I do ANYTHING that idk how to do or second guess. If u can turn your phone on,then you can do this. If you can sext your tranny at 3am,u can so this. Not hard ppl. Like I've always said,can't fix stupid.
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Although this should be common sense matt, common sense isn't too common anymore. I couldn't say your original post any better than that.
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It's like this where I work. No one bothers to read anything anymore. It's beyond frustrating
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...common sense isn't too common anymore.
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Was it ever?
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Guys, much as I agree with you, there's another side to the story.
Many of these dev threads can get to be thousands of posts long, dragging across hundreds or more pages. Take as an example threads on Capy's work where he has threads of hundreds of posts in two different sections (Inspire and DHD), and that's just one ROM in question, never mind if you don't know which ROM you want.
Then, there's the search function. Right. If you're a n00b, you don't necessarily know what terms to use because you don't know what the F you're talking about yet. And those of us here ranting about doing a search don't help when I've seen the term kernel spelled Karnel, Kernal, Karnal, Carnel, and many other variants.
What I'm getting at are four things, the first being the most important.
1) Devs must be clear in their documentation, and put thorough and explicit instructions in the first few posts. Many of what YOU think are stupid questions arise from unclear instructions. For example, I used the CWM 'factory reset' function before Capy posted the video, so I wasn't sure if I needed to wipe partitions individually.
2) Be sure you have "clean hands" when criticizing others. I've seen so much immature teenager 'chopspeak' here (y dont u try 2 wipe agn), misspellings, and other grammatical mistakes that we must be aware that those of us who have not been here for any amount of time have not acquired a knowledge base and don't know what terms to use or what to ask and how to ask it.
3) There are also off topic posts in every thread which add to the difficulty when you're trying to get to the meat of a problem. Have you always posted specifically on-topic information every time you post in a thread? I doubt it. Be mindful that if a new user is casually trying to come by information, reading through dozens of pages peppered with OT 'chat' can be daunting.
4) If you see a question being asked that was not specifically addressed in the first post, recommend to the dev that it be added to an FAQ that should be contained in the first couple posts.
Of course, if the instructions are clear, and a stupid and/or redundant question is asked, then the poster must be *****-slapped into submission.
Just my two cents. Let's be sure we're not contributing to the problems ourselves.
If the dumb asses at AT&T would quit jacking with Android, there would be a lot less of that here. There are too many noobs that are not going to take the time to properly learn, nor do they want to. They just want to quickly root so their hsupa will be enabled, they can sideload, they can remove AT&T crap, etc... Probably going to get worse when AT&T drags ass releasing the gingerbread update. Too bad there is no one click for the Inspire.
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@bill, and the flip side to that is that maybe the person needs to read all 100 pages. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for people who say they don't have the time. we are all busy. it doesn't take that long to
skim. I spent a few days reading how to root before I did it and everything worked out. days, not minutes.
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@Billy,bro idk if u just wanna rebel against the topic or not but its plain as day. Read and search it period. Maybe in one thread kernel is misspelled. Then scroll through the pages and ill certainly say you will find your word. And if it does say kernal,etc then search the dang thing till it works. Y'all have pity on these people that just can't do more than just look it up on their phone. And most the time the OP has all the information and if not on the first 5 posts,then ill be certain if they read to the first 20 posts,they will see the same related questions. I see it in almost every posting after the OP's. I'm not criticizing nor downing anyone,I'm simply saying that give these threads and forums a break. Ill bet you if you deleted every post that was a repost of another,more than half of the xda android,windows forums would be cut in half or more. Instead of asking same questions, state what u did and how you did it. Then the OP can see what step u went wrong. Instead of "I flashed the newer version over the older one, nothing works what do I do?" when clearly the OP states to wipe and through cwm. I work with ignorant people and lazy asses. If you own a Inspire and plan to root and hack,first learn to read. If not you will be bricked
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I agree with the OP 100%. Over half the posts are from people who bought their first Android phone. Ran home jumped on Google to find out how to "root" because they heard about it. Jumped into it without reading anything. Then when something breaks they demand help. Well you should have read and read some more. Before I rooted I read about all the problems that happen, so if they did I knew what to do. I have been on this site for 2 years now and it is getting worse and worse.
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I waited three weeks to root mine. I had to learn how to use command on windows through my phone. Then what the hell a gold card was. Then once I created my gc, I followed the video step by step. Then it was rooted. Especially don't ask questions about rooting the Inspire,go to YouTube and type "rooting HTC inspire 4g". Bam, your set. Darkside and to all of you thank you for realizing I'm not scoulding anyone just trying to help maintain order around here. That's all
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I agree with the OP 100%. Over half the posts are from people who bought their first Android phone. Ran home jumped on Google to find out how to "root" because they heard about it. Jumped into it without reading anything. Then when something breaks they demand help. Well you should have read and read some more. Before I rooted I read about all the problems that happen, so if they did I knew what to do. I have been on this site for 2 years now and it is getting worse and worse.
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I agree with the OP 100%. Over half the posts are from people who bought their first Android phone. Ran home jumped on Google to find out how to "root" because they heard about it. Jumped into it without reading anything. Then when something breaks they demand help. Well you should have read and read some more. Before I rooted I read about all the problems that happen, so if they did I knew what to do. I have been on this site for 2 years now and it is getting worse and worse.
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So, your lucky... what if after your hours, and days, and weeks, and years of reading, something went wrong... you wouldnt ask for help?
I got my phone, went to youtube, asked a few questions here and was rooted with in the hour..
This is my first android phone, I come from the iphone if that means anything. I had a lot of jailbreaks under my belt, but rooting was not the same..
heres what I do...
I read (HELP ME JAILBREAK MY IPHONE) thread.. I have two options, click... or dont click... If all I'm gonna do is go in the thread and cry about a search bar.... I dont click!!!!! If I'm gonna help I'l click, and I dont cry about it.. my point? Don't click on threads you dont want to read!!!
Point is don't come into this thread and start your *****ing. If you would had READ MY POSTS I stated "instead of asking the same questions,why not state what you did and what happened". See your still not reading. Because in sure by 100% you will not be the only one with the issue(s). Exactly my point ..case settled
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So, your lucky... what if after your hours, and days, and weeks, and years of reading, something went wrong... you wouldnt ask for help?
I got my phone, went to youtube, asked a few questions here and was rooted with in the hour..
This is my first android phone, I come from the iphone if that means anything. I had a lot of jailbreaks under my belt, but rooting was not the same..
heres what I do...
I read (HELP ME JAILBREAK MY IPHONE) thread.. I have two options, click... or dont click... If all I'm gonna do is go in the thread and cry about a search bar.... I dont click!!!!! If I'm gonna help I'l click, and I dont cry about it.. my point? Don't click on threads you dont want to read!!!
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ok, you got me.. I didnt have the time to read through this whole thread.. this one is my bad, since it's only 2 pages...
but there are threads, with great information that have 200 pages... the trick is to find the right page!
it's simple bud, you dont HAVE to click on a thread you have already seen a 100 times. Or you can, and be helpful.. make the android world a better place. It works two fold... people can feel ok about asking even stupid questions such as the thread with the guy asking about the Thunderbolt on ATT!!!
and you build a community with help for eachother.. which in it self leaves the apple world in the dust... bunch of smug stuck ups, that walk around with thier eyes wide shut! lol I know... I was one of them!
This is turning into flaming. It will get close just like the other one.
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heres what I do...
I read (HELP ME JAILBREAK MY IPHONE) thread.. I have two options, click... or dont click... If all I'm gonna do is go in the thread and cry about a search bar.... I dont click!!!!! If I'm gonna help I'l click, and I dont cry about it.. my point? Don't click on threads you dont want to read!!!
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If that question has been answered many times, it does get annoying. It doesn't take too much time just to search. Most people that have asked questions recently are too LAZY to look for the answer. There is a 99.9% chance that threads which were created this week were questions answer already many times. We are here help our fellow community members, not spoon feed them.
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@Billy :if your having that hard of a time,do as I did with Adam and id10terrordfw..PM them asking a quick question that's more like "I did this and followed that and used recommended radio and everything but no go,what did I do wrong?" See difference between that then asking "how do I flash the radio that's recommended?" Or "how do I wipe in recovery?" Or "you need to fix this in next update." I mean come on. Stupidity always fails and makes u look like a idiot.
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Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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You have to have a pretty-much rock-stock ROM for this update to work. You could just install attn1's version of the stock ROM with this update already applied, then properly rooted and packaged for installation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058042
After installing, the update screen will show that you are up to date.
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Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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Since Gene has graciously answered your question, may I remind you that this is one of the most common questions asked, over and over. Please do a little searching first.
Thanks!
See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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That is how flash attn1 rom. I think you might have misunderstood. He meant that you could go back to stock stock and apply it. Because if your rooted it will fail to install OR. Apply attn1 rom.
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Attn1's ROM is flashed in hboot because it includes a radio. It is the ota update your phone is trying to get, but with root. He also has one in that same thread with sideloading enabled.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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its probably because to newer users, its a little intimidating to go thru many posts and threads, and they also know some info could be outdated. Maybe on the site, there should be an official, updated "how to" glossary or wiki.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
Scott_S said:
I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
I hear ya
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
Thank You
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Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
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Yes this. Exactly. 10 words.
Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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I'm not pretending anything. Searching before posting is forum rules, often cited by mods. I happen to feel it's important enough to remind people, and I'm not the only one. It's called community moderation.
No, a lot of stuff does NOT get outdated. Some do, like radio flashing and not needing eng s-off, but others don't, or haven't yet and don't look like they're going to.
For example, rooting remains the same basic process as when it started. One of two methods are available, and likely there won't be any new ground-breaking discoveries, at least for a while. Maybe it will change in the future, but it hasn't yet.
Another example... Until someone makes ATT want to push their otas to rooted devices, the process by which to update one's rooted phone with those OTA updates will remain the same. Etc....
And Google works just fine, better than the built-in search function of many sites.
Saying "I can't search because search sux" is a cop-out, plain and simple.
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...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways...
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Umm, no. At least not on the full site. If you look right above the forum frames (up, up a little more, no down, yeah, there, on the right) you'll see the search you should be using. It searches recursively from wherever you are. Forum home? Searches the whole board. Inspire home? Searches the whole Inspire board. Inspire Dev? Yep, just the dev section. It goes clear down to searching within a thread. Hardly sucky.
I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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It should work fine. All attn1's ROM needs is s-off. Bubby's give you that.
I'm not positive but I think att1 updated rooted stock rom w/sideloading is in the form of pd98img.zip file which u need to put on on your SD card but not in a folder. Then turn off fastboot in settings, power off your phone, then while holding down the vol down button push your power button. The phone should boot into hboot where it will search for the pd98img for a few seconds then ask you to update. Once it's done you can reboot & delete the file off your SD card cause it's around 300 or so mb. Once your all done with that you also might want to get the matching ril file for the new radio that's in the update which you can flash in cwr.
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I'm on rooted stock firmware. I've been postponing the recent update but this morning the postpone icon finally grayed out. I made it disappear by hiring the back button, but is it safe fire me to apply the update on rooted stock? If it's important, I also deleted the original clock app in an attempt to install the stock android one.
Also, is there a step by step method for backing up my room in case something goes wrong? Directions on topics I find here tend to be a little to general for me.
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I'm on rooted stock firmware. I've been postponing the recent update but this morning the postpone icon finally grayed out. I made it disappear by hiring the back button, but is it safe fire me to apply the update on rooted stock? If it's important, I also deleted the original clock app in an attempt to install the stock android one.
Also, is there a step by step method for backing up my room in case something goes wrong? Directions on topics I find here tend to be a little to general for me.
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Questions go in the general forum, there is a thread on the update there that explains your question already
Use nandroid backup in the recovery menu for your backups
ok thanks, but how do i use the rocovery menu and nandroid? I dontthink I have them installed, unless superoneclick automatically does so.
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ok thanks, but how do i use the rocovery menu and nandroid? I dontthink I have them installed, unless superoneclick automatically does so.
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Why do you sidekick n00bs constantly spam the dev forum? If you have no idea how to use nandroid (which isn't an app btw.) Or get into recovery, you have no business rooting your phone in the first place. Its people like you who have ruined the sidekick forum. Even the mods don't want anything to do with it.
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Why do you sidekick n00bs constantly spam the dev forum? If you have no idea how to use nandroid (which isn't an app btw.) Or get into recovery, you have no business rooting your phone in the first place. Its people like you who have ruined the sidekick forum. Even the mods don't want anything to do with it.
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I just hope someone comes to move all of these questions from here...
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Its people like me (normal, average people)that direct traffic to this website and give these communities some recognition, and encourage handset makers to release phones which aren't heavily locked, allowing people to see the value of open source. Its people like you, who harass average people simply for being average people, that make these boards more difficult to use and dense for the average person. Has it occured to you that if there were a step by step guide on this board explaining what recovery and nandroid is, where to find them, and how to use them, that people like me wouldn't be "spamming" the boards with questions? By the way, every time people post angry comments like yours, complaining about a question being asked instead of answering it,it delays a solution and bumps the topic, making it more prominent on the board and encouraging the questioner to keep posting.
In short, start solving problems or get out of the way.
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Its people like me (normal, average people)that direct traffic to this website and give these communities some recognition, and encourage handset makers to release phones which aren't heavily locked, allowing people to see the value of open source. Its people like you, who harass average people simply for being average people, that make these boards more difficult to use and dense for the average person. Has it occured to you that if there were a step by step guide on this board explaining what recovery and nandroid is, where to find them, and how to use them, that people like me wouldn't be "spamming" the boards with questions? By the way, every time people post angry comments like yours, complaining about a question being asked instead of answering it,it delays a solution and bumps the topic, making it more prominent on the board and encouraging the questioner to keep posting.
In short, start solving problems or get out of the way.
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If thats is directed to me then wow. Idk about most of that stuff you just said. There are step by step guides for everything you just mentioned. But anyways the only reason people get frustrated is cause the same questions get asked in the wrong place.. Over and over. Most people here dont mind answering and helping people . If you took the time to google any of that stuff you just mentioned you wouldn't have to worry about people getting annoyed by seeing another thread for a question in the development section. I'm very kind and will help anyone who needs it that asks in a decent manner. If you had just went into a thread of mine or another existing one and asked this question instead of making an entire new thread for it trust me it would have been answered with no problem, wether someone else answered the questions or myself
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But in order to do a backup yu need to have CWM. There is a thread for it here in the development section. Once you follow those instructions and install cwm you can do a nandroid backup from there. Just go into recovery go to backup/restore then select backup and it will backup your rom to your sd card.
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Its people like me (normal, average people)that direct traffic to this website and give these communities some recognition, and encourage handset makers to release phones which aren't heavily locked, allowing people to see the value of open source. Its people like you, who harass average people simply for being average people, that make these boards more difficult to use and dense for the average person. Has it occured to you that if there were a step by step guide on this board explaining what recovery and nandroid is, where to find them, and how to use them, that people like me wouldn't be "spamming" the boards with questions? By the way, every time people post angry comments like yours, complaining about a question being asked instead of answering it,it delays a solution and bumps the topic, making it more prominent on the board and encouraging the questioner to keep posting.
In short, start solving problems or get out of the way.
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If u can't follow simple instructions then u should be doing stuffto ur phone all questions has been ask if u read and look and search its all der a 10 year can do that just saying I'm on ayoteddys side
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not taking sides, but falkner is right. doing a search on this forum gives such poor results, if is searched 'how to make a nandroid backup' i would get a bunch of threads that poorly describes how to execute said topic, Especially for someone that has no idea what it is.
its never anyones fault when questions like these come up, but it would be Extremely helpful for the sk4g community if someone made up a more elaborate 'bible' that explains how to do everything even if you've never held an android phone before.
sidenote: i dont understand what the big deal is, its not like the sidekick forums are overflooding with new threads these days...
something to think about: if you're teaching someone how to drive a car and they have no idea how to turn on the headlights, do you bash them and yell at them for trying to drive a car? (poor metaphor, but same concept SHOULD apply here)
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not taking sides, but falkner is right. doing a search on this forum gives such poor results, if is searched 'how to make a nandroid backup' i would get a bunch of threads that poorly describes how to execute said topic, Especially for someone that has no idea what it is.
its never anyones fault when questions like these come up, but it would be Extremely helpful for the sk4g community if someone made up a more elaborate 'bible' that explains how to do everything even if you've never held an android phone before.
sidenote: i dont understand what the big deal is, its not like the sidekick forums are overflooding with new threads these days...
something to think about: if you're teaching someone how to drive a car and they have no idea how to turn on the headlights, do you bash them and yell at them for trying to drive a car? (poor metaphor, but same concept SHOULD apply here)
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No, there is nothing wrong with questions. What IS annoying to the overall community is that half of the dimwits can't read through threads, Google search, or at the very least, post the question in the general thread, rather than the development thread.
I'm sorry, but honestly, there is so much info about rooting etc. I taught myself everything by doing research. If you can't find it, then you aren't looking hard enough.
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Like the title says hiw do i get vanilla ICS on my desire S. thats all i want. Plain old ICS. Is it possile?
steste01 said:
Like the title says hiw do i get vanilla ICS on my desire S. thats all i want. Plain old ICS. Is it possile?
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Is this a QUESTION? Would it, maybe, be better off in the Q&A forum?
Also do yourself a favour and read before asking questions that are simple to find the answer to please.
Thanks for the helpful reply.
If I understand you right, you'd like to remove Sense. To do this, you need to "root" your Phone and install an ICS-only-Rom. In this thread you can find many different ROMs, even Jelly Bean-ROMs and an instruction on how to root your Phone.
Hope I could help you
Written in very bad English on my PC
Sanguinus
Try CM9 or IceCreamSaga ROM.
Simon is always very "helpful"
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Simon is always very "helpful"
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Sarcasm - well done you prat. If the 'Thanks meter' is anything to go by, then I am helpful - but when people ask such stupid, pointless questions as the OP without bothering to do any reading or searching first then they deserve the reply I gave. ANd what is wrong with me telling the OP that he has posted in the wrong forum? If people actually bothered to read or follow the rules of XDA then it would be a much better, more civilised place.
Once again - people who don't bother to read run a much greater risk of screwing up their phone permanently because they don't understand what they are doing, why they are doing it or how to fix it if something goes wrong. XDA is not a support site for people to ask daft questions - it is a Developers site. I appreciate that it has become overly popular and now everybody feels they have a 'right' to root their phone with no issues and a full expectation to treat the people on here as free tech-support, but that is not the reality of the situation.
If you have a problem with me then take it to PM and we will deal with it there, otherwise wind your neck in before your head gets taken off.
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Sarcasm - well done you prat. If the 'Thanks meter' is anything to go by, then I am helpful - but when people ask such stupid, pointless questions as the OP without bothering to do any reading or searching first then they deserve the reply I gave. ANd what is wrong with me telling the OP that he has posted in the wrong forum? If people actually bothered to read or follow the rules of XDA then it would be a much better, more civilised place.
Once again - people who don't bother to read run a much greater risk of screwing up their phone permanently because they don't understand what they are doing, why they are doing it or how to fix it if something goes wrong. XDA is not a support site for people to ask daft questions - it is a Developers site. I appreciate that it has become overly popular and now everybody feels they have a 'right' to root their phone with no issues and a full expectation to treat the people on here as free tech-support, but that is not the reality of the situation.
If you have a problem with me then take it to PM and we will deal with it there, otherwise wind your neck in before your head gets taken off.
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I don't have any problem with you, I'm only trying to say that you sometimes are a little bit uncomprehending with people that don't know so much as you. Don't get me wrong, you are great to this community, but sometimes you overreacted. You can scold and give advice but can respond debts, are nonsensical or not.
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I don't have any problem with you, I'm only trying to say that you sometimes are a little bit uncomprehending with people that don't know so much as you. Don't get me wrong, you are great to this community, but sometimes you overreacted. You can scold and give advice but can respond debts, are nonsensical or not.
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It isn't a matter of whether people are new here or uncomprehending - it is a simple matter of following the rules of XDA. Search before asking questions is one of the first, if not the first rule - yet nobody seems to bother doing it anymore.
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It isn't a matter of whether people are new here or uncomprehending - it is a simple matter of following the rules of XDA. Search before asking questions is one of the first, if not the first rule - yet nobody seems to bother doing it anymore.
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You are right about that, but like steste01 did not like your answer the others also does not like. As I said, you can answer too.
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You are right about that, but like steste01 did not like your answer the others also does not like. As I said, you can answer too.
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You're quite right - he didn't like the answer because he doesn't like the rules. That doesn't mean that I am wrong to point it out to him.
Maybe we should apply the same attitude in society as a whole - I can just go out and break whatever laws I want, and if I get arrested I'll just tell the cops that I don't like the rules.
Simon is right here. Anyone wanting to root their phone, must at least take the pain to understand the process and the risks involved rather than jumping into flashing straightaway.
The problem is everyone is just too lazy to read and gather information and knowledge.
In fact everyone who has been on this forum for a while would have already spent quite some time reading about stuff before jumping into it.
As the warranty of Desire S has gotten over for a lot of people, we are seeing some super noobs around here.
Tapatalked from Desire S running Andromadus
How i root my phone was, i htcdev unlock, didnt know after this i could root my phone, i went straight to s-off it, bump into error 155, pull my battery a few times, stucked not at htc logo, but a red exclamation mark. bump into more issue, slept late, in the end i manage to root.
thank God i didnt brick my phone in the process. it was less than 3 months when i did that, and now i am a bit regretting it, as i unlock using htcdev and voided my warranty.