Would it be possible to port this? Now that it is open. This might be a better OS for the Status/Chacha.
http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/32462950628/open-webos-1-0-edition
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Would it be possible to port this? Now that it is open. This might be a better OS for the Status/Chacha.
http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/32462950628/open-webos-1-0-edition
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Open WebOS is as open as is Android: the kernel and drivers must be supplied by the manufacturer or developer, and certain apps like 'phone', 'sms', 'mms'... are not part of the open distribution.
Think that Open WebOS must be ported to EXISTING WebOS devices...
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Open WebOS is as open as is Android: the kernel and drivers must be supplied by the manufacturer or developer, and certain apps like 'phone', 'sms', 'mms'... are not part of the open distribution.
Think that Open WebOS must be ported to EXISTING WebOS devices...
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Interesting, would be great on the ChaCha/Status because it is a very smooth OS and will work great with the keyboard.
I totally would enjoy to see this on the Chacha. Since WebOS ran on keyboard devices I hope that it will have better keyboard support than android.
I also noticed that someone was able to port WebOS to some other HTC Android device and used the drivers from Android. However, problem will be the drivers of course. :-/
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I totally would enjoy to see this on the Chacha. Since WebOS ran on keyboard devices I hope that it will have better keyboard support than android.
I also noticed that someone was able to port WebOS to some other HTC Android device and used the drivers from Android. However, problem will be the drivers of course. :-/
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The idea of the keyboard is what I was thinking. It would be a very similar experience on the chacha/status. Plus it is very fast.
it would be interesting to see a port of a totally different OS to the phone.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
for example.
but the amount of work it would entail would require a lot of very skilled developers, and a ton of research on the phone hardware as well as current available software.
I doubt it will ever happen - but it would be nice to see.
Honestly, at this point, I really wish that people would get together and make a CM10 port for the ChaCha/Status. I think it will improve performance and battery life even more than the current unofficial port of CM9.
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it would be interesting to see a port of a totally different OS to the phone.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
for example.
but the amount of work it would entail would require a lot of very skilled developers, and a ton of research on the phone hardware as well as current available software.
I doubt it will ever happen - but it would be nice to see.
Honestly, at this point, I really wish that people would get together and make a CM10 port for the ChaCha/Status. I think it will improve performance and battery life even more than the current unofficial port of CM9.
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CM10 should be out in the next couple of months. The problem is there are like 2 real good developers for the htc chacha/status and they have lives to live. So they don't constantly work on this stuff. Which sucks. this is a great phone and we need more devs
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CM10 should be out in the next couple of months. The problem is there are like 2 real good developers for the htc chacha/status and they have lives to live. So they don't constantly work on this stuff. Which sucks. this is a great phone and we need more devs
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^ couldn't agree more. it's a beautiful phone, and it has so much potential. I only wish HTC would realize this, and support it more - or better yet, develop another version of it, which has a little more power out of the box.
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^ couldn't agree more. it's a beautiful phone, and it has so much potential. I only wish HTC would realize this, and support it more - or better yet, develop another version of it, which has a little more power out of the box.
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This phone, with a dual core 1ghz processor same ram but 1gb would be nice and maybe just a little better screen. But just a dual core 1ghz processor and this becomes the best android phone in my opinion. I also have an atrix 4g but for most things I prefer this phone.
Unfortunately HTC said that it will discontinue to make phones with hardware keyboards...
However, I think the people that work on porting things to the HTC Chacha are limited. We could try to support them with some donations. But even if someone is willing to work on the port for some small amount of money we don't have any guarantee if the result of WebOS for the Chacha will be what we expect since it will depend on the drivers.
Also when they port CM10 to the chacha I really would like to see someone improving the keyboard support especially for the call functions. I gut 2 calls at the same time today and you can't even use the green phone key to switch between the calls since it just will open a new dialer insted of checking what is going on in the moment.
Would be nice of one of the developers to comment this here.
I will look into WebOS once someone else ports it to a ARMV6 phone. As the current phone which has WebOS so far is Galaxy Nexus, even the port for the Nexus isn't that great at the moment.
As for all the dev work, I think what we have at the moment is great for a lowend phone as we have CM7, CM9 and CM10 soon. Plus I'm going to start finishing some ROMs which I started couple of months ago. Donate to Adlx as he's keeping the dev work going on in his free time when he has Family also.
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it would be interesting to see a port of a totally different OS to the phone.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
for example.
but the amount of work it would entail would require a lot of very skilled developers, and a ton of research on the phone hardware as well as current available software.
I doubt it will ever happen - but it would be nice to see.
Honestly, at this point, I really wish that people would get together and make a CM10 port for the ChaCha/Status. I think it will improve performance and battery life even more than the current unofficial port of CM9.
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I already work on B2G for Chacha, and it didn't work. Later we saw it will not work as b2g (at least in the current state) doesn't support armv6.
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I already work on B2G for Chacha, and it didn't work. Later we saw it will not work as b2g (at least in the current state) doesn't support armv6.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Related
Anyone know anything about the Meego? Would you be able to flash the htc tp2 and put Meego on it?
Good question! I'd also like to know if there is possibility to port Meego to HTC WM and/or Android devices just by cooking a new ROM - or are there significant h/w issues? Also to know how difficult it is to modify apps to run on Meego that have been written for Android or WMx.
Don't we all wish?
Lol when I saw this thread my heart jumped out my chest. Then reality struck. And reality is, its not ever gonna happen. And if it does, it will be because someone used a lot of stuff from the Android port (Meego, and Android are both base on Linux Mobile Kernel). Anyhow even if you did get it to boot it would be plagued with issues and honestly not ever work the way we all want.
Hardware issues aren't really there, just no drivers available. Hell at this point I would be happy with a touch pro 3 with 1ghz omap/snapdragon and winmo/android either. But no luck for that, and we are even farther from seeing meego coming out of HTC. Here is to hoping the N9 is good and ever sees stateside.. Hope someone proves me wrong!
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Good question! I'd also like to know if there is possibility to port Meego to HTC WM and/or Android devices just by cooking a new ROM - or are there significant h/w issues? Also to know how difficult it is to modify apps to run on Meego that have been written for Android or WMx.
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Oh as for programming... thats where Meego excels. Winmo already has support for Qt 4.6 and that is how I currently develop apps for winmo5.X+. Then when I change my device to meego (target device), recompile, and it is ready not a single line of code changed. But that is more the power of Qt than any significant advantage to winmo. Android support is coming so be ready for a wave of amazing Qt apps. Thank you Trolltech and Nokia. Long Live QT!
Dead thread/project/idea? I'd love to run Meego on Rhodium. There are some Linux games (Cave Story!) I'd like to carry on my phone but I don't want to install Rhobuntu. Meego'd let me run Linux apps and make calls without having to reboot.
Me too! Keep the thread up!
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Me too! Keep the thread up!
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Could anyone do it?!
It's based on Linux, so it can be booted using HaRET... People can port Ubuntu, but can't port Meego?
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It's based on Linux, so it can be booted using HaRET... People can port Ubuntu, but can't port Meego?
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I'm with ya.
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It hasn't even gotten a successful Official port yet, and you guys are asking for it to be on the Rhodium already? Geeze. The Leo hasn't even got a functional port yet, and they have more devs than we'll ever see here.
The moral of the story is be patient, or please help to contribute. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, it's just that Meego is loosing momentum in an official capacity now with only Intel working on it currently.
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Just keeping things alive if I can. I think this would be absolutely great. I will be patient....but man that would be cool. I still have a ways to go on my contract and I really don't feel like investing in another phone atm. I'd rather get a laptop...
I'm all for this as well. So BUMP
Frankly I love my TP2, hopefully HTC will put out a TP3, though it appears the HTC 7 Pro, is the Touch Pro 3.
I know its new but even phones like the GS2 and Sensation had things going on in the thread before they were out, could this phone be skipped by the devs and ignored which makes it a pointless phone to own what's your views.
Have you tried developing a 3D app etc? It's probably a lot harder for starters... It's not just a case of porting an app over like from the HTC HD to say a mini pro.
Give it a few weeks and I'm sure something will pop up
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a pointless phone to own what's your views.
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I want a phone that can be rooted and does 3D, this phone sounds perfect to me
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Have you tried developing a 3D app etc? It's probably a lot harder for starters... It's not just a case of porting an app over like from the HTC HD to say a mini pro.
Give it a few weeks and I'm sure something will pop up
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i don't mean 3D apps I mean roms with owning a Sensation and now a GS2 as well as this phone, the Android Development threads were beaming with things even before the phones had been released but there is little on this so far.
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i don't mean 3D apps I mean roms with owning a Sensation and now a GS2 as well as this phone, the Android Development threads were beaming with things even before the phones had been released but there is little on this so far.
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How long have you had the LGO3D? Give the phone a chance....
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How long have you had the LGO3D? Give the phone a chance....
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I will give it chance but weeks before the Sensation was released there was loads of interest in the Development section, test roms etc same with the GS2 but this one so far is pretty dead.
AFAIK, LG is not as popular "yet" as the 2 two pioneer brands...but it has great potentials...
I think the reason is the complexity behind the 3D part of this phone. After all, the main reason for getting this phone is for its 3D capability. Also, this is one of the first 3D phone around... so give it some time
Don't forget Samsung also had smae prb back when the "Galaxy" range come up.. the dev rom not really picked up before i9000 arrive.
Sure this phone will pick up once u see more on street, it is very early now ^^
There are also a lot of developers that are interested but can't get the phone yet.
We are getting Verizon LTE here this week, but we don't even have a date for any dual core Cortex-A9 phone yet.
wait till you see CM7 pops out at you.
Am sure almost all the good teams will be with it soon enough. LG could help too by releasing some stuff too.
I dont think this phone will lack interest of developers. Once it has been released in US, many things will change imo. The phone has great potential not only because of its 3D capabilities, but also because of the Tri-Dual tech and Omap4.
I am actually satisfied enough with root and chainfire nvidia drivers for tegra games. Omap4 is quite capable of playing high end games which are specifically designed for ANOTHER gpu. This gives me the thought of its potential that if there will be games specifically designed for omap4, it could be really really rocking.
As stated above wait for the US release, also when it comes to ROMs, this phone is hard, there where a few early leaks but nothing much and the hardware is completely new compared to others and that takes time as well to get to know, on the plus side TI shares code and are often very helpful to homebrew projects etc, on the downside 3D is also completely new to the ROM builders and that will take some time to learn etc.
Many of the phone that get builds before they are even out share most of the same hardware as other phones and so on, the LG Optimus 2X is just getting CM7 but still no stable build, not for lack of interest but for the fact that it's a new chipset and dual-core etc, if you are hoping for a ROM within the next few weeks you are going to be disappointed but if you are willing to give it 3-6 months you'll probably get some really neat stuff to put in your phone.
This phone has great potential. But currently it is still too "costy" for development purpose and too many "first" for the industry. So everything is from scratch. So far the only thing that I am able to stuff in this phone is the HTC IME (chinese) which I still couldn't find anything better.
27-02-2012 Updated..head to page 2 for some updated links..
If you havent spotted it in the Rom thread.. then head there and check it out..
[ROM][Nightly][ICS] Team Eos Transformer Nightlies (tf101)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1520764
Thought I would bring this into here so that we can keep an eye on it and see if it comes to our transformer..
I for one would LOVE to have this going..
From what I am reading, its not going to be an app.. but part of the Android Roms that OEM's are able to put out on thier pads..
I suggest that if you like the look of it.. buzz them like i have and keep the transformer at the forfront of thier list of devices that they should be adding this too..
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http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
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I asked to the developers if it's possible to get a preview to implement it to Revolver ROM. But I don't think it's possible =|
They will probably charge an arm and a leg to the OEMs to incorporate the multiwindow UI...
gnufabio said:
I asked to the developers if it's possible to get a preview to implement it to Revolver ROM. But I don't think it's possible =|
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they have a new video teasing us..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX8w3UZIjkc
I would love to have this but seeing that this been talked about for months and hasn't been release yet.. i don't see it come out any time soon..
gnufabio said:
I asked to the developers if it's possible to get a preview to implement it to Revolver ROM. But I don't think it's possible =|
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if they have cracked the programing with something that is going to blow us away..
then I sure they are going to be be milking this for all they can get..
its been a hell of a online marketing push so far..
we have yet to see it working in real world..
and as they had it going before ICS then I am a little supprised
they havent got a major taking it on and pushing it for the xmas shopping..
This is the type of thing that will make any NAMED pad different then ALL the others in a flash..
even the ipad users havent got this as yet..
so if they are sitting on the holy grail of programming. they better get your arse out there on product
before someone else steals there thunder..
sent from yet another MikG HTC Evo
This is where the ability of Android apps to scale to any screen size comes handy. I hope Google will implement something like than in next Android. For tablets it would be really usefull.
Actually..wouldn't that be the theory. If say a app works to a smaller screen.. then couldn't you run that app with it to be limited to that screen size.. thus you could then effectively run say, a MSN box and a Google translate..the key would be to limiting them to open to a certain size..and not go whole screen..
Linux inheritantly runs multi windows..Android is a based on similar coding..so really I can't see why this feature has taken so long to impliment.
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dgcruzing said:
Linux inheritantly runs multi windows..Android is a based on similar coding..so really I can't see why this feature has taken so long to impliment.
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You're talking about the X Windows System (which GNU/Linux, Solaris, *BSD, etc usually use), not Linux the kernel (which Android uses). You can even us X on Microsoft Windows operating systems, but it's not the native technology there anymore than it is on Android.
Android does it's own thing. As far as what multi-anything we get from Linux, we get the technology that makes sandboxing apps with a publicly shared directory work. We don't have X natively built into Android. If we did you wouldn't even need "Android" apps.
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Spidey
Understand..
I was playing on Jobs NeXt machines back in 93 with multi layers of Linux & Dos..(shows my age)..that were running processors not much more then what we have in our hands now..
I am sure the hats @Google have this as a target as it was only a matter of time before it was demanded as a norm..
Point being.. these guys are close and I hope Asus is one of the few that have tipped some money into the bucket so that they in front of the pack..
Millions of android pads are just screaming out "multi windows me please" ;-)
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Windows 8 has sth similar, so I also think Google is already working on sth like that. I would rather wait than use sth that is third party addtion, not coming from Google.
ok, developers.. let it rip!!!
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http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b261efe2acec30149813de83c&id=0b60c32006&e=5ec7b968da
Nice, now only good developer who building app for our TF.
Cornerstone is now open source...
Let's add it to some ROMS!
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this should be in general not dev and there is already a discussion here-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279199
I just saw the video and this would truly make using an android device amazing. It is so awesome however, that I think it would be wise for google to wait till the next release of android before releasing something like this. I think it would be a real selling point for android.
+1
wish I could help make this happen for my TF.
The package they released is for 4.0.3 so we will have to wait or put it on paulburtons ics hopefully it is baked into cm9 for tablets
mrevankyle said:
The package they released is for 4.0.3 so we will have to wait or put it on paulburtons ics hopefully it is baked into cm9 for tablets
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looks like it is getting close..
[ROM][FEB20][v0.3] CM9 Kang with Cornerstone! True Multitasking comes to Touchpad!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501637
Keep an eye on this Rom...
[ROM/WIP][Unofficial] CyanogenMod 9 for TF101
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517480 pg8
it will be screaming if they get it first..
but it wont be without its hassles...
https://plus.google.com/106527379151691513977/posts/3hkAaD6eah4
With that said, the base is done, the idea is out there and the code is floating between hands.
It will only be a matter of time before someone picks it up and runs with it.
Before someone comes in and dumps on this thread as they have in others, this is a thread about watching it develop.
Plenty of us have been scanning the airwaves for more then 6 months now for a sniff of multitasking Android on our pads.
Once again, I take my hat off to those programmers that spend hours over their keypads to bring us common folk
usable software to work with in our daily lives..
dgcruzing said:
looks like it is getting close..
[ROM][FEB20][v0.3] CM9 Kang with Cornerstone! True Multitasking comes to Touchpad!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501637
Keep an eye on this Rom...
[ROM/WIP][Unofficial] CyanogenMod 9 for TF101
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517480 pg8
it will be screaming if they get it first..
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Can be fairly easy now i would do it but i dont know how to use GIT
all you would have to do is merge
https://github.com/AndroidRoot/android_device_asus_tf101
with
https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
then build it
I really want some ICS love! Anyone know any thing about any ROMs based off of ICS or.... even better.... CM9? I am new to this rooting thing so...
Wow. Just search through all the topics in the skyrocket forum and you'll find your answer
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This is like some kind of Platonic Ideal of a post here.
But, I'm pretty sure they're going to release ICS at the big Samsung/AT&T/Google event tomorrow.
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I really want some ICS love! Anyone know any thing about any ROMs based off of ICS or.... even better.... CM9? I am new to this rooting thing so...
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Before you ask a question, please search the forum first, therefore other members will not give you harsh answers.
If you are looking for answers to rooting your device, please go here:
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If you are searching for rom developments, please go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1383
If you are searching for information on Ice Cream Sandwich, best luck is to search google or in the general section. There is NO certain release date of when ICS will be available, but there are rumors and some information that states it will be in Q1 of 2012.
Good luck to you.
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What event? Do you have a link. ?
I think he's referring to the CES 2012 event on January 9th.
Oh thats not tomarrow lol tomarrow is the 5th . Darn i was hoping there was some att/sammy event tomarrow.
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I think he's referring to the CES 2012 event on January 9th.
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Indeed. That is the only upcoming event that I am aware of.
I wasn't...LOL. I can't afford to buy another phone. I just pre-ordered the Transformer Prime so I'm out of money...so my wife says.
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Oh thats not tomarrow lol tomarrow is the 5th . Darn i was hoping there was some att/sammy event tomarrow.
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Haha me too my friend l lol the hope jumped up through my body!
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No, I was being mean. There's not event tomorrow and ICS is but a distant dream. Enjoy your device now and don't sweat the OS version number. ICS is not going to give much more over what you have now.
I'm sort of with the OP in wanting to know about any rom based on ICS. I've searched the forums and google to no avail. I'm seeing other devices getting a version of CM9, but nothing for the Skyrocket yet.
So, my question is this: Is anyone working on an ICS rom for the Skyrocket such as CM9? If I had the know-how I'd be all over that since we have such a great and powerful phone. I know AT&T and Samsung will eventually release ICS, but it'll never compare to the likes of CyanogenMod.
No no ones working on it. Why make a hacked up version. Thats not very functional. When our update is just around the corner. We will see ics, and mabye cm9 but.not until theres a leak for the skyrocket or the actuall update.
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No no ones working on it. Why make a hacked up version. Thats not very functional. When our update is just around the corner. We will see ics, and mabye cm9 but.not until theres a leak for the skyrocket or the actuall update.
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Thanks. Like some others I'm an impatient type...especially after using ICS on my HTC Incredible. Can hardly wait to have it on my Skyrocket, but will sit quietly (maybe) and wait.
Not saying this to start a flamewar or anything but why are so many people with talent focusing on old roms and tweaks and not ICS? IMO this is what is hurting Android with better development etc, it seems like iOS hacking and tweeking seems to be more tight-knit and innovative, where Android seems to just have (almost) the same thing over and over again.
Now, I am not saying it is the same, there are obviously very difficult functions and programming that needs to be done, but I don't get why all efforts by everyone wouldn't be focused on ICS since it is what Android needs, a fresh new OS that could change the game.
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Not saying this to start a flamewar or anything but why are so many people with talent focusing on old roms and tweaks and not ICS? IMO this is what is hurting Android with better development etc, it seems like iOS hacking and tweeking seems to be more tight-knit and innovative, where Android seems to just have (almost) the same thing over and over again.
Now, I am not saying it is the same, there are obviously very difficult functions and programming that needs to be done, but I don't get why all efforts by everyone wouldn't be focused on ICS since it is what Android needs, a fresh new OS that could change the game.
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
samsung has not provided us with enough driver libraries/binary blobs that work properly with AOSP GB, let alone ICS.
the problem here is the manufacturers. they control the proprietary hardware/drivers we need to focus attention on something. we could hack something together, but it wouldnt be worth a crap, and by the time we got something working half decent, Official would be dropped on us with source and we would have to basically start fresh....
tl;dr: it is not worth the time it takes to try to hack something together until we have 'something' from samsung.
Pirateghost said:
so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
samsung has not provided us with enough driver libraries/binary blobs that work properly with AOSP GB, let alone ICS.
the problem here is the manufacturers. they control the proprietary hardware/drivers we need to focus attention on something. we could hack something together, but it wouldnt be worth a crap, and by the time we got something working half decent, Official would be dropped on us with source and we would have to basically start fresh....
tl;dr: it is not worth the time it takes to try to hack something together until we have 'something' from samsung.
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Exactly its not as simple as ics source code being out, you also need proper drivers for the hardware
Pirateghost said:
so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
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That answers a lot for me, like I said I am not too familiar coming from Iphone (day one, I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Skyrocket))
So obviously you need the kernel to work with the OS, I didn't know they were not released.
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....you also need proper drivers for the hardware
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Is it harder for phone hardware? Seems to be a lot of open source, or scene made drivers for, say video cards.
Turbojugend said:
That answers a lot for me, like I said I am not too familiar coming from Iphone (day one, I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Skyrocket))
So obviously you need the kernel to work with the OS, I didn't know they were not released.
So what exactly is open about Android then? If you are at the mercy of the manufacture's to release the kernel, how is that open?
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Android itself is OPEN. you can go and build your very own version of 4.0 ICS right now from source code. there are very few phones you can STABLY and RELIABLY run it on though.
The NEXUS line of phones exists for a reason. they are untouched by carriers (verizon teabagged the Galaxy Nexus a little), and do not have some stupid overlay on them. they are developer devices in that it is the first phone to get android updates straight from google (no manufacturer interference required).
every other phone is tainted with a manufacturer's UI. Touchwiz on Samsung phones (galaxy nexus is a samsung but they provided the hardware not the software), Sense on HTC, 'non-blur' on Motorola, whatever Sony calls theirs...lol, LG, etc
on top of that tainted Android interface is a carrier branding or lockdown (doesnt apply to the entire world, but im only referring to US here)
so google releases new version of Android
manufacturers build phone, and customize android to fit their model (this is where android almost stops being OPEN)
carriers get a hold of the manufacturers build of android and tweak and modify it themselves (more than likely they just tell the manufacturers what they want), as you know they love to include bloat and lock it down from the user
you receive your android phone after it has gone through all those steps....long process huh? we dont get updates to newer versions as quickly because of that long process...and they would rather us buy new phones instead of improving perfectly good hardware.
Android is open in the sense that manufacturers can use it however they wish, within reason. it is not necessarily meant to be 'open' to the average end user, and manufacturers dont want you messing with the phone they built. its the reason XDA is what it is today, albeit with roots deep in WinMo hacking.
Hey Pirateghost Really great in-depth info with your permission I would like to add this info for noobs here.
Pirateghost said:
Android itself is OPEN. you can go and build your very own version of 4.0 ICS right now from source code. there are very few phones you can STABLY and RELIABLY run it on though.
The NEXUS line of phones exists for a reason. they are untouched by carriers (verizon teabagged the Galaxy Nexus a little), and do not have some stupid overlay on them. they are developer devices in that it is the first phone to get android updates straight from google (no manufacturer interference required).
every other phone is tainted with a manufacturer's UI. Touchwiz on Samsung phones (galaxy nexus is a samsung but they provided the hardware not the software), Sense on HTC, 'non-blur' on Motorola, whatever Sony calls theirs...lol, LG, etc
on top of that tainted Android interface is a carrier branding or lockdown (doesnt apply to the entire world, but im only referring to US here)
so google releases new version of Android
manufacturers build phone, and customize android to fit their model (this is where android almost stops being OPEN)
carriers get a hold of the manufacturers build of android and tweak and modify it themselves (more than likely they just tell the manufacturers what they want), as you know they love to include bloat and lock it down from the user
you receive your android phone after it has gone through all those steps....long process huh? we dont get updates to newer versions as quickly because of that long process...and they would rather us buy new phones instead of improving perfectly good hardware.
Android is open in the sense that manufacturers can use it however they wish, within reason. it is not necessarily meant to be 'open' to the average end user, and manufacturers dont want you messing with the phone they built. its the reason XDA is what it is today, albeit with roots deep in WinMo hacking.
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OK, who is brave enough to attempt to port the newly released Open WebOS 1.0 to our trusty MT4GS? :good:
http://www.openwebosproject.org/
This can be done with minor issues The Qualcomm chip in our device is the same as the Touchpad.
AgentCherryColla said:
This can be done with minor issues The Qualcomm chip in our device is the same as the Touchpad.
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Exactly, and it uses a Linux kernel just like Android. A good dev should be able to work this as easily as one of the ICS roms.
I love WebOS on my TouchPad, it's a really nicely thought out OS, with an intuitive UI. (Though I dual boot into CM9 most of the time.) I think my only real complaint is the app tray.
What I'd love to see is a way to run Android apps in WebOS. Like BlackBerry did with their Playbook for a while.
GoPadge said:
I love WebOS on my TouchPad, it's a really nicely thought out OS, with an intuitive UI. (Though I dual boot into CM9 most of the time.) I think my only real complaint is the app tray.
What I'd love to see is a way to run Android apps in WebOS. Like BlackBerry did with their Playbook for a while.
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OpenWebOS can run some Android apps already, I believe.
Fuzi0719 said:
OpenWebOS can run some Android apps already, I believe.
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NO WAY!
That's awesome!
I have always wanted to use WebOs. I would LOVE to see this ported
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My take on this is that since the MT4GS is already a discontinued device, I would rather have the experts that like our phone pay attention to sustaining our support on the Android family of software. On some other devices, you get more developers that can spread the load, but ours is a bit more of a niche device with limited sales, so trying to spread the developer load across multiple OS's is even worse than the spread across sense vs. non-sense builds. There is only a limited amount of interest in developing for a device like ours, and I would rather them focus on a few paths that will result in the the most useful, supported builds. WebOS was a limited OS as it was, so as good as it may have been, it isn't what we will get any (limited) support to develop towards IMHO.