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att bill of $1000.00

im using energy rom 3.0 50109 on my fuze and got this outrageous bill from att stating i used excessive data. if i ever got on the internet was using wifi. i know the data connections button was always off and the gprs auto connect disabled. is there another setting i missed?

It's gotta be a mistake on their part.
Look at your bill line-by-line and compare it against your previous bills so see if the data usage is about the same.
Also review your sign-up plan to see what you're data rate per month is. If it turns out you're not on a 3G (Enhanced Data Plan) then it's possible that you were billed at the Cellphone Data Plan rate - here in Canada we have:
Enhanced Mobile Data Plan (aka 3G) = 1Gb/mo, $30/mo
Mobile Data Plan = 2Kb/mo, $15/mo (intended for basic WAP phones, goes through a proxy)
Good luck,

i will do that. i know i dont have a data plan but i do have unlimited sms/mms and when i signed up att said their media net/ gprs needed to be enabled in order for me to send pics and video. like i said, any data was through wifi. But i will take your advice and thanks for the reply hilaireg!

Its definitley a mistake on their part. I started using Energy Rom 3.0 and I haven't gotten an outrageous bill like that. And I pretty much went through all the settings in the rom to disbale GPRS use.
In the past, occasionly AT&T has done retarted things, like charging me $30 for going over my SMS plan. What they did was the they combined the number of texts I sent/recieved for 2 months and billed me on that.
And it is really frustrating that I still haven't gotten my $30 back to a point where I don't care anymore. They can have it. I'll just think of charity.
Now 1 grand is a different story...unless you REALLY feel like being generous and helping the CEOs out

It isn't a mistake on their part, your phone must have somehow used the data connection without you knowing it. 100MB at the PPU rate is $1000. It is possible that you thought WiFi was on but really wasn't connected.

petard said:
It isn't a mistake on their part, your phone must have somehow used the data connection without you knowing it. 100MB at the PPU rate is $1000. It is possible that you thought WiFi was on but really wasn't connected.
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i think if his wifi was off it he would know cuz when ur wifi comes on, immediately it pops up all the wifi within the area and ask which one to connect, unless he is using a existing one, which should of showed the wifi icon regardless, our bill *am under a family plan* was recently over charged apperent for something i downloaded said att, but my mother never got to the buttom of it.
funny thing is i dont even use att service, expect maybe for mms which is unlimited and so is sms
oh and am using energy rom am using xECK29x Premier Series

The same thing happened to me. I called them, spoke to possibly the nicest woman in the world and she fixed everything and then gave me 40 dollars off. It worked out for me... give it a try. can't hurt.

Remember that even when you are on WiFi, default for AT&T (if you run connection manager) is to go through mediaNet to download data, not WiFi. Even so, speak to CS and they will most likely take that off. Also, remember to ask them to put data block on your plan if you are not planning on subscribing to unlimited data. Peace of mind.

i had about $300 in data usage once, and they removed it when i said ill add unlimited data, so maybe try that....

energy roms have 3g turned on as preset, you have to disable it from the comm manager. you can see it's on and you can see it connecting -sometimes even when the wifi is on too. NRG also has an application called "disable data" which does exactly that, never allowing 3g or other stuff to connect if you don't want them to. good luck!

Thing I did after freaking out at a $3 bill--I called them and had them completely disable data (picture messaging included) from my account--
Problem solved.

Super Bill!
Here's what you can do to add data.
First off, get yourself a POS phone like an LG Shine or some other dumbphone that can get on the internet.
Pop your sim card in, wait a few minutes, and then call at&t.
If you have unlimited texting, data is only $10/month. If you don't have texting, data will be $15/month. Once it is added, just switch your sim card back to your fuze.
I've been doing this with the Fuze and iphone with no overages for about eight months.

Verizon REQUIRES data plan for PIX messaging on Smartphones?

I recently got rid of my data plan for my TouchPro and downgraded to a Touch (Vogue, XV6900), since it does not require a data package. Then I realized I could no longer send/receive PIX/FLIX messaging because their MMS uses the data network.
They told me that if I have a smartphone I have to buy data package ($30 a month) to get pix/flix working, or I can pay for data by the MB, yet on regular phone (non-smartphones) pix/flix works fine, and you do not need to pay for data at all. Is this a limitation of Windows Mobile or what?
Is there anyone on Verizon right now, with a windows Mobile phone but without a data plan that can send/receive MMS free like dumbphones can?
Thanks.

one question for you, the xv6900 does not have wifi right? so if you dont have the data plan what do you plan to use your phone for?

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one question for you, the xv6900 does not have wifi right? so if you dont have the data plan what do you plan to use your phone for?
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why does a phone need a data plan or wifi to be worth it? I had a dat aplan for over a year, and loved it, but it was not worth $30 a month just for the convenience of having my email checked every 5 minutes. I became a slave to it. I actually feel a lot better now that I have no data, and feel free-er. Here is what I currently use my phone for...
1. Calls
2. SMS/Texting
3. GPS via TomTom 7 (locks in under 30 seconds)
4. Transcriber feature everyday for instant translation of my writing into text. Very useful for night classes/school
5. Bluetooth syncing/audio streaming
6. MP3 Player
7. DivX/XviD/H264 Video Player
8. Xflib.com games
(the list goes on...)
Your question basically stated that a phone is useless without a data plan, and that simply does not hold true.
Now, can anyone answer my original question about forcing data on smartphones just to do simple PIX messaging? Is this true, or do I need to fix something on my phone?

I said nothing about getting a DATA PLAN, I said it should at least have WIFI, I mean a PDA is for organizational, email purpose. I personally dont have data so I hate it too but I have wifi.
Nonetheless, yes you need data to to MMS messaging. I am on verizon too and I have called them there is no way to do it any other way. So I gave up on MMS.

nahid569 said:
I said nothing about getting a DATA PLAN, I said it should at least have WIFI, I mean a PDA is for organizational, email purpose. I personally dont have data so I hate it too but I have wifi.
Nonetheless, yes you need data to to MMS messaging. I am on verizon too and I have called them there is no way to do it any other way. So I gave up on MMS.
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Again, this is your "opinion". Before this phone, I had a XV6800 and a TouchPro, both of which have Wifi, and I never once turned it on or used the WiFi in a year and a half of owning those phones. WiFi on PDAs is pointless to me, in my opinion.
We use our phones for different things, so what's wrong with that? You use it as an organizational tool, I use it as a 16GB flash drive, and a TomTom GPS. It was only $50, so if I had wanted a 16gb flash drive and a TomTom separately it would have easily been over $100, so why do you care so much how I use my phone?

wow nevermind, it doesnt matter. But your question has been aswered so mods close this thread please.

nahid569 said:
wow nevermind, it doesnt matter. But your question has been aswered so mods close this thread please.
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"wow nevermind"...? why the attitude? we use our phones for different purposes...why do you care so much how i used or don't use my smartphone? jeez, stop being such a commie about this.
also, don't order the mods around. they do their job just fine on here.

Can I use a 'used phone' on AT&T with no data plan?

Considering an upgrade from my 8125/Wizard (no AT&T data plan) to a Tilt/ Fuse/? (something cheap, in good-great condition, 400MHz+, GPS, ???).
Will AT&T require me to upgrade to a data plan if I just stick my SIM card in a phone I buy here? Does "unlocked" really matter any more? I've heard they are detecting device ID's and forcing data plans based on that.
Thanks!

Data Usage is sneaky!
Well, here's what I think about that. They won't force you to get a data plan, but I highly advise it, as your phone will use the data whether you physically go on the internet or not. At least that is my experience with it. I let my niece use my Tilt with her sim card which had no data plan, only texting and my next phone bill was an extra $100. It was still accessing the net for stuff, even though I turned off the auto update for weather. So, my advice would be, if you are going to get a smart phone, get a plan with it. It's worth it in the end I think. Oh yeah, MMS also uses data...

tmroper22 said:
Well, here's what I think about that. They won't force you to get a data plan, but I highly advise it, as your phone will use the data whether you physically go on the internet or not. At least that is my experience with it. I let my niece use my Tilt with her sim card which had no data plan, only texting and my next phone bill was an extra $100. It was still accessing the net for stuff, even though I turned off the auto update for weather. So, my advice would be, if you are going to get a smart phone, get a plan with it. It's worth it in the end I think. Oh yeah, MMS also uses data...
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Some people have internet (wifi) wherever they're at so there's no need for a data plan. Also, MMS is free if you have a texting plan so it uses data, but doesn't charge you for it.
To the OP, if you get ANY phone outside of ATT (Marketplace, Craigslist, etc.), you don't have to get a data plan.

Thanks for the feedback. I have had an 8125/Wizard for several years with no data plan. As also pointed out, MMS does work without data plan. Well sort of... I can rarely get them to go through, but we don't get charged for it since we have the AT&T messaging plan. $30 /mo for data is just outrageous to me, I pay less than that for reliable/fast internet access at home.

AT&T Fuze without data plan?

I bought a used AT&T Fuze online, and it came yesterday. I popped my SIM in, and this morning, I received a text message saying a data plan is required for all smartphones. I called up AT&T and got my IMEI changed and cancelled the data plan. Is there a way to prevent AT&T from charging me for the data plan, so that I can just use the phone without internet access (excluding Wi-fi, obviously)?

I have the same question. Back in October I had a Tilt that didn't have the plan - activated it and had been using the plan until mid January - the phone was stolen out of my car. Using a Blackberry now and they automatically stopped the data plan. I have a new Fuze on the way and don't want to pay the 30 per month as I can use WIFI almost anywhere for free.
Read that their policy is that if you have a smartphone they'll will automatically charge the 30 and activate you if you activate a new phone - but it doesn't specify whether the "new" phone is purchased from them or just through a change in recognition via the SIM.
When I looked at my account in January there isn't an option to disable the data plan - used to be there - so I'm thinking you use a Smartphone you have to pay. Seem to me a class action lawsuit should be in the works. Many use the phone as a PDA and don't care if we have access 24/7.
Maybe if they upped their speeds and coverage for 3g while lowering the price say to 10 to 15 it would be worth it.

So I'm guessing it can't be done? darn. Damn AT&T!

Unlock it and use t-mobile; that may be your best bet.

i bought my fuze with no data plan so there shouldnt be a problem. as long as you didnt purchase where u received a discount for signing up for a data plan

I bought it used, and it automatically charged me

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I didnt have that problem with AT$T, actually.. i just recently put my wife's sim into my old fuze. with the exception of getting charged for unwanted data that got downloaded automatically, she has had no problems. she doesn't use the internet so it is fine. I just had AT&T block any data from her line. ( her line is no longer under contract, and i would like to keep it that way...)
I do actually have a question of my own... (didn't want to start a new thread)....
she does want to send and receive picture messages, we have unlimited messaging, but with the fuze you must have data in order to send or receive MMS. AT&T thinks she still has her old razr.
I would like to set her up with unlimited data plan for the razr, which is only like $10 per month, and was wondering if this would work with the fuze and what settings i might need to change to make it work.
thanks
keith

Sorry, but from how it looks now.. No you can't.. if you use Data, they will catch you that you are using a Fuze... the only "work around" I know is this... She can set up a yahoo, gmail, or simmilar account to just use with her phone... Then whenever she is in a WiFi area, she can send and receive picture email.. she can take the picture and compose them anytimes.. just has to wait to send them til she can use the WiFi.... MMS accounts can both send and receive with people who use email.... where they put in the send, instead of a phone number, they just put in an email address (go ahead, try it yourself, I know you want to )
As far as her sending her pictured emails to peoples phones, she just needs to know what carrier they use.. Then enter their #, and the rest of their
"email" address from this site : http://modmyi.com/wiki/index.php/MMS_Email_Addresses
She can avoid having to look up their address if the person who wants to share pictures with simply sends a message first to her phones email account using their phone... Then she just simple has to reply I know this is probally not the answer you were looking for, but it woudl work and save you having to pay the $35 for AT&T PDA Data....

I've never had a problem not having a data plan on my account. I bought it refurbished from AT&T and there was no data plan required for activation. I even temporarily added a data plan, then took it off again the next day just last month. I was never hassled or given the run-around at any point. Maybe you should just try changing the IMEI back to the Fuze and see what happens. It might also be a good idea to install NoData and disable the two data connections first, just so it never tries to connect.

I also dont want a data plan( cant afford it). My question is how can i make it not use wap for internet and only use wifi, when i do need it to receive data for mms. Thats included in my messaging plan but I have par per use internet and media net. I want to make sure that it doesnt connect to the network for internet or media net and I can only do internet through wifi. How do I do this? I tried just turning data off but it automatically turned back on when i hit the browser. How do i make it only use wifi? Thanks

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I also dont want a data plan( cant afford it). My question is how can i make it not use wap for internet and only use wifi, when i do need it to receive data for mms. Thats included in my messaging plan but I have par per use internet and media net. I want to make sure that it doesnt connect to the network for internet or media net and I can only do internet through wifi. How do I do this? I tried just turning data off but it automatically turned back on when i hit the browser. How do i make it only use wifi? Thanks
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You can always get a data block on your plan, so when you accidentally try to use data, it wont connect, thus making ATT not know you have a PDA... therefore wifi is the best and only option!

kmartin888 said:
I didnt have that problem with AT$T, actually.. i just recently put my wife's sim into my old fuze. with the exception of getting charged for unwanted data that got downloaded automatically, she has had no problems. she doesn't use the internet so it is fine. I just had AT&T block any data from her line. ( her line is no longer under contract, and i would like to keep it that way...)
I do actually have a question of my own... (didn't want to start a new thread)....
she does want to send and receive picture messages, we have unlimited messaging, but with the fuze you must have data in order to send or receive MMS. AT&T thinks she still has her old razr.
I would like to set her up with unlimited data plan for the razr, which is only like $10 per month, and was wondering if this would work with the fuze and what settings i might need to change to make it work.
thanks
keith
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I used to have an old Samsung flip that I actually flipped into two pieces. When I replaced it with a used Blackjack I simply went into AT&T and had them add the $30 MEdia Net package (Unlimited Data, Unlimited Msgs) because it showed that I still had the old Samsung flip. I had been using my Blackjack for about 2 months and there was no recognition. Now I'm using the Fuze with no problem. As long as your plan doesn't show that you are using a smartphone (IE you bought one from them) then you should be ok. I've been doing this for over a year with no problems.

In the same boat. Just bought a Rhodium & I'm wondering what I can use my Fuze for. I wanna give it to my dad whose line has no data, or use it as a back-up and cancel my handset insurance. Can I switch between devices on my sim which has a data plan? Can I use it as a wi-fi only browsing device(my Tilt 2 won't connect via wi-fi, it seems, the SIM having never been installed)? I could try data block on the account or data block software & put his SIM in. I thought the rationale for the data plan requirement was that the company could only make a profit, while subsidizing the price of these devices, by charging more than a fee for monthly voice service over the term of the contract and that, after the contract, the device is now mine(not rendered useless as even a phone should one not have a data plan), free and clear, to do with as I wish, or at least to use wi-fi without a plan(like my Tilt 2 is not doing)

When I got my FUZE in April, 2009 the saleswoman said that I could cancel the data plan in 6 months.. Online there was never an option to disable the data plan so I called and had it canceled that way. Now that it was canceled though, online does show that there is an option of no data plan. I bet though if I re-added the data plan that disable option will disappear again.
You can use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=610657
to block your data from ever being used. I use this to turn off AT&T ISP GPRS and MEdia Net. You can still send/receive texts and go online through WiFi.
@TheGlowingCurve, I don't believe just being an unlocked phone helps, my previous phones are all unlocked now but if I put my SIM in them again, att.com immediately changes my account's phone picture and model to the phone the SIM card is in. They know ALL about what phone you're using.
EDIT: I've never understood the relevance of http://www.htcclassaction.org/ to the Raphael. That site says there is no 3D acceleration or acceleration of videos and whatnot but of course there is acceleration. There is an ATI driver cab and it allows running of 3D programs like Diamond Hologram and COD2, not to mention TouchFLO3D and Sense UI. I don't even think that driver cab is needed because I honestly don't even install it. Video acceleration may not work in CorePlayer, but the solution is easy, don't use CorePlayer! The included Windows Media Player and Album programs are both accelerated and capable of playing H264 videos smoothly. The problems mentioned in http://www.htcclassaction.org/ have nothing to do with our phone and in the site's updates (which are all at least 2 years old!) it even says the Touch Diamond at release had 3D capabilities already.
I'm pretty sure your issues with the FUZE have to do with WM itself, not with HTC's phone.

I too had a tilt, but i put the sim card in teh new fuze i bought. Both of my phones have no data.
I got some bull**** out of them in december when i asked. But i called in the other day, and it was like oh yeah np. No more data.
Because i was a cingular customer im grandfathered in. If you had a PDA prior to november of last year, you also are grandfathered in.
dont take no for an answer.
Just to be clear, ive now shut data off and turned it on on the fuze alone 6 times. LOL

freekquency said:
I too had a tilt, but i put the sim card in teh new fuze i bought. Both of my phones have no data.
I got some bull**** out of them in december when i asked. But i called in the other day, and it was like oh yeah np. No more data.
Because i was a cingular customer im grandfathered in. If you had a PDA prior to november of last year, you also are grandfathered in.
dont take no for an answer.
Just to be clear, ive now shut data off and turned it on on the fuze alone 6 times. LOL
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So you bought the FUZE after November of last year?
Did you have to call them each time to shut down the data plan? Is the charge for that prorated?

lol so now that AT&T removed their unlimited data plan and introduced limited data plans, what happens with future smart phones? Will AT&T require the higher priced data plan?
EDIT: http://gizmodo.com/5555561/hey-att-we-want-rollover-bytes

i just got a fuze from the MP and bam less than 3 hours after taking my sim card out of my pantech impact which had the unlim data and text on our family plan ..they nailed me for the fuze and changed me to the 25 dollar smartphone plan .... should i switch back to the impact and just tell them i was fixing a freinds phone and shut off the data connection on the fuze and get the 30 dollar plan again or wont it work

Using the Fuze with no data plan and using WiFi.
Well there's actually some things to keep in mind here. Being that I have had some experience with AT&T smartphones for busiensses, I know that this is a sore spot to their network users. If you're using a PDA and haven't switched the IMEI online, you're bound to receive a bill from AT&T if you're using the WAP settings from the stock AT&T ROM build. To get around this, unlock your SIM, change the IMEI online, use NoData, and set up your phone to search and prompt you for WiFi hotspots. Turn the phone off or to Airplane mode also from the connection manager. There are plenty that are free once you're in their area, or near an open private WIFI network area. Simply connect, and send all of your data via Wifi connections. This will keep the device from auto-detecting the AT&T WAP and/or using the WAP settings.
One extra step that I take is to erase your WAP data completely from the connection manager so that it's not automatically recognizing the AT&T network settings. You can then choose your settings when needed using any GSM network anywhere in the world, but be careful! This can be expensive if you're not watching your settings. Unlocking your SIM is a MUST! If you're smart, you can set up a T-Mobile prepay account to use the partner(AT&T) GSM network when needed, if needed. This will normally cost you $.99 per day to use.
I hope this helps you better understand the WAP settings. One note.....trash the stock AT&T ROM for one that you'll find here on this site. There have been many that have worked hard to modify this device so that you can fully experience the device fully.

ok i bought my fuze from someone here at xda and he wasnt sure if it is unlocked or not
how can i find out i dont have access to a tmobile sim ..how do i change the imei online
and if i dont have a data connection will the time and weather still update and im using Tael rom ..the weird thing is i had a fuze that got stolen that i was using on the 30 dollar unlimited plan that i singed up for in feb2010 when i got service them and got the samsung impression free then switched to my fuze and they never caught on but like i said in my post above when my gf hooked us up on the family plan with the impacts ..when i switched to my new fuze they got me quick ..and this fuze is setup the same way as my previuos fuze

G1 no data plan on t-mobile?

Hello all, I'm a total noob here, sorry for that. I'm about to buy a used G1 off a friend, and all I want to do is make calls, text message, and use the internet over wi-fi. I don't have a data plan and don't care to get one, I spend 99% of my time in range of a wi-fi network that I have access to, but I want to know, what exactly do I have to do to make it work? Or can I just take the sim out of my working t-mobile phone and put it in?
As its a used phone it is already activated, I understand that can cause issues with no data plan, but is there anything else I will need to do?
I would be comfortable rooting it if needed as I may be new to android but know a little about computers (windows and linux).
Also, after I get it working, and this is my main concern, is there any way I can be charged for internet access? Meaning if I hit the internet button on accident or something and I'm not on a wi-fi network, will I incur data charges? I don't have a data plan because I don't want to pay for it, so additional charges would kinda completely nullify the whole reason I'm doing this.
Thanks everybody.

Not sure about the other questions but I don't have a data plan and I never get charged for it if I hit the browser. If you're not connected via wifi then it will just go to a page saying you need to upgrade your plan.

well I think you answered my other questions indirectly, you said if you have wifi you get the internet, which is exactly what I needed to know, and thanks for letting me know it just tells you to upgrade your plan, I was worried it would somehow connect anyway and charge me.
Well, I pick up the phone tomorrow, hopefully it works out.

I was in the same situation as you are, and I never got charged for data, but if you do a factory reset on the G1, it would be easier if you had a sim with some sort of data plan, so you can sign to your gmail account. I just borrowed a friends and signed in, it only takes a minute or two.

ok, so after I get this thing, I will not be able to factory reset it without a data plan? thats good to know.
what about if i update the software, or root it?

Without a data plan on the stock rom (after a factory reset), you will not be able to sign into your Google account. You will receive a message somewhere along the lines of "your sim card isn't provisioned for data" and a "try again" button, thus locking you out of the phone.
On many custom ROMs[requires root], there's a "skip" option (not an option on stock ROM) when prompted to sign into your Google account, so if you do root it, you can flash away and sign into your account after you turn on WiFi.
I personally put a "data block" on my phone line as I am in a similar situation as you, but might be a little more paranoid about unwanted charges.
Good luck, and always read instructions three times, from top to bottom. Unless its the Haykuro/Danger/Death SPL, then make sure you read the instructions at least 7 times

I thought the way around the little green buddy was to tap all 4 corners in a clockwise motion to get into the phone? it worked on my moto droid when i had it.

I think t-mo just blocks data if you don't have a data plan, at last thats what they do now, I just haven't gotten my G1 yet and have never had any sort of smart/internet enabled phone and didn't know if it would access the internet anyways.
As for rooting it as I said I have worked out a deal but don't have the phone yet and this is my first android experience, so I have a bit of reading to do.
Thanks everybody for your replies.

thetacowarrior said:
ok, so after I get this thing, I will not be able to factory reset it without a data plan? thats good to know.
what about if i update the software, or root it?
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I've never had a data plan and have reset my phone before. You can root/activate the phone without a data plan. There's a guide on here that I followed. Good luck!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316

ok one last thing, I'm supposed to get the phone today, (very excited) I read on somewhere that you can get the really cheap non-3g data plan and most things will still work, just slower. has anybody tried this? its only 9.99 compared to 29.99. I could live with 9.99.
thanks everybody for your help, i'm learning alot.

They offer an edge data plan? I don't know if it will work (though it should). It may possibly require some APN setting changes.