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I wanted to ask a simple question do we know if the NBH updates are signed or not?
I am working on a hybrid to get root back on RC30s phones.
Please if anybody knows the answer to this.
(I have something done already but dont have any stock rc30s to test with.
The file changes are good and the nbh works as modified however it works on an engeniring bootloader because it doesn't check signatures. humbug
http://rapidshare.com/files/176990405/DreamIMGTest.html
From what it sounds like they are signed, by htc themselves. But I have a stock rc30 and I'll try it.
Freaking rapidshare is slow uploading now.
afbcamaro said:
I wanted to ask a simple question do we know if the NBH updates are signed or not?
I am working on a hybrid to get root back on RC30s phones.
Please if anybody knows the answer to this.
(I have something done already but dont have any stock rc30s to test with.
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I would be happy to test. I have a couple of stock rc30s that can be used.
afbcamaro said:
I wanted to ask a simple question do we know if the NBH updates are signed or not?
I am working on a hybrid to get root back on RC30s phones.
Please if anybody knows the answer to this.
(I have something done already but dont have any stock rc30s to test with.
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The first 256 bytes of the nbh is the signature.
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The first 256 bytes of the nbh is the signature.
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so question to you....if we know where the signature is, would there be a way to apply the signature to an NBH that we create? if creating one is possible.
Sure, you can change the signature, but how are you going to generate it? Do you have the keys from HTC? If not, might as well give up now
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so question to you....if we know where the signature is, would there be a way to apply the signature to an NBH that we create? if creating one is possible.
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Don't think you quite understand how signatures are created. You can't just toss a signature off one Android version on to another.
Damn I see the signature!!
A mute point then here is the file anyways.
http://rapidshare.com/files/176990405/DreamIMGTest.html
The file changes are good and the nbh works as modified however it works on an engeniring bootloader because it doesn't check signatures humbug
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Don't think you quite understand how signatures are created. You can't just toss a signature off one Android version on to another.
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i do understand that, just some tiny bit of hope...i know that signatures are based on filesize and name and content and all that.....
What about swapping sd cards when the signature is read?
Just an idea.
It seems the bloody bootloader dumps the files straight into RAM before it flashes them making the sd swap impossible or at least difficult. It seems the next step is jtag, but this will not be within the realm of the average user or even advanced user.
Freaking T-mobile and HTC, I really hate their signing crap. They should have at least made the bootloader not read freaking signature hashes.
Im still looking at the file itself to see if their can be any exploits. The bootloader is closed source so there is no way to know easily when the check is actually done, or the update process itself handled
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Freaking T-mobile and HTC, I really hate their signing crap. They should have at least made the bootloader not read freaking signature hashes.
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Let's try to keep the heated opinions to a minimum. Google has already clearly stated that locked root is working as intended for the G1 as per HTC and T-Mo's specifications. This forum is for discussing active development issues, not debating the merits of Android implementation on Dream.
My friend trust me I AM actively working towards development on this device. I don't however need a father lecture on it (especially on a silly comment). I understand T-mobiles and Googles position and respect it. I understand how you feel and it would be well warranted if you were talking with a newbie that does nothing towards xda-developers goals, i however Im not.
If I decide to vent lightly then that is my prerogative, i am not debating anything here simply a frustrated rant since ive been working all day of and on, on this.
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Anyways..
Has anybody started to trace for jtags yet?
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Anyways..
Has anybody started to trace for jtags yet?
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That's a little early don't you think? I don't want to solder my precious phone. It's all big corporations' fault.
Stupid T-Mobile.
LOL @ coolbho3000
Damn corporations
Thank you for taking things lightly and having fun!
I believe jashsu posted a diagram or pic showing the disassembled view of the device and possible points of attack. I don't think either of you meant any harm in your posts but text doesn't quite relay emotion properly. Great work by you both and please keep posting in these forums as I look forward to both of your contributions and appreciate what you've already done.
ashslay
Thank you for your understanding
Im looking at my phone right now disasembled. lets see what we can get
Thanks again
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It seems the bloody bootloader dumps the files straight into RAM before it flashes them making the sd swap impossible or at least difficult. It seems the next step is jtag, but this will not be within the realm of the average user or even advanced user.
Freaking T-mobile and HTC, I really hate their signing crap. They should have at least made the bootloader not read freaking signature hashes.
Im still looking at the file itself to see if their can be any exploits. The bootloader is closed source so there is no way to know easily when the check is actually done, or the update process itself handled
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are you good at ARM assembly (or any other cpu assembly is fine, once you know one, you know all ) and do you have a good understanding of how overflow etc exploits works - if yes, PM me it would be nice to work together.
I was just thinking... someone could write up an application that does the following:
It verifies you are running RC29. If not, it directs you to the sticky post on xda-developers (or sends you an email with the link).
The application contains a modified/rooted recovery image.
The application tells the user to type "telnetd" + enter.
Once telnetd is running, it telnets into localhost and automatically remounts the /system partition, and replaces the recovery image.
For noobs, it would trivialize a lot of the difficulty of rooting.
I'm pretty busy porting native applications and Mono to work with Android (almost done though!) but wanted to just throw this idea out there for someone else to pick up.
I can also provide source code for my Telnet client that is currently used to do the rooting. That would make a good starting point.
Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did
Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.
I think this would be VERY helpful for those ignorant idiots who post on root-only apps and rate them down because they don't know how to operate Google.
Also, I think it should include an option to download the DREAMIMG.NBH file and put it in the root so that RC30 users can downgrade.
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Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did
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The thing is, this is exactly why the Android market is supposed to be better than the AppStore. There is no "official approval" process. Apps can get taken down if they are malicious, but as long as a developer has paid their $25, their apps can go straight to the Market.
I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.
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I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.
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Root access is protected by Superuser.
Koush said:
Root access is protected by Superuser.
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I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?
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I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?
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It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates
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It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates
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ah then I retract all previous statements dam newbs always spouting off thinking they know everything
"root kit" is kind of an unfortunate name, don't ya think ;-)
Also, it seems like Google could certainly pull the download for violating Dev Distribution Agreement Section 4.4:
Prohibited Actions. You agree that you will not engage in any activity with the Market, including the development or distribution of Products, that interferes with, disrupts, damages, or accesses in an unauthorized manner the devices, servers, networks, or other properties or services of any third party including, but not limited to, Android Users, Google or any mobile network operator.
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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I'd cancel my account
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
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So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
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if they are too scared they shouldn't have root in the first place. You won't understand what Superuser is truly asking of you and give the wrong application permission then Tmobile will have an influx of calls about "damaged phones."
Busy people have friends like us that can always barter something out of them, just add to the long list of favors.
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So just post the app online without putting it on the Market.
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My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.
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My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.
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i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
coolbho3000 said:
Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.
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It might even be possible to do a force reboot into bootloader. I know how to force-reboot into recovery, but I'm not sure if a similar method can force-reboot into the bootloader.
F the market, its a place for kids to hang out and yell "First" when their 3rd. What joke the Market has been. Cant get an honest review anymore, its all about Obama, gays, being first, and lack of "good games". Nobody even cares that the app says "this is only a test, you probably shouldnt download it", they do and leave bad reviews. Idiots.
If something like this comes to fruition, make them come HERE for it, so their asses can be banned for being chilish
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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If i had a nickel for every noob that spammed the board right now...
I really like the idea of putting it all in one complete package with as little user input as possible, but I don't think that the Android Market would be a suitable place to put it. People who don't even know what root is shouldn't have it offered to them. They should at least have to know enough to Google "root on android" and maybe be lead to one of our threads containing the link to this kit. If it goes on the market I would suggest not branding it in any way.
I support the root package idea in any case.
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i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
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One of the issues for some people is that there *are* a lot of posts. To get from point A to point B I had to read through one sticky on how to downgrade to RC29, complete with many pages of replies in order to get a handle on possible problems and solutions, then another sticky on flashing to modified recovery image so that I could find how to install the test keys, then another stick on upgrading to JF1.3, again with many pages of replies with potential errors and solutions, and then I realized I hadn't done the engineering bootloader yet so I had to find another sticky to read through.
I did it, and it was easy, but, wanting to be safe, I had to spend several hours paging through stickies in order to make sure I had a good grasp on the whole picture.
I would not have minded having the process automated a bit. I know what I'm doing and I could have used that time for other things.
Additionally, I think it would cut down on questions from n00bs going step-by-step through stickies and making basic errors. Because right now they're still going to go through the stickies and make dumb mistakes and ask the same questions, and of that only a small fraction will understand what they're doing and take an interest in how bootloaders and recovery images work and become the sort of users that should have root.
As it is now, I don't see the stickies as being much of a barrier to entry for those who don't know what they're doing and might brick their phones. They're doing it anyway. Might as well give them something to do it for them so they don't brick the phone right off the bat, and don't flood forums with posts about encountering errors cause by typing errors.
Just my $0.02!
I'm so fed up with roms on the g2x but ok lets get beyond that...
I've noticed some builds don't have the user agent string baked into the browser so you have to use the about:debug method which does not hold nor work properly.
I'm wondering if there's any other file i can edit to work around this...framework file by chance? Help appreciated
Why not just try a different Browser.apk?
have grabbed browser apk's from multiple builds that have the option and it working, fixed permissions and such and replaced the file but upon opening they all force close
jae-v said:
have grabbed browser apk's from multiple builds that have the option and it working, fixed permissions and such and replaced the file but upon opening they all force close
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Have you tried installing it via ADB?
jae-v said:
I'm so fed up with roms on the g2x but ok lets get beyond that...
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Then you build and compile your own custom rom that has all the features you want/need in it. People should be thankful for whatever custom work has been done on the phone. Since the roms were developed at no cost to you, and you have a choice whether you want to use it or not; you don't really have the right to be "fed up" with the roms out there.
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Then you build and compile your own custom rom that has all the features you want/need in it. People should be thankful for whatever custom work has been done on the phone. Since the roms were developed at no cost to you, and you have a choice whether you want to use it or not; you don't really have the right to be "fed up" with the roms out there.
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+1
I see so many people complaining about the ROM development on this phone... But people need to realize that people have lives outside of XDA, and Android Development. haha
FWIW and you guys should see, i've been a contributing member on this site for quite some time now, i donate to developers and i'm not some ungreatful kid, i'm an adult with a serious unique question...if neither of you can help me i would appreciate it if you could take your negative connotations out.
I will find a way to decompile the apk, edit the uastring, and then recompile.
jae-v said:
FWIW and you guys should see, i've been a contributing member on this site for quite some time now, i donate to developers and i'm not some ungreatful kid, i'm an adult with a serious unique question...if neither of you can help me i would appreciate it if you could take your negative connotations out.
I will find a way to decompile the apk, edit the uastring, and then recompile.
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My post wasn't directed towards you in anyway. Sorry if I offended to you, and I thank you for contributing to this forum.
May I ask what ROM you're running?
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Hi All
For a while I've being trying to learn the art of themming by example. Like Curious George, I try browsing the diverse works and learn from them. Unfortunately I've found some glitches that could be corrected with simple and quick actions.
Let's see one example extracted from a "XDA Recognized Themer" distribution package:
ZIP Size: 117 Mb
Unpacked: 144 Mb
"Thumbs.db": 132 files accounting for 77 Mb
53% of the distribution are useless junk files that are being flashed on users devices. This is wrong!
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We all know that themming is hard, laborious and a huge time consuming. Nevertheless is important that we do take care about what we are distributing. There are cases too where graphics that never existed on that app are being injected.
My shallow knowledge on android app's don't give me any authority to say but it I wonder if this injections are increasing the apps footprint on memory/caches slowing down the systems.
Addendum 1
The increase of app's size has been already corroborated with this experiment. At moment, lasts the question if this can be harmful indeed. For devices with limited memory space, wouldn't this compromise the system performance?
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As pat of the research, the following question was made and with the usual supportiveness, Master @JustArchi provided the final enlightenment to the matter
[KERNEL DEV ANALYSIS] Does 'Junked' APKs Affects Performance ?
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APK is some kind of an archive, which contains precompiled source (classes.dex) and resources (resources.arsc and everything else).
Not-loaded parts of the archive (f.e. thumbs.db) are not affecting ram, neither performance because Android doesn't load them at all.
In the best scenario, apk may load a bit longer, but this "a bit" is less than 0.1 sec. This is ONLY due to uncompressing apk needed for loading classes and resources.
So yeah, mostly we're talking about storage space here.
Hope it helps .
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Addendum 3
Motivated by this assumption, a tiny tool to help developers and users get their themes clean of these files, was developed:
[THEME][TOOL WIN][DEV & END-USER] The Dethumber™ Pro (as seen on TV)
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Conclusion
As the matter were previously plainly unknown, just this shallow discussion has been suffice to enlighten the main points and create a piece of the knowledge base that future developers may consider useful.
We could determine that:
> "Thumbs.db" like files are been created by unnoticed themers using the Windows operating system and distributed inside their theme packages.
> Users are flashing these files without noticing their existence.
> Villain Flash System (vrtheme) is the most used tool by themers to distribute their works and, as expected, insert those files into the apk's regardless their previous existence. A fork project Universal Theme Flasher can the desired behaviour but ONLY if the UFT.config flag CLEAN_MORPHING is set to YES.
> As previously stated, what regard devices performance there is no perceivable compromise.
> Until the quality of the releases improves, the problem is restrict to storage and distribution sizes.
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So, if you really care about your "customers" please take this problem seriously. It won't take you more than 30 seconds to correct.
Source and Solutions to the problem:
Wikipedia: Windows thumbnail cache
What are Thumbs.db Files and Can I Delete Them?
How to Switch Off the Thumbs.db Image Cache File in Windows
Users: Please reinforce this information with your fellow Theme Developer to guarantee the quality of the work you are receiving. The voice of the customer can and will make the difference.
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Nice regards and good work.
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Kdio said:
"Thumbs.db": 132 files accounting for 77 Mb
53% of the distribution are useless junk files that are being flashed on users devices. This is wrong!
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I've already seen these files within several themes here on the forum ... I thought it was OK.
Will try to pay more attention on what I'm flashing on mu device.
Tks for the notice.
Just my two cents here....now a days a Theme is almost never for a single device. what is redundant to you is actually themable and frequently used in another phone, say the GN3.
Now, when a themer makes a theme, he won't work separately on SGS4 and the GN3, or the Xperia Z and the ZL,ZR etc. He will release a composite theme for all.
Heres my solution since you have taken so much pain to actually unzip and look into the themables, use some photo editing software (like paint.net, if you want a lightweight alternative) to chalk out the unneeded themed pngs and chuck them out (or delete them altogether) and then clear off the vr-theme data from your internal memory.
this is just my opinion.
and oh, another thing! the themers here are no "VENDORS".The themers devote time for "free" and mostly as a hobby. so, in case something is not liked, taking the theme and modifying to the liking is the optimal solution.
just my two cents, have been around xda for quite sometime and felt like something to be said here.
sorry if I bothered someone, didn't mean to.
regards,
Achyut.
Hi achyut
Tks a lot for your words. As a xda rule of thumb, this is and always will be an open discussion and every different opinion is important.
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now a days a Theme is almost never for a single device. what is redundant to you is actually themable and frequently used in another phone, say the GN3.
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This is not the central point but I'm really skeptical on submitting to my users things that will never be used. Just to illustrate, it's like you bought a brand new S4 and the seller gives you a wonderful S3 cover. What's for? That is junk for you and you will get rid of it as soon as possible. That's just my point and, as I've said, theming is difficult.
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... since you have taken so much pain to actually unzip and look into the themables, ...
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Think you misunderstood me. I don't call it "pain". I call it learning.
achyut said:
use some photo editing software (like paint.net, if you want a lightweight alternative) to chalk out the unneeded themed pngs and chuck them out (or delete them altogether) and then clear off the vr-theme data from your internal memory.
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I do prefer Gimp but I think that again you misunderstood me. I don't browse others themers works to copy. It's just learning. You may, if you wish, verify that on my attempts on theming.
achyut said:
and oh, another thing! the themers here are no "VENDORS".The themers devote time for "free" and mostly as a hobby. so, in case something is not liked, taking the theme and modifying to the liking is the optimal solution.
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Third time but this is on me. I didn't quite made myself clear to you.
What I've meant about "Customers" is the approach you have with your users. The work I do here on xda is completely altruist as I do have the support from my outside paid Customers. Nevertheless, I do interact with my xda users as they were real Customers because as a 50 years old IT engineer, I can't deal with them differently (don't know how to). This is my point of view but isn't the main subject here.
If you could express yourself about the "Thumbs.db" files problem, I would be very thankful.
Nice regards.
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@op (kdio):
I'll reply to you here instead of by pm (sorry I have no time for myself these days...)
The thumbs.db problem you've seen -where more than half the packaged theme data consists of those Microsoft thumbnails database files- is just plain unbelievable to me. How can someone -who is surely an experienced themer in making a 100MB+ theme- not realize this issue? I wonder.
Anyhow, I do agree to a certain extent with achyut in the sense we should not complain too much about stuff that is given to us for free. I'm not accusing you to do so, but posting this post at three different places on xda and addressing the issue in a general/public way might not be the best way to tackle the issue.
Btw, I remember while being at my very firsts steps in theming, I did post something very similar on a popular xda theme engine guide thread (I might have deleted it since though - will look for link later..) : suggesting the author to add a note on the OP about those files and how to remove them. Well, no one on that thread cared to reply/comment on it - like if it was a non-issue... So I gave up thinking that it only bothered me....
Themes are usually not open-source and are just shared "as is". They are also much easier to "inspect" than apks and having a look at/into whatever we install on our phones is surely a good practice and also always highly advisable... And so is accepting users' critics and bug reports positively for the themers/developers.
So that was going to be my suggestion to you anyway: whenever something like this is noted, it would be better to first try to see with the themer if this can be corrected. If that turns out to be unsuccessful or ignored, one could then try to ask a forum moderator and ask his/her view on it. Maybe, he/she can then add a special note/warning on the theme's OP or take any other action they might deem appropriate in the circumstances.
Again, I do not want to go against what you've done here; I understand that you have good intentions. But I think that there's no need to tackle this fight globally and singlehandedly; better go on a case by case basis.
The good news is that I believe that thumbs.db files will 'eventually' not be an issue with themes. I'd have to triple check this, but I believe that since I've switched to Windows 8, I no longer have to delete those files before compiling my personal theme and I haven't seen any such files within my signed apk either...
Anyhow, long answer for not much valuable input from me in the end, but that's how I see it anyway...
Good luck, happy new year and keep on theming!!
Cheers,
/AL
[to all: please do not full-quote my long posts - ty]
Hi @[] AL []
Thank you very much for yours valuable words. From my view it's a milestone reached.
Before posting here, For a long time I'm trying to elucidate this issue. My first action was on 30th July when I've posted this question regarding exactly the same issue. No answers (0). I've tried too PM's to the dev's and even posting in the respective threads. I've just got these effectless responses (same as you've did):
I mean no harm.
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I don't see them.
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Next step, as you've suggested, I've PM'ed 2 Recognized users (one was you) about the issue and this thread was only opened after I've been suggested to. Placed those 3 because S3 and S4 forums are where I have my relationships and it would be nice to the 'buddies'. Android Theme is the main. Nevertheless, there are only few cross-forum-readers in here so...
Please, be welcome to, if considered inappropriate, delete these threads. I, by myself, know what is happening and would never flash something like this on my devices. My main concern is with the ones with shallow knowledge that will continue blind to the matter. As we both had already experienced, no one is given a damn to it.
Just forgive an old man that after 28 years as a software developers struggling hard to create quality code, thought that the professionalism should had already permeated all the IT world. I was wrong.
Even if this thread goes off, please keep my sincerely thanks.
Nice regards.
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OFF TOPIC
Just wanna place 2 question here to all IT workers ... no need for answers as this should be considered OT
- Call Can we really be foolish as this with IT resources ?
- Can't we learn a bit from the mess we did with the real life ?
Nice regards.
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@Kdio:
Well, I didn't know that you did try to ask the themers and that they did nothing about it. Saying that they don't see them tells me that they must know ****e about many things... Might be worth to try again by explaining them how to show Windows hidden and system protected files this time....
I'm curious to see such a theme; any link you could give me?
Regarding the 3 identical posts, I do not care much about that; I've just mentioned it because this is part of xda guidelines and so is the one suggesting to not take matters in our own hands. Although, that last one is more intended for times when there are disagreements/arguments between users.
What I suggested you to contact a thread moderator, not recognised users. Recognized themers and contributors have no special authority or powers here; they're just regular users that have been nominated by their fellow members as 'special' participants. There is nothing more that they can do other than preaching by example...
To contact a mod, the easiest way is to view the incriminating thread on a desktop browser and hit the top right button "report" while on the OP. You can then explain what the issue is and see what the moderator will choose to do about it.
I checked again earlier while updating my theme, and again on Win8, I do not see any such files. Does that explain the answers you got from the themer? I don't know but that's one more reason why I'm curious to download such a theme to find out. But if the files are in there, I'd guess that they did use WinXP or something prior to Win8 anyway as those ought to be created before the theme is compiled....
I'm kind of worry though about the very few (and the kind of) responses you got; what would it be if it was malware included? People would also keep a blind eye? Scarry!! But I have to say that lately I did see a xda moderator closing down a custom rom thread until further revew over concerns of included spyware/adware... So my suggestion still holds and it shows they (mods) do care about (and can act upon) such issue...
Nevertheless, it's nice to see that some people worry about such issues (so thanks for that) and I hope that your journey will bring positive results... even if it has to be one themer at a time...
/AL
[] AL [] said:
Might be worth to try again by explaining them how to show Windows hidden and system protected files this time...
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It's at OP
[] AL [] said:
I'm curious to see such a theme; any link you could give me?
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PM'ed you ... but it got worst ... now the distribution package is composed of 67% of those useless junkies
[] AL [] said:
What I suggested you to contact a thread moderator, ...
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Sent you a Moderator thread with those junkies too ... Should this be considered a dead end ?
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I checked again earlier while updating my theme, and again on Win8, ...
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Sorry AL but I don't quite see this as an solution. Shall we wait untill then ?
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I'm kind of worry though about the very few (and the kind of) responses you got;
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I'm frighten dude. The 3 thread together sum 876 views and we've got only these replies here !!! The only themer that, al least, thanked the OP was @HS™ !!! (not even you !!! )
But I'm confident that, as the matter had never been openly addressed here on xda, at least now it has. Not for my profile but sure it will be good for the community.
And one more thought: One would never accept useless parts inside his device. This same one would never accept an app with junk code inside. Why themes should be different?
For a long time I've been seeing here on xda the incubation of great developers. So I ask myself how these theme designers are being prepared to the professional world. Will they, in their future works, act like that or this disregard for a minimum quality control is just the result of the gratuity?
Nice regards.
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I hope that your journey will bring positive results...
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Hi [] AL [] and all
Just to let you all know that I've just released a tool to windows themers that somewhat can be useful on this matter:
[THEME][TOOL WINDOWS][FREE] The Dethumber™ Pro (as seen on TV)
Nice regards.
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Hello mr. @Kdio
I see all your post since#1 and love your response and your objective to help everyone get rid of some junks away from their work (themer) or their phone (users)
Want to thank you for this. And hope you will keep on. I will tell all my friends to see this thread .
best regards..
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Hello mr. @Kdio
I see all your post since#1 and love your response and your objective to help everyone get rid of some junks away from their work (themer) or their phone (users)
Want to thank you for this. And hope you will keep on. I will tell all my friends to see this thread .
best regards..
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Hi pas2001
Your words are very appreciated and makes me believe that there will be some light at the end of the tunnel.
I've been following your amazing work with batts and boot animations so, these words coming from you are a real honour for me.
Thank you very much sir.
Nice regards.
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There is a point that needs to be made here, while I agree that everyone wants to and should be flashing clean error free files, whether its PNG.9s or XMLS.........
BUT regarding "junk files" or files that are not needed, it doesn't really matter to much if your using VRTheme (which most of us do), this method will only flash files that match stock system files, you could have 100 useless PNGS for example but unless they match the stock ones they will simply be overlooked by the script and wont flash, this method causes way less errors and makes it almost universal too (excluding xmls of course).
A themer should really tidy his files up (no excuse for 100 files dragged over from another device theme for example) but the only real downside, apart from been untidy would be the actual size of the file and the extra unnecessary time it takes to download.
Just a side note, Im going to move this to general soon as only actual themes or apps are allowed in this sub forum.
Very nice topic thread though :good:
Hi Rixta
Thank you for your supportive words.
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BUT regarding "junk files" or files that are not needed, it doesn't really matter to much if your using VRTheme (which most of us do), this method will only flash files that match stock system files, you could have 100 useless PNGS for example but unless they match the stock ones they will simply be overlooked by the script and wont flash, this method causes way less errors and makes it almost universal too (excluding xmls of course).
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I would like to suggest the below experiment:
1) Download View attachment Thumbs.Experiment.zip. It contains one lonely "Thumbs.db" file with 1 byte long inside SystemUI.apk\drawable\drawable-xxhdpi
2) Flash the file
3) After reboot, take a look at that folder inside SystemUI.apk.
Can you confirm the above behaviour ?
Looking at my devices result, unfortunately seems that vrTheme should but is not that smart.
Anything given to vrtheme will be injected regardless previous existence. As so, all those 'junk' (mostly Thumbs.db) files are indeed been flashed to users devices.
As I've said before, after working 28 years as a software developer, I'm unable to call this different than a severe error.
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If your argumentation was valid, we will be unable to implement 1% battery awareness as vrtheme would not be capable of flashing the complimentary icons (1, 2, 3...) as they were not previously inside SystemUI. So, vrtheme is right and does what it's meant to.
EDIT 2: With the amazing help of @xxmrgreenxx starting here, he pointed out that Universal Theme Flasher can have the behaviour you've mentioned but ONLY if the UFT.config flag CLEAN_MORPHING is set to YES.
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Just a side note, Im going to move this to general soon as only actual themes or apps are allowed in this sub forum.
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This would lead this theme matter to disappear under the ostracism but this is an moderator prerogative.
Nice regards.
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i found 259 *.db files im my theme.
great, Thanks
aki-saar said:
i found 259 *.db files im my theme.
great, Thanks
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wow
Kdio said:
Hi Rixta
Thank you for your supportive words.
I would like to suggest the below experiment:
1) Download View attachment 2552719. It contains one lonely "Thumbs.db" file with 1 byte long inside SystemUI.apk\drawable\drawable-xxhdpi
2) Flash the file
3) After reboot, take a look at that folder inside SystemUI.apk.
Can you confirm the above behaviour ?
Looking at my devices result, unfortunately seems that vrTheme should but is not that smart.
Anything given to vrtheme will be injected regardless previous existence. As so, all those 'junk' (mostly Thumbs.db) files are indeed been flashed to users devices.
As I've said before, after working 28 years as a software developer, I'm unable to call this different than a severe error.
EDIT: (sorry ... this came to mind lately)
If your argumentation was valid, we will be unable to implement 1% battery awareness as vrtheme would not be capable of flashing the complimentary icons (1, 2, 3...) as they were not previously inside SystemUI. So, vrtheme is right and does what it's meant to.
EDIT 2: With the amazing help of @xxmrgreenxx starting here, he pointed out that Universal Theme Flasher can have the behaviour you've mentioned but ONLY if the UFT.config flag CLEAN_MORPHING is set to YES.
This would lead this theme matter to disappear under the ostracism but this is an moderator prerogative.
Nice regards.
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Seems your right, very good and valid points.
We're going to allow this thread to stay in this forum
Thanks again.
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We're going to allow this thread to stay in this forum
Thanks again.
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Please pin it too if possible mate.
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Please pin it too if possible mate.
Sent from my GT-I9500 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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It doesn't warrant a sticky at the moment, I will of course review this in due course.
Thank you
Hi,
How can I disable the"Raise volume above safe level warning" and set my volume to the loudest volume?
The problem that I have is that the audio is too quiet when using the bluetooth in my car, so every time I have to reboot my phone I have to increase the volume, skip past the warning and then raise the volume.
This happens when I try and raise the volume with either Google Music or Dogg Catcher.
The problem is that due to my work, I have to keep my phone off so I go through this at least twice a day.
I had a search on the forums, but I couldn't find anything that was relevant to the Galaxy S6.
Thanks,
Dave
You have to root and load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
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You have to root and load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
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If you're rooting and editing files... why the need for a custom ROM?
flu13 said:
You have to root and load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
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Which file would it be? The popup is really annoying.
Oh bugger.
That's a shame, I'd prefer to not have to root the phone. I'll just have to live with it.
Thanks for your responses.
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If you're rooting and editing files... why the need for a custom ROM?
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Ummm....you know what the word "OR" means, right?
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Ummm....you know what the word "OR" means, right?
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I do, but without punctuation it's hard to tell what you're trying to say...
"You have to root and load a custom rom or edit the proper files."
could be
You have to root, and load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
or
You have to root, and load a custom rom, or edit the proper files.
or
You have to root and load a custom rom, or edit the proper files.
Why has no-one stated what actually needs to be done? I'm rooted, running Clean ROM, but can't figure out how to disable the volume warning. Would be nice if someone could provide info on it.
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I understood him just fine. "OR" being the keyword.
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"You have to root and load a custom rom or edit the proper files."
could be
You have to root, and load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
or
You have to root, and load a custom rom, or edit the proper files.
or
You have to root and load a custom rom, or edit the proper files.
Im glad you understood, but the sentence has 3 different meanings depending on how you interpret it. Hence why I asked.
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Smh.
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Uhh... Fatal is right. He should be shaking his head, not you. Lol
Saafir said:
I truly feel for both of you. I really do. >_<
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Don't be sad. You'll get it one day.
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I'm hardly sad about your inability to understand the simplest of responses. I'm sad that people like you two want to give other folks a hard time about grammar and/OR <-[keyword] punctuation. Troll elsewhere. Good day.
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Read the thread again, and then think real hard on who's giving who a hard time.
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Or we could view your posting history and realize that is all you do is give people a hard time like you have superior intelligence. Try contributing something constructive for once. This will be my last post as you've made the blocked list. Happy hunting.
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Jeeze... The irony in this one and a stalker. [emoji21]
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I'm hardly sad about your inability to understand the simplest of responses. I'm sad that people like you two want to give other folks a hard time about grammar and/OR <-[keyword] punctuation. Troll elsewhere. Good day.
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I'm not trolling, nor was I giving ANYONE a hard time. I asked a question, sue me. I then clarified why I asked the question because the "simplest of responses" can be taken different ways, sorry I don't think in the SAME EXACT way that you do.
Then you chew out Oliv3 for actually having some sense... "smh" Toxic, toxic, little man.
lol @ this thread
Wow, sheesh, I didn't mean to cause all of this emotional strife. For the record, you don't put a comma before a conjunction if the subject isn't repeated.
Example: You have to root, and you load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
But, yeah, I can see now that it was slightly ambiguous what I said. I probably should have said: You have to root, then load a custom rom or edit the proper files.
Again, sorry for dropping llama bait.
Wow, that is the perfect thread! I guess I'll have to look into Smali edits because everything I want to change is in Smali.
-_-
Just went thru 3 pages of useless irrelevant arguing. Really guys? SMH
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Just went thru 3 pages of useless irrelevant arguing. Really guys? SMH
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THIS, however, was super-helpful.
Look, it's my fault this thread went off the rails because of an ambiguous statement and then a tongue-in-cheek response which triggered more crazy. Nobody was harmed, we all had a little fun, and like a good after-school special, we all learned a little something - about ourselves, about XDA and about not believing that people in panel vans really have free candy.
Apologies again for causing all of the shenanigans. I feel like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP3X0dSV9kI