Hello Everybody
I want to know one important thing in this Android update drama for non Nexus mobile phones.
Previously, people was speculating that only because of heavy skinning, non Nexus Mobile Phones takes long time to release updates.
It has been shown recently that updating mobile phone maker's skin for a new version of Android takes very less time.
The recent claim being Operator takes big chunk of time in testing the updates before it being released.
But, few months ago i learnt one important information from an XDA member.
I was looking to update my AT&T Google Nexus S mobile phone to Jellybean.
But the update was not available then for my mobile phone.
So, one of the fellow XDA member converted an OTA delivered update to be installed in all GSM variants of Samsung Google Nexus S.
I asked him wouldn't it cause any compatibility issues when i install an update meant for unlocked mobile phone.
He told me that the update won't update the Baseband and even Google's all OTA based updates won't update baseband.
In this case, what for Mobile Operators are testing the updates?
Why not football4pda or any similar rom developers release their latest roms without updating baseband ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30373108
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superchilpil said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30373108
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It is a general discussion thread, not exactly a question and answer thread.
raddy said:
He told me that the update won't update the Baseband and even Google's all OTA based updates won't update baseband.
In this case, what for Mobile Operators are testing the updates?
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Not sure why you would find this relevant to the One X. Do you own a One X also? Every manufacturer does things differently, and every phone is a bit different.
At least for the AT&T One X, every single OTA has included a new baseband radio.
Aside from baseband, the carrier may be testing other things, like general stability and whether their carrier customizations have been properly implemented. And yes, AT&T has an awful reputation for delaying release of updates due to "testing".
raddy said:
Why not football4pda or any similar rom developers release their latest roms without updating baseband ?
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Custom ROMs are almost always designed to not affect the baseband radio. Often users will want to try different ROMs without changing the radio, since the best radio for reception is often geographically tied more than related to ROM compatibility.
raddy said:
Hello Everybody
I want to know one important thing in this Android update drama for non Nexus mobile phones.
Previously, people was speculating that only because of heavy skinning, non Nexus Mobile Phones takes long time to release updates.
It has been shown recently that updating mobile phone maker's skin for a new version of Android takes very less time.
The recent claim being Operator takes big chunk of time in testing the updates before it being released.
But, few months ago i learnt one important information from an XDA member.
I was looking to update my AT&T Google Nexus S mobile phone to Jellybean.
But the update was not available then for my mobile phone.
So, one of the fellow XDA member converted an OTA delivered update to be installed in all GSM variants of Samsung Google Nexus S.
I asked him wouldn't it cause any compatibility issues when i install an update meant for unlocked mobile phone.
He told me that the update won't update the Baseband and even Google's all OTA based updates won't update baseband.
In this case, what for Mobile Operators are testing the updates?
Why not football4pda or any similar rom developers release their latest roms without updating baseband ?
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There are two important differentiate facts between carrier branded phones and Google Nexus phones:
1. Phone manufacturers need to get Android source code. Customize it and include various drivers for its unique hardware and combine these into a ROM before it can be delivered to you. In the case of Nesus, Google does all that. But out side out Google, things are much more complicated. The Nesus ROM binaries means nothing to manufacuters. They need the source code released from Google. Android OS is not a set of binary that you can install on any Android phone directly. It is a set of source code that needs to be modified and compiled before they can be used on a phone. Hence it is called Opne Source project for a reason. Google hasn't figured out a way to push OS binaries directly to any Android phones other than its own Nexus phones.
2. Carrier branded phones mean carrier need to take care all the tech support and warranty services for 1-year. So, anytime you update anything on the phone, not just baseband, the carrier need to do extensive testing to make sure everything works ok so that customers won't freak out and send their phone back for service or flood the support phone lines, both of which means extra support $$$ for carrier.
Both of these means delays and delays.
Thank you so much for your detailed explanation.
Although I very well know that non nexus mobile phone manufacturers needs to prepare every new android release for their own products, I thought they could deliver updates faster if they skip baseband update process as I assumed mobile network operator needs to check for reception and battery life for every new android release only because of baseband update .
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The biggest problem with update is bricking an otherwise working phone in the process. Samsung is the master of that It bricks a lot of phones on every other updates. So, carriers need to spend a lot of time testing different configurations to make sure it didn't happen. If a phone bricks, carrier needs to send out a replacement to customer for warranty service.That's a lot of money and hassle. That is also why AT&T don't want you have an unlocked boot loader because a lot of ppl brick their phone flashing a custom ROM. And most of them will call for warranty replacement when that happens even though it is purely their fault in the first place.
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Verizon and other carriers are working with Google to ban rooting phones. Data will get throttled and possibility of the phone getting banned from network coverage.
1. The way that they were able to track rooted users is based on pushing updates to phones, and then tracking which meid's did not take the update.
2. More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program.
3. In new builds the tracking would be built into the firmware and that if a person removed the tracking from the firmware then the phone would not be verified on the network (i.e. your phone could not make phone calls or access data).
4. Google is working with carriers and manufacturers to secure phones, and although Google is not working to end hacking, it is working to secure the kernel so that no future applications can maliciously use exploits to steal end-user information. But in order to gain this level of security this may mean limited chances to root the device. (This item I've been told but not yet able to verify through multiple sources – so take it for what you want)
5. Verizon has successfully used its new programs to throttle data on test devices in accordance with the guidelines of the program.
6. The push is to lock down the devices as tight as can be, but also offer un-lockable devices (Think Nexus S).
NOOOOOO,
that sux and i wanted to buy a andriod soon because of the rooting.
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
tfn said:
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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i completely agree with your first point considering I am one of those ppl! also I rooted my EVO to get better battery life....thats another reason to rooting.
i do see the carriers point of view tho.....they dont want people using the tethering workaround they gain from rooting since that is money that they are missing out on.
i should mention, tho, i am against the carriers doing this!! im just saying that i see where they are coming from
I dont think there is any blocks coming to any of the networks in the UK
This subject has already been discussed - more than once, you'll see, from the link I posted in that thread.
If this takes place, I'll be going back to Iphone.
his was an email I got from my networking team. Just wanted to inform and at the same time get a few informed views.
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tfn said:
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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I know this is my first post, but this thread caught my eye.
the reason they don't want us rooting our phones is because if we do we can use out old phone longer and don't have to pay out he wazoo for a brand new phone. I have a Samsung Moment the last O/S that I could get was Android 2.1 Update 1 which basically rendered the Spring gps useless, and made calls and texts come in when ever they wanted, forcing me to think about a new phone, So i joined the SDX forums and rooted it installed 2.2 with the EB28 rom and so far every thing works as good as a Samsung epic just not 4 g,. which doesn't bother me since I don't video chat.
As far as I am concerned YOU paid for the, phone YOU pay the phone bill its YOURS, you should be able to do whatever you want to with it.
that realy sucks. I dont like that
I wouldn't sweat this too much.
I understand the tethering issue, and I also understand that the base is, and always will be, money. That's the whole point of any business.
Having said that, this community in itself is a market and there are people watching what we are doing and where we are going, because there's cash to be made. If we run into locked bootloaders, dead phones, crappy updates and new phones riddled with bloatware, you better believe that someone else will be ready to snatch all of us up and give us exactly what we want, if not close.
If I owned a company large enough to deliver wireless service, I'd be sitting silently with a squad of high-end 250 dollar unlocked smartphones ready for some good ol "we have your back" marketing. ...granted my wireless was on point and I got good reception.
I don't think us getting into our phones and tinkering with it's innards is ever gonna stop. It might change, yeah, but it won't stop.
damn that doesn't sound to good
even if this happens i'm pretty sure there will be workarounds..
So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
That would be the same as switching phones (for example if I change my Hero for an unlocked Nexus S, I would be using the same OS as in my hacked Hero), while still having the contract.
I can not see how they can enforce such a thing.
I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
jh71 said:
So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
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Defendant: I paid for a data plan that expressly stated that tethering is not included so I fiddled with my phone so that I could do that without paying the appropriate charges.
Network: as you can see, a clear breach of contract.
Not that it would ever reach a courtroom anyway.
waz000000 said:
I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
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That's got nothing to do with it though - I have an unlocked. unbranded Motorola Defy but the bootloader is still encrypted.
Some manufacturers can and do lock down handsets that aren't tied to any one network. Motorola do it, HTC seem to be moving in that direction - only SE are taking clear steps in the opposite direction.
Let's have a go at it one more time:
Defendant :
"Your honor, android is all about innovation, and carriers are ganging up with manufacturares cuz they want more, and more, and more, but are to lazy or incapable, or lacking inspiration. I do root, but tethering might as well not even be there, as it is part of many official out of the box releases. If i root, i do it cuz some manufacturers and some carriers are incapable of offering me the google experience im locking for, and as this is a carrier dominance, i dont have a choice but get the closest device for my budget, and that delivers the closest version to that google experience, and then root it, to get the proper battery life i paid for, and get rid of bloatware, which isnt productive for my needs, as THIS DEVICE IS MINE, I OWN IT!"
Network:
We are directly against Android!!!!
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if this happend i think hes going to loose a lot of client so i don't think thats going to happend if no root no theme change no a lot of other things no liberty so if they do that i buy an iphone ^^
hey andy...why dont u guys start investing in you own hardware... apple is pretty good at it, google would be a hit. at least a research would be more then worthed.
my, how the tables would turn in such case....
The more I read and hear this, the more I don't believe it will ever happen.
As far as getting OTA updates, is there any difference between being on T-Mobile's phone network or on random wi-fi link? Does it make any difference if the sim card is in the phone or not?
I don't have reception at all at home so the phones are just on wifi and I often only spend a few hours a week on T-Mobile's network. So at that rate I may never get the OTA update. And lately my SIM card is in my spare rooted G2x which I've been using to try out ROMs.
Does anyone have any idea how phones are selected for updating? Random based on IMEI number? Phone number? SIM card? Date phone was purchased? Date the phone was manufactured? Does account type matter? Prepaid vs contract etc.?? The lack of info about this is infuriating. Same as the new market, weeks later, still no new market on my stock phone (not side loading anything on that phone).
The fact that Google has no direct support for Android at all and they are leaving support completely to grossly incompetent companies like LG and T-Mobile bodes very poorly in my estimation. Will this have me go to a locked down phone like iPhone or WM7 phones? No. But it leads me hoping they might open up WebOS more and get it on some better hardware.
Basically, is there anything I can do to influence the situation, or is it completely random? Does checking more often help, or will my phone only get the update once Google/LG/T-Mobile determine my phone will get it???
No one has any idea? Not even wild, inaccurate speculation??
I am interrested in knowing this as well! I spend most of the day on wifi calling either at work or at home...
I recently spoke to tech support he told me he would recommend updating thru the lg update tool because its a secure connection.
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I heard they use IMEIs, but I don't think the IMEIs are necessarily in order of oldest to newest. One of my buddies who bought his nexus one from google a couple months after I did would always get OTAs before I did.
And we both got OTAs over wifi. I wouldn't know if your sim card needs to be in there, but I would definitely leave it in and just run the *#*#checkin#*#* command just in case.
But nonetheless, to anybody:
Please use alogcat while downloading the OTA.
Once done, just upload the whole logcat so that we can find the URL for the OTA.
Ha! Strangely, I got my OTA GB today. While on cellular, not wifi. Go figure.
Still waitin' on the new market......
Sorry, I wish I had known about the logcat thing. I may flash stock 2.2 onto my spare rooted g2x and wait to see when it gets the OTA, I want nothing to do with the LG updater app, but I might loose patience, we'll see....
Oh, and the *#*#checkin#*#* command??? Has this been tested to work on the G2x? Is that regarded as useful on Android phones in general? Or certain brands, like just HTCs? Search isn't showing too much info on that.
Ha! Strangely, I got my OTA GB today. While on cellular, not wifi. Go figure.
Still waitin' on the new market......
Sorry, I wish I had known about the logcat thing. I may flash stock 2.2 onto my spare rooted g2x and wait to see when it gets the OTA, I want nothing to do with the LG updater app, but I might loose patience, we'll see....
Oh, and the *#*#checkin#*#* command??? Has this been tested to work on the G2x? Is that regarded as useful on Android phones in general? Or certain brands, like just HTCs? Search isn't showing too much info on that.
Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
toastthemost said:
Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Unfortunately no AT&T does not have a better answer, actually it is worse. I got the "We are working very hard to have ICS ready for all phones that have the capability, and we don't have any dates to reveal for any phones upgrade to ICS". I then also got the "We have 4 phones getting ready to be released in the next 60 days that will have ICS already on them".
I also asked around at corporate, and I can not get any of the people I work with there to give my any information at all on ICS one way or the other, for any phone.
Don't worry though ports are on the way, I know that both lfaber06 and I will be working to get a real port of it over ASAP. In fact he has a true pre-alpha version already posted this morning.
Jim
Major bummer, considering this phone is only about 2 months old. Either way, I love the phone and I'm keeping it for as long as its functional!
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big ach said:
Major bummer, considering this phone is only about 2 months old. Either way, I love the phone and I'm keeping it for as long as its functional!
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Same here, its a solid phone.
PeteSeiler2010 said:
Same here, its a solid phone.
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I just think it's too "plastic" (while it's still ... a kind of solid)...
If you think this phone is too plasticy...then your best bet would be an HTC phone. I think the Atrix 2 is very solid feeling.
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Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Ok lets see if I have this straight
You want to return the Atrix 2 when they don't even have the ICS update for the Motorola Razor yet and it's guaranteed? Me, I'm waiting for the Atrix 2 and here is why.
Google states that phones that run 2.3 can run ICS and it's up to the manufacturer to push the upgrades out. What manufacturer is going to push the hardest to get their handsets running ICS
Motorola/Google hands down
Clovett said:
Ok lets see if I have this straight
You want to return the Atrix 2 when they don't even have the ICS update for the Motorola Razor yet and it's guaranteed? Me, I'm waiting for the Atrix 2 and here is why.
Google states that phones that run 2.3 can run ICS and it's up to the manufacturer to push the upgrades out. What manufacturer is going to push the hardest to get their handsets running ICS
Motorola/Google hands down
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Not so fast there.... you are forgetting AT&T is the carrier, and they HAVE to do the actual ROM build, MOTO will give them all of the needed firmware and drivers and such, but it is AT&T who actually does the final build and approval for the releases, what we get off the MOT dev sites, actually is a joint effort from both Moto and AT&T.
I have direct information that if the Atrix 2 gets an ICS build, and IF is the word here, it will not be right away.
Why? You will most likely ask. It is becuase they (Moto and AT&T) are more interested in "Selling" you another more expensive phone, with ICS already on it. Both MOTO and AT&T don't get anything by releasing a new version of the OS to your phone. Just because a Phone can run it, does not mean that they will make it happen. Don't wait for something that might or might not come. If that is the attitude then go get a phone that already has ICS on it, you will be much happier.
I have information that IF, this comes out it will be after June most likely, April or may possibly. This last sentence is unofficial information, the official info I got from my client is posted in the second post here.
Jim
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Not so fast there.... you are forgetting AT&T is the carrier, and they HAVE to do the actual ROM build, MOTO will give them all of the needed firmware and drivers and such, but it is AT&T who actually does the final build and approval for the releases, what we get off the MOT dev sites, actually is a joint effort from both Moto and AT&T.
I have direct information that if the Atrix 2 gets an ICS build, and IF is the word here, it will not be right away.
Why? You will most likely ask. It is becuase they (Moto and AT&T) are more interested in "Selling" you another more expensive phone, with ICS already on it. Both MOTO and AT&T don't get anything by releasing a new version of the OS to your phone. Just because a Phone can run it, does not mean that they will make it happen. Don't wait for something that might or might not come. If that is the attitude then go get a phone that already has ICS on it, you will be much happier.
I have information that IF, this comes out it will be after June most likely, April or may possibly. This last sentence is unofficial information, the official info I got from my client is posted in the second post here.
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I agree completely on the time frame. However unlike other releases this one is different for Google. They will press extremely hard and bend over backwards to help update every phone in the field they can. The why is extremely easy
This ICS build will allow Google to build for their tablet platform AND the phone platform. The more phones they convert the larger the base to attract developers. This is the first shot they have had to have a single operating system. If they update every phone that can run ICS in about a year most phones current in the lineup and still in the field will be running ICS. Most tablets will be running ICS. As for the carriers they will leap on board since Google is going to be doing the work for them. The more phones on one platform the easier it will be to support. It's truly a win/win
^ Grabs popcorn
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If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
Red-heads rock ... FYI ...
assuming the carpet matches the drapes
off-topic apologies... back to maintaining positive ICS thoughts...
From what I have read..it would seem that perhaps manufacturers and the "almighty goog" are fighting over device disk space with their proprietary interface bloatware and OS upgrades as well...hence the perpetual speak of "fragmentation" as well... too many differences and no commonality. To someone else's point, hopefully ICS can bring a closer point of unification.
shanghei said:
If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
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Interesting point well taken, but I'd have to as you this
Assuming you are the CEO of a carrier and you are presented with two paths and only have the time to pursue one course of action.
A) Put your programmers on fixing the current system and take them off upgrading as many phones as possible to ICS, even though the bugs with the phone are minor and don't impede actually using it as a phone.
B) Concentrate on moving forward with one platform so you can decrease support costs overall and get a big fat bonus
chose
shanghei said:
If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
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Long time or not, as long as it comes before my contract renewal date, I'll be happy
Considering this phone came out about two months ago, I will go ahead and assume that most of us just renewed our at&t contracts to get it... I will also assume that most of us have about two years before we can renew our phones so basically, there's no rush guys lol
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The biggest problem I see is that Google is in the process of buying Motorola. The issue is that during such buyouts, there are a lot of movement of people who work there. Usually a lot of instability, layoffs and/or management changes happen during this period. The end result will be that the Atrix 2 will be caught in the shuffle and so I don’t have know if ICS will ever come to this device. Motorola doesn’t even seem to care to address the many bugs as it is with this phone, much less care about ICS.
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Interesting point well taken, but I'd have to as you this
Assuming you are the CEO of a carrier and you are presented with two paths and only have the time to pursue one course of action.
A) Put your programmers on fixing the current system and take them off upgrading as many phones as possible to ICS, even though the bugs with the phone are minor and don't impede actually using it as a phone.
B) Concentrate on moving forward with one platform so you can decrease support costs overall and get a big fat bonus
chose
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It all depends on LOE. If the LOE is less than the cost to implement with newer handsets, then it will happen. If the LOE is more than the cost to implement ICS with all new phones, then it will not happen. Look AT&T has 4 different versions of the Iphone that all can run 5 different versions of IOS, and there is not a way to FORCE anyone on an older Iphone to upgrade, becuase there was not OTA until IOS 5.
Support is not a big issue for the carriers, because they really don't support the devices the manufactures do.
You need think way higher than just google and android in this equation and the fact that AT&T still has to support ANY handset (on their network) that has been sold through AT&T or Cingular since 3g rolled out. There are guys at corporate AT&T that still carry the first HTC Tytn phone (the first 3g phone on cingular / AT&T), because it was a beast for the time, and since it is still 3g, and works, AT&T has to provide support for it. Now are there updates from AT&T or HTC, no, but that is why this community is here. Those guys are all running some form of windows mobile 6 on it, so is it the latest, no, does it do the job, yes.
Again ICS might or might not come (at this point the LOE says no, most likely not), I can't spell it out for you any clearer than that or I will no longer have my current customer. I have way more information than I am letting on, that I can not release at this time.
Motorola has issued very few statements about devices that will be on the upgrade path to ICS and the ones that were stated are on Verizen and they havnt even been given a specific date as to when to expect the update.
AT&T has a very good record at getting updated to their devices and doing it in a timely manner compared to the other carriers. Look at the phones on Verizen and tell me how many are up to date and running Gingerbread 2.3.5 or higher, very few. Heck their famed Thunderbolt is still trying to get the Gingerbread update going. The OG Atrix recieved the Gingerbread update before 90% of all other phones had.
Im not confirming nor denying that we will get it but we have a very good chance considering AT&T's track record even though they are being tight lipped about things and I personally think we will. But hey I have been proven to be wrong also
So if Jim says May - mid summer I say that is acceptible in my books. Has anyone seen a PROVEN date as to the other devices yet? NO. We all just have to be patient and see how the events play out. Hope everyone has a good day!
JRW 28 said:
Motorola has issued very few statements about devices that will be on the upgrade path to ICS and the ones that were stated are on Verizen and they havnt even been given a specific date as to when to expect the update.
AT&T has a very good record at getting updated to their devices and doing it in a timely manner compared to the other carriers. Look at the phones on Verizen and tell me how many are up to date and running Gingerbread 2.3.5 or higher, very few. Heck their famed Thunderbolt is still trying to get the Gingerbread update going. The OG Atrix recieved the Gingerbread update before 90% of all other phones had.
Im not confirming nor denying that we will get it but we have a very good chance considering AT&T's track record even though they are being tight lipped about things and I personally think we will. But hey I have been proven to be wrong also
So if Jim says May - mid summer I say that is acceptible in my books. Has anyone seen a PROVEN date as to the other devices yet? NO. We all just have to be patient and see how the events play out. Hope everyone has a good day!
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That is exactly what I have been trying to get across, Thanks! I also want to note that the carriers are not the ones that really care about which OS a phone is on or if it is up to date, just that it does not harm their network.
AT&T is really trying to get phones updated as soon as they can, if it is a feasible LOE. And they do have a good track record of doing so.
mathk said:
I just think it's too "plastic" (while it's still ... a kind of solid)...
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I want to know what everybody does with there phone's that it has to be built like a tank. The A2 seems pretty tough. The only phone I ever had that died was because my dog got it.
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It's been 3 months since ICS was released. When is Google going to start pushing out the OTA ICS update to us North American 9020A users?
Yes I could root, install the alternative 9020 rom, and update the radio. But I want the official ICS OTA.
ICS OTA doesn't come to Korea, neither
But I'm satisfied thaks to custom rom...
where is the ICS update for I9020A and korean version??
answer: @Google
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Well I've seen a picture somewhere where some french carrier said that Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus will get 4.0.5 in march.
FANdroid said:
It's been 3 months since ICS was released. When is Google going to start pushing out the OTA ICS update to us North American 9020A users?
Yes I could root, install the alternative 9020 rom, and update the radio. But I want the official ICS OTA.
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That is what I was thinking, but I did it any ways. I knew that the wait would be too long.
I couldn't wait any longer and finally 2-3 weeks ago flashed a custom ICS rom. I used this ROM as it was designed for the 9020A and didn't require a new radio to be flashed as well http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399956
Been working great without any freezes or glitches.
I'm hoping ICS shows up for my Telus SNS as all this reading and waiting is killing me It's all too quiet out there on what is happening and it would be comforting to know about my investment in this super personal/business tool.
I went to Nexus S from my Captivate for two reasons, GPS and lack of updates.
Directly from google themselves...
http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
Nexus S is the next generation of Nexus devices co-developed by Google and Samsung.
Nexus S comes pre-installed with the latest Google apps and has features like true multi-tasking, Wi-Fi hotspot, Internet Calling, Near-Field Communication (NFC) support, and full web browsing.
With this device, users will be the first to receive software upgrades and new Google mobile apps as soon as they become available.
Now that I see other NON google devices coming out before I get the official, Im a little upset.
If I were to hold them to what they say, they have lied. False advertisment. I love my phone, but seriously Google, where are your priorities?
Some folks are theorizing that the official ICS ROM for 9020A has been delayed in order to fix the wonky search button bug that sometimes happens in weak 3G areas. Having experienced this bug, one can only hope they're right.
Crittias said:
Some folks are theorizing that the official ICS ROM for 9020A has been delayed in order to fix the wonky search button bug that sometimes happens in weak 3G areas. Having experienced this bug, one can only hope they're right.
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That can't be fixed. It is a hardware defect. Google already adjusted the tolerances as much as they could in the latest Gingerbread update. Anyone thinking they are holding up ICS because of a hardware bug that Google has already addressed is probably misinformed.
I know I could switch to an AOSP ROM and this would not be an issue, but I can't abide the poorer signal quality. I don't know if Samsung has said whether they'll be issuing a patch for the GS3, but even if they do, we'll need to wait, probably months, for Verizon to pass it on to us. Even when that happens, it will probably come packaged with a locked bootloader, like the 4.4 update. I've already disabled auto-retrieve MMS, but from what I understand, MMS is only one possible attack vector for this vulnerability. So, is there any method available to patch this security hole for those of us who have an unlocked bootloader and are on a Touchwiz 4.3 ROM (I'm on CleanROM 8.2). I've read that it would be possible to write an Xposed module could conceivably do this, but none exists yet.
Hopefully the new Nexus phones will work on Verizon...
Jacquestrapp said:
I know I could switch to an AOSP ROM and this would not be an issue, but I can't abide the poorer signal quality. I don't know if Samsung has said whether they'll be issuing a patch for the GS3, but even if they do, we'll need to wait, probably months, for Verizon to pass it on to us. Even when that happens, it will probably come packaged with a locked bootloader, like the 4.4 update. I've already disabled auto-retrieve MMS, but from what I understand, MMS is only one possible attack vector for this vulnerability. So, is there any method available to patch this security hole for those of us who have an unlocked bootloader and are on a Touchwiz 4.3 ROM (I'm on CleanROM 8.2). I've read that it would be possible to write an Xposed module could conceivably do this, but none exists yet.
Hopefully the new Nexus phones will work on Verizon...
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I highly doubt there will ever be a patch for older devices. Unless of course someone creates a rom with the newest patch built in. The Nexus devices just got the latest Google images which has the Stagefright patch in it. The Nexus 6 works on big red, who knows about future devices. I personally love my N5 and it will never work on big red
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ShapesBlue said:
I highly doubt there will ever be a patch for older devices. Unless of course someone creates a rom with the newest patch built in. The Nexus devices just got the latest Google images which has the Stagefright patch in it. The Nexus 6 works on big red, who knows about future devices. I personally love my N5 and it will never work on big red
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Yeah, my backup plan in case neither of the new Nexus devices comes out on Verizon is to pick up a current Nexus 6, or maybe even switch to Windows Phone. It's becoming clear that Samsung's (and pretty much every other Android phone vendor's) solution to security holes on "older" phones is "buy a new phone".
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Yeah, my backup plan in case neither of the new Nexus devices comes out on Verizon is to pick up a current Nexus 6, or maybe even switch to Windows Phone. It's becoming clear that Samsung's (and pretty much every other Android phone vendor's) solution to security holes on "older" phones is "buy a new phone".
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That's very true. Honestly I wouldn't take any OTAs on VZW even on a nexus device. They have a way of royally messing up every thing they touch
Sent from my Nexus 5