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POLL: Who's been screwed by JGUI?

Alright, there are a good 3-4 forums going about various JGUI products. There are a lot of bad notes about the bugginess and quality of his software.
So, just to drive home our disappointment (and so he can see), I'm running a poll...
1. who has paid and been screwed?
2. who has had to do a hard reset as a result of his software?
3. who has sent an email and never received a response?
I'll start.
1. NOT ME
2. ME
3. NOT ME

1. NOT ME
2. ME
3. ME

1. ME
2. ME
3. ME

Totally immature topic for this forum. I think enough has been said on the subject. People are aware of the situation and we don't need to talk about it forever.
This site used to be a place I looked forward to coming to. To help people or to be helped. That's hasn't really changed but it seems to me that recently there is a lot of *****ing going on.
The two of you, and other people, have already stated their opinion in this matter. You don't need to keep *****ing on about it.
Try to balance the "freedom of speach" and "Liable, Slander, Defamation"
http://www.seas.rochester.edu:8080/CNG/docs/Security/node30.html

This is freedom of speech!
And, no, it's not inappropriate as JGUI continues to use this board to SELL his software that is riddled with bugs, etc.
The purpose is to warn others of potentially damaging software that could force them to hard-reset their PDA's and lose information.
This is an information exchange and this is an attempt to consolodate complaints about multiple JGUI applications.
JGUI creates new threads when he's tired of seeing everyone's complaints. This way he can evade bad publicity with bad software--just create a new thread! (see below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=8865&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4073&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9186&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=5169&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=8033&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=6977&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9361&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9361&highlight=
If you don't want to participate, then ignore the thread.

I tend to agree that if JGUI keeps trying to use this Forum to sell his software that he should expect others (who feel that they have a legitimate complaint) to make comments.
I've also had problem with his 'freeware' software, but didn't choose to air my opinions about it.
and as for ....
Try to balance the "freedom of speach" and "Liable, Slander, Defamation"
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.... If people have a genuine complaint (and from the amount of 'abuse' that JGUI gets on this forum I would suggest that they do) then it isn't "Liable, Slander, Defamation" is it!!!!
Personally I find the threads denouncing JGUIs work quite amusing

No, This is a witch hunt
wiredup said:
And, no, it's not inappropriate as JGUI continues to use this board to SELL his software that is riddled with bugs, etc.
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How old are you? 13. Grow up. He's entitled to try sell whatever he wants, within the realms of the law. As he stated, people don't HAVE to buy. There are time limited demos to try. I'm not sticking up for his actions, and I don't agree with releasing software unless it is properly tested. But it's best practise to back up any computer on a regular basis. This includes Pocket PC's. And yes, software that is installed on any computer could have detrimental results but that's the risk you take from an unknown supplier without doing your research.
wiredup said:
The purpose is to warn others of potentially damaging software that could force them to hard-reset their PDA's and lose information.
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People have been warned already in different threads. From what I can see, you are not warning people, you are just bad mouthing him. I see this thread as a witch hunt, nothing more.
wiredup said:
JGUI creates new threads when he's tired of seeing everyone's complaints. Just look on the main page and you'll see at least 3.
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That's his prerogative.
wiredup said:
If you don't want to participate, then ignore the thread.
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I dunno. Maybe I will partcipate. Someone has to keep a level head. Sure, consider me in the discussion and I'll cast my vote.
1. NOT ME
2. NOT ME
3. NOT ME

come on now
If you clicked on the title of this post, you can't really be complaining how it's childish. The title is a very good description of what you'll find, and it's nothing that you shouldn't be expecting.
For the uptight morons that really take this guy's software and some mishap seriously it's a good place to vent, and to me it's FUNNY.
Especially since really early on in the whole debacle the guy had lectured me about his success in software development
:lol:

In sweden this is very common tactics in forums, it´s called "spy galla".
Like, "puking bile" in english
And it´s really sickening and childish behavior indeed.
But, complaining about the persons behaving likethis, is doing the exact same thing as they are doing. So, without a proper dialog, a thread is as good as closed. And if it not close, the level of the thread will go slo low that the substance is just rediculous! And that lowers the standard of the whole forum!
So i´d vote for this thread closed, as it is already clear that JGUI makes bad programs with alot of bugs, and don´t care about fixing them.
Altough, i REALLY SINCERELY don´t like that he is trying to SELL his softer in here! There is already TO many sites trying to sell people software, and this is not the place. Imagine every developer doing the same thing. It would RUIN this forum completely!

i am also "automatic hard reset victim" of my|phone 1.4 and i fully agree to all the claiming about jguis software. anyway i think it is a fact that the level of this forums discussion gets lowered by threads like this. so i would suggest the following to webmaster(s):
1. please close duplicate claiming threads (on the same subject)
2. bann any kind of advertising into a special section of this forum. this should be the only place where commercial messages are allowed.
issue 2. should prevent that people spreading commercials all over the forum and annoying users which would result in making the leave the forum -> that means end of the forum. wouldn't be the first time happening and it really would be a shame.
so long
peter altherr

1. NOT ME
2. NOT ME
3. NOT ME
havent really used anything from him apart from that free cellphone thingy which at times reported a signal str of 105%
so i cant comment too much but i do feel that there are issues within
wm2003 itself which people at times get and if they dont know better they blame the last software they put on
thinking "i installed X program and now i'm missing Y on my today screen"
this is a wm2003 thing not a 3th party software thing
and freezing devices they dont have to be 3th party software related
wm2003 is perfectly cable of freezing itself

Hm, hm, hm... before we make that a discussion about childish behavior I like to re-focus on what would need to be the content.
JGUI develops commercial software for PocketPC.
In several cases people buying his products ended up with significant problems - me being one of them about 2 years ago. (long enough to calm my temptation, bur present enough to understand what people are complaining about )
Attempts of JGUI to deliver corrected versions failed or even lead to additional problems.
There is two ways to look at this:
Firstly users need to understand that it is better for them to use a demo version before purchasing a product. Gee, nobody buys a car without testdriving it... is the small price of a PocketPC program justification to miss out on a demo version? If so, the only thing you complain about is your own carelessness :shock:
Especially inexperienced and new PocketPC expect the same level of quality from a software product that they get when buying Office for their desktop computer. There is education required to reset expectations - in writing like in a thret like this and / or in wasted payments.
And I like to add a thing: I'm surprised that some here brand the complaints as childish but not the way how the forum is being misused by JGUI. I would think it's just fair to stop JGUI advertising here in the first place...

Conclusions:
1. Stop Jgui´s advertisement.
2. Lock this thread.

I got 115% :? So I got a clear understanding of how proffesional the program was -and uninstalled.
havent really used anything from him apart from that free cellphone thingy which at times reported a signal str of 105%
so i cant comment too much but i do feel that there are issues within
wm2003 itself which people at times get and if they dont know better they blame the last software they put on
thinking "i installed X program and now i'm missing Y on my today screen"
this is a wm2003 thing not a 3th party software thing
and freezing devices they dont have to be 3th party software related
wm2003 is perfectly cable of freezing itself [/quote]

Web fora piss me off
I’m *so* sorry, but apparently I need to make 8 nōnsense postings here before I am allowed to REPLY TO A THREAD I HAVE ALREADY POSTED TO in a development forum to answer a user’s question about my software (WTF?!). Two – oh the joy, can’t even _do_ that, why oh why can’t you guys just use a mailing list… I hate web fora.
I have zero interest in _using_ xda myself (except maybe on a device at work…), but I develop for Android occasionally (the system leven, below Java™), so I do not know AT ALL what to do in the non-developer part. And I don’t want to ask a question even, but provide an authoritative answer… believe me I’m qualified enough.

Stop treating the "Wooters" like idiots

Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.

ArkansasRazorbacks said:
Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim

I'm a "Wooter" and came over here to get info on ROM/firmware builds for the device. I'm a current unhacked Archos 70 owner, and have had Samsung Captivate and HTC Evo 4G as well.
I haven't really seen _much_ condescension from this community on the Woot influx. Just some tongue-in-cheek "there goes the neighborhood" and "here come the n00bs" stuff.
I'm ready to admit that I am a n00b with the Viewsonic device, but welcome any help and "ROMs for Dummies" tutorials from this community.
My device should be here on Tuesday, so I hope to see a built and optimized 2.3 firmware package by Wednesday. :-D

jimcpl said:
Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim
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That may be somewhat true but when I first bought my GTab and I got it from Office Depot and came to this thread I experienced the same unfriendly treatment. Most are just trying to learn and better GTab. Not here for confrontation, argument or unnecessary challenge.
To the original poster, I get what you are saying and don't feel singled out because you are Woot. Some here don't make newcomers feel welcome. Why I don't know. After awhile (and it should not exist at all) it tapers off, hopefully for you more sooner than later. Enjoy your GTab.

I'm a wooter, too. My woot gtab should arrive tomorrow. That said, you have to admit that the woot deal is probably the single factor that brought/will bring a significant higher people to this site. And please understand that many of us have spent years dealing with the non-tech savy. We know how the typical non-tech savy behave.

What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.

roebeet said:
What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.
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Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.

My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe

edirector said:
Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.
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I was a Wooter long before I joined XDA - don't worry, it's an acceptable term and we wear it with pride.
Btw, I have NEVER managed to snag a Bandolier of Carrots - always a bridesmaid, never a bride.....

ArkansasRazorbacks said:
Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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I know this is off topic but couldn't help and notice you're a Razorbacks fan. Good to see another Arkansas guy here on the forums. Where are you located? I'm in Conway right now attending UCA. I'm also another wooter waiting for his G-Tablet!

Maybe us Wooters could be put to use. I'd be glad to donate some time to work on a wiki, for example, although I've never actually put one together. Surely there is something that new board members could do.

Sorry for the long post but I must echo the sentiments of others. It is not the intent of most to make new members feel unwelcome, as I can remember when I first got the Gtabs for my wife and myself after finding the community support of XDA. Even in the smaller Gtab/XDA community, members had problems and needed to be helped, many would not use the search function and just ask repeatedly about issues that had already been addressed and resolved. Now that Android tablets are coming to light with the heavily advertised Xoom, the fear is simply that thanks to the overwhelming response to WOOT the common questions will appear again and again as our great forums expand to receive more and more new members. I'm sure that there is no animosity or malice intended, just an attempt to make new members aware of possible pitfalls and resolutions. More users will make this forum and the Gtab better and better.
Welcome to all

I don't think the majority of the users are treating Wooters as idiots, just trying to make their Gtab experience a good one. R emember that when most of us started adding ROMs there weren't several stock builds and several dozen flavors of ROMs to choose from. Also the users that experienced severe interaction problems were bleeding edge guys who expected issues and were willing to work through them. Based on many of the new owners questions, many are expecting to load a new ROM and have an ipad killer. As you read the rooting instructions don't skip the " Risk" section.

Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.

Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.

vaccdroid said:
Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.
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Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
h3llphyre said:
Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.
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When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.

roebeet said:
Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.
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Lol, I was one of those answering questions and pushing people sitting on the fense over into our yard.
Great device- Great people here Talked work into picking up 9 for the techs .
Selling my personal one and picking up a xoom (got a work one comming now )
I have seen the n00b bashing on this forum before... Sometimes I sympathise with both sides though....
I have seen where the whole first page is 75% I have bricked my tablet HELP!!! and then someone else posts same thing again....
Other times I have seen a single Help post only to be met with USE THE SEARCH N00b!!!... When the issue actually wasn't something answered completely before..
SO I think we all need to take a chill pill (except Roebeet, He is totally exempt and allowed to throw a fit if he wants he he) And just deal with answering the same question 5k times . The returns from it should be pretty good. The larger the community the more developers etc we will also inherit

I am a fellow wooter and am looking forward to getting my G tablet tomorrow. I was pretty intent on doing a mod but with recent posts I am re considering that decision. I just hope that Honeycomb is released for the device eventually, although I will not hold my breath.
Roebeet, I think you should look at this as an opportunity. I have not even received my tablet yet but I have already donated $5 to you. There are over 10,000 new owners who could all use your advice and your expertice. If they all do the same you could have a nice side career. I hope I will never have to bother you for any assitance. I think I will stay stock for a while and then maybe I will try a ROM. I am not a total newb, I did manage to successfully root my Droid and install Gingerbread, but I am always squeamish about modding devices. You can fail a heck of lot easier than you can succeed. But if I do ever need help I think that you are the guy!

Think I am more on the fence about modding also due to the low cost of thbis tablet. If you do something to it you cant return it for a new one at woot. Woot doesnt really do returns easy and if they do take it back you get your money back not a new one. then if you want another you will have to get lucky looking for another deal ( like at Tiger Direct this weekend) or buy one for $400. For me thats too risky to just play around with it.
ALso as for honeycomb on here. Probally a better chance that it will happen considering that there are 10-15 thousand more G Tablet owners now then there were last week. They dont support devices for long if they dont sell but this G tablet is now a big seller. * Woot-Circut Ciity-Tiger Direct etc).

aaron19953 said:
My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe
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Well I think those who might feel that way, need to do a reality check. It is really is hard being a noob and everyone starts out as one.
Yes, I am a deal hunter but hardly an uninformed consumer. Hopefully people are aware of what they are getting themselves in for, but true there will be some who have no clue.
From what I have seen/read, the seniors and mods have been good and fair, but like other blogs, the search sucks and people get scared/frustrated so patience and education will be required. It's tough reading a zillion posts to find an answer.
Just my two cents.
FYI I've been a software developer for 25+ years and was literally doing ROMs (as in burning images to silicon) before the idea of smart phones or tablets existed. I worked at a small company named "Poqet Computer" (hence the poqeteer alias), the first pocket sized PC. Unfortunately it was way before its time and like other startups... Died. Also unfortunately that has very little to do with this piece of hardware... So please be kind to this and all other noobs.
- Lance.

I will not be frequenting this area as an active modder, after this weekend

I haven't decided what I plan to do about my GTAB yet, but I have decided on what I plan to do about my participation here in the GTAB section on XDA - I am retiring my GTAB XDA mods after this weekend. Most likely, they will be moved to, including TwoTapsX which I plan to reactivate for at least the short term. I will probably lurk here and post, but I won't be an active modder - I will do that on. Basically, I will do the same thing here that I do on Xoom forum, on XDA.
Basically, my character has been attacked repeatedly, in the last month -- two people even went so far as to say that they only reason I make threads here (i.e. my recent Viewsonic one) is so I can incite people and then convince them to give me more donations. Anyone who's been around long enough knows how long it took me to even accept donations, as I was always very hesitant. As a music lover, I actually mentioned one of the things I purchased with everyone's generosity, and some people obviously thought I was "rubbing it in" (I'm using their words). But I was really just doing it to say "thank you".
First off, if you agree with this assessment of my character and you did send me a donation, please PM me with your email address and I will refund whatever donation you had sent to me, with no questions asked. If you feel you made a mistake, then I certainly don't want to keep your money.
I had actually pulled my donations page yesterday before today's blowout, but obviously there are people here who think I still have ulterior motives in what I do. If this were my day job and someone attacked me in this way, I would take this very personally and this is no different. I am very hurt by these negative remarks and if it wasn't for the users here, I would just pack up and leave without even saying anything - but that's not fair to you, if you use my mods.
Besides the insinuation that I only incite people to get donations, I've also been attacked that I don't frequent the IRC enough when users have issues with my mods (in other words, that I don't do enough post-production support). Also that my concerns about the new Woot! users last month were unfounded and that nothing needed to be done (yes, I got a lot of flack for those remarks - @Woot users, what I did was asked for a FAQ or updated Wiki so that way when the users came pouring in they wouldn't be asking the same questions over and over) and that my latest posts about Viewsonic are just "whining" (again, exact words) that have no place here. And lastly that when I get upset that my character is being attacked, that I'm just overreacting and should just "calm down".
Why am I writing all this? Because I just want everyone here to know the reason WHY I'm doing this.
Now assuming that the moderators don't ban me outright because of my comments here, my plan is to wind things down this weekend. I will setup threads in with TNT Lite, gADAM and TwoTapsX, and then just link from here to there. And if the mods don't want me to do that, then I will just erase my first posts and just write that they've been moved to, and that will be the end of it.
I want to apologize to everyone who doesn't completely understand my reasons for doing this. My mods will still exist, but this way XDA can disavow all knowledge of what I do, if they see fit to. As for my recent threads, I will take a backseat from now on and treat myself as a low-activity user. I will still post, but again not as an active modder, and assuming I don't end up getting banned of course.

I'm sorry to hear about this. I honestly thought you were one of the most loved devs here. Regardless of what others say, I still love you.
Anyway, I donated $300,000. Can I have it back?

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I'm sorry to hear about this. I honestly thought you were one of the most loved devs here. Regardless of what others say, I still love you.
Anyway, I donated $300,000. Can I have it back?
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I needed a good laugh, right about now.

Don't leave
Seriously though, whoever's been harassing you is insane.
Donations aren't mandatory, I don't get why someone would have a problem with you having a place to accept donations. You're putting hard time and effort into something that you're receiving no guaranteed compensation for.
With that being said, you shouldn't leave because two people are being clowns. The Woot / Tiger Direct / cheaper sales of this tablet elsewhere have brought in a new audience, of which a small (but sizable) percentage are morons. Modders here are having to put huge cigarette-size warning labels on their mods because people are mindlessly bricking their tablets, a whole slew of stupid, repeatedly answered questions have been posted, posting in wrong forums... this has just started about a month or two ago.
Consider staying, please. Shirk off the animals, they're not worth your frustration. I'll follow your postings wherever you are, I just want you to stay here because of how strong the community is, and you're a big part of it.

i pretty new to the whole seen, only having brought my gtab bout 2 mos ago. i purchased it because of finding and reading xda. ive modded alot of stuff in the past (xbox, psp, razors etc) and havent done any modding since the older i got the lazier i got. i dont know you roebeet but i gotta tell ya, there are ALOT of trolls on xda. alot. if someone called you out over some nonsense then i dont blame ya for migrating, as i much like you it seems, have little patience for nonsense. i will prob lurk on over to those other sites, because quite frankly, im impressed and enjoy the work you do. as well as gojimi and the others. trolls suck. im behind ya 100%, peace!

Saddened
Robeet
I am deeply saddened to see you leave this group. I have appreciated your support and insight for sdeveral months. It was your talent that inspired me to do my first mods.
You have my greatest admiration and respect for what you have accomplished here and will be truly missed.

Hate to see you step back but I fully understand!... Thanks for keeping me from regretting buying this viewsonic supportless device... (last product i buy from them)
L8r

If you leave, the trolls win. Don't do it!

Sorry to hear this.. But so far i am loving your TNTLite 4.40 no issues and no problems.. I hope we all can still get your mods going forward.

I'm not going to name names (as that's not professional) but it's not casual users that are attacking me. They have a very heavy presence here, and on the IRC. They are not trolls.
This is also not a knee-jerk reaction - this started last month after TNT Lite 5 and has been slowly coming to a head, over the least few weeks. It just came to blows finally, today.

I do not blame you at all. XDA in general has been full of morons as of late and they are pushing away devs who end up starting their own forums. Read some of @shift on twitter, he is an EVO dev.

Your work is appreciated, do not think otherwise. Thanks for your help an we will follow.
Did not now we had a "corporate XDA" <-sory Joke

Come to the Xoom side! I'm buying mine tonight

Roebeet, your work will be missed. I think anyone thinking you post to incite anger and solicit donations is just trying to do some mud slinging. I for one will follow your work wherever it goes.

Hi Robeet, I'm definitely saddened by this but understand decisions sometimes need to be made to keep our own sanity. Thank you for everything you have done, it is much appreciated. Hopefully we'll see you around.

I am a woot buyer and one of the reasons I had the confidence to make my purchase was because of your comments. And now, when I'm quickly perusing posts, whenever I see something from you, I will always read it in its entirety.
I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and the effort you have put forth to make my gTab ownership a great experience. I also respect that fact that you have opinions and are certainly entitled to them. I'm sure it's hard to ignore the negative forces that exist in this forum. I wish you would try.
Please reconsider your position.
sc

Are you going to be posting all your Roms and Mods and updates and instructions under the Gtablet section on slatedroid website for future ones that u come out with. Just want to stay with you and make sure that i stay upto date with all your releases.

sad to hear...
Sorry to hear about this. I haven't publicly thanked you for your contributions to this tab so I want to do it now. Thanks!!! I have used all of your ROMs at one time or another.
Please reconsider and stay here 100%!!!

Sorry to hear this Roe...
I for one am someone that bought the gTab from Woot and have felt that you, above anyone else, has been out here trying to help folks.
I donated to ya based on your help to myself and others, not because of your ROM. You deserve the respect, IMHO.
If what you say is true (and I believe it is) and I were in your shoes, I would be even more driven to excel here as a dev. You're a good egg, Roe, from what I have seen here and over at Woot. I feel bad for those that are given you a hard time. Jealousy is not sexy.

roebeet said:
I'm not going to name names (as that's not professional) but it's not casual users that are attacking me. They have a very heavy presence here, and on the IRC. They are not trolls.
This is also not a knee-jerk reaction - this started last month after TNT Lite 5 and has been slowly coming to a head, over the least few weeks. It just came to blows finally, today.
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they may not be trolls, but there certainly are alot of them.

ShootMe Dev Giving up on Android Community? What about you?

I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.

I'm not a developer but did read this already on a posting at Google+.
But you are right, moving into that direction would be very bad.
Some people think they can be rude because they stay anonymous.
Its something that happens more and more these days on the internet.

I realize it's impossible - there are 12 year olds who probably run rampant.
Seems like there is SOMETHING that can be done.

I'm as Pro-Android as they come. But at times it feels like starting a relationship with a beautiful boy/girl only to find they come with a sack load of emotional baggage.
Here's my take on it: http://andgamesdevblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/android-culture-its-own-worst-enemy.html
I am far from giving up (thick skinned) but there is a real troll culture growing and needs to be stomped out. Anonymity has it's uses but, as with everything else, has its drawbacks. What we need is troll hunters!
Paul
(aka Strangemoo)

I have seen that there are some stupid comments on the market... But not so extreme as to take down your app...
Some users is just plain stupid... I'm from Denmark, so a lot of the comments are in danish... But that devs are many times foreign and really don't look or understand the comments... But a lot of them complain about pathetic things like no app 2 sd or that some function suddenly's gone instead of just writing the dev an email about the issue and giving the app the respect it deserves... 1/5 rating is a lot of the times not justified...
Just my 2-cents...

I'm sorry but this is a silly and immature move by the developer. Receiving negative feedback, dealing with trolls and idiotic users that don't understand technology are fundamental assumptions of the internet, just like not giving out your passwords or helping Nigerian princes get their money out of Africa.
I loved ShootMe and used it for our screenshots, but I don't have a lot of empathy for people that empower others to control how they feel.
Wrote about this a few weeks back: http://www.androidstatic.com/what-shootme-removed-from-the-android-market

I work in IT support and one of the things I have to support is phones. It blows my mind how many 10-12 year old kids have nicer phones than I do because their rich mommy and daddys think their precious little angels needs the latest and greatest smart phones. I went over to a client's office a couple of months ago and he had 3 brand new Droid 2s for his kids, ranging from 10-14.
Point of all this?
In this day and age, there are so many rude little kids with nice phones all over these forums, its amazing to me anyone sticks around. Im over 40 and was raised in a different time than these self entitled children I see around here that want everything now, for free and want you to do it for them.
I cant blame the guy for leaving. A lot of times I wish I could go live on an island somewhere where I didnt have to deal with people because most of them suck.

s15274n said:
I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
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I'm not a developer, but I was a ShootMe user on my EVO 4G. When it received the upgrade to Gingerbread, the app stopped working. The developer never replied to my email and from reading comments on Market didn't reply to anyone.
He did finally released a new version of ShootMe, but you had to have a computer to use it. Also everytime your reboot your phone, you had to sync everytime with your computer.
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Welcome to the "masses".
Want a better experience? Go smaller. Dev for Windows Phone, or Web OS, or RIM.
Once something becomes part of the main stream, you'll see the d-bags start rolling in. Even something like xda can be tarnished once it "gets too big". There is hardly a day that goes by where I don't read a thread here that doesn't make me shake my head. This used to be a highly technical forum, back when every devices was htc and running windows mobile.
The only thing that can really be done, is to work with a smaller, more appreciative community. I doubt you would get very many jerk off comments from a Windows Phone user, they are happy to get whatever they can.

All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.

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All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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As a android developer IMHO the android community is as bad as they come. Xda for example used to be a place of collaboration. Currently its a place where maybe .1% do dev, .9% appreciate the development and try to help, 99% ether complain or say nothing at all. Whether the development is for free or profite(which I won't evev get into here) how is a developer supposed to work off of that? Users would rather right a comment blasting a developer who has literally spent days of his life on some product without even attempting to resolve the issue themselves.
I'm not saying some complaints are not warranted, just saying flip the coin around and its not so hard to understand the developers standpoint.
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There is no denying that there is frustration on both sides. This frustration seems to stem from expectation, communication and control.
The developer expects their customers to be civil.
The users expects the developers to devote anything between some to all of their resources/free time building/making their products better.
Both are unreasonable expectations if you think about it.
Civility can only be maintained in a mediated environment - the Android Market seems only concerned about brand and copyright issues. Google seems to think that it's ok to put its developer behind chicken-wire with lights in their eyes whilst their customers are free to hurl beer bottles at them. Dealing with anony-trolls is time consuming and offputting.
Developers range from teenagers with spare time on their hands up to multi-million dollar development studios. I, myself, am a father of three, I work a full week (we've got to eat!) and I code when time permits. Even though I respond to every request put to my apps, if you think that I'm going to compromise the balance of other areas of my life to put in a bug fix - think again. Sure, some of the more effluent businesses can throw more resources into a project, but just bare in mind that most of us are just people and not doormats. Respect and encouragement is all it takes to make the market a happy place. Flaming just ruins things for all (on both sides).
Communication between devs and end users is and most likely always will be a bit of a sticking point. The fact that everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes kind of makes it obvious that there will never be an app with 100% 5 stars. Even the most popular apps on the market have ratings across the board. Though, admittedly, some of the low grades may be down to trolling - but some of them will be genuine. Communication takes time. From a user, it may take a couple of minutes out of their day. For the dev, they may have hundreds a day to deal with. This takes them away from the development that the mail is probably asking for!
A user doesn't, and should never have control over the developer. They should, however, be able to request, beg, plead *nicely*. If they get frustrated then they should remember the phrase 'you get what you pay for'. The developer doesn't get any money when you bought your phone - so don't think they have any obligation to give you something for nothing. If it's a paid app, then the developer is saying 'yes, I'll support it.' That's fair sport.
The developer should have some control over their customers in the sense that a shopkeeper can choose who they let in their shops. Unfortunately they have none. They can't even moderate the comments on the market. I've had a 'GAY - Pointless, uninstall' (his words, not mine) on a free app downloaded 12,000 times and has a 4* rating. I can't do anything about it. It always appears when people go to the page. This individual has hurt my app and me without provocation. I didn't ask anything from them. Fortunately, the following message pointed out that the 'Pointless' user was an idiot (thanks XZombie), hopefully it will negate some of the damage. We're completely at the mercy of the masses, and being a relatively new dev, it's a scary place to be!
It's a shame that the most influential party in all of this is hiding behind a wall of silence.
If you're interested - I'm keeping a track of my experience of Android development. The link is in my earlier post.
Paul
Strangemoo

Paul, I do agree with you to a point. But I'm not sure if I like about developers editing comments. But I do see what you mean about people leaving dumb comments for an app that does work.
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Katt,
I don't suggest developers could edit comments - that would make the process equally pointless, as devs can put all of the 'nice' things they want in the description anyway. Sorry if I implied otherwise.
Devs should be able to either remove, request for removal or even block the rogue elements. At present, we have to just live with the insults with no way to disprove their claims. Even a 'troll flag' would be an improvement - to show other users that the dev disagrees with the comment.
All accountability is on the devs whereas trolls can run freely.
Do any other devs out there agree with me on this? Others may have had a much more dealings with such than I have.
Cheers,
Paul

IMO if google was smart they would allow for a limited ammount(% of total) of "submissions" of there comments to a third party(google). If they are found outlandish they can be removed.
My 2 cents lol. I can say as a dev of a few apps on the market I have gotten rediculous comments n 1 stars b4. I mean if they are justified that's a different thing entirely. But my 1 stars are disproportionally higher then the trend of the others. Which proves one thing...
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This is an honestly great thread. Good initiative to |OP|

Taking down an app just because of a few nasty comments is just
childish and quite frankly pathetic.
Seems that developer has chucked his toys out the pram, if he does
decide to release it again who is going to trust such a developer?
I know I wouldn't use the app again, seeing as he's stuck 2 fingers up
to loyal users and the whole android community all because of a small
minority of people.
The whole thing stinks of the guy thinking he is above any kind of bad
feedback, obviously a developer that doesn't listen to the users of his
app and a developer that turns his back at the drop of a hat.
I'm sure he will be missed... Not
Ps. there are better screenshot apps out there

I agree with your comment. Though I am not a dev. I have experience working in the retail end of software. This is a I want it now society, folks forget that they got this software/app for free and as soon as they have a little issue they fly off the deep end cussing out the maker/distribitor of the product. Anyhow like you said you get what you pay for.LIke in my IT course in school my book said "check the dummy behind the keyboard" anyhow thanks for the great apps i use the time flies app.

If a dev dropped his customers because of a couple of snide comments then, yeah, I'd agree with you.
But was that the case for ShootMe?
Before we start flinging hooks around here, wouldn't it be more productive to actually find out what happened first.
I may be proven wrong here, but the guy must've been given some serious grief to take such a newsworthy action.
In fact, that's not been mentioned - it could be media storming. Drum up enough publicity and come back blazing. Only time will tell on that one.
At the end of the day, it's his property. And if he makes a lot of people unhappy that's his prerogative. The reason he's giving though are indeed a real issue the community needs to address.
The plot thickens.
(Glad you like Times Flies! You're most welcome)
Paul

I've noticed that the flavor of a community will vary a lot by device. The Captivate community seems to be generally good and helpful for the most part, but I've heard horror stories of ungratefulness and rudeness about communities around other devices. It may be the same sort of thing with different varieties of apps. If people feel like an app performs a function they deserve outright, they may be less inclined to courtesy and more inclined to selfish expectation.

Tired of the complaints.

It's a new phone. It will have issues. Get over it. I've never seen so many people complain about something. It is literally the best phone you can get right now. If it doesn't work for you get an iPhone. I love this phone even with the issues it has. They will be fixed. Sorry just my two cents.
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It still amazes me that people complain about a new device having issues. This is HTC's new flagship device which has been created from the ground up. It's the first generation of said flagship line and is bound to have issues. Guess no one here had a 2g iPhone. Sure it was amazing, but I also had its short comings.
I returned my HOX cause they didn't have any available for exchange. Going to buy one tomorrow from Walmart. Can't wait to get it back.
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Ddot196 said:
It's a new phone. It will have issues. Get over it. I've never seen so many people complain about something. It is literally the best phone you can get right now. If it doesn't work for you get an iPhone. I love this phone even with the issues it has. They will be fixed. Sorry just my two cents.
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I started a thread like this and it was closed in about 5 mins or less. It seems like complaining on here is the norm and not the exception. There are definitely some issues here and there...luckily for me, they don't affect me too much because of how I use the phone. Every phone I have had has had issues...best phone made period. Glad you're enjoying it.
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I started a thread like this and it was closed in about 5 mins or less. It seems like complaining on here is the norm and not the exception. There are definitely some issues here and there...luckily for me, they don't affect me too much because of how I use the phone. Every phone I have had has had issues...best phone made period. Glad you're enjoying it.
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I concur. It's ok to have threads like "Multitasking is a joke on this device", "Who else is returning their handsets?", "Disappointed w HTC QC" etc. but it's not ok to have a thread confronting the complainers. It's true that if you spend money on something and it has issues you're entitle to complain but srsly saying **** like "Im gonna return my HOX and buy an s3" is just plainly redundant. This phone is a complete new direction in manufacturing technology for HTC and the only thing I can chastise them for is the fact that they seem to rush it out, but I can totally understand that it has software/hardware issues. Instead of threatening to return and to buy from Samsung, why dont people just either do it and move on w their lives, or be patient and wait for a solution? Look at the screen flickering issue being incrementally solved as an example. Moreover, the S3 hasnt come out yet so stop it the comparing bs already. Werent the S and S2 plagued w issues upon launch as well?
Mini rant: Samsung hasnt changed their handset manufacturing or design since like forever (really I have a 2008 Samsung f480 or something and it looks reminiscent of the Galaxy line) so it's expected that their handset making process is more refined. It's not fair to compare an old-fashioned design w something as innovative looking as the HOX.

So, you are COMPLAINING about complainers? How is your topic any different from the rest? At least the topics where people complain about issues, helping raise an awareness of the problem, with a hope that the developers will fix them, while topics like this have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

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"Multitasking is a joke on this device", "Who else is returning their handsets?", "Disappointed w HTC QC"
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The great news is that the SGS3 will be in people's hands in less than two weeks. If the launch goes like the i9100, and GN, the comparisons to "perfect" that we've been seeing will suddenly look pretty feeble. As they say, "he who laughs last, laughs best."
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So, you are COMPLAINING about complainers? How is your topic any different from the rest? At least the topics where people complain about issues, helping raise an awareness of the problem, with a hope that the developers will fix them, while topics like this have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
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There's little constructive conversation in the complaint threads. No one's trying to put their heads together to clarify and resolve a problem. They are ***** fests. The multitasking thread is a great example. 2/3 of the posts are just "OMFG, this is inexcusable" pile ons. And anyone that dares say it isn't bothering them is squashed like a roach.

I agree people need to stop *****ing. Nobody forced u to buy the device. If u don't like it return it. Otherwise stop *****ing.
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Its a new phone thread. Give it 2 months and all the trolling complainers will be on to the next phone with an irrelevant quadrant score that is 10% better.

[email protected] said:
So, you are COMPLAINING about complainers? How is your topic any different from the rest? At least the topics where people complain about issues, helping raise an awareness of the problem, with a hope that the developers will fix them, while topics like this have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
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Yep...65 pages of the same people threatening to take their phones back will definitely help raise awareness.
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powerwagon said:
I started a thread like this and it was closed in about 5 mins or less. It seems like complaining on here is the norm and not the exception. There are definitely some issues here and there...luckily for me, they don't affect me too much because of how I use the phone. Every phone I have had has had issues...best phone made period. Glad you're enjoying it.
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I agree. People can complain for 65 pages about a new phone, but if someone creates a thread about being tired about all the *****ing, it gets closed immediately. The reply by the Mod was condescending and rude, yet he allows other threads to continue. No surprise though, it's the XDA way.
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There's little constructive conversation in the complaint threads. No one's trying to put their heads together to clarify and resolve a problem. They are ***** fests. The multitasking thread is a great example. 2/3 of the posts are just "OMFG, this is inexcusable" pile ons. And anyone that dares say it isn't bothering them is squashed like a roach.
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So, what are you proposing about that particular? We should all just shut up, go with the flow enjoy the broken phone? Seriously, one thing is complain about something minor, like theme colors, another is something that makes the phone virtually unusable. The more people complain about such things, the more the manufactures get aware of that, the more chances they gonna do something about. Maybe perhaps we should get another topic where people can vote if they like it or not the multitasking is working?
Topics like this on other hand, has no practical or any other usage. That's my point.

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Topics like this on other hand, has no practical or any other usage. That's my point.
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Actually, topics like this help to even out the discussion and see both sides of the story. A casual user would get the impression that the phone was garbage and no one likes it if all they read are complaints. It needs to be known that not everyone is complaining about the phone. The last thing anyone wants is a media blackout.
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Make a Complaint section?
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wbell1987 said:
It still amazes me that people complain about a new device having issues. This is HTC's new flagship device which has been created from the ground up. It's the first generation of said flagship line and is bound to have issues. Guess no one here had a 2g iPhone. Sure it was amazing, but I also had its short comings.
I returned my HOX cause they didn't have any available for exchange. Going to buy one tomorrow from Walmart. Can't wait to get it back.
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Seriously?
This is nothing like the first iphone. Android has been around a long time, Android 4.0 is like 7 months old. It's the same camera module from the year old SGS2.
What is so revolutionary? I like mine a lot, it's a slick phone, but it's not that groundbreaking.

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So, what are you proposing about that particular? We should all just shut up, go with the flow enjoy the broken phone?
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Both Samsung and HTC have designed their products to meet the needs of millions of people. Along the way there were bound to be compromises. If any of those compromises don't meet your needs, don't buy the phone. XDA probably represents at most 5% of the phone buying public. For 25% of the 5% to think they can band together and try to make multi-billion dollar companies bend to their wishes is pretty naive. So by all means, have at it but don't ridicule the people that see the futility in some of the complaining.
Some of the features of the navigation system in my car drive me crazy and other members of its forum agree. It would be laughable for a small group of us to flame the manufacturer expecting them to revise the system because we don't like it. But yet, here on XDA, that's a pretty much daily occurrence. I don't like the way the automatic soap dispenser works on my dishwasher. Maybe I should gather up a group of fellow disgruntled owners and spam the manufacturer's Facebook page demanding they change it. If you want to send a message to a manufacturer stop buying their products. That'll get their attention a lot quicker than #neveragain campaigns. The GPS on the SGS (i9000) was in fact with no debate FUBAR. Owners launched the largest social campaign I've ever seen trying to get Samsung to fix it. Samsung never responded. They and Apple now share 90% of mobile device profits. Oh well, so much for that.
I don't know what you guys do for a living but decisions at large companies aren't emotional; they're statistically and financially driven. In cases like Asus and HTC unlocking their bootloaders it wasn't the rallying of the 25% of the 5% that made them rethink their policies. They were probably on the fence to begin with and the positive PR and low financial impact is what got them to change position. A device can easily meet the manufacturers financial objectives even if the entire XDA universe boycotted it. We're described as "enthusiasts" and make up a small but vocal part of the phone buying universe.
HTC's now on record saying multitasking is working as designed. Everyone here is still in their remorse period. You have two choices: 1) return the phone, 2) keep it and hope that since this is now on HTC's radar maybe there may be some future improvement. Option 3, which a lot of people seem to be taking, keeping the phone and *****ing among themselves isn't going to change how multitasking works.
Things like petitions and posting on social sites are fine. They are ways of communicating with the manufacturers and letting them know how some of their customers feel about their decisions. But as with everything, there's a time to call it a day and move on. This isn't a civil rights fight; we're talking about features on a phone. And of our "issues" probably 10% would even be noticed by the phone buying public in general.

BarryH_GEG said:
Both Samsung and HTC have designed their products to meet the needs of millions of people. Along the way there were bound to be compromises. If any of those compromises don't meet your needs, don't buy the phone.
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The problem here is none of such compromises are publicly available for users to weight their decision with, none of the reviews have mention such crucial flaws, they have some cons about colors in photos or phone being too wide, but nothing that would greatly affect user's experience with phone's usage. Customers will have to experience it themselves, which means they will have to buy it first. (for example LG Nitro HD has defective hardware compass and the only way to know about it to experience it yourself, because nobody is talking about)
In this particular case with multitasking, the only people who's not getting affected by it are the same people who shouldn't buy such phone in the first place, since they just wasting money on something they don't use to it's full potentials.
Also, the same logic as "don't like it, don't buy it" can be applied to the OP complaining about the complainers - don't like it, don't read it, move along. But, it's just does not work in our imperfect world...

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it's just does not work in our imperfect world...
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On this, you and I totally agree. Part of what makes XDA fun (for me) is the difference of opinion. It's interesting to see what's important to people and how everyone uses their device differently. The battles always start when smart, knowledgeble, strong-willed people all try to get each other to agree. And I've never seen that happen here or anywhere else.

Imagine I'm making a thread like "Who else is not returning their HOX and dont give a **** about the Samsung Plasticky s3". Pretty sure it will be closed so quick my chair still doesnt get warm yet.

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Actually, topics like this help to even out the discussion and see both sides of the story. A casual user would get the impression that the phone was garbage and no one likes it if all they read are complaints. It needs to be known that not everyone is complaining about the phone. The last thing anyone wants is a media blackout.
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No i think what is being said is that these threads dont help other users, they just are meant as a knee-jerk reaction to complaints threads. If you want to do what you are suggesting in your post, then you should start a thread along the lines of "I love this phone and here's why", not "tired of the complaints." That's just a complaint about complaining, plain and simple.

I also started a thread speaking of my problems with the one X and I got a bunch of people whining about my whining which I don't understand. And the point of the thread was not intended to go that route. Anyways I guess alot has changed here in XDA.
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