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Inspire or Sensation?

Per my other post regarding service plans, I was hoping for some feedback from you guys.
A couple weeks ago I renewed my contract and got an Inspire. I'm still within the return window, and heard about the Sensation. Obviously the Sensation is the more powerful phone and would be preferable over the Inspire. And of course, Tmobile's $80 unlimited plan is very attractive when compared to $110 for the same plan features from AT&T.
However there's some rumor going around that the Sensation's bootloader is locked down tight and that it might not be able to be cracked so that we can flash custom ROMs. That's obviously a deal-breaker to me since I need root, and just hate the bloatware carriers put on a phone. I'd want it unbranded.
So, what would you guys do? Return the Inspire, go with Tmobile and get the Sensation when it comes available in the hope that it can be unlocked by then? Or stick with the Inspire and let it be?

That is a tempting phone but I think I would hold off and stick with the Inspire. There are a couple of reasons.
1. This phone is already hacked wide open and fully customizable. There is no guarantee the same thing will happen with the Sensation. (I am sure it will, but we never really know)
2. What happens if the AT&T T-Mobile merger goes through and they make you switch phones back to something with the AT&T banding within a year. The only good news is that you would come over at a better grandfathered price, but I am sure they will rip that away when LTE comes in.
3. T-Mobile Coverage leaves something to be desired. It rocks where it is present, but it isn't present in a lot of places. If you travel at all take a good look at that coverage map.
4. I believe the Sensation is only going to be capable of 21mb down (only... ha) not the 42mb down T-Mobile is deploying to cities like Vegas. This makes me wonder what their future plans are and if there is something... dare I say it... even better coming in 3 months.

bmolloy said:
The only good news is that you would come over at a better grandfathered price, but I am sure they will rip that away when LTE comes in.
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You make good points.
I presume that LTE is the AT&T 4G network, which the Inspire is designed for? Y'see I posed the above question on the assumption that the Sensation would operate on AT&T's 4G network as the merger goes forward, and/or that AT&T would offer an equal or better phone as the Tmobile customers were migrated over, but that might not be correct. Can you comment?
The problem I face is that I need to make a final decision by the end of today and either return the Inspire and revert to my no-contrast status, or stick with it. But if I stick with the Inspire, I'm locked into it for 2 years.

BillTheCat said:
Per my other post regarding service plans, I was hoping for some feedback from you guys.
A couple weeks ago I renewed my contract and got an Inspire. I'm still within the return window, and heard about the Sensation. Obviously the Sensation is the more powerful phone and would be preferable over the Inspire. And of course, Tmobile's $80 unlimited plan is very attractive when compared to $110 for the same plan features from AT&T.
However there's some rumor going around that the Sensation's bootloader is locked down tight and that it might not be able to be cracked so that we can flash custom ROMs. That's obviously a deal-breaker to me since I need root, and just hate the bloatware carriers put on a phone. I'd want it unbranded.
So, what would you guys do? Return the Inspire, go with Tmobile and get the Sensation when it comes available in the hope that it can be unlocked by then? Or stick with the Inspire and let it be?
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Not to mention the Sensation will be tied to T-Mobile and if the merger with AT&T goes through, eventually the data will no longer work. T-Mobile has been rumored to be contracting for phones that have quad band HSDPA+ radios. But the latest info is that the G2x doesn't have it. And the G2x was clearly stated it would have the quad band HSDPA+ radio. If the G2x doesn't have, I would not trust the Sensation would have it.
Stick with the Inspire. It's the safer bet.

BillTheCat said:
You make good points.
I presume that LTE is the AT&T 4G network, which the Inspire is designed for? Y'see I posed the above question on the assumption that the Sensation would operate on AT&T's 4G network as the merger goes forward, and/or that AT&T would offer an equal or better phone as the Tmobile customers were migrated over, but that might not be correct. Can you comment?
The problem I face is that I need to make a final decision by the end of today and either return the Inspire and revert to my no-contrast status, or stick with it. But if I stick with the Inspire, I'm locked into it for 2 years.
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My understanding about the merger is that T-Mobile runs their "4G" HSPA+ on different bands than AT&T does so the phones will not be compatible. AT&T wants that company so they can have all that bandwidth, all of those users and all of the towers in the densely populated areas like SF, NY and LV that are notorious for dropping calls when the towers get crowded.
AT&T has plans on rolling out LTE (which the inspire is NOT capable of using) within the next year, T-Mobile does not have any announced LTE plans because their HSPA+ is so good and I am sure they are waiting to see if they do get sucked up.
One other note, the T-Mobile "Unlimited Plan" is now saying they will throttle your data speeds when you reach 2GB. That means that blazing fast 21mb/s download speeds you get will be slowed way down until your billing cycle is up. For the time being AT&T's unlimited is unlimited.
I got the Inspire because I am locked to AT&T with the 4 phones with data plans I have on my contract. I look at this as an awesome phone that will definitely hold me over until they release a phone with LTE, which by that time being that I pay an obscene amount of money to them every month I will be elegible for my 15 month or so upgrade. In reality the only time I feel like my phone is inferior is when I am doing speedtest.net tests with friends of mine that have Thunderbolts which where I live get 20mb down and up. In reality though this phone is absolutely sick and it's only downside is that AT&T doesn't seem to be rolling out a very fast HSPA+ network like they advertised.

Great feedback, guys. I appreciate the help. Still on the fence, but getting closer to a decision.
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T-Mobile has been rumored to be contracting for phones that have quad band HSDPA+ radios.
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This spec says that the phone is quad-band, or am I confusing data with voice radios?
http://www.cellhut.com/HTC-Sensation-Pyramid-30632.html?INO=518754
bmolloy said:
AT&T has plans on rolling out LTE (which the inspire is NOT capable of using) within the next year...
One other note, the T-Mobile "Unlimited Plan" is now saying they will throttle your data speeds when you reach 2GB...
In reality though this phone is absolutely sick and it's only downside is that AT&T doesn't seem to be rolling out a very fast HSPA+ network like they advertised...
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All good points. Here are my thoughts:
* If the Inspire isn't capable of LTE, then it's not really a 4G phone, is it? So maybe I should return the sucker now and wait to see what happens?
* I can't see myself ever going over 2G of data per month, and I have WiFi at home and office, so Tmo's throttle isn't much of an issue for me.
* If AT&T's data network isn't as robust as Tmobile's, then maybe I should really be looking to leave then, no? And if the voice network will eventually merge, wouldn't that be another reason to jump ship and go with Tmo?

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This spec says that the phone is quad-band, or am I confusing data with voice radios?
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Yeah, that would be the cell radio, which is compatible with AT&T, as well as Edge data network (2G).
According to this Engadget article, the G2x may not have the quad band HSDPA+ radio.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/24/t-mobile-g2x-getting-gingerbread-sooner-than-youd-expect-may/

Looking at those specs the Sensation says that it's 3G bands are 2100/900 MHz. AT&T uses 850/1900 MHz bands for 3G. The 2G radio is quadband so it looks like it will work on EDGE. I have an Nexus One that is unlocked but I had to wait for the AT&T banded one because the T-Mobile unlocked one would not work on AT&T 3G bands.
As for the AT&T not having 4G, that battle has been being fought for a long time here. Really what they did is call their HSPA+ network 4G, just like all of the other cell companies that have the same infrastructure starting doing about a year ago. They aren't exactly lying but they are not exactly telling the truth either. They do actually explain what they are doing on their website, but you have to look for it. I am not a fanboy here, I just think people are flaming AT&T even though they aren't exactly hiding what they are doing. They are just taking advantage of the lack of a universal definition for 4G.
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115944
That Sensation is a great phone, honestly if it is unlocked and works on AT&T 3G bands and developers can root it and get some good ROMS I might just have to sell a kidney and buy one off contract to run on AT&T's network.

That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm

swatcop1 said:
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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That is their definition of what comprises 4G, not what this particular phone is capable of.

swatcop1 said:
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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Sweet! If AT&T says it's so, I would more believe them than HTC. But in all actuality, the AT&T LTE will likely be their 4G network. This means, probably, that the Inspire is compatible in the fact that it uses 4G. This would also make the Atrix compatible.
But I'm not all that familiar with LTE to begin with.

swatcop1 said:
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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None of the current phones they are pushing out with "4G" labels have LTE radios. Part of that "What is 4G?" battle. I really think we are at least 1 year away from an LTE phone on AT&T. Just a guess, but I have had them for a long time and watched how slowly they move on stuff like this. An example would be launching the iPhone on only the 2G network when they had a fully deployed 3G network, and rolling out this HSPA+ way after T-Mobile and many international carriers. Not exactly committed to bleeding edge technology here with the big blue ball.

bmolloy said:
They are just taking advantage of the lack of a universal definition for 4G.
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To my way of thinking, 4G is about a speed standard, not a protocol standard. I don't care if the phone speaks Greek or German, as long as it does so at 4G speed. That said, I do agree with you that AT&T (or other large companies) tend to get into the crosshairs because it's easy to pick on the 800 pound gorilla.
bmolloy said:
That Sensation is a great phone, honestly if it is unlocked and works on AT&T 3G bands and developers can root it and get some good ROMS...
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I'm smellin' a lot of 'if' comin' off this plan. Lots of variables - timing, hardware, rooting, unlocking, ROM availability... there's a lot of uncertainty. Might just stick where I am. Besides, there's no saying that even IF everything went well with Tmo and the Sensation that when they're absorbed by AT&T that users won't be forced into an Inspire or other phone anyway.

Understood thanks

MartyLK said:
Sweet! If AT&T says it's so, I would more believe them than HTC. But in all actuality, the AT&T LTE will likely be their 4G network. This means, probably, that the Inspire is compatible in the fact that it uses 4G. This would also make the Atrix compatible.
But I'm not all that familiar with LTE to begin with.
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Actually AT&T's plan is to be the only carrier that has LTE and HSPA+ so those in areas that don't have LTE can fall back on HSPA+ and still have somewhat of the 4G experience.
Like it has been said, none of their current phones have LTE radios. The Inspire will see 4G HSPA+ type speeds once the backhaul has been completed in your area but will never see LTE speeds when they roll out.

Any last thoughts on this? I have only until tomorrow to make my decision.

Verizon's LTE is fast now, but wait till it gets saturated like ATT. It'll go downhill just like Sprint's WiMax did.
I personally, would stick w/ ATT because of the Tmob merger. When that's done, the ATT network will get better for us the consumers.
If you have an Unlimited data plan, that's enough reason to stay IMHO. All the carriers are going the way of tiered data plans as an attempt to make the "experience" the best for all of us. I don't like it but don't have a choice either.
I think that if you'll fight the urge to have the best now, you'll be better off in the long run when all the wrinkles get ironed out w/ the ATT-Tmob merge.
My $.02
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I say sensation because its newwer.LOL

I'm not ENTIRELY certain... but I believe the incredible S's bootloader is signed, and has yet to be cracked (or whatever needs to be done for custom Kernels/Roms) I'm not sure if HTC will continue the trend of signing bootloaders, etc, but seeing as how it's a newer phone, it would most likely follow that pattern.
If you're into hacking/modding/tweaking to the extent of a fully unlocked phone (read:custom kernels, more rom choice) then get the Inspire 4G.
If you find yourself pleased with Sense 3.0/ HTC's offerings in general, get the Sensation.
As a side note, I'm sure root will eventually be found for it, but no telling when with HTC changing their phone security game up.

Have Unlocked T-Mobile Sensation - using AT&T

Went into T-Mobile yesterday and purchased a Sensation off contract. Got home and went online to get it unlocked.
Currently the phone is on AT&T and I can report that 3G / 4G service does NOT work. I know there was some talk about the phone maybe picking up the 1900 3G band - but I can confirm that is does not. It only works on the 2G / Edge network.
MMS / SMS work fine.
One MAJOR draw back to having this phone on AT&T is you cannot be talking on the phone and use data at the same time. This caught me by surprise when I was using the Google Navigation app and got a phone call. The map stopped updating until I got off the phone. I double checked trying to open a website while on the phone and it gives you an error message saying it needs a connection.
If anyone does plan to do this - know that you also have to manually put in the AT&T APN settings for internet and messaging to work. Just typing in the unlock code will allow you to place calls, but no other services work.
Another annoying part is there is a T-Mobile app that updates all your contacts with their servers. This is constantly trying to update throughout the day. The program isn't able to be un-installed at this point either.
I called AT&T to give them the IMEI number. They (obviously) don't recognize the phone and register it as a non-smart phone. At first when she said that, and also told me my unlimited data package would go from $30 to $15 I was happy. As soon as I got off the phone with her and reset the phone, the internet wouldn't come back up. Had to go in to an AT&T store to get it all fixed. They had to put the IMEI of my old Inspire 4G back on the account to get everything working again. So - don't call AT&T with the IMEI =)
So - would I do all this again and spend $600 bucks. No way - its not worth it. The phone itself is nice, but I feel like I just got tossed back in time about 15 years with this incredibly slow internet and not being able to "talk & surf" at the same time. I've put the phone for sale online
Take it for what its worth

Having only Edge connection speeds just kills the entire experience on any phone regardless of how hardware/software advanced it is. Don't you guys have the Inspire? With all due respect, why would you think the Sensation would even work to it's full potential on an entirely different 3G network? Just wondering why you would set yourself up for such an expensive let down? Again no disrespect, just wondering.

It's still within 14 days . Just return it and get your loot back dude. Thanks for experimenting and posting your results for the community. You've done your part please go return it!
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There was talk that even though the phone didn't have the 850 band - it may still work on the 1900 band. No one knew for certain (at least in the posts I have read). I read online about other makes of phones that were able to get 3G on just the 1900 band - but the Sensation doesn't seem to.
It's not a huge let down - and the money isn't wasted. I have 14 days to return it, granted with a $50 fee. So it was worth (to me) a $50 experiment to perhaps get a better phone than the Inspire - not to mention its quite a bit smaller which is a huge bonus for me!

Wy did you ever do this? The sensation with at&t 3g will be released on July 5th thru Bell in Canada and already many major import sites are taking pre-orders. It's also confirmed that the bell version will be bloat free and have pure HTC ROM on it.

It's just money man! With a return policy and able to pick it up 2 blocks from my house it was worth the gamble! If it worked on the 1900 band, I was golden. If it didn't, I'd return it or sell it on craigslist.
I imagine the Bell version is going to sell for ~$150-200 higher online because it has the 850 band - supply and demand on that phone will be quite high as compared to the T-Mobile version. I'll most def. keep my eye out. Do you have the name of the website that is doing pre-orders on the Bell Canada version? Not finding anything online.

alejate76 said:
It's just money man! With a return policy and able to pick it up 2 blocks from my house it was worth the gamble! If it worked on the 1900 band, I was golden. If it didn't, I'd return it or sell it on craigslist.
I imagine the Bell version is going to sell for ~$150-200 higher online because it has the 850 band - supply and demand on that phone will be quite high as compared to the T-Mobile version. I'll most def. keep my eye out. Do you have the name of the website that is doing pre-orders on the Bell Canada version? Not finding anything online.
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I hear ya... Worth it to try if you can get a full refund. This is the site I pre-ordered from. The price is high but will be worth it. AT&T service is WAY better in my area. I only get edge on T-Mobile @ my house or I would consider jumping ship.
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_SENSATION_NAM

You could have gotten an SGS2 for about $150 more and had 4G speeds (21MB) on AT&T and used the same dumb-phone data plan. There's a guy with an SGS2 on T-Mobile U.S. in the SGS2 forum getting EDGE too. What's the point of a high-end phone that's dependent on data on a low-end network?

WOW!! $899.99 for the phone. That is A LOT man!! I could keep the Sensation I have and use it on 2G only - and have 450 bucks in my pocket. I have an Inspire sitting here next to the Sensation. Inspire is on "4G" and the Sensation on "2G". In real life tests - it takes about 1.5 seconds longer to open a website such as CNN.
The more I use the Sensation - the more I like it. Its quick - the screen is fantastic - and I'm learning to enjoy having 2G because my battery is lasting quite a bit longer than the power hogging 4G service.
This may not be a bad thing after all....

Raspster said:
I hear ya... Worth it to try if you can get a full refund. This is the site I pre-ordered from. The price is high but will be worth it. AT&T service is WAY better in my area. I only get edge on T-Mobile @ my house or I would consider jumping ship.
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_SENSATION_NAM
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Correct me if I am wrong - but isn't the GSM bands the exact same on both phones? The only difference is the UMTS spectrum which is for 3G / 4G data. I was under the impression that the voice services of the phone (ie: making phone calls) is always done via GSM.
Edge at your house via T-mobile - don't you have a wireless router the phone would connect to anyway?
(I'm starting to feel like a sales person for the T-Mobile version now - this is scary)

You do realize that it may still work on the 1900 band, but your area is in 850 towers right?

Sdobron said:
You do realize that it may still work on the 1900 band, but your area is in 850 towers right?
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Thats what I was thinking. ATT uses 850 for 3G in my area.
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I'll def. be on the lookout for the 1900 band to see about 3g connectivity. I live in Phoenix, AZ.

Ended up getting rid of the phone and waiting for the Canadian version with 850/1900
Too much money to spend on the phone with such limited capabilities. Could never get it to connect to 1900 MHz 3G from anywhere in Phoenix all the way to Tucson.

Wow is it really worth it to cough up 900 for a sensation? That is alot. I always looked to import a NAM version of smartphone to utilize my media net plan. I will have to just wait it out for a Nexus 3 maybe. I love tech but paying 900 for a phone is little out there for me.
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good very good

Can anyone tell me the apn settings for att mms? I updated with what I found in Google, but mms still doesn't woek.

I, for one, really appreciate taking one for the team. I was also curious as if it would work on AT&T's 1900 MHz band. We already know the 850 MHz wasn't listed.
Just an FYI, the only phone that works on 1900 MHz (as well as AWS) is the Vibrant (I have it now). If you're wondering if your area has 1900MHz coverage by AT&T, you can always use the Vibrant as your benchmark. I keep a Vibrant around just for this reason. I love having a phone that works with both AT&T and T-mobile 3G.
For those criticizing why not wait for an AT&T version: because some of us are interested in phones that can work on both GSM carriers here in the US.
Vibrant is confirmed, not sure about Galaxy S 4G (or really a Vibrant 4G). Of course there's the Nokia N8, but it's not an Android phone.
Some of us were excited to see if the T-Mobile HTC Sensation 4G will join the ranks.

Just so you know, the restocking fee does not apply to cancellations, only phone swaps, unless its defective, then its fee also.
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So can anyone help with mms setup on att?

4G LTE working on T-Mobile with unlocked One X

Idk if this has been confirmed, I searched a little and didn't see anything, I have an unlocked AT&T HTC One X on T-Mobile prepaid unlimited $70 plan and just started getting LTE today at home with it, speeds went up from a best of 14mbps on H+ to 22mbps the first time I ran it on LTE. This is going to be nice being that for some reason they never block my tethering so I use it as my home internet lol.

I can't believe the upload speeds, I used to never get more than 3mbps now its hitting 16mbps lol. Hooray for unlimited uncapped 4G LTE for $70 a month, and I've ran it up to 35 gigs one month so it really is uncapped.

punxnotdead185 said:
I can't believe the upload speeds, I used to never get more than 3mbps now its hitting 16mbps lol. Hooray for unlimited uncapped 4G LTE for $70 a month, and I've ran it up to 35 gigs one month so it really is uncapped.
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That's awesome, are you in a refarmed area?

Favelarx said:
That's awesome, are you in a refarmed area?
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Refarmed?

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Refarmed?
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Yeah, an area where T-Mobile changed their spectrum so that unlocked phones work on their 4g network. I don't live in a refarmed area and only get Edge speeds on my unlocked One X

Oh possibly, I live 20 miles from Minneapolis. That would explain why I get edge when I leave the cities but I don't care cuz that's like once a month.

punxnotdead185 said:
Oh possibly, I live 20 miles from Minneapolis. That would explain why I get edge when I leave the cities but I don't care cuz that's like once a month.
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Yeah, it's good to see that the unlocked One X gets T-Mobile's LTE

Lucky duck! Does anyone know if there's a website somewhere that's keeping track of this kind of data? You can't get it from T-Mobile themselves unfortunately. I'd consider leaving Straight Talk for T-Mobile if I knew I would have working data coverage in most of the places I go with LTE in my home town. I hate having to wait for wifi to do anything big. The One X in unsupported areas is so slow you couldn't google to save your life. At least with AT&T I get reasonable speeds everywhere I go except tiny little towns.

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I was wondering about switching to t-mobile for a cheaper plan, but can someone tell me that is the speed is good. Here's my speed for att
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Damn, this is faster than when I had my att sim in it.
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i used to get 4-8mbs Dl and 1-2 Upld now im getting 18-25mb with 11mbs upload.im in Los Angeles

Following up on your experience with TMO and One X
I was really glad to see your post about the One X getting LTE service on T-Mobile. I just switched to T-Mobile from AT&T with quite a few phones in my family (cut my bill almost in half!) To make a long story short I popped the T-Mobile SIM in my iPhone 5 and connected straight to the LTE network. Needless to say I was surprised because T-Mobile does not make any mention of having LTE in the Sacramento, CA area, but two reps did confirm that my LTE service was here to stay. Unfortunately my iPhone 5 and a Galaxy SIII and Note II (all originally purchased for AT&T and then unlocked for T-Mobile) seem to revert to the EDGE network and then get permanently stuck there after about ten minutes of LTE. Have you noticed that happening with your One X? I've always been a big fan of the One X and I would love to have one, but I'm not sure if it supports the HSPA+ 42 network and or how well it keeps a lock on the LTE networks for T-Mobile. I'd love to hear how you like it after having a few weeks to try it out.
Thanks and sorry it's a bit off-topic, just wanna see how the One X holds up on T-Mobile's network!

jamesbii said:
I was really glad to see your post about the One X getting LTE service on T-Mobile. I just switched to T-Mobile from AT&T with quite a few phones in my family (cut my bill almost in half!) To make a long story short I popped the T-Mobile SIM in my iPhone 5 and connected straight to the LTE network. Needless to say I was surprised because T-Mobile does not make any mention of having LTE in the Sacramento, CA area, but two reps did confirm that my LTE service was here to stay. Unfortunately my iPhone 5 and a Galaxy SIII and Note II (all originally purchased for AT&T and then unlocked for T-Mobile) seem to revert to the EDGE network and then get permanently stuck there after about ten minutes of LTE. Have you noticed that happening with your One X? I've always been a big fan of the One X and I would love to have one, but I'm not sure if it supports the HSPA+ 42 network and or how well it keeps a lock on the LTE networks for T-Mobile. I'd love to hear how you like it after having a few weeks to try it out.
Thanks and sorry it's a bit off-topic, just wanna see how the One X holds up on T-Mobile's network!
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I just sold my galaxy s2 (t989) because not only was it slower than my htc amaze, I just couldnt stand touchwiz. I cant understand why anyone would want to own a samsung galaxy smartphone, easier to brick, no access to hboot, nice screen, hardily any widgets, lags when switching apps, I dunno, I just realized I made a mistake trading my amaze for an s2, and I almost got a one s, but my dad has one, and I figured he would always be cool with trading me whatever I bought, so I took a $250 risk with an Att one x unlocked. I had no idea that it even had lte! Not to mention that I didnt think tmobile had lte cranked up in my city (Jax,Fl). Im very much stoked with a really nice phone that downloaded venomxl rom in less than five minutes.

I live north of Atlanta and switched to T-Mobile several months ago. They rolled our LTE this summer and so far the speeds have been great. I regularly get 25-35 mbps down and 15-20 mbps up. I only get HSPA while in my apartment, but am still able to achieve speeds in the high singles to mid-teens. Coverage here is decent although I have noticed several dead spots, most noticeably along GA400 north of town which is a major highway. Kind of unforgivable but I am hoping the spectrum purchased in the MetroPCS acquisition will better coverage since they had a big presence here as well. All in all, I am happy with the service and glad I switched from AT&T.

I get good speeds when I'm outside.
I'm on an good signal area yet I have basically unusable data inside.
I actually just wrote T-Mo a letter requesting an ETF Waiver because of the bad service.
I almost got fired because of missing a text...
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Can you help me I'm just switched to T-Mobile but I can't get internet or sms on my phone please help me
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max1099 said:
Can you help me I'm just switched to T-Mobile but I can't get internet or sms on my phone please help me
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Did you check your APNs?
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timmaaa said:
Did you check your APNs?
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Wen I insert the sim card it didn't showe any sons I tried differents tmobile sons but didn't work
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max1099 said:
Wen I insert the sim card it didn't showe any sons I tried differents tmobile sons but didn't work
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I mean apns not sons sorry

Did you any signal at all? Or just no data?
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AT&T - Just activated last night - Issues

Hello all,
I love being able to go on a forum again... I have been rocking an iPhone for the past year. Anyway, I just put my sim card yesterday. Unplugged this morning at 6:30AM., already down to 41%... I uninstalled most of everything. This is an E6653 Unlocked from Handtec.
Do I have to do anything special to make this work better with ATT. It's working, but the signal has not gone past 4G. I know for a fact that there is great LTE right from where Iam typing this. But blah. Do I need to call ATT and tell them I'm no longer using an iPhone?
The battery I'm guessing it's just settling. It was warm this morning, maybe some enrant thing from booting up yesterday. After a recycle today, it seems fine.

'4G' icon means 'LTE' though (on international models). Check this one out -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62587394&postcount=83
But your speed could still be throttled. ATT used to have 'different' LTE plans for iphones (they still do - I think). So people had to call ATT to put them on android LTE plan. Then ATT used to ask them to provide 'ATT branded' android phone's IMEI to activate the plan. It was a PITA & happened only when people were switching from iphone to android & vice versa (android to android has always been fine on ATT)

I just called ATT., and redid the APN's for ATT. Just to be safe. Still says 4G., it's my understanding that it should say H+ or something along those lines. But what you sent says it means mid ground. With the 4G, I'm getting 11Mbps Down, 5Mbps Up...

rmd0311 said:
I just called ATT., and redid the APN's for ATT. Just to be safe. Still says 4G., it's my understanding that it should say H+ or something along those lines. But what you sent says it means mid ground. With the 4G, I'm getting 11Mbps Down, 5Mbps Up...
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Did you reboot after ATT has changed your plan? 4G & LTE icons are mutually exclusive on Sony phones (country dependent) & they both represent 'LTE' in the US. So yes, yours should say H+ according to the speed, which can also vary wildly even on LTE. Check out the screenshot - all three were done on LTE. Interestingly, the second one was the slowest one when I added 'hipri' to 'APN type'. You don't have that, do you?

schecter7 said:
Did you reboot after ATT has changed your plan? 4G & LTE icons are mutually exclusive on Sony phones (country dependent) & they both represent 'LTE' in the US. So yes, yours should say H+ according to the speed, which can also vary wildly even on LTE. Check out the screenshot - all three were done on LTE. Interestingly, the second one was the slowest one when I added 'hipri' to 'APN type'. You don't have that, do you?
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Those three speedtests were run at the same location using the same tower?!
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rmd0311 said:
I just called ATT., and redid the APN's for ATT. Just to be safe. Still says 4G., it's my understanding that it should say H+ or something along those lines. But what you sent says it means mid ground. With the 4G, I'm getting 11Mbps Down, 5Mbps Up...
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I've got the E6653 on AT&T and it only shows 4G as well. As schecter7 stated, 4G is LTE on Sony international firmware. You are correct about battery as well, it does settle down after several cycles.

So., phone finally died. At 2:44PM when I unplugged it at 6:30AM. That is shameful. Hopefully it was just the first run... I did nothing intensive, no videos, no anything. Ran waze for 15-20 minutes during morning commute. It died half way through my walk this afternoon using RunKeeper.

augie7107 said:
Those three speedtests were run at the same location using the same tower?!
Yep, while I was sitting at the same spot & watching movies! Talk about the nation's most reliable LTE network lol But I live downtown & my ATT line is consistently faster than my other Tmob line. So I can't complain.
Also someone mentioned adding 'hipri' [=high priority] to 'APN Type' speeds up things. But it did exactly the opposite thing (second ~2mpbs reading) lol So that case was an outlier. But I do see 10-50 mbps range daily.
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schecter7 said:
augie7107 said:
Those three speedtests were run at the same location using the same tower?!
Yep, while I was sitting at the same spot & watching movies! Talk about the nation's most reliable LTE network lol But I live downtown & my ATT line is consistently faster than my other Tmob line. So I can't complain.
Also someone mentioned adding 'hipri' [=high priority] to 'APN Type' speeds up things. But it did exactly the opposite thing (second ~2mpbs reading) lol So that case was an outlier. But I do see 10-50 mbps range daily.
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That is wild, thanks for the clarification. Also, based on your advice, I am going to remove hipri from my APN as well. I entered mine manually after I could not get LTE at all even though it was present. I found out AT&T downgraded my account to 3G only after using a Xiaomi device for a few months. I had to call and give them an LTE IMEI to get it switched back. Of course, I used an IMEI from a LTE AT&T device I have in my closet as the Z5 one was showing up as an old Sony P900 on the website under my account.
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4G is LTE on a US network. If you had a US, Canada or Mexico firmware, then it would show up as LTE. Once one of these stock firmwares get released from Sony, then you can flash it and it'll show LTE.
As for your battery, let it recycle a couple of times and if it's still a problem, you can always reset the phone.

rmd0311 said:
Hello all,
I love being able to go on a forum again... I have been rocking an iPhone for the past year. Anyway, I just put my sim card yesterday. Unplugged this morning at 6:30AM., already down to 41%... I uninstalled most of everything. This is an E6653 Unlocked from Handtec.
Do I have to do anything special to make this work better with ATT. It's working, but the signal has not gone past 4G. I know for a fact that there is great LTE right from where Iam typing this. But blah. Do I need to call ATT and tell them I'm no longer using an iPhone?
The battery I'm guessing it's just settling. It was warm this morning, maybe some enrant thing from booting up yesterday. After a recycle today, it seems fine.
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Going back to iPhone? See your Z5 on Ebay. Out of curiosity I have to ask why?

augie7107 said:
Going back to iPhone? See your Z5 on Ebay. Out of curiosity I have to ask why?
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I liked it.. and gave it a whopping two days.... I just can't get used to Android again. Plus, while I was all giddy about getting it, and finally getting everything perfect. My entire house is all iPhones, iPads and MacBooks. I have turned into the ultimate iSheep, if this amazing phone could not pull me back. Not sure what would.
It's on eBay and CG locally. Should sell, if not, the RMA is already set with Handtec will just ship back on Monday.

rmd0311 said:
I liked it.. and gave it a whopping two days.... I just can't get used to Android again. Plus, while I was all giddy about getting it, and finally getting everything perfect. My entire house is all iPhones, iPads and MacBooks. I have turned into the ultimate iSheep, if this amazing phone could not pull me back. Not sure what would.
It's on eBay and CG locally. Should sell, if not, the RMA is already set with Handtec will just ship back on Monday.
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Definitely understand. I don't knock Apple because I've never tried it. Nice having you around, for a few days anyway Enjoy the weekend.

Why not go to Settings -> About Phone -> Status to check what kind of signal you are getting? It should correctly tell you whether you are on LTE regardless what you see on notification bar.

spielnicht said:
4G is LTE on a US network. If you had a US, Canada or Mexico firmware, then it would show up as LTE. Once one of these stock firmwares get released from Sony, then you can flash it and it'll show LTE.
As for your battery, let it recycle a couple of times and if it's still a problem, you can always reset the phone.
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Factory resetting doesn't do anything, of the firmware is somehow corrupted you would be installing the same thing over and over. Yes it will reset caches but that can be done much faster and simpler.
I know first hand about the firmware problems, I'm on my 4th Z5 now previous ones had horrible battery life. This one is alright but not fantastic. Especially compare to my old Z3.

I would like to add..I am using Att and have the lte apn set-up.
It actually says LTE
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Joosty, any issues using it on ATT so far? How is battery life for you?

It's going quite well. Reception is great. Nothing out of the normal.
I managed 2 hours screen time with 50% battery left.
I'd say the battery should last you a day with heavy use.
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I just received my Xperia Z5 E6653 from Clove UK.
I got my nano sim from AT&T and they set it up to use the Z5 IMEI and it would only show 4G at the top of the screen.
We fiddled around with it in the store and were unable to get LTE working so we set the IMEI back to my Galaxy S5. Still no 4G LTE.
I am using the standard AT&T LTE APN.
Please help

4G is LTE on UK firmware, check speed test.

augie7107 said:
4G is LTE on UK firmware, check speed test.
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This is the most frequently asked question by the US folks. I can't blame them though. Remember Xperia Play 4G ? LMAO
Since OP, the ultimate isheep (just kidding ), left this thread behind, let me go retarded for a second
Read the post above by augie7107 before you dare to ask this 4G question

US T-Mobile

So I have bought a HTC u11 plus and should get it today. What I have done the past week is check my bands at the places I visit most. And while driving. I used lte discovery app to help me with this and some Google searches. In my findings band 2 is hardly used when I am at home or driving. My 1+5 is always on band 4 or 12. At home is the only place where it is on band 2 but it switches to 4 and uses this mostly but I use wifi calling at home due to coverage sucking at my house. I did a Google search on band 2 and it is not very good around my areas. So people with TMobile USA should be fine to get this phone and use here. Also my cousin has a HTC 10 from overseas which has less bands enabled and has never had an issue with lte or call connection with TMobile. Once I get the phone I will do more testing for TMobile folks. Let me know your results if you have any.

cameljockey1 said:
So I have bought a HTC u11 plus and should get it today. What I have done the past week is check my bands at the places I visit most. And while driving. I used lte discovery app to help me with this and some Google searches. In my findings band 2 is hardly used when I am at home or driving. My 1+5 is always on band 4 or 12. At home is the only place where it is on band 2 but it switches to 4 and uses this mostly but I use wifi calling at home due to coverage sucking at my house. I did a Google search on band 2 and it is not very good around my areas. So people with TMobile USA should be fine to get this phone and use here. Also my cousin has a HTC 10 from overseas which has less bands enabled and has never had an issue with lte or call connection with TMobile. Once I get the phone I will do more testing for TMobile folks. Let me know your results if you have any.
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Any updates, CJ? Thinking about doing this myself, but I worry about that Band 2. Thanks!

R2-Brute said:
Any updates, CJ? Thinking about doing this myself, but I worry about that Band 2. Thanks!
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Lol i got the notification on this and saw CJ. For a minute i was like is he referring to me? Who the heck is CJ lol i laughed after i figured it out. . Anyway so after having the phone in my hands with all of its beauty and awesomeness. I could not take it anymore. This phone works great if you have a wifi and data connection all the time. But for people who still makes voice phone calls it is the worst.. so bad i put it on ebay yesterday. I got so frustrated the other day. I was trying to make a call and when you do, it drops down to 2g,3g. The call qualty on that is horrible. The calls always dropped and when i did have a good connection the quality was horrible. Half the time i would not get text messages and not everyone uses whats app and that is what i was trying to use because i always will have data. No VOLTE which i missed no WIfi calling which does come in handy. So i kept looking and band 2 does more than LTE I believe that band 2 also deals with AWS which is needed for calling. Man i tried.... i tried to put up with it here in the states. The phone itself is just amazing the Pixel that got away is what i call it. So if you are here in the states Dont buy it unless you have data connection and everyone has like data messaging or calling for a strong data connection. I am really sad and dissapointed at HTC the phone i have been waiting for since the HTC sensation 4g. Hopes this helps.

cameljockey1 said:
Lol i got the notification on this and saw CJ. For a minute i was like is he referring to me? Who the heck is CJ lol i laughed after i figured it out. . Anyway so after having the phone in my hands with all of its beauty and awesomeness. I could not take it anymore. This phone works great if you have a wifi and data connection all the time. But for people who still makes voice phone calls it is the worst.. so bad i put it on ebay yesterday. I got so frustrated the other day. I was trying to make a call and when you do, it drops down to 2g,3g. The call qualty on that is horrible. The calls always dropped and when i did have a good connection the quality was horrible. Half the time i would not get text messages and not everyone uses whats app and that is what i was trying to use because i always will have data. No VOLTE which i missed no WIfi calling which does come in handy. So i kept looking and band 2 does more than LTE I believe that band 2 also deals with AWS which is needed for calling. Man i tried.... i tried to put up with it here in the states. The phone itself is just amazing the Pixel that got away is what i call it. So if you are here in the states Dont buy it unless you have data connection and everyone has like data messaging or calling for a strong data connection. I am really sad and dissapointed at HTC the phone i have been waiting for since the HTC sensation 4g. Hopes this helps.
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Well, crap. Thank you for conducting the experiment. Yeah, it's the Pixel 2XL WITH an sd card slot, which is what I want, except apparently without Band 2, the thing's hobbled. I was gonna install the Google HDR+ camera app and have it all! Damn.
I got my hopes up because I saw reports of people bringing the Exynos Note 8 over here and getting it to work, but IT has Band 2! Seriously, how tough is it to add these bands! Do people want to sell phones or not?!!
Anyway, thanks again. An answer is an answer, even if it's not the one I was hoping for.
And yeah, if you're reclaiming that term, I completely respect that, but I still gotta go with CJ.

Sucks to hear that. I've been using my HTC U11+ in the Bay Area for about two weeks now and so far it's been absolutely flawless. Not a single issue finding LTE or dropping calls.

Eclipsed830 said:
Sucks to hear that. I've been using my HTC U11+ in the Bay Area for about two weeks now and so far it's been absolutely flawless. Not a single issue finding LTE or dropping calls.
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I've had the phone since late December and have had the same experience in the greater Baltimore area. Must be different bands/stronger network in our areas.

Chund3r said:
I've had the phone since late December and have had the same experience in the greater Baltimore area. Must be different bands/stronger network in our areas.
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If you don’t mind me asking where and which model did you order?
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JrWriter87 said:
If you don’t mind me asking where and which model did you order?
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Sorry for the delayed response, but I got it from Amazon. Took about 4-5 days to receive it even though Amazons system said 2 weeks. I also just noticed that it's a decent amount cheaper now as well compared to when I bought it in December by over $100.
HTC U11 Plus (2Q4D100) 6GB / 128GB 6.0-inches LTE Dual SIM Factory Unlocked - International Stock No Warranty (Ceramic Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07849L28F/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_TMqHAbDAA316F

Chund3r said:
I've had the phone since late December and have had the same experience in the greater Baltimore area. Must be different bands/stronger network in our areas.
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I agree with this I've had zero issues so far since getting this phone. Only had it for a day now but prior to I ran LTE Discover on my HTC U11 and saw I very rarely used Band 2 (San Diego). After some digging I saw how Band 2 works on T-Mobile and I'm OK without it. I'll be in Vegas in a week so I'll be curious how it holds up there, though I don't really expect hiccups. The one thing I do want to get back is VOLTE/VOWIFI.

Chund3r said:
I've had the phone since late December and have had the same experience in the greater Baltimore area. Must be different bands/stronger network in our areas.
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I'm not far from you and I just picked up my U11+ from Swappa. Does this phone actually read "4G LTE" when in LTE service area? I have not seen it yet. I have the Nexus 6 and a Note 5 and both have had that when in and around Maryland. THanks for replying when you do.

LadyDi said:
I'm not far from you and I just picked up my U11+ from Swappa. Does this phone actually read "4G LTE" when in LTE service area? I have not seen it yet. I have the Nexus 6 and a Note 5 and both have had that when in and around Maryland. THanks for replying when you do.
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No, it just says 4G. However, when using apps such as Speed Test by Ookla, it says I'm connected to "LTE T-Mobile", and the speed test are roughly what I was getting on my previous iPhone 6S Plus.

Chund3r said:
No, it just says 4G. However, when using apps such as Speed Test by Ookla, it says I'm connected to "LTE T-Mobile", and the speed test are roughly what I was getting on my previous iPhone 6S Plus.
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Thank you. I did install LTE Discovery and was able to get information on what band I am on and more. It keeps flipping back to 'H' loads which is made me wondering what I might be doing wrong if it is not in the phone itself. I am in a strong 4G LTE area for work (base) and home. My Nexus 6 and my Note 5 always read 4G LTE in an area as such. I still love this phone even though it's not 2 weeks old yet.

I'm tempted to get this for an upgrade from my HTC 10. I don't care too much about the dual camera for the HTC 12+, plus I want it in Red which might not even come out in the US. So with the bigger battery 3,900 mah, about $200 less and the red color now. Would this be a good buy if I typically travel around the east coast?

I have one I purchased on a recent trip overseas to Taiwan. My carrier here in the US is Tmobile and I only have connectivity issues in rural areas. Can someone point me to a stock ROM from Tmobile that would be compatible with this phone?
Thanks.