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I've found on my Note 10.1 that the accuracy of the S-Pen gets worse near the edges of the display. At the very edges it's off by about 1 mm or slightly more. I can't say it's really caused any problems but I'm wondering if this is normal and if there's any method to better calibrate it?
I've been having the same issue, or at least I noticed it recently...
Does anyone know anything about this problem?
This has been bothering me a lot lately, especially since i use my Note for note taking. Bump in case someone knows the solution.
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Here's the response from Samsung support:
Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Care.
We understand that while using the S pen near edges it looses accuracy.
We are sorry to hear that.
Please try replacing the S pen tip to isolate and fix the issue.
It is not possible to calibrate the digitizer.
Thank you for contacting Samsung.
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I''''ve found the S-Pen (as viewed by enabling the hovering pointer) loses accuracy the closer to the edge of the screen the pen is used. At the edges it is off by at least 1 mm. About 1 cm in from the edges the accuracy is good.
Is this a defect in my unit or are they all like this? is there any way to recalibrate the digitizer to improve accuracy?
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I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
nahuelarg86 said:
Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
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Yes, it is annoying. I wonder if there's any dev we can convince to write a remapping layer to fix this issue.
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Here's the response from Samsung support:
I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
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I wouldn't expect much help from a company that hires people who don't know the difference between "loses" and "looses". That's sad.
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Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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Hi to all. I am having a note 2, it has the same s pen as all the note series... i had that problem but it fixed when i did update! Try to go on developers options and check 'show pointer location' to check if the problem is the spen or the software.
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
Scorpion_Ibm said:
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
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Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
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Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
Post results!
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Thanks for trying to help .... the slight offset near the edges is no problem for me but i had a relatively bigger offset near the top (near the cameras) but that appeared to be due to the magnetic part in the book cover i had what an idiot .. i thought the camera had magnetic parts that do this and forgot the magnet of my book cover
So now what i really have is the offset near the edges
For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
tmagritte said:
For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
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May be try this app with this kernel the post says that it can successfully reset the Spen callibration
Post with kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299406
App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.whitedavidp.reset.spen
It was the case
wiien said:
Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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That was it for me. The case was causing that. When I read your post I realized that my case has a keyboard and you can remove it. It stays in place with a magnet. So I removed it and it works as expected. so now I know to get it on the edges it's that. Thanks:good:
I don't understand why reviewers when reviewing or comparing phone, always say this phone has very good viewing angle etc, to me that is a defect, it's a phone not a TV. I don't want people on the train to see what's on my phone, I don't want my colleges to see what shares I am trading or my girlfriend to see what I am watching on the internet.
Why people want good viewing angle on their phone? keep it to 50 degrees not 178 degree please...
Why did you create this thread is the real question?
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I often have my phone sitting on my desk off to my side. I don't always want to pick it up every time I want to check it if a casual glance will do.
The better question is, what in the world are you doing on your phone that you're so worried about your girlfriend seeing?
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I don't understand why reviewers when reviewing or comparing phone, always say this phone has very good viewing angle etc, to me that is a defect, it's a phone not a TV. I don't want people on the train to see what's on my phone, I don't want my colleges to see what shares I am trading or my girlfriend to see what I am watching on the internet.
Why people want good viewing angle on their phone? keep it to 50 degrees not 178 degree please...
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Because when you thoroughly analyze a display you look at it from wait for it wait for it wait for it different viewing angles ( pun intended), color reproduction, sharpness, ppi, dpi, outdoor visibility, brightness levels, whites, blacks, viewing angles, color saturation.....
Yes most people don't look at the screen from the sides but this is the way folks judge a screen. Imagine you have a big TV in your living room and you have a bunch of friends that come to visit, you have a couch in the middle in front of the TV and 2 couches on the sides but because the TV display sucks and has bad viewing angles your friends can't see jack sh*t!!!! So now they have to sit on your lap to watch TV LMAO!
FinancialWar said:
I don't understand why reviewers when reviewing or comparing phone, always say this phone has very good viewing angle etc, to me that is a defect, it's a phone not a TV. I don't want people on the train to see what's on my phone, I don't want my colleges to see what shares I am trading or my girlfriend to see what I am watching on the internet.
Why people want good viewing angle on their phone? keep it to 50 degrees not 178 degree please...
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Do you never share anything with anyone on your phone? I'm often showing friends YouTube videos or a bunch of people are playing a game such as 4 Pics 1 Word. I understand why people such as yourself wouldn't want viewing angles to be good, but there are many who do want good viewing angles, and you can't just slap on a screen protector to improve angles but you can to reduce them.
You don't need a 180° viewing angle to share content with few friends.
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FinancialWar said:
I don't understand why reviewers when reviewing or comparing phone, always say this phone has very good viewing angle etc, to me that is a defect, it's a phone not a TV. I don't want people on the train to see what's on my phone, I don't want my colleges to see what shares I am trading or my girlfriend to see what I am watching on the internet.
Why people want good viewing angle on their phone? keep it to 50 degrees not 178 degree please...
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I think there is marketing trick wich really work and nothing more. For me to override the bright screen, no glare.
Because it can be feeling good
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igungalmin said:
Because it can be feeling good
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Your phone invert colors from oblique angles?
FinancialWar said:
You don't need a 180° viewing angle to share content with few friends.
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No but a good angle certainly helps. I agree with the post above that says this thread is pretty pointless.
FinancialWar said:
I don't understand why reviewers when reviewing or comparing phone, always say this phone has very good viewing angle etc, to me that is a defect, it's a phone not a TV. I don't want people on the train to see what's on my phone, I don't want my colleges to see what shares I am trading or my girlfriend to see what I am watching on the internet.
Why people want good viewing angle on their phone? keep it to 50 degrees not 178 degree please...
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You are somewhat right but there are some very grave flaws in your argument.
A display with superior viewing angles is superior to display with bad viewing angles.
What you want, is an inferior display as a standard because you feel that people may be watching your phone, Yes, the answer to that is a TN panel phone or whatever display Sony put in the Xperia Z.
Since you do not know the positives in phone with good viewing angles , I can help you with that.
1. Get a laptop with garbage viewing angles, a laptop with a TN Panel and then try to watch something or look at it for some time. See if you get annoyed. I have a laptop with a TN panel. Its viewing angles are so bad, I have to constantly move the thing so that some part does not appear completely bad, I can only look at my laptop in a certain angle, miss that angle, and looking at it becomes an eyesore.
My laptope compared to my IPS panel phone looks completely garbage by the way.
2. Confort. Have many people on this planet look at the phone at a direct 90° perpendicular to the screen? None. TN panles would be an eyesore when using a phone because if you hold it wrong, the colors will appear messed up.
Oh, and try using a TN panel on a table...Good luck.
3. If you want to voice a complaint, go to a review site and maybe try to contact a journalist.
4. I dont think its possible to have good display with bad viewing angles. That technologically impossible.
I agree with shadowcore above me, reading the thread on my phone I've already between through a few positions of holding it, some far from an optimal viewing angle.
I'd probably be miserable if I had to hold it a certain way to view what's on the screen correctly.
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If you're watching something you don't want your girlfriend to see, how can you even keep the screen at a 90 degree angle ? And if she's in a position to be able to see the phone I'm pretty sure she can see whatever else you're doing, bad viewing angle or no.
If someone is literally standing right behind you trade stocks later if you're that paranoid.
If something is so sensitive that a poor view from a few feet away is enough to tip off people on the train to call the cops, maybe don't do that on a train.
I understand the concern for privacy, but a phone is already tiny and there are some things you probably shouldn't be doing in public if you don't want to get arrested, anyway.
Quite often, a poor viewing angle also correlates with a generally poor screen in regards to contrast and colours, therefore a better viewing angle quite often means a better screen
Because not everyone uses their phone to secretly watch porn.
If a phone has a small viewing angle, it has a crap screen. I refuse to pay for a crap screen.
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ShadowLea said:
Because not everyone uses their phone to secretly watch porn.
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That's why I can't wait for Google Glass.
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No but a good angle certainly helps. I agree with the post above that says this thread is pretty pointless.
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That's pretty arrogant of you. God Forbid anyone have an opinion.
Good viewing angle!
That's very important while watching porn
I'm going to build an android phone and I want to know what features are you most interested in. This includes thickness, screen size, battery life over thinness of phone, softkeys vs capacitive buttons, etc. Anything you want your dream android phone to have/be.
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I'm going to build an android phone and I want to know what features are you most interested in. This includes thickness, screen size, battery life over thinness of phone, softkeys vs capacitive buttons, etc. Anything you want your dream android phone to have/be.
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Hahaha lol are you for real?
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BlackGURU said:
Hahaha lol are you for real?
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Yes. I'm teaming up with some engineers at my college and we're going to see what we can do
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Fully voice controlled
Water proof
A personal voice controlled assistant
Thats too much for now
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Fully voice controlled
Water proof
A personal voice controlled assistant...
Thats too much
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Bring it on. Say anything you want it to have.
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DON'T make it water proof. Instead give it a proper heat dissipation system. It seems that so many breakthroughs happen in colleges, maybe your technology will be used (with royalty) by Samsung or Apple.
Make sure it has a mostly metal (aluminum works best) backplate. Then, this will act as a heatsink, which will dissipate heat faster than a plastic back.
The bezel/midframe should be injected TPU. TPU is durable, RF transparent, grippy and shock absorbing. It should protect the screen via a 1mm lip. Also, should the phone drop, the TPU should absorb the impact, not the chassis or screen.
Don't take ergonomics into consideration. It should be the shape of an iPhone. Just a (much bigger)box. You don't even need rounded corners. This doesn't have to look pretty, it has to be functional.
Put the buttons to the sides. It is way easier to press a power or volume button if it is to the side.
Dont use capacitive buttons. Use a Nav bar like the Nexus and X and G2. Those are highly customizable and can be remapped according to preference unlike capacitive buttons.
Use a 720p display. Those are much cheaper.
Lol I'll add more if I think of anything. I'm just listing the mistakes of current MFG's.
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Question:
Where are you going to get an SoC?
It would be cool if you could get an S800, but I'm pretty sure you can't just pick them up like potatoes.
Are you going to build your own microchip? And modem/radio? For data and WiFi and Bluetooth and NFC?
Same with the camera. Where are you going to find a single module?
I guess you could theoretically cannibalize a device that has the parts you want, but... I dunno.
EDIT: Lol I just realized. You could get an OEM main board from a website and cannibalize that. Or even use it as is?
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DON'T make it water proof. Instead give it a proper heat dissipation system. It seems that so many breakthroughs happen in colleges, maybe your technology will be used (with royalty) by Samsung or Apple.
Make sure it has a mostly metal (aluminum works best) backplate. Then, this will act as a heatsink, which will dissipate heat faster than a plastic back.
The bezel/midframe should be injected TPU. TPU is durable, RF transparent, grippy and shock absorbing. It should protect the screen via a 1mm lip. Also, should the phone drop, the TPU should absorb the impact, not the chassis or screen.
Don't take ergonomics into consideration. It should be the shape of an iPhone. Just a (much bigger)box. You don't even need rounded corners. This doesn't have to look pretty, it has to be functional.
Put the buttons to the sides. It is way easier to press a power or volume button if it is to the side.
Dont use capacitive buttons. Use a Nav bar like the Nexus and X and G2. Those are highly customizable and can be remapped according to preference unlike capacitive buttons.
Use a 720p display. Those are much cheaper.
Lol I'll add more if I think of anything. I'm just listing the mistakes of current MFG's.
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Where are you going to get an SoC?
It would be cool if you could get an S800, but I'm pretty sure you can't just pick them up like potatoes.
Are you going to build your own microchip? And modem/radio? For data and WiFi and Bluetooth and NFC?
Same with the camera. Where are you going to find a single module?
I guess you could theoretically cannibalize a device that has the parts you want, but... I dunno.
EDIT: Lol I just realized. You could get an OEM main board from a website and cannibalize that. Or even use it as is?
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Thank you very much for your suggestions. We were planning on using an aluminum casing to keep it cool and prevent overheating but we plan on somehow implementing waterproof capabilities also. In the future we do plan on making our own chips but for now we're focusing on design and battery. We using donated android phones that we can take apart and build around it. Thank you specifically for the drop/impact consideration. Slipped our minds. For the screen I just thought about having it cave in so if it does fall flat on the screen in hopefully a flat surface it wouldn't cause cracks to form on the screen.
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Honestly?
The ability for it to order pizza for me.
I just want to say: "I want a Pepperoni pizza from Domino's" and it would do the rest for me.
Oh a more serious note however, an AM/FM receiver as well as transmitter would be aweosme.
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Thank you very much for your suggestions. We were planning on using an aluminum casing to keep it cool and prevent overheating but we plan on somehow implementing waterproof capabilities also. In the future we do plan on making our own chips but for now we're focusing on design and battery. We using donated android phones that we can take apart and build around it. Thank you specifically for the drop/impact consideration. Slipped our minds. For the screen I just thought about having it cave in so if it does fall flat on the screen in hopefully a flat surface it wouldn't cause cracks to form on the screen.
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If you use a concave screen, you will lose precious space, something you can't afford to do with a homemade smartphone. You could try using silicon anode batteries, which will leave you a TON more space, but those dont last too many cycles and are still in the testing phase. Instead of not letting water get in, maybe you could spray the internals with a water replellant? That would make the circuitry hydrophobic and would still allow you to make the phone's case porous.
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Oh a more serious note however, an AM/FM receiver as well as transmitter would be aweosme.
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First off: receiving AM requires a Ferrite bar of some sort, something that can't be fitted into a smartphone.
Second:Transmitter? I think that would take up a lot of space and power.
But the OP said to bring it on, so...
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Oh and if you end up using an Aluminum case, remember, you need to somehow make it RF transparent. You can't just make it like an iTouch because then you wouldn't get any cell signal.
I recommend using a polycarbonate chassis/frame to mount everything on, with an AL backplate glued or screwed onto the back and TPU injected into the sides via a sort of exoskeletal mold.
Then, just glue the glass onto the edges over the LCD/digitizer.
List of features I want in my next phone
~ pico-projector
http://www.rdmag.com/news/2013/07/team-develops-mems-pico-projector-screen-technology-smartphones
And fast object tracking for the cammera
http://m.phys.org/news/2013-06-ultra-high-camera-ball-tracker-japan.html
~ full size USB port
~ water resistant
~ slide out or fold out keyboard
~~ if fold out then two screens please
~~ if slide out then I understand sacking the water resistance
~ shock resistant
~ induction charging capable
~ dule-booted out of the box with Linux and Android
~ dockable
~ long battery life
I've been doing research down the lines of new powering methods (batteries and charging) and work publicly on dule-boot methods so feel free to hit me up on that and I'm willing to help out however I can.
Edited 08122013- to add link. Note; the same tech for "painting" the image with a fast moving mirror is now being used for a new kind of "stedy-cam" ... Link to that to that now added ... I imagine that it might be possible to have the cammera and lasers co-habitate and use the same mirror. This would alow for an auto corect on the image being projected to run and ensure a good viewing experiance.
One more feture for the entertaiment side of things; Bluetooth out to another android, I'm working on an adaptive soround sound that works off GPS and pipeing out sound bassed off location... curently in the resurch side of R&D'ing that with my dule-boot setup.
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Debian Kit/QEMU Linux Install guide for all android devices that I'm writing:
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Now have working Installers for ARM Java 7 JDK + Maptools + jMonkey
I want my android phones and tablets to be attachable to each other to form one bigger screen and surround sound!
i've always preferred practicality and functionality over aesthetics.
some of the things that i would like are:
1. dedicated camera shutter button.
2. dual boot out of the box.
3. hardware enclosure for the camera lens.
4. full size USB port.
5. i dont mind if the phone is a bit thick, but do provide a decent battery.
6. xenon flash for Gods sake.
7. A spectacular 2.1 speaker system, (my old chinese mobile had this, an actual woofer in a phone)
8. a screen not bigger than 4.7".
So my friends and i were talking about how the SGS4 has the barometer and all of those weather sensors and we were thinking that it was no use. What do yu guys think? Is this important to you? I mean you could really just go online and check. Also just wanted to say thank you for your input on this project. We really want to make an android phone that has all the features that you always wanted no matter how big or small.
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An atsc ota tv tuner would be awesome. Watch ota tv with no data charges.
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So my friends and i were talking about how the SGS4 has the barometer and all of those weather sensors and we were thinking that it was no use. What do yu guys think? Is this important to you? I mean you could really just go online and check. Also just wanted to say thank you for your input on this project. We really want to make an android phone that has all the features that you always wanted no matter how big or small.
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A barometer and temperature sensor seems useless to me as well. You can get this info from weather services. If you're inside, knowing the exact indoor temperature is not necessary for most situations.
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Larger battery over thinness. All that should ever be cared about is performance and features.
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kankanmeli said:
i've always preferred practicality and functionality over aesthetics.
some of the things that i would like are:
1. dedicated camera shutter button.
2. dual boot out of the box.
3. hardware enclosure for the camera lens.
4. full size USB port.
5. i dont mind if the phone is a bit thick, but do provide a decent battery.
6. xenon flash for Gods sake.
7. A spectacular 2.1 speaker system, (my old chinese mobile had this, an actual woofer in a phone)
8. a screen not bigger than 4.7".
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2 5 6 7 I fully support.
1 could be replaced with a conveniently placed power or volume down button.
I don't understand 3. Does that mean the camera module and lens are independent of the rest of the phone?
4, it would probably be better to make a micro USB to full USB adapter. It would add a lot more space for a big battery.
8 would be nice! Unfortunately, unless OP is a magician, he won't be able to reach that. It's something to work toward, but I think it might be too hard for the first run.
Veener said:
An atsc ota tv tuner would be awesome. Watch ota tv with no data charges.
A barometer and temperature sensor seems useless to me as well. You can get this info from weather services. If you're inside, knowing the exact indoor temperature is not necessary for most situations.
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As with the full USB port, it would probably be easier to add an OTG OTA TV tuner adapter.
I agree with the uselessness of the thermometer and barometer.
Add those to the list of crappy gimmicks that nobody cares about or uses.
I skimmed through most of what everyone has posted so far and I didn't see anyone else suggesting this yet, but if its been suggested I apologize.
Solar power charging capabilities.
For example fabricate a small solar panel that can fit behind the battery cover so that when you're driving/ working outside you can be using your device and it also can be charging without having to be connected to a power source. I Dont even know if that's possible but it would be cool.
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I skimmed through most of what everyone has posted so far and I didn't see anyone else suggesting this yet, but if its been suggested I apologize.
Solar power charging capabilities.
For example fabricate a small solar panel that can fit behind the battery cover so that when you're driving/ working outside you can be using your device and it also can be charging without having to be connected to a power source. I Dont even know if that's possible but it would be cool.
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I second that.
If ya take a look at some of the ramblelings over here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1936855
(3 Cell battery mod)... that I've been having with another user you'll find some useful links on solar tech that's flexible, simi-transparent, and thin. There be other things such as graphien(sp?) super capacitors that are strong, conduct heat and electricity well, so well that in the future we may have devices that have a 5 to 10 minuet re-charge with tens of hours for discharge... I kinda keep an ear to the ground and an eye on the sky...
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Next link points to a person that's video logging their steps to make graphene at home
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...3EkkkQ&usg=AFQjCNFDlqglra1Lrj4-Xo5yzIZD8uSQvg
Next link points to one of many flexible solar options available. I think this would be nice on some kind of pull out that allows the user to expand the surface area on demand.
http://store.sundancesolar.com/powulflexthi.html
Next link points to transparent solar, which could be used for part of the device's screen
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...at-will-allow-your-smartphone-to-power-itself
Next link wraps it back up with graphene doing it all? Quite possibly... and if so then really all one would need is the correct build methods and resins to make a very hard to break, long lasting charge, persistently charging, and almost what ever shape wanted
http://dailyfusion.net/2013/05/tran...ode-makes-flexible-solar-cells-possible-9390/
There be more out there but using those as a start point will get anyone caught up on some of the sweet things happening down those lines.
Now on to another, so far, un-mentioned feature that would be amazing to have tossed in...
http://makezine.com/2013/08/14/ambient-backscatter/
This one is of a coolness factor I'll not try to describe, just check it and dream a reality into existence with me
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Debian Kit/QEMU Linux Install guide for all android devices that I'm writing:
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Now have working Installers for ARM Java 7 JDK + Maptools + jMonkey
Anymore requests? We plan on starting building a prototype soon.
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Hey,
I guess I'm not the only who is annyoed by the wobbly hardware buttons. They are a bit loose and make an annoying sound when the Nexus is in motion (e.g. touching the colume controls with the index fingers when being on the phone; holding the device in one hand and using the upper part of the touchscreens).
Are there any ideas for small hardware hacks that could fix this problem?
Do you think LG/Google will be able to fix it when I send it in for repair?
Am I being pedantic?
You can actually hear the buttons? From arm's length, or even held in a typical "foot from your face" fashion?
Seriously?
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You can actually hear the buttons? From arm's length, or even held in a typical "foot from your face" fashion?
Seriously?
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Yeah, seriously. If I hold the phone at arm's length in one hand and tap the upper part of the screen (be it in a game or by simply drawing down the status bar) I hear the hardware buttons touching the chassis (kind of a ratling sound) because they simply are way too lose.
Mine barely make a click when I press them. I don't think you're being pedantic.
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I find this whole conversation rather..pedantic
Mine is coming tomorrow, I'll help confirm.
My nexus experience is Google will replace with a brand new unit.
mattforchi said:
Yeah, seriously. If I hold the phone at arm's length in one hand and tap the upper part of the screen (be it in a game or by simply drawing down the status bar) I hear the hardware buttons touching the chassis (kind of a ratling sound) because they simply are way too lose.
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My buttons don't do that, they are perfectly tight. Depends how much it bothers you - I know that I'd send it back, personally. Although it's cheaper than other top end phones, that doesn't excuse poor build quality, and I'd want a perfect one.
Wow I wish that would have been the case with my device. Yeah, I gave it back today at my local retailer and will wait for the next batch. My Nexus 5 also had a dead pixel which made my decision whether to give it back pretty easy.
The loose buttons seems to be a kinda big problem with the devices in Austria and Germany, it was particularly bad with my device though.
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Yep, I'm in the process of deciding how much it annoys me. And if I changed phones, what's to say the new one won't eventually rattle?
Maybe it adds character.
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Does anyone LIKE the size of the chin? I found myself instantly pleased with the added area to handle my phone. I actually left the sim in my 5x for a while to be sure. But I've never noticed how much I use the top and bottom bezels in portrait view. Especially when. Showing someone pictures or portrait videos. I dunno... I'm loving it. Perfect size where my thumbs never bumps the touchscreen.
Am I the only one?
I have no problem with it either. Take a look at the iPhone 6, which I have, and the bezel is about the same size as the Pixel. Actually the whole phone looks similar with a very similar feel. The Pixel is a little larger screen dimension wise but both are beautiful devices. And let's be honest here, if you can compare to an iPhone you're saying something. This device is a jewel if the battery can hold up.
I just got my Pixel today, and I wish the chin was a bit smaller to be honest. The onscreen buttons take up a good chunk of space that I feel makes it look a bit...iPodish? That's for sure not an accurate assessment, but it is what I think when I look at the chin of the phone especially. Like I said, first day and all. I love everything else about this phone though. I even think the price is justifiable.
I actually like the chin too. I find it helps my thumb reach the home button much more comfortably when using it one handed, rather than over extending my thumb to reach the bottom of my phone.
Plus it gives the phone a very minimal/elegant look. So no complaints from me!
No complaints here! Keeps the phone looking balanced
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I like the large chin. Im with you, I think its nice for handling the phone.
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I actually like the chin too. I find it helps my thumb reach the home button much more comfortably when using it one handed, rather than over extending my thumb to reach the bottom of my phone.
Plus it gives the phone a very minimal/elegant look. So no complaints from me!
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Yes same here... While at first I thought it was huge and unsightly, when I think about it, I wouldn't want my thumb to have to reach any further down to get to the nav bar. It keeps the nav bar at a perfect height. Still seems kind of boring though. But I'm also glad they didn't put any branding there so kind of a conundrum for me.
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I dont mind the bottom too. It's not super noticeable and I agree that it makes the nav bar easier to reach.
I just wish people would stop calling it a "chin" - it's a bezel, not a chin. Look at the original G1 for a "chin".
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I have no problem with it either. Take a look at the iPhone 6, which I have, and the bezel is about the same size as the Pixel. Actually the whole phone looks similar with a very similar feel. The Pixel is a little larger screen dimension wise but both are beautiful devices. And let's be honest here, if you can compare to an iPhone you're saying something. This device is a jewel if the battery can hold up.
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Totally... A lot of people seem to want this phone to be the opposite of iPhone. But we already had that... The Nexus lineup. Sure some were better than others but they were never trying to compete with anyone directly. Just good enough with a great price.
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I just got my Pixel today, and I wish the chin was a bit smaller to be honest. The onscreen buttons take up a good chunk of space that I feel makes it look a bit...iPodish? That's for sure not an accurate assessment, but it is what I think when I look at the chin of the phone especially. Like I said, first day and all. I love everything else about this phone though. I even think the price is justifiable.
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Just got mine last night. And I honestly looked at it and said 'why is everyone complaining about the chin?' to my girlfriend.
I agree, I am totally satisfied with the price now that the phone is in hand. Speed/Feel is amazing.
Zer0_ said:
I actually like the chin too. I find it helps my thumb reach the home button much more comfortably when using it one handed, rather than over extending my thumb to reach the bottom of my phone.
Plus it gives the phone a very minimal/elegant look. So no complaints from me!
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I never noticed that the home button was more comfortable on the Pixel until I used my 5X and Pixel side by side.. thanks for pointing that out! Of course I can't say much about the XL cause I didn't get that one.
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I dont mind the bottom too. It's not super noticeable and I agree that it makes the nav bar easier to reach.
I just wish people would stop calling it a "chin" - it's a bezel, not a chin. Look at the original G1 for a "chin".
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HAH. I've been Androiding since the G1... and yea, that thing had a Joe Swanson Chin for real.
I just joined the chin lingo cause everyone else seemed to be doing it... Peer pressure!
this is #13 of a long list of reasons i'm returning the Pixel. this phone makes so little sense to me i cannot even wrap my head around it, probably because i don't talk TO my damn phone. leave the AI for the kiddos. going back to my ****ing galaxy S3. maybe HTC 10 after that. dunno.
Now that I have my phone, in person, I don't mind it. I prefer balance/symmetry and the chin provides that. I would prefer a speaker there instead, but oh well …
The chin I actually don't notice. Maybe it's because I have the 5' black version. To me, the chin makes it better for one handed use. The galaxy s7 was hard for one handed use for me anyway. I think the chin thing is really blown out of proportion. Just my two cents.
In theory I'd like to see a smaller chin/ bezel and increase the screen size while keeping the overall size the same.
In practice, I don't mind the chin. I don't notice it at all.
I hear y'all but that Jay Leno chin and fivhead are fails to me. I do appreciate all the reasons why you like them but the could have put like 8 speakers in that space. Subs, tweeters and all that! Still love the phone though.
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Looks weird I'd rather have it to help with holding the phone and keeping the navbar at a decent height
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The bottom bezel adds balance, symmetry and consistency to the device.
I am still upset it gave up the speaker grill. But sure look uber minimalistic.
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Does anyone LIKE the size of the chin? I found myself instantly pleased with the added area to handle my phone. I actually left the sim in my 5x for a while to be sure. But I've never noticed how much I use the top and bottom bezels in portrait view. Especially when. Showing someone pictures or portrait videos. I dunno... I'm loving it. Perfect size where my thumbs never bumps the touchscreen.
Am I the only one?
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Jay approves..
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Now that I have my phone, in person, I don't mind it. I prefer balance/symmetry and the chin provides that. I would prefer a speaker there instead, but oh well …
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subhani said:
The bottom bezel adds balance, symmetry and consistency to the device.
I am still upset it gave up the speaker grill. But sure look uber minimalistic.
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Totally agree with both of you. I think it really adds the balance. When I saw it at first I wondered, but once I used it I don't mind a bit. I use headphones so I dont care about huge speakers.
Coming from the BB Z30 I am use to the chin and prefer it becuase of the way I hold the phone and navigate with my thumb. Now if only google would pick up a bb 10 device and take down some notes. Like moving things down low so I dont have to stretch my hand to the top.
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Coming from the BB Z30 I am use to the chin and prefer it becuase of the way I hold the phone and navigate with my thumb. Now if only google would pick up a bb 10 device and take down some notes. Like moving things down low so I dont have to stretch my hand to the top.
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Same here, I only use my phones one-handed, whether it's the Pixel, Notes, iPhone 7+, etc. The extra space is where my palm digs into. The BlackBerry Classic is the only device I have to use two hands, but da*n, that physical keyboard is sooo worth it.