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I have been noticing my tf700 seems inconsistent. Runs smooth sometimes and then laggy and jerky other times. I just got the .22 update and no difference. I have done a couple factory resets and partition cache wipes. I get alot of waits in apps and in the browsers. My tf201 runs much smoother than this.
I went ahead and tried some benchmarks to see if all this was noticed in scores also. I tried these benchmarks before and after reboots and at random times to look for fluctuation. Each time on performance mode. And by golly scores fluctuated alot.
Quadrant 3300 to 5100
Antutu 4600 to 12600
CF-Bench I haven't been over 4700
My tf201 is very consistent. Overclocked to 1.6
Quadrant 4900 to 5200
Antutu 11900 to 12400
CF-Bench 7400 to 7900
Can anyone tell me if they are seeing the same inconsistency, from running great to lag and poor behavior that I'm seeing.
leroybrute said:
I have been noticing my tf700 seems inconsistent. Runs smooth sometimes and then laggy and jerky other times. I just got the .22 update and no difference. I have done a couple factory resets and partition cache wipes. I get alot of waits in apps and in the browsers. My tf201 runs much smoother than this.
I went ahead and tried some benchmarks to see if all this was noticed in scores also. I tried these benchmarks before and after reboots and at random times to look for fluctuation. Each time on performance mode. And by golly scores fluctuated alot.
Quadrant 3300 to 5100
Antutu 4600 to 12600
CF-Bench I haven't been over 4700
My tf201 is very consistent. Overclocked to 1.6
Quadrant 4900 to 5200
Antutu 11900 to 12400
CF-Bench 13500 to 14100
Can anyone tell me if they are seeing the same inconsistency, from running great to lag and poor behavior that I'm seeing.
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Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
leroybrute said:
I have been noticing my tf700 seems inconsistent. Runs smooth sometimes and then laggy and jerky other times. I just got the .22 update and no difference. I have done a couple factory resets and partition cache wipes. I get alot of waits in apps and in the browsers. My tf201 runs much smoother than this.
I went ahead and tried some benchmarks to see if all this was noticed in scores also. I tried these benchmarks before and after reboots and at random times to look for fluctuation. Each time on performance mode. And by golly scores fluctuated alot.
Quadrant 3300 to 5100
Antutu 4600 to 12600
CF-Bench I haven't been over 4700
My tf201 is very consistent. Overclocked to 1.6
Quadrant 4900 to 5200
Antutu 11900 to 12400
CF-Bench 7400 to 7900
Can anyone tell me if they are seeing the same inconsistency, from running great to lag and poor behavior that I'm seeing.
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Im thinking the same thing. A lot of waits and hung ups. Not what i was specting from the " top of the line " android. Im guessing is from the i/o
Problem. Im even thinkin to return it n wait. Ive been an asus fan, but they still cant get their !#@&! Together
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Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
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I don't understand why JP and WW would be any different than the US version other than language. I haven't tried other versions on my other tablets and to be honest I am hoping Asus gets a fix to us.
What are the differences between the versions?
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Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
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I would like to see if others are seeing the erratic benchmark scores,
leroybrute said:
I don't understand why JP and WW would be any different than the US version other than language. I haven't tried other versions on my other tablets and to be honest I am hoping Asus gets a fix to us.
What are the differences between the versions?
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The japanese, man, they're magicians. Also, I would scream weeaboo at the guy who suggested this if I weren't a weeaboo myself.
lol
Getting very consistent benchmark results. Quadrant around 5000 and antutu around 12500.
Only real issue I have is IO lockups.
I'm on US update.
I hope you understand that the TF201 has been on the market for some time now. That means they have had time to smooth out the bugs....at least the software portion. I have yet to see a real hardware issue so far, so the tablet can really only get better with time, and how much love it gets from Asus. And coming from the TF201, you should know how good Asus is about fixing their software.
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I hope you understand that the TF201 has been on the market for some time now. That means they have had time to smooth out the bugs....at least the software portion. I have yet to see a real hardware issue so far, so the tablet can really only get better with time, and how much love it gets from Asus. And coming from the TF201, you should know how good Asus is about fixing their software.
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Agreed. That's why I am hanging on to mine. I remember the prime issues. I just wanted to see how many out there are seeing similar issues.
I am however a little shocked that Asus hasn't come any further than this with the software for the Tf700. The firmware on the tf, tf201, and the tf300 are ahead of the firmware on the tf700. How many months have they been working on the tf700?
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Agreed. That's why I am hanging on to mine. I remember the prime issues. I just wanted to see how many out there are seeing similar issues.
I am however a little shocked that Asus hasn't come any further than this with the software for the Tf700. The firmware on the tf, tf201, and the tf300 are ahead of the firmware on the tf700. How many months have they been working on the tf700?
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I know, it's unfortunate, but they'll fix it. They always do.
I just realized last night if I run in balanced mode rather than performance (which I tend to run on out of habit) my tablet runs much smoother. All the benchmarks I run show it also. Even though it needs a fix I am much happier now with a smoother experience.
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Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
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I'm on TW and it's been better than .21 WW, but I'm not sure if it's the firmware itself or rather data wipe that helped.
Just wanted to see if anyone else in here with the soak test build is noticing a 4.1.1 experience that is lacking. 4.1.1 on my Xoom seems to be missing the buttery smoothness in Project Butter. All stock, and the screen transition's frame rates are the same as in 4.0.4. The new transition effects are there, but it's far from being as buttery smooth as my Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus.
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Just wanted to see if anyone else in here with the soak test build is noticing a 4.1.1 experience that is lacking. 4.1.1 on my Xoom seems to be missing the buttery smoothness in Project Butter. All stock, and the screen transition's frame rates are the same as in 4.0.4. The new transition effects are there, but it's far from being as buttery smooth as my Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus.
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I'm pleased somebody else has noticed this, I've only had the OTA update for a couple of hours and was wondering what all the hullabaloo was about.
Performance and responsiveness seems on par with ICS IMO, Perhaps it will improve with a factory reset which I will do later.
Using Dolphin browser I have noticed that some video reports on online news sites seem to be very stuttery and not as good as they were with ICS, presumably due to the lack of flash support in JB.
I just got OTA 4.0.4 ICS (wth) wheres JB?
My experience is different. I always Factory Reset my devices when changing OS names (HC to ICS, ICS to JB) as I don't like having all the settings/configurations/app data stuff "upgraded" in place and prefer a clean install of the OS (upgrade OS then Factory Reset) and then configure and install my apps.
I was running my Xoom on stock ICS with root and a 1.5ghz kernel. My Xoom on stock (but rooted) JB at 1.0ghz feels exactly the same if not even a tad smoother more fluid, especially switching between apps. Even running 500 Mhz slower, it suffers no loss and feels to have made a some gains. Looking forward to running an overclock kernel on JB.
ICS 4.0.4 @ 1.5 ghz smooth/fluid
JB 4.1.1 @ 1.0 ghz just as smooth/fluid, maybe even a little more
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Just wanted to see if anyone else in here with the soak test build is noticing a 4.1.1 experience that is lacking. 4.1.1 on my Xoom seems to be missing the buttery smoothness in Project Butter. All stock, and the screen transition's frame rates are the same as in 4.0.4. The new transition effects are there, but it's far from being as buttery smooth as my Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus.
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Mine was running like garbage after the update as well. Had the same issue after the ICS update (resolved that by taking the images off of my Xoom). This time I went ahead and did a factory wipe. Night and day difference - the thing is flying now.
Just got JB. Not really impressed so far tbh. No visible difference in speed, and animations are very laggy now.
Edit: Also, the boot animation hasn't changed. Starting to wonder if something's gone horribly horribly wrong here. (Version: 4.1.1, build number JRO03H)
SillyQuestionTime said:
Just got JB. Not really impressed so far tbh. No visible difference in speed, and animations are very laggy now.
Edit: Also, the boot animation hasn't changed. Starting to wonder if something's gone horribly horribly wrong here. (Version: 4.1.1, build number JRO03H)
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No, all is well. The boot animation did not change. I feel that the update gets faster over time. Do a reset, then use extensively for a few days and I bet you will be buttery smooth in no time
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Thanks it is getting better after that. I do like a new boot animation though
Got my infinity, love it all except Netflicks UI runs super laggy. Even on performance mode its runs slow. Anyone else have the same issue?
Fahrenheit85 said:
Got my infinity, love it all except Netflicks UI runs super laggy. Even on performance mode its runs slow. Anyone else have the same issue?
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Do you mean Netflix? I'm just asking, there are new programs all the time, not trying to be mean
Fahrenheit85 said:
Got my infinity, love it all except Netflicks UI runs super laggy. Even on performance mode its runs slow. Anyone else have the same issue?
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Netflicks?! Oh my, how proper! lmao.
californiarailroader said:
Do you mean Netflix? I'm just asking, there are new programs all the time, not trying to be mean
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Netflicks?! Oh my, how proper! lmao.
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Hurrrrr yeah, thats what I mean.
Try forcing 2D acceleration under Developer Settings. I think its called "Force GPU rendering." I don't have my TF700 yet but this helps Netflix on all other devices. It won't be silky smooth but it easily doubles the frame rate on my TF201.
dalingrin said:
Try forcing 2D acceleration under Developer Settings. I think its called "Force GPU rendering." I don't have my TF700 yet but this helps Netflix on all other devices. It won't be silky smooth but it easily doubles the frame rate on my TF201.
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...but has been said to generally slow down the system, although it's theoretically meant just for older APIs, at least the benchmarks show considerably lower results when it's on.
d14b0ll0s said:
...but has been said to generally slow down the system, although it's theoretically meant just for older APIs, at least the benchmarks show considerably lower results when it's on.
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Thanks i just it back off. Hope netflix gets its self together soon
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d14b0ll0s said:
...but has been said to generally slow down the system, although it's theoretically meant just for older APIs, at least the benchmarks show considerably lower results when it's on.
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It doesn't slow down your system. I'm sure benchmarks not made with it in mind will have lower scores but who cares? It improves the performance for many apps and that is what matters. It shouldn't affect 3D games as this setting only affects Android UI widgets.
The only real down side is that there might be an app or two out there that's not compatible with the forced GPU rendering(hence why its disabled by default). I personally have never run into an app that had issues but an app that extensively uses custom widgets potentially could.
I have noticed the same issue. The app is unusable as is...
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yep, this faster product is worse than my archos 10.1 in netflix navigation. good thing there are queue managers to take care of this problem. i hated the day netflix went from a text based instant queue to this pretty shiny crappy picture list.
We had this problem on the prime too. Forcing GPU redering seemed to help, but I can say it doesn't seem to help on the infinity. What finally solved it was an update from Netflix. Worked smooth as butter after that. I'm really surprised to see it so slow on the infinity.
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I just flashed the latest CM10 build and I'm getting really low quadrant scores down to 3500 and I'm getting artifacts on Dead trigger. Is this normal?
AegonTheDragon said:
I just flashed the latest CM10 build and I'm getting really low quadrant scores down to 3500 and I'm getting artifacts on Dead trigger. Is this normal?
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As much as well as love high benchmarks, benchmarks aren't always a great indication of real world performance. For the artifacts you are getting on Dead Trigger try clearing the apps cache, uninstalling and re-installing, and running Fix Permissions. If that doesn't work try a factory reset, and if that still doesn't fix it re-flash the ROM.
shimp208 said:
As much as well as love high benchmarks, benchmarks aren't always a great indication of real world performance. For the artifacts you are getting on Dead Trigger try clearing the apps cache, uninstalling and re-installing, and running Fix Permissions. If that doesn't work try a factory reset, and if that still doesn't fix it re-flash the ROM.
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Thanks but I got better scores on stock ICS, if it's normal then I'm good. I'll try that app but if it doesn't work then I'm gonna reflash. also I'm new to flashing and all that, but if I want to flash another ROM I just do the same procedure of factory reset/wiping data/format system/flash?
Alright I fixed it, had to go to the developer section and disable hardware overlay. I'm still concerned about the incredibly low benchmark scores, it went down to 2800, is that normal?
AegonTheDragon said:
Alright I fixed it, had to go to the developer section and disable hardware overlay. I'm still concerned about the incredibly low benchmark scores, it went down to 2800, is that normal?
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That's odd that the scores are that low, but as long as actuall performance is smooth I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
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Benchmarks are useless, don't judge a rom based on the benchmark score. Real world performance is what matters, if your phone is perfectly fast in the real world then it doesn't matter what the benchmark score says.
Hi,
Does anyone else have problems with sluggish, choppy performance on their Relay? I swear, when I open contacts, go to my phone, even when answering calls it seems like it takes forever, and sometimes it's ambiguous as to whether or not the phone registers input when I tap the screen or buttons. Is there anything that can be done? Will a custom Cyanogen work better than the stock rom? Should I root it after to OC it?
Also, another question I wanted to ask was that I tried following the steps listed on the Cyanogen website (for Windows), and it gave me Linux command lines to run, and it seems that other custom roms aren't compatible with TWRP or Wifi (or something else is wrong that is needed).
Can anyone help? Thanks! :fingers-crossed:
I wouldn't call that normal. It's always had a tiny bit of lag, but only a tiny bit.
CM is faster, yes.
I feel you shouldn't overclock the relay, and that you shouldn't need to for it to perform well.
You mustn't use TWRP with CM. You have to use clockworkmod recovery. This is easily installed with heimdall on any platform, not just linux.
Jax184 said:
You mustn't use TWRP with CM. You have to use clockworkmod recovery. This is easily installed with heimdall on any platform, not just linux.
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Is there a link to a page that can provide step by step information?
I appreciate it.
DJRepresent said:
Is there a link to a page that can provide step by step information?
I appreciate it.
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Yes, it's listed it the CM install directions.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_apexqtmo
Look under Installing a custom recovery.
Thanks.
Also, it says, "The ICS bootloader and radio are not compatible with CM10.2" and gives you those two zip files to download...what should I do with those?
Edit: I just flashed the latest 10.2 nightly as well as Gapps and the two supplemental downloads and it appears to be working WAAAY better. Very fluid, very fast, and no lag comparatively speaking. I really can't believe how T-Mobile fouled up this phone with their garbage ROM.
Just a few questions:
Are there any other supplemental downloads recommended?
Is it possible to use a modified stock ROM that isn't so slow / laggy?
Thanks!
DJRepresent said:
Thanks.
Also, it says, "The ICS bootloader and radio are not compatible with CM10.2" and gives you those two zip files to download...what should I do with those?
Edit: I just flashed the latest 10.2 nightly as well as Gapps and the two supplemental downloads and it appears to be working WAAAY better. Very fluid, very fast, and no lag comparatively speaking. I really can't believe how T-Mobile fouled up this phone with their garbage ROM.
Just a few questions:
Are there any other supplemental downloads recommended?
Is it possible to use a modified stock ROM that isn't so slow / laggy?
Thanks!
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I haven't seen any other supplemental downloads recommended for use.
In "jellybean is out!" thread you should be able to find gee one's debloated Jelly Bean rom, good to read final few pages for info on problems on getting it up and running: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40919585&postcount=30
I was wondering if you could help me out and run Antutu and also Quadrant Standard on the CM10.2 rom. I am interested in how well the rom currently performs on benchmark software as I noticed a big improvement in scores going from stock ICS to stock Jelly Bean rom. Also any feedback on battery life would be great and if you have ran into any issues yet?
rudias said:
I was wondering if you could help me out and run Antutu and also Quadrant Standard on the CM10.2 rom. I am interested in how well the rom currently performs on benchmark software as I noticed a big improvement in scores going from stock ICS to stock Jelly Bean rom. Also any feedback on battery life would be great and if you have ran into any issues yet?
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My Quadrant Standard Score was 4745; Antutu kept crashing and restarting my phone.
DJRepresent said:
My Quadrant Standard Score was 4745; Antutu kept crashing and restarting my phone.
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Thanks for the info, I wonder why Antutu is crashing. Did you do a factory reset before installing the rom?
Also for Quadrant Standard, any chance of more detailed scores so can compare, this is what I got on stock rom: Total: 6121 CPU: 9589 Mem: 11455 I/O: 6537 2D: 1000 3D: 2024
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Thanks for the info, I wonder why Antutu is crashing. Did you do a factory reset before installing the rom?
Also for Quadrant Standard, any chance of more detailed scores so can compare, this is what I got on stock rom: Total: 6121 CPU: 9589 Mem: 11455 I/O: 6537 2D: 1000 3D: 2024
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I don't know if I did a factory reset. Originally I tried overwriting, but then it wouldn't load. So I think that yes, I did select wipe / reset in Clockwork and then reinstalled, and it worked.
Here are my Quadrant scores:
CPU: 7432
Mem: 10233
IO: 3434
2D: 533
3D: 2190
And as far as Antutu, I tried individual testing, and while UX crashed and reset, everything else ranked at 13,096. It showed me a bar of individual tests but I didn't see any numbers.
By the way, can I root my device now that CM is installed? Can I unlock it?
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I don't know if I did a factory reset. Originally I tried overwriting, but then it wouldn't load. So I think that yes, I did select wipe / reset in Clockwork and then reinstalled, and it worked.
Here are my Quadrant scores:
CPU: 7432
Mem: 10233
IO: 3434
2D: 533
3D: 2190
And as far as Antutu, I tried individual testing, and while UX crashed and reset, everything else ranked at 13,096. It showed me a bar of individual tests but I didn't see any numbers.
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Probably a problem with Quadrant Standard as I saw on YouTube some Nexus 4 on Android 4.3 score quite a bit lower. I decided to flash to CM10.2 in the end and it is awesome to use phone without the bloatware. Looks so much better. Also got score on AnTuTu of 17,784, ran stably on my phone.
DJRepresent said:
By the way, can I root my device now that CM is installed? Can I unlock it?
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You can root it but for unlocking I think you need the ICS stock rom as described on a thread on here: Link.
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Also any feedback on battery life would be great and if you have ran into any issues yet?
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Battery life seems more or less the same - but it's my second day using it. No performance issues so far but a few hiccups here and there.
Still, it's way better than the crap T-Mobile shipped it with.
Isn't the bluetooth flaky on CM on the Relay? I know it is on the Epic 4G. As fast as CM may be on Relay, I'd give that up for a stable bluetooth with stock Jelly Bean.
In my own experience, it seemed like it had a bit more lag after the OTA update from ICS to Jelly Bean. After I rooted it and froze (or removed) some of the bloatware, it's a bit less laggy.
I got my unlock code from T-Mobile a while back, and when I picked up an LG Optimus F3 (woohoo, LTE!), I got an H2O PAYG sim for the Relay. The unlock wasn't a problem on JB.
I'm still thinking of putting CM on it, though. I like the idea of cutting the bloatware down to absolute zero.
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Battery life seems more or less the same - but it's my second day using it. No performance issues so far but a few hiccups here and there.
Still, it's way better than the crap T-Mobile shipped it with.
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Seems similar to me too regarding battery life. Maybe stock with power saving mode could help eek out the battery a bit longer.
EpicMikeNC said:
Isn't the bluetooth flaky on CM on the Relay? I know it is on the Epic 4G. As fast as CM may be on Relay, I'd give that up for a stable bluetooth with stock Jelly Bean.
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Is this only with Wi-Fi on? I haven't tried out the bluetooth yet on the Relay.
So far, bluetooth works in my car flawless. Wifi works, but I'm not sure if Wifi calling is working or not.
Bluetooth under the CM10.2 nightlies should be fine. Bluetooth at the same time as WiFi can lead to some performance issues, but it can be alleviated by turning one or the other off, or by using 5.8GHz WiFi.
I guess a reason can arise where you can/want to use both wifi and bluetooth at the same time...but I can't think of any and typically I only use one or the other. So yeah, I meant bluetooth without wifi turned on.
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I guess a reason can arise where you can/want to use both wifi and bluetooth at the same time...but I can't think of any and typically I only use one or the other. So yeah, I meant bluetooth without wifi turned on.
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A common use case would be something like streaming a podcast/music/whatever over WiFi to a Bluetooth Headset while at the gym (or to a Bluetooth receiver in the house).
It's not MY use case, just think it's a reasonably common one.
For now, the functionality of BT and WiFi works insomuch as my wife's phone connects to WiFi where we need to, and Bluetooth in the car.
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A common use case would be something like streaming a podcast/music/whatever over WiFi to a Bluetooth Headset while at the gym (or to a Bluetooth receiver in the house).
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Ah ok. Is there any delay that you know of?
It's not MY use case, just think it's a reasonably common one.
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I got ya. :good: But normally I'd just use one or the other, not both simultaneously. CM came up, so I was wondering about that, especially in regards to the thread's title. lol When I get this phone (there doesn't seem to be anything more powerful than the Relay 4G with a physical keyboard at the moment), besides using it as, well, a phone, I'll use the Bluetooth functionality a lot, too. If its flaky on CM 10.2, I'll just deal with stock rom.