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Court asks Samsung to give samples to Apple

Court asks Samsung to give samples of Galaxy S2, Tabs, Infuse 4G, Droid charge to Apple
http://androidos.in/2011/05/court-a...laxy-s2-tabs-infuse-4g-droid-charge-to-apple/
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/05/19/36708.htm

"Because these claims are subject to consumer confusion and "ordinary observer" standards, the products themselves and the packaging in which they are sold are likely to be central to any motion for preliminary injunction" -apple
consumer confusion?? what kind of BS is that?
do you see people confusing a Hyundai as a Mercedes?? (hyundai cars look very similar to Mercedes!)
do you see people confusing sony "move" as nintendo wii? (sony "move" very similar to Wii)

And people wonder why soo Many people hate Apple. Ok lets make a triangular phone so we don't get sued or maybe a octagon?
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To be fair, Apple did copyright designs. So you may not like Apple, but if this were any other company people probably wouldn't care.

this just sounds real greedy of apple

Really?
ok so maybe samsung will have to pay up to everybody who ever made a cell phone, now. seriously. its a money thing.

So probably Samsung sales are going to stop in the US, because of USA-smartass patents. Software patents, seriously?
Though I don't really care.

This is just disgusting, plain and simple............i hate that company to its core (yay pun!)

Apple throwing power around, what a surprise.
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So what it's not like Apple is capable of making anything on their own. They're at the mercy of Samsung, LG, ect to make their junk for them. 5 years from now Apple will be a broken company like they were in the 90's.

I know =/ its just frustrating that they're allowed to do this kind of crap, i know corporate law and suing one another go hand in hand, but i mean come on linux and various other company's hold many patents over apple, which they pay to use (and some which they even tried to sue other companies over, even though they didnt even invent the item for which they were suing), but regardless its just stupid that they throw their power around so easily and aren't met with much resistance........sad days

Exador said:
So what it's not like Apple is capable of making anything on their own. They're at the mercy of Samsung, LG, ect to make their junk for them. 5 years from now Apple will be a broken company like they were in the 90's.
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What's saving them is Steve Jobs. He's one of the last people who really knows how to advertise a product, and "make people believe that they need and can't live without his product".
Most of the other companies employ young and inexperienced people, that's why their sales fail.
When Jobs leave Apple, it'll be just like any other company, coming towards customers instead of making customers come towards them.
That's the idea that Jobs found out in 70s, 80s... there's a movie about Jobs, Gates, Wozniak, and Ballmer, I can't remember its name, which clearly shows their success.

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What's saving them is Steve Jobs. He's one of the last people who really knows how to advertise a product, and "make people believe that they need and can't live without his product".
Most of the other companies employ young and inexperienced people, that's why their sales fail.
When Jobs leave Apple, it'll be just like any other company, coming towards customers instead of making customers come towards them.
That's the idea that Jobs found out in 70s, 80s... there's a movie about Jobs, Gates, Wozniak, and Ballmer, I can't remember its name, which clearly shows their success.
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"The Pirates of Silicon Valley" right?
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Apple demands prototype samsung phones!

And the judge complies and orders samsung to release them.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/24/appl...devices?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
"San Jose Judge Lucy Koh is forcing Samsung to hand over new and unreleased mobile devices to its rival, Apple. Apple's lawyers will get a chance to look at these devices as part of its infringement case against Samsung. In this complaint, Apple is accusing Samsung of violating a variety of utility patents, design patents and trade dress registrations for its suite of iOS devices.
The phones and tablets requested by Apple include the Samsung Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Infuse 4G and Droid Charge. Apple will be looking closely at the packaging and the TouchWiz UI used by the Korean manufacturer to see how closely it mimics Apple's iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Specifically, Apple is looking for elements that will confuse people into thinking the Samsung devices are the same as the iPhone.
In response to Apple's complaint, Samsung countersued Apple for patent infringement in Korea, Japan and Germany. Both cases are slowly making their way through the legal system in each of these countries."
this is a huge conflict of interest to me, how can another phone competitor be allowed access to prototype phones with the newest and best secrets/ideas to be released by a fellow phone maker/competitor?
what a joke.
if apple actually took the time to open the iphone to more carriers, maybe make a entire line of iphones like a droid line or whatever, with different carriers, even a prepaid they would be way better suited and have more market share. instead of wasting time on endless litigation and court cases.
anyone who buys apple is a moron.
i want to know, is apple going to hand over a prototype iphone 5 for samsung to "check" for mimicking?
or are we just gonna have to find one near a urinal at a local bar again?

I agree! That is just ridiculous. I don't see how they can do that. Your going to take something that a company puts a lot of R&D into and make them give it to their competition. That should be a crime itself!

Richard1510 said:
I agree! That is just ridiculous. I don't see how they can do that. Your going to take something that a company puts a lot of R&D into and make them give it to their competition. That should be a crime itself!
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i wish more ppl would post on this story.
its the most absurd thing i have ever heard...

To be fair, Apple did copyright the designs and touchwiz and even the original Galaxy S looks a lot like Apple's designs. People wouldn't make a big deal out of this if it wasn't Apple. Also, this topic was made already.

intheb0x said:
i wish more ppl would post on this story.
its the most absurd thing i have ever heard...
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Agreed, this is stupid at face value, although the models they have to hand over are either released or going to be released imminently. However I had a little look around and this article from cnet says that only the Apple legal team will be allowed to see the devices (no-one from Apple or any of their in-house lawyers can). So as long as their legal team aren't crooks and mysteriously start acquiring complementary iWhatevers I'm sure Samsung will be fine

vbetts said:
To be fair, Apple did copyright the designs and touchwiz and even the original Galaxy S looks a lot like Apple's designs. People wouldn't make a big deal out of this if it wasn't Apple. Also, this topic was made already.
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it may look like it, but its not iOs what so ever.
and wheres the thread?
i searched and did not find it.
and i would of posted this if it was any other phone maker.
apple sues everyone and anyone over ANYTHING.
they think they own everything related to smart phones, i run a phone with touchwiz, ive had iphones they are NOT even close to being the same.
just because they share tile looks doesnt mean they "stole" the ugly idea from apple.
apple is a joke, they want every phone maker to not be innovative and make things, they want the iphone to have every new thing that comes to market while every other phone be dirt.

Apple trademarked the design and ui of ios, and touchwiz is very similar to it. It's not that it's Ios(which is clearly isn't), but it's using designs close to Ios such as the app drawer.
Here's the thread too, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094205
Apple is also a business, give me a business that doesn't sue anyone over anything.
They don't think they own everything, they trademark designs for them to use, and for others who've they given permission to use. They obviously look close enough for a judge to take this case. What's the point of trademarking something if others are going to use a design close enough to it? They trademark to protect their designs. Apple isn't suing HTC, Motorola, or LG. Also, I wasn't saying you wouldn't. I'm only saying you would or other people would because it involves Apple demanding from another company. If it were Samsung, HTC, Motorola, or LG demanding from another company people wouldn't care, or hell even if Apple didn't demand anything from the above mentioned companies.

vbetts said:
Apple trademarked the design and ui of ios, and touchwiz is very similar to it. It's not that it's Ios(which is clearly isn't), but it's using designs close to Ios such as the app drawer.
Here's the thread too, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094205
Apple is also a business, give me a business that doesn't sue anyone over anything.
They don't think they own everything, they trademark designs for them to use, and for others who've they given permission to use. They obviously look close enough for a judge to take this case. Apple isn't suing HTC, Motorola, or LG.
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thanks for the link.
apple has been sending the lawyers on a frenzy lately, i think they are upset that everyone doesnt have a iphone.
i think they are more "sue" happy then many other companies. Microsoft could be up there with them.
i guess we will see how it fans out, but i think the phone thing should go both ways, apple should have to give up the newest iphone as well./

Any company would do it. That's why companies hire lawyers, to sue and to counter sue and defend. They're protecting their product, it's that simple. Apple doesn't need to give them anything either, that's not how this case works. Samsung doesn't have designs that they've trademarked that Apple is using, plus they're asking for prototypes, not new devices.

vbetts said:
Any company would do it. That's why companies hire lawyers, to sue and to counter sue and defend. They're protecting their product, it's that simple. Apple doesn't need to give them anything either, that's not how this case works. Samsung doesn't have designs that they've trademarked that Apple is using, plus they're asking for prototypes, not new devices.
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Most of the devices they listed are out now.
Its clear apple is trigger happy with the suing finger..
they do not want anyone to compete with them, if they can take aim at anything, then they will.
More so then ANY other company.
They are defending a product which they want to be the only product people buy. samsung is putting a dent into them. if they could sue htc, moto and so on THEY WOULD. they hate the fact that they have competition.

I know that Samsung will triumph over the Apple juggernaut.
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Apple just doesn't have the guts to compete directly with google. The company is desperate for lost market share
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wang1404 said:
Apple just doesn't have the guts to compete directly with google. The company is desperate for lost market share
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+1 they are the biggest iphonies around!

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I wouldn't put anything past Apple they are school yard bullies !!

intheb0x said:
Most of the devices they listed are out now.
Its clear apple is trigger happy with the suing finger..
they do not want anyone to compete with them, if they can take aim at anything, then they will.
More so then ANY other company.
They are defending a product which they want to be the only product people buy. samsung is putting a dent into them. if they could sue htc, moto and so on THEY WOULD. they hate the fact that they have competition.
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Any company is, I can easily name a few like Sony(Geohot), movie studios(So much to the point they leak their movies and place trojans in them), and easy to find more. Also, Apple did not ask for finished products, they asked for prototypes. They are defending a product that they trademarked, any company would do it easily. That's why they trademark it. It maybe to shut down competition, but Apple isn't the only one who does that and that's why companies trademark designs, and technologies.
Apple just doesn't have the guts to compete directly with google. The company is desperate for lost market share
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Google doesn't make the phones, so it's hard to compete against them word for word to say.
My problem with a lot of people I've noticed, they're only looking at it from one side. I'm not looking at it as Apple Vs Samsung. I'm looking at a company defending their product. Wouldn't you be mad if someone was using your designs without your permission and getting any type of revenue from it? I like both Apple and Google. I look at both sides of it and not just one. I don't agree with everything Apple has done, but at the same time I don't agree with what Samsung has done. People are acting like Samsung hasn't done anything wrong, when this is not the truth at all. Behold, Moment, I can easily name more that they broke support for. Even if you still have an old 2g and need support for it, you can take it to an Apple store and they'll figure out the problem, and offer a fix, or an upgrade. Hell, for the Moment's issues I had to fight with Sprint just to get a discount on an early upgrade.

I thnk iz just greed do it as samsung released an earlier design look up the dates in wiki i forgot wat phone was it. Comes to mind lg ws before iphones 2007 shaped phone

if there is 5 similarities, samsung will get any punishment from US law

SuperDeform said:
I thnk iz just greed do it as samsung released an earlier design look up the dates in wiki i forgot wat phone was it. Comes to mind lg ws before iphones 2007 shaped phone
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But they didn't trademark the designs at all.

vbetts said:
But they didn't trademark the designs at all.
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Mmmmm that really sux

vbetts said:
Any company is, I can easily name a few like Sony(Geohot), movie studios(So much to the point they leak their movies and place trojans in them), and easy to find more. Also, Apple did not ask for finished products, they asked for prototypes. They are defending a product that they trademarked, any company would do it easily. That's why they trademark it. It maybe to shut down competition, but Apple isn't the only one who does that and that's why companies trademark designs, and technologies.
Google doesn't make the phones, so it's hard to compete against them word for word to say.
My problem with a lot of people I've noticed, they're only looking at it from one side. I'm not looking at it as Apple Vs Samsung. I'm looking at a company defending their product. Wouldn't you be mad if someone was using your designs without your permission and getting any type of revenue from it? I like both Apple and Google. I look at both sides of it and not just one. I don't agree with everything Apple has done, but at the same time I don't agree with what Samsung has done. People are acting like Samsung hasn't done anything wrong, when this is not the truth at all. Behold, Moment, I can easily name more that they broke support for. Even if you still have an old 2g and need support for it, you can take it to an Apple store and they'll figure out the problem, and offer a fix, or an upgrade. Hell, for the Moment's issues I had to fight with Sprint just to get a discount on an early upgrade.
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Agree!
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If you think Apple competes with Android, you’re wrong. (apparently)

Hey guys i was just catching up on some news when i come across this article
'If you think Apple competes with Android, you’re wrong' from ZDnet. Here is a little snippet of it
Apple has never done things like other tech companies. Never. They’ve never fallen prey to analyst opinion or competitor bling. Why should they? They’re the innovators, not the imitators. Apple produces the products like they want them to be–not like Android-designers think they should be. Apple builds them and we buy them by the millions. People camp outside of Apple stores and Apple product retailers to ensure that they get a new Apple device. You don’t really see that with Android products.
The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it. That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.
after reading the entire article i was not too sure about the guys claims.
but if you could read the article and voice me your opinion on it that would be great
here is the link http://www.zdnet.com/blog/consumerization/if-you-think-apple-competes-with-android-youre-wrong/507

philster16 said:
That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.[/I]
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I've always hated that this is seen as "common knowledge". Most profitable? Maybe, but I refuse to see Apple as the most successful company when they are only able to maintain a stable of a few specialized devices without a dominant market share in any field (maybe they dominate the tablet space but there is barely any legitimate competition in that area). I mean look at Motorola or Samsung or any other company that literally has it's hands in EVERYTHING tech. They might not dominate any single area, but they ensure no matter what happens they turn a profit in any way possible.

Having read the entire article it sounds as if the writer is a major ios fan and very biased. The articles only actual fact seems to be that people cue for apple products and that's proof they're great.
If apple don't compete with android why take android os features and put them in ios, why sue the most popular android device manufacturers but only those whose profucts challenge apples?
Apple don't innovate much at all anymore and definitely take note of their rivals.
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I really hate it when Apple's fan girls start reviewing the company and buying their products. The reviewers only say these Apple SO friendly terms, like "It really is resolutionary!" They say that so they will be quoted by Apple.
As for their Fan Girls (a.k.a "Customers"), I find it annoying when you ask, the people that buy only Apple products for their Computers, phones, and tablets, why they bought the iMac over a PC and they say, "Because it was made by Apple so it is obviously better." I mean really? Why!?

ZDnet and Cnet are pretty Apple fanboi heavy, so this isn't surprising at all. The main difference I find between situations with Apple and Android fanbois is that Android enthusiasts tell the fanbois to shut their yappers; very few people who enjoy Apple for what it is tend to shout down the idiots.
There was another article on there not long ago by either that guy or another of their "experts" touting all the reasons that Android just didn't satisfy him, with the main points of contention resulting from him going to Best Buy and saying that Android was somehow at fault for the results of consulting with an unknowledgeable sales member. In short, it is not a site that I trust for anything in the way of editorials.
From the article: "I doubt anyone at Apple says to a coworker, “Hey, dude, did you see my <insert Android-based phone name here>, it has this. We should totally put one of those on the next iPhone.”"
Guess he is unaware of all that iOS 5 and now 6 have blatantly stolen directly from Android and WP. The guy is so clueless it's ridiculous.
Edit: his opening statement shows his lack of grasp on reality. Dinosaurs will die, and to say that a company like Apple doesn't need to worry about competition when Android has the larger market share and it is only increasing is pure idiocy. If guys like that ever sit on the board of any company it is only a matter of time before it inevitably falls apart. It's that kind of thinking that almost destroyed Apple to begin with.
Maybe he's right though and Apple does operate in a vacuum; vacuums are indeed defined by sucking the life out of everything around them.

There is a big difference between true product innovation and marketing hype.
Apple has not innovated as much as that article suggests over the years, they have only utilized smart marketing and community hype to sell their products with very little innovation in their product lines over this time.
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Apple innovation = imitation + litigation + hype.
Just look at the iPad. The only thing about the iPad that is up to par it better than the competitors is the display. And that is the only thing that their advertising blitz talks about. They do not come close anywhere else.
If you put lipstick on a pig tho iFanBoys will line up to buy it.
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philster16 said:
The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it.
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This line makes me laugh. A smartphone user should know exactly what he wants in his product and if he gets more, then it's even better. But according to this line, it makes the writer seem like he wants what Apple wants him to want.
According to the article, Apple has never ever ever taken any ideas from outside. Why should they because they're innovators?
Really??! The writer seems to be unaware of any other technology in the world! Apple didn't invent the mp3 player. Granted, they made a lot of improvements and produced the best selling mp3 player but a majority of the ideas came from other products.
"To worry about the competition is a faux pas"? Then why are they trying to get the Galaxy SIII banned from entering the US. In reality, to not worry about the competition would be the stupidest move any company can take and of course Apple is worried about the competition.
My personal opinion regarding the huge success of Apple is the large user base who keep repeatedly buying Apple products without considering other (Better and cheaper) options, to blindly follow Apple into whatever they do. The writer's clearly reflects this. Another reason is that Apple products are simpler to use and by being so, not easy to customize. This is a big disadvantage for a lot of people, especially gadget freaks. Citing a personal example, I have an iPod 5G and I hated the fact that you could not even change the color theme whereas even cheap mp3 players had that function. I finally ended up putting a custom firmware (Rockbox) on it and was much happier. It even freed me from using iTunes and allowed me to use drag and drop.
My conclusion. The writer is severely misinformed.

Now it's only my thoughts on the issue.
There is always a competition between companies of the same market. I believe there are kinda regulations of that rivacy, I mean there are rules for companies to implement innovations, etc. Fruct corporation had to survive among all those giants of tech world and even go further. But how can they do it? So, they've started breaking those secret rules (here comes their everyday trials and actions from other companies) and moved forward far as they could. As you can see, Samsung, and other giants were ready to lanch their super smartphones and tablets, they did it soon, very soon after after Apple released their ones. So there are many variants on how it works. Some of them:
- Apple breaks rivacy rules
- Other companies just allow Apple do it (as they know, they see what can Apple do and do it the rest. They enter the market, that Apple was not able to win)
- Companies allow apple release their best products and analyse why people don't love fruct features and they give it to those who disappointed with Apple devices.
And many other variats are possible.
But the do! They compete with each other! As they have one marketplace
We never know what they do behind the curtain!!! we just try to be logic and use analytics

I know we all hate on apple, mostly for them being a **** company, but seriously, their stuff is ****.
Okay, it's snappy, and okay, it's nice looking.
But I had to work on a mac for a while, and I can say that without a doubt my PC (that was half that price) is vastly superior. Everything on mac works awful, including their retard son, Safari. Same goes for ipads, iphones, ipods. I just can't understand why someone would overpay for something that is worse.
As for why I had to work on a mac computer - they don't allow ios developers to make apps on anything else. **** company.

apple wins the battle apparently because they are the first to enter the market. Usually the first person enter a certain field wins.
However after a long period of time, many competitors come out with their so called immitation devices, however if apple does not innovate more thing in a field thats others never enter, they will eventually lose to those immitators. Because those immitators shaped by the market.

That guy probably is an iOS fanboy. Apple never imitates..????? LMAO.
It copied the drag down notification bar from Android...and many more..!
Android devices makes a better option because their price is little less than iPhones, iPads etc and performance is far more higher and we can customise the interface, install custom roms etc...!
Most People (not everyone) buy apple devices so that they can show off to others that they can afford such devices.
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Just another Crapple Fanboy voicing out loud for the world to hear how ill informed he is. If Crapple spent as much time " innovating " as they do suing other companies, they might produce half way decent affordable products.

I laughed really hard when I read the word 'Innovation'.

DD-Ripper and prboy1969, I plus +1 both of you.
I think the only reason Crapple has been this successful because they use Unix and think about that, Both Linux and Mac OS (yuch) use Unix as there core language. Hands down though, Linux is far more better because of the fact that it's open sourced. Linux will never die if people are still willing to code it.
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol

alexanderd said:
I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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alexanderd said:
I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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To be fair to Apple making an idiot friendly slim tablet was what made tablets so popular, if it wasn't for them its doubtful we would have the competing android tabs that more tech minded people may prefer and when it debuted it was the best tablet so it did deserve some of the hype.
Apple took a good idea, ironed out the kinks and produced what became the benchmark for modern tablets. It wasn't the first ever tablet but it was the easiest and most user friendly and at the time was innovative.
Now Apple rarely innovate and yet people flock to buy their products but the original ipad was actually innovative and worth some of the hype.
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alexanderd said:
idiot friendly
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Right here. This is the type of products apple makes. Like every other person in this thread knows, apple fans dont know why apple products are "better" they just are. Thats because the products are made for these idiots. Why is this better? Uhmmm......cuz i put an S on the end of it. My friend had an encounter with someone who would go far in apple. He had a droid X and wanted a faster phone, so he asked if he wrote X2 on the back it would be faster.
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OMG... That guy is really outrageus.... I added my comment too there into all those -ves which is quoted below... He even reviewed an adroid phone lol.. i have no patience to read it... i have sent same comment to his email n g+ profile... what he is doing there in goole plus rather than camping outside cupertino my god...
'lol.... i feel funny about 'apple operates in a vaccum'. If you can list out their innovations i can feed it into my ever lowering knowledge about apple n their products.. Hope u dont list inventing mobile phone into it.. Reading ur article n the payment u got u may be tempted to do it haha OMG... If apple is not going to balloon their 'small' device near close to current smartphone levels , surely they will be pumped out of scene like nokia gone down...Then by mere lawsuits against CR infringements wont be sufficient to stay in the competition. Didnt they invent their new technology yet to make screen big?
Common man , I would have been really happy if u tried looking at ur own backhole to see how big/small it is, instead of this ********. I'm very sure right now my middle finger on right hand is pointing upwards in front of ur face. This article makes more apple haters which goes against the intention behind it. May be by reading all those above -ve comments apple may take down ur next payment ... hahaha'

Is Samsung fighting a losing battle?

First off, I searched the forums to see if anybody has really discussed what seems to be a one-sided trial and I haven't really found anything. So I ask this question because I am a little confused on the matter...
If you have been following the news lately, you would see that the samsung vs. apple case has begun. Barely two days into it samsung releases evidence of designs that predate the iphone which look kind of similar. Apparently this "key" evidence was rejected by Judge Koh on the basis that it is irrelevant. You can google search the facts about this but here is one link http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407919,00.asp
Now, I am no legal expert and just taking a quick glance and seeing the evidence and hearing that it was rejected by the judge makes no sense right now. It angered me to think that samsung wasn't given a fair chance to provide evidence that seems clearly relevant to why this whole trial is even taking place. But I figured I should withhold judgment until I learn all the facts because like I said, I am no expert on legal matters and I know there is two sides of the story.
My question is, is there a good reason as to why the judge threw evidence out like this? A lot of people are claiming the judge is being payed by apple but I'm not going to quickly jump to that conclusion. I am wondering if there are any fellow xda people out there that have some experience in law or know a lot about this case and can elaborate as to why this has happened. I want to know if it is unfair to jump to the assumption that apple is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes.
I'd prefer people with a decent amount of knowledge in this case speak up and not people who have read a few articles and think they know all about it.
If it's one thing I'm really starting to learn, it's that all these tech sites seem to have a bias towards them. I see some sites blatantly ignoring and even sometimes lying about android and it's features, usabillity, etc. So I'd rather get advice, experience, opinions from people who at least know what they're talking about.
Update Now Apple is asking for judge to punish samsung for releasing public documents to the press
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...amsung_for_releasing_documents_in_iPhone_suit

I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
But yeah, unfortunately I think Samsung is gonna get screwed on this one. Apple seems pretty good at deceiving juries and judges (especially certain ones) into believing that they invented everything in existence. I just hope it doesn't end too badly for Samsung, as their phones are probably the biggest reason why Android has risen up as a viable competitor to iOS (and even raced right past it in market share). The smartphone world needs that competition. I shudder at the thought of a world where the only real choice is getting an iPhone.

RoadHazard said:
I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
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Ahhh, I see. Well that makes sense if it there's a deadline and they didn't make it. I will say that I find it pretty strange that they didn't make the deadline with evidence that seems to be pretty damn important.

There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.

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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Worst case scenario... Apple wins. And also gets to enforce the recent touchscreen patents they were awarded. What does this mean for android? That's what I'm wondering. Although, I really hope this doesn't happen.

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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Yeah... Richard Posner seems to be one of the only sensible ones. Quoting The Guardian:
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At one point, for example, Apple claimed that Google was infringing one of its patents on the process of unlocking a phone by swiping the screen. "Apple's argument that a tap is a zero-length swipe," said Posner, "is silly. It's like saying that a point is a zero-length line."
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Apple is being silly, and this guy seems to be the only judge who gets that.

Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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Yeah, if they actually manage to ruin Android (I don't believe they will), I'll go for a Windows Phone a million times before I even look at an iPhone. I never used to actively dislike Apple, I just wasn't very interested in their products, but recently they've really made me think they're a ****ty anti-competitive company that doesn't deserve a cent of my money. I truly hate what they're trying to do to the smartphone market.

lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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I've kind of feel the same. I never really liked apple, although I know they make good products. After lots of research and hands on experience, I've realized iOS sucks compared to android. All it has is smoothness. Android has far more features and is simpler to use in my opinion. What apple really is good at is hype. After all these lawsuits with them suing everybody for what seems like ridiculous things, it's making me really hate the company now.

Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!

pk92 said:
Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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DD-Ripper said:
Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.

Just Another★Gamer said:
I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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Because Samsung has some respect which Apple dont have. Thats why Apple is playing such cheap games on Samsung.
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I should point out, in the interests of fairness, that despite many of our suspicions regarding bribery or illicit deals there has never been the slightest evidence apple have bought legal rulings by anything other than legitimate and transparent means.
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....

Hell Guardian said:
Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.

ingenious247 said:
This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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mistermentality said:
Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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If worse comes to worst you know we'll just all switch to buying Chinese android devices. The Chinese system not only ignores Apple's chicanery, but has ruled in favor of several plaintiffs against Apple and allows the phones that truly are copies to be sold freely. I don't in any way foresee it coming to that but it will be a long, long time before Apple ever sees dollar one of my money and I will do whatever I can to keep an Android device in my hands.
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ingenious247 said:
It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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You're not getting this. Samsung has shown (to the best of my knowledge the evidence that was tossed by Judge Koh, was legit from Samsung), that they had prior art to this style of design, the apps, the home button, the rounded corners, well before Apple ever went public with the iPhone.

Apple adds Samsung's Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Galaxy Note 10.1 to patent lawsuit

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/apple-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-patent-lawsuit/
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This is ridiculous. Even my don't know anything apple friends know my phone is in no way similar to the iPhone.
Urgh.
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Well apple did invent "the power button" so no one is safe.
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LOL this is getting ridiculous.

LoL apple is going nuts .
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So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?

I like Galaxy products though I'm not a big fan of Samsung... But now I hate Apple...

Alien-dx11 said:
So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?
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I wonder if eve was alive would she have sued apple ?
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Alien-dx11 said:
So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?
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Well as far as I know, it's only the four utility patents that are in question here. I thought universal search was fixed with 4.0 though? I'm pretty sure all of those problems are fixed with 4.1.

theahlenius said:
Well as far as I know, it's only the four utility patents that are in question here. I thought universal search was fixed with 4.0 though? I'm pretty sure all of those problems are fixed with 4.1.
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They should be but seriously, the patents that people can have nowadays are utter ****. "We got a patent on the bounce back from a list". In a movie if someone said that, the audience would be like "Wtf..." but in real life I guess thats fine. A patent on clicking on Email and able to call? Its the most mind boggling retarded thing and of course people think its fine.

Elite49 said:
A patent on clicking on Email and able to call? Its the most mind boggling retarded thing and of course people think its fine.
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agreed. blackberry had that feature too...don't remember apple trying to sue them.

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vK3o3yAo1Fl1 said:
agreed. blackberry had that feature too...don't remember apple trying to sue them.
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Unified search is a ridiculous one too. Basically just being able to find a search item locally as well as from the web. They've already sued to block the SGS3 with this.
Google had this feature with Google Desktop in 2004- Apple filed after it existed and got the patent for it in 2011.
This whole thing stinks so bad- basically if everyone did what Apple is doing, you can just look around at ANY good idea in any product made by anyone, do a quick sketch up of the idea and apply for a patent- even though you didn't do JACK but look around and see something someone else made and come up with your own version of it. If you're rewarded the patent, you can then sue the person who actually came up with the idea before you did and take their idea! You just have to be first to file for the patent.
This really sucks for innovation, because before, A company might come out with something like Google Desktop and release it without a thought that someone else would patent just the basic idea right out from under them and eventually take them to court and sue them based on their own innovation! But now, that's exactly the kind of crap any company is going to have to consider before it can release new ideas. And heaven forbid you're a startup without armies of patent lawyers and billions to throw around protecting yourself from patent-troll based lawsuits.
Thanks a lot Apple. A-holes.

I still sctratch my head as to why Samsung still supllies parts to Apple for their iPhone. Sure it might be a different division within Samsung but it still carries the Samasung name.
Just goes to show you as long as you pay us we will always do business with you no matter how you treat us. Man, how money talks.....

I've always been a fan of apple computers
Will stop supporting them in that vein now too, what a desperate underhanded company...
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I blame our judicial system more than I do apple. Look at what the other courts are doing with these lawsuits in other countries. They seem to have common sense.
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I still sctratch my head as to why Samsung still supllies parts to Apple for their iPhone. Sure it might be a different division within Samsung but it still carries the Samasung name.
Just goes to show you as long as you pay us we will always do business with you no matter how you treat us. Man, how money talks.....
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Exactly! Further more why is Google even making apps for IOS? It's as obvious as a huge zit on your nose that this about android more than it is Samsung. If HTC was the leading android OEM it would be them in court instead.
What would happen to apple if Samsung and Google stopped supporting them? They're already lagging behind in innovation. The iphone 5 is going to be a joke. It's clear apple is trying to kill both of them but they are acting just like the general public. Support apple no matter what. Smh

ah just posted this too didn't see your post. I hope the iPhone fails I've got a Mac but I don't think ill every buy a apple product again because of all this.
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Scum sucking blow holes

I don't know if it would do any good but maybe we should start a potetion to tell apple they are losing customers because of there pour behavior.
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