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So let me get this straight

I want to make sure I'm understanding what's all been going on here the past few days:
A dev releases an alpha radio to the community, along with all the usual disclaimers, etc. (Name not used to protect the innocent).
People start flashing this new "alpha" radio.
Some people start to experience very odd issues which does not allow them to even get back to a stock state (like what worked with every other type of phone).
The dev becomes a little concerned - Since the dev released the radio to the community, he feels it is his duty to inform people that it may be a good idea to revert back to a non "alpha" radio release, because this alpha release may make you not be able to use your phone anymore - again this is an "alpha" release, so no telling what could be causing the issue, but since he is a respected member of the dev community, his reputation may be at stake. So he posts here on XDA.
Next thing you know...Pitchforks and torches.
Go figure.

There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.

Agree, JCase has had too long of a history being supportive and on the right side of the line and in this community to be at some fault. **** happens and accidents are unpredictable for a reason. Anyone that tries to roast him doesn't appreciate the work and effort these guys spend making our devices a little bit closer to heaven.

At least he warned us before 90% of the community had bricked phones.
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Forgetfull said:
There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
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Id say more like 1 in a few hundred, or even thousand, but agreed. Devs are doing a great job.
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Ya, it still amazes me that people are getting all mad and "demand" to know what, why , who, where, how, when, etc.
I'm just glad there are devs out there who can provide solutions, so that I don't have to try and create my own.
The Dev's Rock!

Yeah people need to understand the inherent risks in flashing things to their phones, even more so when its clearly stated that the leaked GB radio was an ALPHA release.
I have nothing but respect for devs who work hard to make our phones even better than what they already are.
Thanks!!!!

jcase is not to blame... it is the modders who run alpha software knowing it may brick their phones then they have to get mad at someone... rather than looking in the mirror.
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Yah I agree I mean isn't the whole rooting, custom rom an "at your own risk" anyway.. I don't get it but goes with half the crap going on these days.. No self responsibility. You flashed it you risked it..! WTF

I would really like to know why, I'm not asking for it though. I am just curious. Really I just want gb to be working safely again.
Jcase and the others have done nothing but provide excellent updates, service and everything else. I am truly impressed by their level of commitment. As others have mentioned in other threads... People get paid decent cash to do what jcase does for free. Thank you, truly.
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Well, he's got a big ego, that matches his reputation. Some people are irritated by that. But no matter what you think of him personally, he's given a lot to the bolt community and that should be respected.
I thought there were some people on here with childish attitudes. I finally realized why...some of them are....Some are younger than my own kids.
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Is Jcase really taking heat? I mean, come on people, we know going in that we can gank our phones by flashing unapproved stuff on them. We brick, we only have ourselves to blame, simple as that. I for one applaud Jcase for alerting us so quickly to the problem.

What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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The haters of jcase are using this as a reason to hate on him. Not saying it's justified, just where it comes from.
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Right. IMO, if anyone complains about a bricked device, they should be banned. The minute you root your device, the responsibility for bricking lies with you.
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"Innocent " not guilty of crime or offense. These devs keep on giving so much to us and this is how we try to repay them by persecution ,instead of the being " behind you " approach we should stand side by side with them, and after all we all practice freewill by flashing.
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Some people are stupid. Simple as that.
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I never knew who JCase was before the Thunderbolt, but I have to say he is a pretty cool dood, and it is awesome to see Devs getting leaks like he does. Never saw any of this with the Evo 4G. We never got to have new radios/roms of new firmware versions until after then had been out a week or two and devs had gotten a hold of them. Here we have them weeks if not months in advance, and I applaud him, and other devs for that.

And just think, they do this all without expecting anything.
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I haven't really been following the story, so I didn't know a dev was taking heat. Lame. Had my phone ended up bricked, I'd blame myself.

signatures against knox .. read .. & help us..

hello!
we all make a great community. many of whom will you be unhappy with Samsung's initiative to use the consequences KNOX we already know ..
if we want to be prisoners, we bought the iphone ...
so.. this is the idea:
SAMSUNG: Remove the Knox system. On recently in new Software Updates.
http://goo.gl/kbIAyj
link original: http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=690492

Won't happen the rreason is good why the use it. For safety
However it's not liked for developers
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Neahhhh.... We are too small for this big game is up to us to find a solution
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excellent idea; I will be joining the effort .
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+1 We have to share this petition and publish in different media, forums, blogs etc... By the way signing and moving wont stop some people to find a B plan or solution without the help of Samsung.
Im seriously thinking of changing my s4 to a nexus 5... If we wanted propietary software wed have bought a nice iphone

Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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chickentuna said:
Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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Would have bought Nexus if, 1) Samsung had been straight with its end users at the time of purchase and 2) seeing as Kitkat update to S4 will also region lock the device =(
I am now rocking an HTC one. I like it.

chickentuna said:
Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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Well I don’t agree that we cannot make a change. If you read a book like The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference , you will come to see that even though Samsung spend around 4 billion $ for marketing , the final say is in the hand of the consumers . Currently if you look around the s4 forum, the note 3 forum, and other forums around of the web you will see that people are unsatisfied with what Samsung is doing, and they are advising people away from Samsung.
For one, I know that I can directly influence 50 of my friends and I made sure to contact each and every one of them about Samsung new policies and advised them against any future purchase of a Samsung device. I also contacted some blogs explaining the issues that we have with Samsung - I have yet to hear a word from them - so even though Samsung can pay its way around the web to silence some critiques , it cannot affect the social binding , and the negative social vibe generated around its products . So let’s wait and see if Samsung will stay arrogant and fall like blackberry, nokia , palm … and any other too big for consumer company did , or whether they are going to start making some changes .

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hello!
we all make a great community. many of whom will you be unhappy with Samsung's initiative to use the consequences KNOX we already know ..
if we want to be prisoners, we bought the iphone ...
so.. this is the idea:
SAMSUNG: Remove the Knox system. On recently in new Software Updates.
http://goo.gl/kbIAyj
link original: http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=690492
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Pointless. Millions of phones are sold and only a hand full of rooters.

chickentuna said:
Hate to say this but this petition thing will never work. Sorry but spinky360 was right.
If you really wanted freedom from locked bootloaders and all that, buy a nexus. That's just how it is.
I wish you luck. You're gonna need it
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man!
I buy a samsung galaxy from the first that came out! always done with what I please! ROM metia you were pre-beta just to try!
with this, we put a barrier samsung and limits us to do what they want!
where it stayed that have Android to be free?
you say you buy a Nexus if I do not go through what we are subjected samsung .. do not you think you're thinking the wrong way? you are undergoing something you limited without any claim?
rings at David vs. Goliath, but at least you will know that there are a handful of unhappy with this new security policy, which on one hand is very good, but on the other, baaaaaaad!
we know that many end users do not even know it's a ROM, let alone answer if you have rooteado or not .. but we are the damned geeks what we like tinkering with what we buy ..
that's the point. perhaps not even make this request out of the desk, but at least we did not stay silent.

For one, the English version of the petition is rather unreadable due to poor punctuation and grammatical errors.
But the real problem is that KNOX itself isn't the problem but how Samsung has decided to inform the companies that handle the warranty repairs. Their line is simply "if there are any 0x1 flags then no warranty". The KNOX flag itself should only mean one thing: that the device was tampered with and its security compromised (important information for corporate IT departments) but it should have no bearing to hardware repairs as these are two separate things.

Done
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I think this "petition" threads should be closed and deleted on XDA ... it obviously never changed anything. I signed so many and it never helped (last one was "HTC One X S-Off petition"). I dont think Samsung nor HTC gives a **** about flasher and custom ROM users like us. They need us just for beta testing when they throw us some "leaks" (like a bone to a dog).

Locked Bootloader Rant (4.4.2)

TouchWiz is not the most horrid operating system I've run (it still isn't superb), but all the same, I'd rather be running pure AOSP (Android Open Source Project), but we need unlocked bootloaders. Come on Verizon, stop sucking! It is my phone and I ought to be able to do what I please with it. Imagine if you bought a fridge from the biggest and most powerful fridge manufacturer (Verizon) only to find out you were only allowed to put strawberries in it. Of all the foods in the entire world, the fridge manufacturer only allows strawberries in the fridge. Sure, it might be fine at first, but what happens when you want to make the fridge your own? As soon as you put a food other than strawberries in said fridge only to find the doors lock and the fridge stops working entirely. Now your fridge is useless because you wanted to support other people and make the fridge your own. If the farmers of the world want to survive, they need to strike deals with the fridge manufacturer in order to get their foods into the fridges. This is a monopoly. There is zero competition; everyone is at the mercy of the fridge manufacturer. This is what Verizon is doing with their phones. Either the developers give in to Verizon's insane demands (money and horrible contracts) to get the software on the phone, or they die out entirely and nobody ever remembers the developers even existed. Sure Verizon offers "Developer Edition" devices, but developers can't have a user base if users cannot install their software. What is the point of developing software for a device if nobody can use it? I'm just saying this is absolute garbage, and we should not take any more of it. Thoughts?

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TouchWiz is not the most horrid operating system I've run (it still isn't superb), but all the same, I'd rather be running pure AOSP (Android Open Source Project), but we need unlocked bootloaders. Come on Verizon, stop sucking! It is my phone and I ought to be able to do what I please with it. Imagine if you bought a fridge from the biggest and most powerful fridge manufacturer (Verizon) only to find out you were only allowed to put strawberries in it. Of all the foods in the entire world, the fridge manufacturer only allows strawberries in the fridge. Sure, it might be fine at first, but what happens when you want to make the fridge your own? As soon as you put a food other than strawberries in said fridge only to find the doors lock and the fridge stops working entirely. Now your fridge is useless because you wanted to support other people and make the fridge your own. If the farmers of the world want to survive, they need to strike deals with the fridge manufacturer in order to get their foods into the fridges. This is a monopoly. There is zero competition; everyone is at the mercy of the fridge manufacturer. This is what Verizon is doing with their phones. Either the developers give in to Verizon's insane demands (money and horrible contracts) to get the software on the phone, or they die out entirely and nobody ever remembers the developers even existed. Sure Verizon offers "Developer Edition" devices, but developers can't have a user base if users cannot install their software. What is the point of developing software for a device if nobody can use it? I'm just saying this is absolute garbage, and we should not take any more of it. Thoughts?
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I think that comparison to the fridge is gold. I am completely on your side to letting my fridge have more than just these damn strawberries. Even though my current fridge is free, I still want my other other fridge to be free!
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Well I had this issue with Motorola and we signed big petitions and got absolutely nowhere. They lost a faithful customer. So I bought this Samsung cause it was easy to do as I wish but they eventually locked it. I personally am not locked but my contract is coming due soon and development is slowly dying. So soon it will be time to move on to another manufacture which may be on a different provider. The question is, will I eventually run out of different manufactures as they all slowly lock down?? I don't know but I will continue to move to the next open device as they come. I am done with crap like this and I'm playing it smarter as I go each time by not buying the device the day it comes (not implying you did) out and keeping an eye on the forums for a month or two before I buy. I need to make sure the coast is clear before buying it. I will most likely be buying the next Nexus to be on the safe side plus their is always a ton of development for it. My contract will be up before it's released but I will just wait before I just buy another device cause I'm available to do so. This will obviously require me to move to another provider so no more Verizon. When my contract is up and they are knocking at my door with deals for a new device I can tell them to blow me. I have 4 phones on my account and you can be rest assured that everyone of them will be removed.
All I can say is rants like this don't get anyone anywhere. I totally agree with you and I'm glad your voicing your disgust and opinion but the best thing for us all to do is simply to move on. They just don't listen and they don't care.

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Well I had this issue with Motorola and we signed big petitions and got absolutely nowhere. They lost a faithful customer. So I bought this Samsung cause it was easy to do as I wish but they eventually locked it. I personally am not locked but my contract is coming due soon and development is slowly dying. So soon it will be time to move on to another manufacture which may be on a different provider. The question is, will I eventually run out of different manufactures as they all slowly lock down?? I don't know but I will continue to move to the next open device as they come. I am done with crap like this and I'm playing it smarter as I go each time by not buying the device the day it comes (not implying you did) out and keeping an eye on the forums for a month or two before I buy. I need to make sure the coast is clear before buying it. I will most likely be buying the next Nexus to be on the safe side plus their is always a ton of development for it. My contract will be up before it's released but I will just wait before I just buy another device cause I'm available to do so. This will obviously require me to move to another provider so no more Verizon. When my contract is up and they are knocking at my door with deals for a new device I can tell them to blow me. I have 4 phones on my account and you can be rest assured that everyone of them will be removed.
All I can say is rants like this don't get anyone anywhere. I totally agree with you and I'm glad your voicing your disgust and opinion but the best thing for us all to do is simply to move on. They just don't listen and they don't care.
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This is sadly the world we live in today. Thankfully, the providers don't have us by the balls just yet, but I fear they soon will. That will be a sad day for the Android community. (Especially considering Android is open source.) Perhaps someday we will be able to publicly voice our concerns and equate our inability to unlock our phones' bootloaders to our (ability/inability) to unlock their SIM cards. It absolutely limits competition, and that's illegal. Thankfully Congress listened to the American people on the SIM card thing, but even if I can unlock my phone's SIM, I cannot use it on another network because my current operating system is locked to Verizon's network. We are literally half way there, but I doubt it will get any further, sadly.

i HATE touchwiz so much that i...dare might say it.... get the new iphone when it comes out. I am sick of VZW not having any really solid phones with pure google

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i HATE touchwiz so much that i...dare might say it.... get the new iphone when it comes out. I am sick of VZW not having any really solid phones with pure google
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Never..... I won't ever subject myself to having anything apple. My kids both have ipods but never will you see me with any apple products.
It is sad they choose not to go with Nexus products at all, personally I think they are really loosing out as tons of people want them but can't get them on this network. I'm still a customer because of the coverage. It's sure as hell not for the prices or even the ability to customize my own device. I don't care if they claim to own it, I pay for it and use it so it's mine plain and simple
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redusk said:
TouchWiz is not the most horrid operating system I've run (it still isn't superb), but all the same, I'd rather be running pure AOSP (Android Open Source Project), but we need unlocked bootloaders. Come on Verizon, stop sucking! It is my phone and I ought to be able to do what I please with it. Imagine if you bought a fridge from the biggest and most powerful fridge manufacturer (Verizon) only to find out you were only allowed to put strawberries in it. Of all the foods in the entire world, the fridge manufacturer only allows strawberries in the fridge. Sure, it might be fine at first, but what happens when you want to make the fridge your own? As soon as you put a food other than strawberries in said fridge only to find the doors lock and the fridge stops working entirely. Now your fridge is useless because you wanted to support other people and make the fridge your own. If the farmers of the world want to survive, they need to strike deals with the fridge manufacturer in order to get their foods into the fridges. This is a monopoly. There is zero competition; everyone is at the mercy of the fridge manufacturer. This is what Verizon is doing with their phones. Either the developers give in to Verizon's insane demands (money and horrible contracts) to get the software on the phone, or they die out entirely and nobody ever remembers the developers even existed. Sure Verizon offers "Developer Edition" devices, but developers can't have a user base if users cannot install their software. What is the point of developing software for a device if nobody can use it? I'm just saying this is absolute garbage, and we should not take any more of it. Thoughts?
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Thoughts... change companies, because they really don;t care about you. We are a very small percent of their business, most people just use their phones as is and its not like you are going to stop using smartphones.

DigitalMD said:
Thoughts... change companies, because they really don;t care about you. We are a very small percent of their business, most people just use their phones as is and its not like you are going to stop using smartphones.
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You hit the nail on the head with that one. My gf has been complaining about the OTA updates on both 4.3 and 4.4 and I told her I could root the phone, she won't hear anything about rooting. Big red will never hear or care about our plights that these are our phones. We can forget about them even caring about what we think
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where to go?
my contract @ Verizon is o.v.e.r.!!! - I'm free- what phone to buy and where to go?? please, anyone, help!
I rooted my S3 (running kitkat) with towelroot- (have busybox and the gang) but the bootloader war is not over. I'm losing this battle with the bootloader and I have a day job... I just want a phone with as much freedom as i can get- any suggestions?
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You hit the nail on the head with that one. My gf has been complaining about the OTA updates on both 4.3 and 4.4 and I told her I could root the phone, she won't hear anything about rooting. Big red will never hear or care about our plights that these are our phones. We can forget about them even caring about what we think
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ANTIESTABLISH said:
my contract @ Verizon is o.v.e.r.!!! - I'm free- what phone to buy and where to go?? please, anyone, help!
I rooted my S3 (running kitkat) with towelroot- (have busybox and the gang) but the bootloader war is not over. I'm losing this battle with the bootloader and I have a day job... I just want a phone with as much freedom as i can get- any suggestions?
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Buy a nexus 6 in that case if you want freedom from bootloader lock down. I can't wait until my contract is up in June. I may just buy it out come tax time if I have the money
From my CM11 S3

total agreement, Blue...
yup!
I think they won..... I waited for the contract to be up thinking i scored the gs3 w/o paying... they were too smart for me....
so now i'm stuck with the locked bootloader - stock rom...
here i come, nexus...
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Buy a nexus 6 in that case if you want freedom from bootloader lock down. I can't wait until my contract is up in June. I may just buy it out come tax time if I have the money
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bootloader downgrade
There's a company in Caldwell Texas named Mobile Tech Videos and supposedly they offer a bootloader downgrade service for $50. I've decided to give that a try. Wish me luck, seriously.

Gabe1021 said:
There's a company in Caldwell Texas named Mobile Tech Videos and supposedly they offer a bootloader downgrade service for $50. I've decided to give that a try. Wish me luck, seriously.
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If you decide to please let us know how it turns out. I'm considering the same.
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Gabe1021 said:
There's a company in Caldwell Texas named Mobile Tech Videos and supposedly they offer a bootloader downgrade service for $50. I've decided to give that a try. Wish me luck, seriously.
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Caldwell, TX is a small town. How'd you get along with that boot loader unlocking?

Had MF1, a week ago accidently flashed NE1.
Switched to Sprint, bought a S5.
Sold the S3.
Bye bye Verizon.

Gabe1021 said:
There's a company in Caldwell Texas named Mobile Tech Videos and supposedly they offer a bootloader downgrade service for $50. I've decided to give that a try. Wish me luck, seriously.
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Update?

DNak206 said:
Update?
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Looks like nothing has changed for them, see this thread for any updates
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306767
My S3 running BlissStalk

It workded for me
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Sorry I've been busy and hadn't posted my personal experience, but I now can report that I cannot complain about my service with Mobile Tech Videos.
My Verizon Galaxy S3 is rooted and I am running CyanogenMod 10.2.1.
I paid Mobile Tech Videos to unlock the bootloader and install the ROM and I'm perfectly happy with my S3 now.

Gabe1021 said:
Sorry I've been busy and hadn't posted my personal experience, but I now can report that I cannot complain about my service with Mobile Tech Videos.
My Verizon Galaxy S3 is rooted and I am running CyanogenMod 10.2.1.
I paid Mobile Tech Videos to unlock the bootloader and install the ROM and I'm perfectly happy with my S3 now.
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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...ive always been led to believe that once u take the NE1 update, that is it, no going back, do not pass go do not collect $200, cannot get the girl, limp sausage forever. so there IS a way to roll back? do u have any idea HOW they did it because theres no way i can send my phone to texas! it cannot have been that difficult, as it was only $50...

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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...ive always been led to believe that once u take the NE1 update, that is it, no going back, do not pass go do not collect $200, cannot get the girl, limp sausage forever. so there IS a way to roll back? do u have any idea HOW they did it because theres no way i can send my phone to texas! it cannot have been that difficult, as it was only $50...
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Nobody knows how they do it. And they certainly aren't going to tell anyone how they do it. That would be the easiest way to lose customers.

Ulterior options to Sunshine for rooting

Hello all,
There was asimilar thread to this (which was short lived because it turned into nothing but a few little d-bags fighting like little girls) in the M8 non-specific carrier forum for conversation and information regarding potential other projects in progress for rooting the VZW M8 that is running 4.4.4 considering there is absolutely no options as of now... I for one have already decided to leave Verizon for this very reason, and if t_mobile is floating the bill for early termination...awesome! However I'm still stuck with the phone,which i love,but have never had a phone i couldn't root after one day of googling. So i want to know if anyone else is privvy to any info that I am not, it looks as though susunshine will be at least another 3 months. It seems there is easy too many geniuses out there to have jcase being the only one that has enough knowledge to do this, don't get me wrong, he is brilliant and very generous with his work but crap! This is aa pretty popular phone and lots of folks using VZW even though they suck for this kind thing, some have no choice and go to who offers the best reception in there area. Please post your thoughts.....
P.s. - as mentioned iam going to be having this VZW branded M8 AND I HAD heard there was a law passed stating that the carriers had to unlock the phones if the customer requested?? Anyone know about this, if so what do ineed to do?

As far as I know there is no progress on unlocking/s-off'ing 4.4.4 except for sunshine. It currently only works on 4.4.3 and below but it has been alluded to that future updates may support 4.4.4. You'll just have to wait and see.
Regarding the unlocking law, that's a different kind of "unlock". You're asking about unlocking your bootloader to allow you access to deeper levels of the phone's memory. That law was about being able to "carrier unlock" a phone to take it to another carrier which uses he same or overlapping frequencies.

It's unfortunate, but as far I can tell no new root method is working, and it might be a while until one is, as basically all other methods have been completely "fixed".

No one would be willing to burn an exploit right now knowing l is so close. Doing so right now would allow them to patch before l drops. We don't want or need that.

dottat said:
No one would be willing to burn an exploit right now knowing l is so close. Doing so right now would allow them to patch before l drops. We don't want or need that.
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That completely makes sense, with L coming so soon they would be wasting their time and effort, as they may have one now but they do not want to release it because it would more than likely still work on L when its out and it would probably be a good while before an update after L so by waiting they are just being using good business sense.
But then again another dev or team could beat them to a crack, that is the good thing about a free society there is competition and no one owns the market at least not for long. I say bring on the competition lol.

M9guy said:
That completely makes sense, with L coming so soon they would be wasting their time and effort, as they may have one now but they do not want to release it because it would more than likely still work on L when its out and it would probably be a good while before an update after L so by waiting they are just being using good business sense.
But then again another dev or team could beat them to a crack, that is the good thing about a free society there is competition and no one owns the market at least not for long. I say bring on the competition lol.
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Competition could lead to everyone who gets this phone with L being locked out if that's the case.

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Competition could lead to everyone who gets this phone with L being locked out if that's the case.
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I really doubt that because there are a lot of devs out there that all they want is the recognition for being the one to crack it and are not looking for financial gain.

M9guy said:
I really doubt that because there are a lot of devs out there that all they want is the recognition for being the one to crack it and are not looking for financial gain.
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Once an exploit is burned its burned. If it is burned before L and it gets patched in L it means L gets delayed and everyone else gets locked out. It's a matter of the few versus the many. The fact they are NOT burning the exploit now because of this should tell you it's not about $.

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Once an exploit is burned its burned. If it is burned before L and it gets patched in L it means L gets delayed and everyone else gets locked out. It's a matter of the few versus the many. The fact they are NOT burning the exploit now because of this should tell you it's not about $.
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That does NOT mean it has nothing to do with $ because it would not be smart to release it now because there would be no gain giving away the crack then they would not make much $ because yes L would most likely patch it. The most financial gain would be to wait till after L because the next update would be a lot farther away, giving more time to collect.

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That does NOT mean it has nothing to do with $ because it would not be smart to release it now because there would be no gain giving away the crack then they would not make much $ because yes L would most likely patch it. The most financial gain would be to wait till after L because the next update would be a lot farther away, giving more time to collect.
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Couple weeks of use versus couple months of use.

dottat said:
Couple weeks of use versus couple months of use.
This thread is no longer serving a purpose. You are upset after being locked out which I understand. Unless you come up with a method and exploit of your own I would suggest you cease this conversation as there won't be a happy ending.
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I"am already unlocked I only responded to the posts already made, and I did not make this thread. No Iam not upset at all you stated your opinion and I did mine and we dont need to agree. I"am more than happy to cease the conversation that you started. I was only replying to the comments you posted replying to mine. I think we can both agree and both agree to disagree, after all we dont have to agree.
Thank you for your opinion and have a good day.

M9guy said:
I"am already unlocked I only responded to the posts already made, and I did not make this thread. No Iam not upset at all you stated your opinion and I did mine and we dont need to agree. I"am more than happy to cease the conversation that you started. I was only replying to the comments you posted replying to mine. I think we can both agree and both agree to disagree, after all we dont have to agree.
Thank you for your opinion and have a good day.
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Agreed. Hopefully the wait for L isn't that long...and the issue becomes moot.

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Agreed. Hopefully the wait for L isn't that long...and the issue becomes moot.
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Sorry I apologize I forgot I did first reply to your post my bad. I respect everyone opinion and I"am not looking to get in to anything with anyone I think two people can have a difference of opinion and debate it without it being anything more.

M9guy said:
Sorry I apologize I forgot I did first reply to your post my bad. I respect everyone opinion and I"am not looking to get in to anything with anyone I think two people can have a difference of opinion and debate it without it being anything more.
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I appreciate that. Nothing personal here either man.

M9guy said:
Sorry I apologize I forgot I did first reply to your post my bad. I respect everyone opinion and I"am not looking to get in to anything with anyone I think two people can have a difference of opinion and debate it without it being anything more.
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Oh and for the record actually I have used your fixes on here quite a few times so I appreciate the things you put on here. I can respect someone and still debate with them and have a difference of opinion and as you can see if I make a mistake in something I do my best to correct it.

heck yes
There can always be a fruitful discussion without people agreeing, that is the way our forefathers did it, and as far as I know, they didn't kill one another, good thread.
Cheers

Except for that little incident 1861 - 1865.......

Cm 13

Cm 13 for Note 5. Will it show up for the note 5 line up or are we stuck with touchwiz.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3280294
[Device Fundraiser] Cyanogenmod on the Note 5

So we have to raise money to buy a phone to hopefully have cm 13

i no longer have a note 5 *sad face* .....donation sent still....$10.00 though...couldn't make the $20 as stated initially due to unforeseen stuff.

I am not doubting him but buying some one a new phone don't know

cdnsnOw said:
I am not doubting him but buying some one a new phone don't know
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Then you probably shouldn't be on XDA. That's how devs get devices when they can't afford one for themselves, or when a dev already owns a different device but wants to help the other parts of the community.

Your funny.
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You're*
And thank you.
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cdnsnOw said:
Your funny.
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Well friend, then to answer your question, no, we won't have CM13 on the Note5. Not if people like you come on here simply to take the work that devs do and never contribute to the community that makes things like CM13 on the Note5 possible.
You're funny.

What work am I taking away I would just be a little concerned sending a bunch of money who I or other people have not have meet before I am sorry about that.. people get the wrong the wrong idea and start freaking out instead of explaining anything just say
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What work am I taking away I would just be a little concerned sending a bunch of money who I or other people have not have meet before I am sorry about that.. people get the wrong the wrong idea and start freaking out instead of explaining anything just say
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I get that, but the idea of this community is to contribute to the community. A lot of people come here simply to download free ROMs and Kernels. Devs work hard on this stuff and it wouldn't kill the community to give back. Especially if something like CM13 has the possibility of coming to our devices, which a lot of people would love to see. If we want a dev to develop for our device, they need to have our device. Simple as that.

Galaxysm said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3280294
[Device Fundraiser] Cyanogenmod on the Note 5
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Get that as well, but did you ever see the bounty for the note 4 att/vzw? 13k for root and 16k for no knox trip. I'm pledging 10 USD and if it goes to waste, than oh well. Xda is a great community and I'm just glad to give some effort to support the cause.
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What work am I taking away I would just be a little concerned sending a bunch of money who I or other people have not have meet before I am sorry about that.. people get the wrong the wrong idea and start freaking out instead of explaining anything just say
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jaxenroth said:
Get that as well, but did you ever see the bounty for the note 4 att/vzw? 13k for root and 16k for no knox trip. I'm pledging 10 USD and if it goes to waste, than oh well. Xda is a great community and I'm just glad to give some effort to support the cause.
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This is a great attitude to have. You could also look at it this way: If the dev isn't able to complete the project you donated for, consider your donation payment for some of the other work the dev has more than likely already put out.

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I am not doubting him but buying some one a new phone don't know
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I am the one taking donations to buy the device for the developer. You do not know me, neither do most people on this board but it comes down to the fact that the developer needs the phone we want him to attempt to get CM, AOSP or any other version of android besides stock running on. He graciously agreed to attempt it but said he will not start a thread asking for donations, which I understand. I agreed to start it, if you are not comfortable with donating to purchase the device, you don't have to and I understand that as well.
I have been a good standing, registered member since 09, lurking for some time before that. I have compiled CM for several devices that I have owned and shared them on these boards, I have been a part of other donation/bounty drives understanding my donation, small as they may be equals strength in numbers and is a small risk I am willing to take because I belive people are generally good and have faith in the xda community. Obviously you do not share that thought and that's OK, but if you have ever used a mod, ROM, freely published apps here or anything of the like you should contribute something to that dev, if they do not take donations most have a link to a charity you can donate to. I am not saying you haven't, just saying in general that's how things work.
I understand that the possibility of me, or once I send the device to the developer, him just disappearing is a fear some may have but that's when you look at how long the person has been here, what they have contributed, have they been helpful etc and make your own decision. It's unrealistic for developers to acquire numerous, expensive devices, develop for them then freely make their work available, yet that's what happens at times, other times the community steps up.

Did not mean to start a big thing and sorry if you all took it the wrong way.. I was just concerned other all and I thank everyone for there comments. Duster thank you for all your hard work I am not doubting you at all I love the work you put in..
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Did not mean to start a big thing and sorry if you all took it the wrong way.. I was just concerned other all and I thank everyone for there comments. Duster thank you for all your hard work I am not doubting you at all I love the work you put in..
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It's all good man. We may come off a little strong here on XDA because we; for lack of a better work, care about our devs because they do a lot of stuff without even demanding payment. That particular dev has a history here on XDA for bringing AOSP/CM based work onto previous Note devices so he is reputable. However I definitely understand your concerns as it does come up here in the community from time to time. I remember there were a few devs that let the money get to them and they ended up leaving because they took the money and ran. That was a few years ago though.
I wouldn't sweat it though. I do encourage you to donate at least $10. We are close to getting the funds needed to get the device for him so that work can begin. Though it's not a gaurantee that he will be able to get CM on the Note 5, progress has already been made getting it onto the Sprint version, so we are very hopeful that it'll happen for the other variants as well.

CM 13 will NEVER come to our Note 5. Don't get all your hopes up guys/girls. This guy is blowing smoke up our a$$es.. If it was able to be done, don't you think CM would be doing it for us?! The day I buy a stranger a phone, just to make my $600 purchase a better experience will NEVER happen. Sorry

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CM 13 will NEVER come to our Note 5. Don't get all your hopes up guys/girls. This guy is blowing smoke up our a$$es.. If it was able to be done, don't you think CM would be doing it for us?! The day I buy a stranger a phone, just to make my $600 purchase a better experience will NEVER happen. Sorry
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CM doesn't develop for Exynos devices so no, I don't think they'd do it.
Also, you're not really buying him a phone, you're just chipping in (doesn't even have to be that much) to make your $600 purchase a better experience. Seems worth it to me. It's okay though, you're allowed to not chip in. It's totally your choice.
Too bad most of the devs here are really nice people. If I were a dev, and I managed to get CM working on the Note 5 because the community chipped in and got me one, I'd privately release it to only the people who donated. That's just me, though.

lightninbug said:
CM 13 will NEVER come to our Note 5. Don't get all your hopes up guys/girls. This guy is blowing smoke up our a$$es.. If it was able to be done, don't you think CM would be doing it for us?! The day I buy a stranger a phone, just to make my $600 purchase a better experience will NEVER happen. Sorry
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Funny, yet you want people to donate to you! For what?!
Buy Me A Drink Or Two
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Akw6190 said:
CM doesn't develop for Exynos devices so no, I don't think they'd do it.
Also, you're not really buying him a phone, you're just chipping in (doesn't even have to be that much) to make your $600 purchase a better experience. Seems worth it to me. It's okay though, you're allowed to not chip in. It's totally your choice.
Too bad most of the devs here are really nice people. If I were a dev, and I managed to get CM working on the Note 5 because the community chipped in and got me one, I'd privately release it to only the people who donated. That's just me, though.
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People are just overly salty for no reason these days. I think they are just trying to make everyone else a debbie downer like they are.

If it actually EVER gets released, feel free to tag me and say you told you so... Until then, I'll be laughing at the ones waiting.
And to the post above, overly salty?!.. No, I'm just being a realist and acknowledging that it will never be released for our device.
Want CM?!? Get a damn nexus!