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Does anybody know if some good blue tooth headphones that work well with music player and apps like fring or grooveip
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hI,
I just got a pair of these Motorola S10 HD, they are BT and work pretty good. they arent very loud but loud enough for me.
I did see this link, it is a program that brings the TF's volume up, it sounds like a very good program go get but you have to be rooted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1132875
I am not rooted yet, but when I do (soon, probably tonight) I will try it and let you know if/when I do.
the s10's do work, and they work pretty far away too (I can go from one end of the house to the other), plus they have a mic, you can change volume, song, track, etc from the headset too.
Hope that helps
John
Thanks man.
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I use Sony's DR-BT50, the sound is great and the battery life very good......
Xerravon said:
hI,
I just got a pair of these Motorola S10 HD, they are BT and work pretty good. they arent very loud but loud enough for me.
I did see this link, it is a program that brings the TF's volume up, it sounds like a very good program go get but you have to be rooted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1132875
I am not rooted yet, but when I do (soon, probably tonight) I will try it and let you know if/when I do.
the s10's do work, and they work pretty far away too (I can go from one end of the house to the other), plus they have a mic, you can change volume, song, track, etc from the headset too.
Hope that helps
John
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I am still using my Motorola S9 headphones. They work well for music listening OR headset/mic but not both at the same time. Do the new S10HD work better? I always just disable headset profile for mine so as to avoid issue, but would love to have all functions available. For example, if you connect to both headset and a2dp simultaneously and then use voice search it fails to initialize the headset mic and uses the internal mic on the tablet/phone. This was a known issue of the S9 so I am hoping you can test and inform if it is resolved.
Is anyone else having problems with the bluetooth in the car? I am pretty frustrated with the performance of the bluetooth in my car (Infiniti G37xS). I used to have a Rezound and that worked pretty much flawlessly. As soon as I got in my car it would automatically connect (since I leave BT on). The Rezound also connected for both media audio and phone audio, meaning I could be streaming music but it would still be connected as a phone in case I got a call.
Now on to the SGIII...It is extremely hit or miss whether the phone connects to my car automatically (mostly miss). When it does connect, it seems to only let me connect as media audio or phone audio. If I try to check both it disconnects and won't work. So that kinda defeats the purpose of BT in a car IMO. Then the next issue, when I finally get it to connect to stream music, it disconnects quite a bit and sometimes it takes me forever to get it to reconnect. I have to switch outputs in my car, turn off/on BT on the phone, etc just to get it to reconnect.
It is VERY annoying. Does anyone else have these issues? Why is this so much different than my Rezound? Anything that I can do to alleviate any of these issues? (Other than using a cable for streaming)
I had issues with my first GS3, it would make a clicking nose so they replaced it. This one works great. My wife's car is the only one with the BT connection but when ever I use her car it works seamlessly. Sorry you are having issues. I'd talk to vzw to see if they'll replace it. Have you modified your GS3? If you're running a custom rom then I would go through vzw.
The phone is 100% stock. I really don't want to return it for a refurbished phone though if I can avoid it.
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My experience with stock on 3 vehicles, one Chrysler, one Ford, and one with an aftermarket Sony head unit was no issues whatsoever. As soon as I began to run CM10, I have had nothing but issues just like you described, connect to phone and no media, etc. I also have a friend who has a stock S3 with a Nissan and has no issues with Bluetooth. I did have issues with the Nexus in a Ford, and it was rectified when there was a Sync update. If you are current with updates in the car, I might consider a swap if I were you.
Stock phone syncs with my Ford just fine. On CM10 I have to use the alternate sync method for syncing. Does Infiniti offer that option? It may help.
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Is anyone else having problems with the bluetooth in the car? I am pretty frustrated with the performance of the bluetooth in my car (Infiniti G37xS).
It is VERY annoying. Does anyone else have these issues? Why is this so much different than my Rezound? Anything that I can do to alleviate any of these issues? (Other than using a cable for streaming)
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I get an occasional (once a week or so) disconnect and then I have to turn off the car and turn it back on to reconnect. Annoying.
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I get an occasional (once a week or so) disconnect and then I have to turn off the car and turn it back on to reconnect. Annoying.
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My phone connects just fine to my '12 Charger, but the media info does not show up on my screen. I can fast forward, rewind, etc, but I do not get the album art and artist. Anyone have a fix for that? I have moved to PlayerPro because of the issues with the stock player on the phone, and I have enabled the avrcp support but still no avail.
Well I tried it again this morning on my way to work and it worked flawlessly. Both streaming and phone audio. The only thing different was that I installed the new update that Verizon just pushed out (kinda wish I didn't because of all of the crap they put on there, but oh well). At least my BT seems fixed now. Strange.
Thanks for the input from everyone!
Hello everyone!
I got the S III a few days ago and so far I'm pleased with it. I rooted it yesterday and got rid of the Verizon crapware and it's even better! I do have one issue though. I often listen to music in my car, and for that I usually use my phone. I'm having an issue with it being to quiet though. All of my other phones and tablets have been loud enough, but the S III is just barely audible when I'm on the highway even on full blast. Is there a configuration file or something I can edit? I'm also wondering if it has something to do with the "Loud music may harm your hearing if you listen to it for a long time" prompt.
Thanks for any help!
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That doesn't help me, I don't even have the galaxy 553 or whatever.
You could use Volume+ in the Play Store. Many GNex users used that for their lower than normal speaker.
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You could use Volume+ in the Play Store. Many GNex users used that for their lower than normal speaker.
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I just tried it. It did nothing to the volume level. Neither quieter or louder.
I take it there's no way to do it?
Try this. Phenomenal sound. Read the op carefully for all the install instructions. Hope it works for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883262
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I just tried it. It did nothing to the volume level. Neither quieter or louder.
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Try playing with it some more. I use the paid version and it works great at increasing the volume.
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Hello everyone!
I got the S III a few days ago and so far I'm pleased with it. I rooted it yesterday and got rid of the Verizon crapware and it's even better! I do have one issue though. I often listen to music in my car, and for that I usually use my phone. I'm having an issue with it being to quiet though. All of my other phones and tablets have been loud enough, but the S III is just barely audible when I'm on the highway even on full blast.
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That prompt appears to be only a benign warning - happens when you have a plug in the headphone jack and then raise the volume beyond a certain point.
This phone's playback volume is good for me using the headphone jack in the car, for what it's worth.
- ooofest
I've been searching to solve this issue as well. Try awesome beats http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1819353 (note: I just made a nandroid backup and flashed the zip and it works) in the awesomebeats app I set bluetooth tab(assuming bluetooth headset) I set beats boost enable and moderate, enable equalizer: preset: vocal boost, loudness compensation: weak or strong. It seems to make an improvement unless I'm just experiencing a placebo effect.
Just search volume+(volume boost), on play store a simple app to boost volume
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Try this. Phenomenal sound. Read the op carefully for all the install instructions. Hope it works for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883262
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Ok, so I really thought this would work, but once it hits a little over half way volume level (or the point where it starts saying loud music may harm your hearing), and I try to turn it up, it doesn't get any louder. Seems like it just increased the gain. Thanks though.
I'll try awesome beats next, I just don't need the bass so loud, I already have a subwoofer in my car. ^^
Volume+ is what you need I use this myself and it definately works, make sure to go into each of the settings speaker, headphone, bluetooth and check off audio modifications and use custom eq settings then slide your eq settings up. play around with the settings to get best balance. Bottom slider is volume boost.
I use my GS3 in my car and I don't have a problem. I run it through a horrible fm transmitter and it is still loud enough. When I plug it in at first it cuts my volume in half due to the headphone safety setting which I can't find to turn off. It was an option on my Droid Razr. I'm running the synergy rom on my phone. You can try messing with the equalizer settings depending on what you play your music through that should help. but it sounds like a problem with your radio or your aux cable you are using. Try it in someone else's car or a different cable.
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I've been searching to solve this issue as well. Try awesome beats http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1819353 (note: I just made a nandroid backup and flashed the zip and it works) in the awesomebeats app I set bluetooth tab(assuming bluetooth headset) I set beats boost enable and moderate, enable equalizer: preset: vocal boost, loudness compensation: weak or strong. It seems to make an improvement unless I'm just experiencing a placebo effect.
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Amazing. Exactly what I was looking for! THIS IS A GREAT SOLUTION FOR ANYONE LOOKING!
Thank you for sharing, it is indeed an improvement.
I'm just trying to find out whats draining my battery now though. Seems the "Phone" application has began to drain battery life, but it may just be a coincidence.
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I use my GS3 in my car and I don't have a problem. I run it through a horrible fm transmitter and it is still loud enough. When I plug it in at first it cuts my volume in half due to the headphone safety setting which I can't find to turn off. It was an option on my Droid Razr. I'm running the synergy rom on my phone. You can try messing with the equalizer settings depending on what you play your music through that should help. but it sounds like a problem with your radio or your aux cable you are using. Try it in someone else's car or a different cable.
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It's my setup. I'm using computer speakers and an inverter with a subwoofer to listen to music. It's all good now though. I found a great solution.
Hey guys I need, some help. My nexus 5 is get stuck in headset mode. I dont know what to do, please help me.
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Hey guys I need, some help. My nexus 5 is get stuck in headset mode. I dont know what to do, please help me.
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Please elaborate.
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What to you mean???Elaborate what???
I am having this problem as well. After using my Bluetooth headset the volumes will not return to the levels I had without the Bluetooth headset connected. It also happens on my Galaxy Nexus running Kit Kat so I think it is an OS issue. I do notice that the volume icon that comes up on the screen when attempting to change the volume is different than normal as it doesn't have the 2 "soundwaves" coming out of it. I have yet to find a fix other than turning the phone off and back on.
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What to you mean???Elaborate what???
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Please forgive my ignorance, but what is "headset mode"?
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EDIT: nvm, I get it.
Google results suggest that the problem may be due to dirt in the jack.
I tried an app about a minute ago, that called SoundAbout and seems is a good temporary solution for the problem. If someone else tried something else and it worked for him please let me know.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but what is "headset mode"?
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EDIT: nvm, I get it.
Google results suggest that the problem may be due to dirt in the jack.
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I tried to clean it , but how much dust or dirt can get in the jack in 2 weak use....???
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I tried to clean it , but how much dust or dirt can get in the jack in 2 weak use....???
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I agree, probably not dirt in your case. So, what do you think? RMA?
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I agree, probably not dirt in your case. So, what do you think? RMA?
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I dont know, I think is a combination of a hardware and software issue. Maybe sth get contacted in jack and facted up my nexus.
My old Xperia randomly did this. Just keep plugging the headset in and out until it clears
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I think it is a kitkat issue. I have the same problem but after a restart the problem is gone until i connect my headset again
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This same thing happens to me. Its weird whenever i connect my bluetooth the audio starts to come out of the device's earset (where you put your ear). I have to restart the phone to fix it until I connect a bluetooth again. When I use the volume buttons I see a different bar (like when you are on a call or something) instead of the bar to adjust ringtone's volume. It is super annoying. Sometimes music comes out of the speakers but if I open an app that speaks over bluetooth (waze for example) the music audio stops coming from the speakers and starts coming out the ear speaker on the phone..
What I do to replicate this is to connect a bluetooth headset. Turn on music (google music) open waze.. Audio starts coming out the ear speaker instead of the phones speaker..
Any fix??
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This same thing happens to me. Its weird whenever i connect my bluetooth the audio starts to come out of the device's earset (where you put your ear). I have to restart the phone to fix it until I connect a bluetooth again. When I use the volume buttons I see a different bar (like when you are on a call or something) instead of the bar to adjust ringtone's volume. It is super annoying. Sometimes music comes out of the speakers but if I open an app that speaks over bluetooth (waze for example) the music audio stops coming from the speakers and starts coming out the ear speaker on the phone..
What I do to replicate this is to connect a bluetooth headset. Turn on music (google music) open waze.. Audio starts coming out the ear speaker instead of the phones speaker..
Any fix??
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Try the app soundabout, but try to find the pro edition free.
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I think it is a kitkat issue. I have the same problem but after a restart the problem is gone until i connect my headset again
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Did you find any other solutions for the problem?
I too have this issue. Same on two handsets. Connect to bluetooth and works fine. Disconnect and all future audio comes out of earpiece hole until you reboot and then back to the speaker.
Anyone found a solution for this? I have the same problem.
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Anyone found a solution for this? I have the same problem.
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I may have a workaround for this issue.
This problem has been driving me crazy. The first time after a reboot, my Nexus 5 connects to my car audio just fine via bluetooth. But after I shut the car off, the phone's speaker is turned off, and all audio plays through the earpiece. Additionally, the next time I try to connet to my car's Bluetooth, it will no longer play audio through the bluetooth connection (although I can still control the device via bluetooth).
Rebooting the phone fixes it, but it's a pain to always be turning the phone on and off, and if I'm already in my car, it won't re-establish the connection if I restart my phone while the car's still running.
I downloaded the free 'Fast Reboot' app, which essentially closes and restarts all core user processes. Sure enough, launching 'Fast Reboot' seems to fix the problem... at least until the next time I disconnect.
It seems something in Kit Kat is locking the audio to the earpiece after a bluetooth disconnect. I've got my fingers crossed that the upcoming Android update fixes this problem for good. :fingers-crossed:
In the meanwhile, let me know if Fast Reboot does the trick for you too.
Thanks for the workaround, it works well. I think google will fix this in the next update, it only says "Bluetooth fixes" right now but what else are they gonna fix? Well, i hope they will.
Hey everyone,
Found out my company is ditching Sprint for Verizon which means I have to part with my beloved Nexus 5.
Anyway, from what I've been reading on here it seems like the M8 is really the only Verizon phone that can be rooted. I've had a few HTC phones over the years, including the M7, but they never seem to get along with my car's stereo. The phone part works fine but when I stream music via Bluetooth there is always a great deal of distortion in the high end. Especially on cymbal crashes. This makes it pretty much unlistenable. I'm curious if anyone has experienced anything like with with the M8? I've Googled it a few times and found threads about the One X and One M7 having this problem but have yet to see anything about the M8.
I don't stream to my car often, but on the handful of times I have, I didn't notice any sound issues. This was using Pandora and Google Music, on a Ford (2008 model).
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I don't stream to my car often, but on the handful of times I have, I didn't notice any sound issues. This was using Pandora and Google Music, on a Ford (2008 model).
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Just got my jaybird x's today and guess what. Filled with static. I could not be more annoyed with this particular phone right now. Three defects in one model I mean come on. Speaker crackle. Screen is creased and looks like you're pressing down on a TV and now Bluetooth has static
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I can't say for certain, but I imagine bluetooth audio issues would most likely be due to whatever is actually playing the music, not the phone. Bluetooth audio, in general, is terrible - unless you're using something like the HTC Stereoclip which does not use that same audio codec that just about everything else does. You could have lossless flac files on your phone, and 9/10 times it's gonna sound like crap over bluetooth, no matter what the music is being sent from.
I stream daily over Bluetooth and it sounds amazing. Vzw.
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Just plugged mine into my aftermarket JVC GPS stereo on a my truck which gets only occasional use these days. Have to say I was somewhat blown away when I pushed some Comfortably Numb into the 5 speakers (Inc sub) and cranked up the volume. Most impressive...
The wife gets terrific sound from her N7 to some small bluetooth speakers we got last year and has no issues unless she's using TuneIn at which point it goes from OK to awful.
I say this to simply point out that the invariable rule of YMMV seems to hold sway here but I don't think the M8 has any generic systematic failure with bluetooth audio.
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Just got my jaybird x's today and guess what. Filled with static. I could not be more annoyed with this particular phone right now. Three defects in one model I mean come on. Speaker crackle. Screen is creased and looks like you're pressing down on a TV and now Bluetooth has static
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Hmmm... thats not what I want to hear.
brandogg said:
I can't say for certain, but I imagine bluetooth audio issues would most likely be due to whatever is actually playing the music, not the phone. Bluetooth audio, in general, is terrible - unless you're using something like the HTC Stereoclip which does not use that same audio codec that just about everything else does. You could have lossless flac files on your phone, and 9/10 times it's gonna sound like crap over bluetooth, no matter what the music is being sent from.
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This is true. But I'm talking hiss/distortion like a speaker is blown. I'm just streaming Spotify to my cars stereo and not expecting flawless audio but the issues I have with the M7 were unlistenable.
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I stream daily over Bluetooth and it sounds amazing. Vzw.
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Thanks!
Not Enough Coffee said:
Just plugged mine into my aftermarket JVC GPS stereo on a my truck which gets only occasional use these days. Have to say I was somewhat blown away when I pushed some Comfortably Numb into the 5 speakers (Inc sub) and cranked up the volume. Most impressive...
The wife gets terrific sound from her N7 to some small bluetooth speakers we got last year and has no issues unless she's using TuneIn at which point it goes from OK to awful.
I say this to simply point out that the invariable rule of YMMV seems to hold sway here but I don't think the M8 has any generic systematic failure with bluetooth audio.
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Thanks!
From what I understand, it has something to do with HTC setting the bitpool value too low. Which, in itself, might not be a big deal but it might just be a issue with that value combined with my car's stereo. I just don't want to lose root when I move to Verizon.
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I can't say for certain, but I imagine bluetooth audio issues would most likely be due to whatever is actually playing the music, not the phone. Bluetooth audio, in general, is terrible - unless you're using something like the HTC Stereoclip which does not use that same audio codec that just about everything else does. You could have lossless flac files on your phone, and 9/10 times it's gonna sound like crap over bluetooth, no matter what the music is being sent from.
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Maybe the stereo in your car just sucks? Streaming Pandora over BT in my car usually sounds great. I mean granted it's not as good as using headphones, but it sounds pretty damn good.
Also, I streamed some more over this last weekend, and while the quality was still good, it did disconnect once for no apparent reason. And once it happened, I remembered that it happened a few weeks ago as well. Same thing, I was just driving along both times, and my BT just seemed to shut off. I turned BT back on, reconnected Sync (it's damned annoying how Sync never automatically reconnects), and it worked again for the rest of the weekend.
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Maybe the stereo in your car just sucks? Streaming Pandora over BT in my car usually sounds great. I mean granted it's not as good as using headphones, but it sounds pretty damn good.
Also, I streamed some more over this last weekend, and while the quality was still good, it did disconnect once for no apparent reason. And once it happened, I remembered that it happened a few weeks ago as well. Same thing, I was just driving along both times, and my BT just seemed to shut off. I turned BT back on, reconnected Sync (it's damned annoying how Sync never automatically reconnects), and it worked again for the rest of the weekend.
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Thanks for the info.
I saw that an OTA for the M8 pushed out today (I think) that was supposed to fix some Bluetooth issues. I won't if the disconnects were addressed.
I'm M8 should be here on Monday. I really hope it works out OK. I don't want to send it back for an iPhone. :crying:
Another OTA? Has anyone else heard this? I am having a really rough time with bluetooth headset outgoing voice quality so some sort of fix would be awesome.
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If the phone volume is at max it will distort. When I turn the volume to max while streaming Bluetooth to my car stereo it sounds crackling and distorted. Turning volume down 2 clicks to about 85% on the phone fixes it
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Another OTA? Has anyone else heard this? I am having a really rough time with bluetooth headset outgoing voice quality so some sort of fix would be awesome.
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Sorry, I should have checked the date. The thread is fromm the 18th. This is the one I was referring too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2722817
Evocm7 said:
If the phone volume is at max it will distort. When I turn the volume to max while streaming Bluetooth to my car stereo it sounds crackling and distorted. Turning volume down 2 clicks to about 85% on the phone fixes it
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It's not a volume thing. I've tried turning it down when I had the M7 and it sounded the same.
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If the phone volume is at max it will distort. When I turn the volume to max while streaming Bluetooth to my car stereo it sounds crackling and distorted. Turning volume down 2 clicks to about 85% on the phone fixes it
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Again, sorry, but it may just be your stereo. When Bluetooth streaming to my car I always have my phones media volume maxed and I control the listening volume via the car volume, and it sounds fine.
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Again, sorry, but it may just be your stereo. When Bluetooth streaming to my car I always have my phones media volume maxed and I control the listening volume via the car volume, and it sounds fine.
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Do you have an aftermarket stereo? I've had 4 different head units on my car, all high end Sony and clarion and all had same thing with max volume all my previous 3 phones ( rezound, s4, and m8). Just curious if it's just aftermarket decks that have this issue which I really don't consider an issue. I prefer to have the volume lower on the source and let my deck and equalizer provide the output anyway.
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Do you have an aftermarket stereo? I've had 4 different head units on my car, all high end Sony and clarion and all had same thing with max volume all my previous 3 phones ( rezound, s4, and m8). Just curious if it's just aftermarket decks that have this issue which I really don't consider an issue. I prefer to have the volume lower on the source and let my deck and equalizer provide the output anyway.
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No, it's a factory Ford stereo. If you know someone with a factory BT compatible stereo, maybe try pairing your phone to their car and see if streams with or without distortion?
I mean, it's possible your particular phone itself could be bad. I just don't think it's all M8's since I don't have a problem, and because I imagine we would have seen a lot more complaints.
For six months I have been playing music in my car with a one (M7) via Bluetooth, with very annoying vibrations that eventually damaged my car stereo. I just found out that if I launch the media app via the "HTC car" app, the volume is much louder and I don't have those vibrations anymore. By default the HTC car app in the M7 only includes the default "Music" app, but other media apps may be added.
Hope this may help for the M8 too.
By these vibrations detroyed my car stereo, and I had to change it. I am pretty annoyed that HTC doesn't mention this anywhere, and leaves it to the user to find out.