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Do you think anyone can develope a program to prevent google from capturing this information about their users? Maybe at least on a android based platform even. This really chaps my a$$
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b
Whats the big deal? Google cuts down on paperwork and the policies haven't changed, they are just merged/ It eliminated redundancies and wasted effort.
what difference does it make if you are giving your personal information to Gmail or to youtube? If google has it, Google has it, period. It is still a Google based service, combining the private policies of all of the services into one makes perfect sense.
Google has stated they still have no plans to change how they handle the data.
The big deal is I NEVER CLICK YES for gooble to collect anything on me, which means I "opt-out" now I have a contract on a phone I dont want to touch. great, a 700$ paperweight , not including the service. screw you google.
I will not tap "yes" for google
Are you sure that they are 700 $?
Rage! An ad/marketing company makes my OS and wants to show me ads relevant to me rather than random ads. A company wants to make money off of a product they've created and are heavily vested in? Who'd have thunk it?
Don't like it? There's other choices out there. WP7 is pretty hot ;-)
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Rage! An ad/marketing company makes my OS and wants to show me ads relevant to me rather than random ads. A company wants to make money off of a product they've created and are heavily vested in? Who'd have thunk it?
Don't like it? There's other choices out there. WP7 is pretty hot ;-)
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Wait til wp7 phones get ads lol
Have to say though to op its not like google are pushing ads to your device. If you browse net you get same problem. I think they have messed up somewhere cos on my laptop I always get ads for things I already have. But I don't get ads on my phone unless on a webpage or using an ad funded app so no different to a pc or any internet device.
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Wait til wp7 phones get ads lol
Have to say though to op its not like google are pushing ads to your device. If you browse net you get same problem. I think they have messed up somewhere cos on my laptop I always get ads for things I already have. But I don't get ads on my phone unless on a webpage or using an ad funded app so no different to a pc or any internet device.
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Microsoft is a software company, Google is a marketing company.
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Microsoft is a software company, Google is a marketing company.
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Hence the lol
But the point is google aren't sending ads any different than on a pc. Whatever phone pc or tablet people use makes no difference, google and others can and do still collect data when you browse.
And some collect other data even when you opt out such as wp7 collecting user data that caused them to get sued last year. Its impossible to have a smartphone and not have someone collect data of some sort.
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Hence the lol
But the point is google aren't sending ads any different than on a pc. Whatever phone pc or tablet people use makes no difference, google and others can and do still collect data when you browse.
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I am not fond of google. I use Bing and have visited YouTube maybe 3 times this year. That said, Bing does the same thing to me.
Well **** that.. i am going back to Symbian s60v3... At least i wont have the damn adds
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Well **** that.. i am going back to Symbian s60v3... At least i wont have the damn adds
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Lmao.
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I use Bing...Bing does the same thing to me.
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Bing probably does other things that would scare the hell out of you if you were aware of them. Google is nosy. M$ is evil.
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Bing probably does other things that would scare the hell out of you if you were aware of them. Google is nosy. M$ is evil.
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Color me intrigued, what makes Microsoft more evil than google?
What would be the best way to avoid this?
a problem I could see is if like, I have my son over on a weekend and he jumps on...idk, nickelodeon. com or something, will it show ads for all the porn sites I visit?
I sure as hell wouldn't want him reporting that to his mother and even possibly the appropriate authorities...
just curious but in what way is this different, if not dramatically worse, than everything CarrierIQ was accused of a few months back.
I wonder if this will affect things like StartPage which bills itself as being completely private but is "enhanced by Google"
This is why I have dead email addresses. I've got one for Gmail just for my phone. Never use it for anything else. Just the phone.
Don't Be Evil, just make lots and lots of money.
The real problem is the internet. There are always the spammers that get a kick out of just breaking someone else's things, and that's why almost all websites log things. It also creates privacy concerns for those trying to follow the rules. So if it bothers you so much that Google knows you search for a laptop, and it suggests that there is a better, cheaper one, next time you use gmail, then you have problems. I personally love this, now when I go between Google services, I don't have to log in again. Google provides you with great services for free, why not give them the ability to advertise to you? The world is dangerous, get over it.
Or you could do the most practical thing, ad block. Its on Firefox and chrome, so that should cover almost everybody. If your stuck with ie, well, god help you.
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just curious but in what way is this different, if not dramatically worse, than everything CarrierIQ was accused of a few months back.
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Carrier IQ records keystrokes, text messages and other private stuff Google does not. And without even telling anyone it was there.
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The big deal is I NEVER CLICK YES
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You agreed to their terms of service. As has been pointed out, the information is used so they can show ads that pertain to you specifically. I view this as a good thing.
If you don't want a company to know your browsing and purchasing habits, you should buy a cabin in the woods and live off the grid, no electronics, no grocery stores, completely self sufficient.
Good luck!
I just need to vent. I'm a fairly active developer for the android platform. I've created a number of kernel patches and applications that I have released at no charge to the community for about 10 or so devices.
All this I do in my "spare time", which I have very little of because I am a full time professional student who takes on 32 credit hour semesters.
Recently, since my 1994 geo prizm is literally falling apart and I was hoping to scrounge together a little bit of money to get a new car so I don't end up stranded on my way to class, I decided to release a paid application. Fastcharge / Force AC toggle which allows you to toggle on and off the force AC feature. A feature which I have personally implemented and released source patches for on a number of devices.
Not only in every thread where I released the patch on a device did I write up how to toggle the feature through the command line, but I also stated that I also implemented a toggle into my completely free application that you can also download from the market, IncrediControl.
In good faith and knowing how annoying licensing is, I elected to not include licensing in my application. This is a huge regret.
Within a couple days of releasing the application to the market I googled it to see if anyone was talking about it. One of the first links was to a piracy site where a user was requesting the widget, to which another user obliged and posted the apk to a filesharing site. Doing something I never though I would have to do, I filed a DMCA takedown request, which was answered quickly and the app was taken down. Monitoring the thread, every single time a link gets taken down, another user requests the app and the original user reuploads it, most recently to 11 different sites.
So now, after filing dozens of takedown requests. This user has decided to unzip my apk, change out the artwork, and now is going around releasing it as his own work.
Really, all this to avoid paying $1.50 (only ~$1 of it actually going to me) to an individual whose yearly income is low enough that he doesn't have to file taxes?
This disgusts me.
This is even worse than the 50% "order cancellation rate" that the widget has. I'm not stupid, I know exactly what users are doing, but yet initially I was willing to ignore it. But this has gone too far.
What is even the point of pissing off a developer so much that he is considering saying screw the platform all together? It doesn't even make sense. We, the developers improve your devices, generally at little or no cost, and this is how we're repaid. With ~50% of current users of the application having pirated it. To avoid paying just over $1.
Now before someone even counters with the "my area doesn't support paid applications" argument I've actually gladly GIVEN the widget away to a number of users who casually mentioned in the release threads that they couldn't download it for this reason. Not to mention, everyone knows there are apps that unlock the market in these areas to be able to purchase apps.
How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
Of course, this must suck for a developer like you. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more often, and all I can really say is:
I would gladly pay a few bucks for an application like IC or BootManager. That BootManager seemed really interesting, but we can't buy apps from the Play Store without CC (and as a 16-year old, I don't have one). I asked the developer if he accepted Paypal, but he didn't.
Don't get me wrong, and this is not an attack to you personally: developers, if you made something really nice, and people will like it, 70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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I honestly thought this was the case. It's really not. The problem is much worse than that. If 70% of users in the root community paid for apps it would be astonishing. Its made pretty clear by the number of users who download the app, back it up and then cancel the order.
If a 16 year old kid had made me that offer, the e-mail reply I sent would have the apk attached.
Well, that is a real flaw of Android: tweakability is really impressing, but these things make it really difficult to earn some money as a developer.
We have been thinking about anti-piracy measures as well, with stuff such as authentication with a server, and locking down the code and verifying integrity of APKs and stuff to make sure it's really hard to mess with the code, but it's just sad that there's a need for these measures..
The trouble is everything has piracy right from movies to game consoles through to mobiles and music.
I mean the iPhones appstore would be a hell of a lot bigger if there was no jailbreaking and installous.
Every platform has been cracked so you'll get it regardless of what you develop for.
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I think you know you just needed to vent but can I change your picture.
There are some people in this world who just don't buy the idea of an idea as property. That's not compatible with this business model. That's the first problem.
The next problem is that
there's a million and one apps out there and which one are we going to choose? Where does it start, where does it end? We all have our limits. What's yours?
For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
The very community that allowed us to create the app fails to pay for it's products is like life itself.
I'd say make something for the iphone instead because there's more profit there but that would never have been possible, see what I'm saying? That's the 3rd problem.
So you've got 3 problems there all converging into one big push towards piracy. But remember, can your app assure security that the pirated version cannot for example? This is how one has to think.
In short,
you can't do something and hope to make a bit from it on the side. You got to go out from the start and get the money aspect central from the start. I mean, that's business and of course that's exactly what the android community works hard to free us from.
Still, summarising those 3 points for suggestion:
- offer something free things can't (i.e. security, brand etc) For example, I never run pirated stuff for fear of insecurity on my data whereas I'll try out software that way on an old PC
- can always put a service in the cloud aka the javascript trap
- iphone is there if you want...
- needs to "the one app" a certain person would pay for, not something everyone likes
Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
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The feature is 100% unique and so is the widget. Not to mention, if you didn't want to pay the $1, I provided a free way to toggle the feature in the utility app. The point is, that there is nothing forcing people to pay for the widget to use the feature. But instead of using the free option provided, they not only pirate the paid app, but edit the artwork and release it for free as their own. It defies logic.
Also, ad based apps don't work with the rooted community. I learned that early on. Myfree utility app is ad supported. With over 40,000 installs you would think it would make even a dollar a day. Nope, makes nearly nothing. That's when I realized that the same niche I was marketing to are the same people who block ads. Even if someone didn't want to block ads, they can't install a single ROM that doesn't include an ad blocking hosts file out of the box.
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[...] How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
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Be sure you're looking at all sides. Yes, you're in a losing war with guys intent on pirating your app. You can't stop them, and well, you goofed on the licensing, so someone will no doubt release the clone.
First of all, don't do the Big Media thing and assume that everybody that pirates your app would have paid for it if it hadn't been available. A lot of folks collect, or just try something once. You'll only work yourself into a funk thinking about all that money you "would" have if only they hadn't been able to pirate it. They wouldn't have. At least not all of them.
More importantly, be aware that placing something out there with value does reach folks that otherwise would have no idea of you or your plight. More than once, I've purchased an app that I don't really need, but found clever and cheap enough I can buy it without thinking about the investment. I've spent more on Android software at $1-15 over the last year than I did over the last 25+ at $30-100 a pop. I've only refunded an app once, by accident.
Finally, be up front about your situation. A guy trying to make do does influence my impulse buying. So does his reputation. If you're doing a lot, be sure that's clear on your app page, and let us know clearly you're the guy that also brought us whatever.
I am curious, though: How much did you actually bring in?
Chad- thanks for telling your story, I agree that you have every right to be disappointed. Especially the buying and refunding, that to me send almost worse because you can't stop dedicated pirating, but I would have hoped the rest would have bought the app.
It's easy to forget the human side of development, so thanks for sharing your side.
Jesus christ Chad. This is f$%&*#@ ridiculous. Probably the best and most generous kernel dev I have ever come into contact with, and people are cheating you out of 1.50. Please don't abandon Android. I need kernels when I get my rezound! but in all seriousness, warez needs to stop.
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Yep. Sucks. After getting serious about android , which wasn't too far in, joining with a nexus one and seeing all the free HARD work we get, I definitely try buying stuff I use. If I can't pay sometimes I will see if dev does something else I can donate to. Its an issue I've thought about and part of it really boils down to how sorry people are in general. They want free and cheap. $1 is laughable even when it can be easily had for free. You really should market yourself a bit even though you don't want to. And people should really put a complimentary $5 or so budget a month or more and try to support devs. Maybe if you have something he gave free but has an app you won't use for a buck, buy the dollar app and uninstall after the 15 minute period. Or throw him a 5 through PayPal or something. Its simple really. If these devs don't have to resort to ramen and water they keep dev'ing especially for the community supporting him or her. And if they're eating vegetables and have plenty of red bull money it gives them wings. Otoh, the devs that make us pay to reinstall an app after we bought it on another or lost our phone suck. Balls. Won't buys theirs anymore.
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Maybe you should implement a system like some developers do where you download the app for free with a time limited trail, then they would go to another website to pay for the app to unlock it, and the unlock codes would be unique for every user which would minimize piracy.
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I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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In the Netherlands we have prepaid Visa card.
Works well.
Maybe you google something similar in your own country.
(3V prepaid Visa cards)
That does suck but if someone wants to pirate an app even licencing doesn't stop them as there is an app that apparently patches licence checks.
It is so easy for even a non root and new user to find cracked apps, I have seen links on here and even on peoples facebook sites, it's got to the point where people can just browse a webpage and click a link to get the cracked version of an app.
Unfortunately if someone wants to crack it they can. Unless you could implement your own security check somehow, something obfuscated in the code, licencing is the only alternative as it would stop people using backed up cancelled versions at least.
Unfortunately it seems a lot of people just don't want to pay for apps.
Dave
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also have to look at both sides. some people just refuse to pay for **** whatever it is, or get it as cheaply as they can. being android apps, the free route is how they're going to go. but the other side, you hsould be grateful for all the people that do pay. they're the ones helping keeping google, open source, android and everything in between chugging along. open source is the future and you can tell every corporation i said that. and thanks for you your work even though i've never used it.
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Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
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There is plenty to disagree with in your post as it all seems like an attempt at rationalizing ways to get around the system. This last statement is a ridiculous attempt at summarizing why stealing is OK. Your morals don't define the crime, the law does. Stealing property, physical or intellectual, is not legal and not right regardless of your morals or lack of.
Chad,
I am sorry to hear of your products' abuse. I used your kernels all the time on my Incredible devices and bought IncrediControl to support development. I have purchased many applications just to support development and believe that is the way to get high quality applications.
Piracy is just so damn easy on Android. I know ppl that are doing it who I wouldn't even expect to be doing such a thing. This guy I know love android only because he can get everything free by just googling the apk.
awww thats sad i feel really bad for you!
I've used pre paid visa debit cards to buy apps. You can find them in Any money shop like Cheque cashing places for example. You can even just stick a dicky diver (£5) on them. Perfect for situations like this
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looking for some keylogger apps for android (galaxy note) which can run under stealth mode.
lots of result can be found on google but all dead link, any suggestion?
Suggestions? Yeah, don't spy on your girlfriend
yeah..
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Suggestions? Yeah, don't spy on your girlfriend
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Yeah a phone is not primarily meant to be used by other people.. So whats the point of spying yourself? unless you install it on your phone and let others use it so you can get their info and everything..
why do you need it?
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may be easier to find a new girlfriend at Google.
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looking for some keylogger apps for android (galaxy note) which can run under stealth mode.
lots of result can be found on google but all dead link, any suggestion?
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How much would you trust a random keylogger found on google? It would be easy for someone with malicious intents to include a malware in that keylogger that would send everything on a server or pastebin.
It's not a good thing to spy on people, even using your phone, and it may be illegal in some states/countries, but your best bet would be to make one all by yourself, using a keyboard application template.
for sure it's being used to catch cheating spouse, keylog mainly use to gather info and evidence before we getting divorce.
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for sure it's being used to catch cheating spouse, keylog mainly use to gather info and evidence before we getting divorce.
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for that just check phone bill, you can see numbers and times somewhere, no need for keylogger for that.
anyway if in relationship with no trust, its not good anyways...
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Gary. Sorry you need it dude. Like others have said its a very dodgy thing to get. Unless it's from an A1 source you will have your bank details etc ripped.
I'd go the other way. Look for a call recording app, that can be set to record all calls, then use the setting in apps to hide it.
I got a recording app that picks up both sides but is not automatic. I'm sure there is one if you look.
As with both these methods in some States its illegal, &can get you in deep dodo ...
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Yes, call lists don't mean anything, she may cantact with her best girlfriend or work partner. Knowing the chat logs will really know what she has done behind you.
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Good time to reply
I think if you need a keylogger youre enfringing a persons privacy. How would you feel if someone uses that on you?
if there is doubt, there is no doubt, a relationship without trust is like a house build on quicksand
it will also not prove anything in court, cause it illegal
Not every one will think for others
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I think if you need a keylogger youre enfringing a persons privacy. How would you feel if someone uses that on you?
if there is doubt, there is no doubt, a relationship without trust is like a house build on quicksand
it will also not prove anything in court, cause it illegal
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I can't agree with you more, but one thing, not every one will think for others.
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I can't agree with you more, but one thing, not every one will think for others.
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Yes, now most forum users just provide the related-answer to the OP, won't think such kind of moral or law issues too much. I saw a lot of users offered iKeyMonitor android spy app for Samsung, which seems very famous in this field, but I don't think it is a good tool in catching a cheating spouse. The relationship can be broken up by using the tools. ikeymonitor.com
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looking for some keylogger apps for android (galaxy note) which can run under stealth mode.
lots of result can be found on google but all dead link, any suggestion?
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Your requirement is very easy to meet because there are so many keylogger apps online now! is one of the most powerful keyloggers that you can trust. , it is downloaded for free, just see it by yourself, I don't plan to post an ad to you.
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Well
There was MobileSpy, but they operated under U.S. law, lost a case and notified all users they were being monitored and shared whatever data they had on the "installer" with the recipient. Mspy looks like it's going to go the same way soon. Assuming it's for legal purposes I would use the "new" A1 Keylogger is cool, they have always been offshore, been around since 2009 and the stuff works on Android, PC and pretty much everything. They are under a new name now, but it's the same developer.
We use some of their stuff as a network monitor, you can monitor 10 PC's in your office in one dashboard. So it makes an affordable monitor for those not big enough to have a server closet.
iKeyMonitor don't work...Stops logging and sending notifications for no reason
Keylogger is the best tactic for keeping your company record safe from hackers . By installing it in your PC may leads with many advantages such as you can monitor all the works done by the user from your computer because this software will track all the records in every single seconds.
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always someone out there trying to get something for free, hacking and nulling your apk's ... what is the best ways to prevent it for good?
anyone ?
Simple. Dont publish it. People will always find a way to crack it
Wayne Tech S-III
zelendel said:
Simple. Dont publish it. People will always find a way to crack it
Wayne Tech S-III
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I been contacting the down stream ip providers and within 48hrs the sites get dropped off
zelendel said:
Simple. Dont publish it. People will always find a way to crack it
Wayne Tech S-III
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Not true. Make your app authenticate against a server then serve the assets needed by your app. Force your users to update their apps if a new version is available. In fact I would even build an app with all its functionality built in files served remotely every time.
There are more aggressive methods with permissions. Some gullible users will install anything, even apps that read their SMS.
So yes, you can protect your app. The question is: is it worth the time you will spend developing the protection? And even if it is, will you charge just pennies for it? or will you charge $150 for it like this one but nobody will ever buy it?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobilesigma.mobilesqlservermanager
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Not true. Make your app authenticate against a server then serve the assets needed by your app. Force your users to update their apps if a new version is available. In fact I would even build an app with all its functionality built in files served remotely every time.
There are more aggressive methods with permissions. Some gullible users will install anything, even apps that read their SMS.
So yes, you can protect your app. The question is: is it worth the time you will spend developing the protection? And even if it is, will you charge just pennies for it? or will you charge $150 for it like this one but nobody will ever buy it?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobilesigma.mobilesqlservermanager
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thanks im forwarding this to the dev ..
I am not a developer, while I seem to have more knowledge than the daily user, I do not have the knowledge base to attempt the project that I am curious about. I work for a local tow company as AAA tow truck driver. AAA has provided all its contract stations with an android device that runs an app that is basically a native interface for a web based portal for dispatching the calls. To make a long story short if I were to log into the web interface from my E4GT I can view the dispatched calls ok and the office seems to be able to track me ok, but the native app on the AAA device seems to be able to update statuses while the web interface doesn't seem to actually send the information. I got a hold of the native app apk file and it installed ok, however it asks for a user name that the web interface does not ask for. I assume that this is to prevent people (like me ) from installing on devices that weren't approved by AAA. I was wondering if perhaps there was a way to modify the program to skip this step and allow me to move right in to the log in. If anyone can point me in the direction of someone who may be able to undertake this project for me, I know several people who would rather use their own devices than the AAA device which we are held financially responsible for if it ever is broken or lost. If I were able to run it on my device I could toss their device in a drawer where it will stay safe until I need to return it. Please help. I included the .apk file if anyone is interested in giving this a go.
The likelihood is that modifying this original app in any way works break the law.
AAA obviously paid for the app to be developed and they will own the rights to it.
I suspect that your request breaks the rules of XDA.
The app was downloaded fire free with no copyright permissions agreed to at this location. (I tried to post a link but I guess in too new, I have it tho if you need evidence] therefore I would assume no laws were broken. That web page is the web based program and allows you to download the app without agreeing to anything.
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Mark1537 said:
The app was downloaded fire free with no copyright permissions agreed to at this location. (I tried to post a link but I guess in too new, I have it tho if you need evidence] therefore I would assume no laws were broken. That web page is the web based program and allows you to download the app without agreeing to anything.p
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You can post a link by sticking it in as clear text, with no 'http://' if you really need to.
Just because you are able to download it for free doesn't mean there are no inherent copyright and licences - you will often find them as part of the installation procedure.
OK here's the link. d3me.ersace.com/d3me/htmls/index.jsp
The AAA servers have been having issues over the last couple days so the website seems to be down right now. It actually has been making with really tough because all or calls are being dispatched late and customers aren't happy. But there were no permissions on the installation either. It installed fast and asked for a user ID that I'm assuming belongs to someone in their tech dept. That's all.
After that it should go straight to the contract station and driver log in.
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The website is up again. Feel free to check it out. I've been trying to get a hold of someone from AAA to talk about getting me a log on, but I have no response. I can't see how they could object to me using software that they want me to use. I just don't want to risk the device that they are holding me responsible for. Aside from the fact that I don't want to carry multiple devices around. I don't want to break any laws, but there doesn't seen to be any restrictions on this particular app.
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The website is up again. Feel free to check it out. I've been trying to get a hold of someone from AAA to talk about getting me a log on, but I have no response. I can't see how they could object to me using software that they want me to use. I just don't want to risk the device that they are holding me responsible for. Aside from the fact that I don't want to carry multiple devices around. I don't want to break any laws, but there doesn't seen to be any restrictions on this particular app.
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The website seems to be back down again, at least as far as I can tell.
I just checked it this moment. And it's up.
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I just checked it this moment. And it's up.
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Yeah, just discovered that it's an https:// not an http:// link
By pressing ACCEPT, you agree not to use this application while operating a motor vehicle, and agree to the other limitations with respect to the use of this application as described in the accompanying materials.
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That would be implicit to the software as well, so I would assume that the 'accompanying materials' probably includes their restrictions of use.
Regardless, I can't see you getting anywhere without the username and password. I reckon that social engineering is likely to be more successful than hacking the app, but I may be proved wrong.
I'm finally getting some response from AAA, it was a handbook given during the training for the software. I have read through it and an struggling to find anything regarding the licensing or copyright infringement. I don't deny the ethical gray area that I am standing in, I am just trying to make my working life easier. If I can accomplish the task through the proper means by acquiring a log in of my own I will do that, I was just wondering if the same results could be achieved through alternative means.
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I'm finally getting some response from AAA, it was a handbook given during the training for the software. I have read through it and an struggling to find anything regarding the licensing or copyright infringement. I don't deny the ethical gray area that I am standing in, I am just trying to make my working life easier. If I can accomplish the task through the proper means by acquiring a log in of my own I will do that, I was just wondering if the same results could be achieved through alternative means.
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Hi I know this is a little old but my station just up graded to the tablets also so I am in the same boat now and was wondering if you where able to get any further with this
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Hi I know this is a little old but my station just up graded to the tablets also so I am in the same boat now and was wondering if you where able to get any further with this
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Noboy was willing to help either here or at AAA, however; if you are a reliable driver that doesn't need to be tracked everywhere that you go, justmake sure that your dispatch tells you when they send you a call and the web link will work. It will even track you if you leave it runnng. But there is no alert sound. So if dispatch just sends calls and doesn't tell you, its no good. Luckily I have been able to just deal with it for now. I'm extra careful with their device, and hopefully nothing will happen. But the tablets...... that sems pricey.
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Noboy was willing to help either here or at AAA, however; if you are a reliable driver that doesn't need to be tracked everywhere that you go, justmake sure that your dispatch tells you when they send you a call and the web link will work. It will even track you if you leave it runnng. But there is no alert sound. So if dispatch just sends calls and doesn't tell you, its no good. Luckily I have been able to just deal with it for now. I'm extra careful with their device, and hopefully nothing will happen. But the tablets...... that sems pricey.
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To say "Noboy was willing to help either here or..." is rather unfair. Nobody here would have any benefit from modifying the application to do what you wished, even if they did want to get involved in the legal gray area, and you can't exactly expect a developer to simply spend hours or days taking an app apart in the hope of modifying it when there is no real reason for them to do so.
Your best bet always was, and still is, to go back to AAA and ask them. If enough of the drivers start doing so they may consider allowing installation on a different device - although they may demand the device by sent to them first for the installation so they can pre-enter the required log-on information.
not an insult.
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To say "Noboy was willing to help either here or..." is rather unfair. Nobody here would have any benefit from modifying the application to do what you wished, even if they did want to get involved in the legal gray area, and you can't exactly expect a developer to simply spend hours or days taking an app apart in the hope of modifying it when there is no real reason for them to do so.
Your best bet always was, and still is, to go back to AAA and ask them. If enough of the drivers start doing so they may consider allowing installation on a different device - although they may demand the device by sent to them first for the installation so they can pre-enter the required log-on information.
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My post was not meant as an insult, just a statement of fact. I always aknowledged the legal gray area, and more than understand why nobody would get involved. I guess I was hoping somebody might point me in the right direc,tion to accomplish the task on my own. I have since given up the task as I have stated already, and continue to utilize the various recources this site provides. I'm sorry you were offended, but once agan, it was not an insult. Have a nice day.
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Guys i know this is kinda a dead post but AAA locks the tablet to go to the one website only.. that is when you click on the "app" on the tablet, it is just opening the web page. its your shop number, password, truck id and user id.. no install needed.
If you install this on your own device (only some clubs allow "bring your own device") you need to enter the location url for your particular club usually http://spp.aaa.com/d3me*** where the *'s are your club number. Then you have to have an application username which is simply a password that gives you access rights to install the application. You will never see this on a club owned device like a cell phone or tablet provided by the club you are contracted for because it is preinstalled. So as "simple" as stated that is all you need on a club device but if you are trying to install on your device (which likely runs much faster and better anyway) then you need a club that allows BYOD to get the application installer password. (And no I wont post the installer password!)