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We've got a bunch of great ROMs out and many are ICS themed. And ICS seems like a bigger update for phones than it does for tablets anyway. So then, what do you hope for in an ICS release for our Transformers (besides for CM9 )?
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spell check...
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Amen, spellcheck would be wonderful.
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I know I'm asking too much but would love 1080p recording and playback.
I also hope they fix the hdmi panasonic plasma issue fixed here by clemsyns kernel.
new style, new features, new market,
maybe faster and optimized.
but most for a browser which is fast, has no keyboard input lag, and handles the dock well with german language
Most important to me:
1) Fix conection to Panasonic plasma via HDMI
2) Create folders on home screen without any launcher
how about no crashes... my browser will close without FC message on random pages.
what i am most looking forward to it is coming out and these anticpation threads drying up!!
That some apps that block HC will now be supported.
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what i am most looking forward to it is coming out and these anticpation threads drying up!!
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I second that. I got sick and tired of hearing about ICS back in September, and I was really fired up in July,
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This isn't really an anticipation thread. I was genuinely curious as to what people are looking out for because it doesn't seem like ICS will bring very much change to what we currently have.
I have read that ICS will finally bring cisco ipsec to android which i am eagerly awaiting.
I am also hoping the javascript engine on the browser will be improved to make browsing better and quicker.
other than that i just want some more RTS games to be released for android.
Gpu support...
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I think the browser in ICS is getting an update on v8, but idk how well it will improve on our systems.
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This isn't really an anticipation thread. I was genuinely curious as to what people are looking out for because it doesn't seem like ICS will bring very much change to what we currently have.
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Point is, there has been enough ranting and raving and I want it last frakking year syndrome around here, to make some people sick of ice cream sandwiches, which is sadness.
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I'm looking forward to a significantly faster browser (according to early reports), and the ability to kill tasks without needing to install a third-party app to do so. (Now we just need a way to prevent tasks being automatically killed when not in the foreground.)
I want a browser without keyboard lag.
the keyboard lag, is that when characters with accents pop out of nowhere?
I think it may have to do with the rendering or something. Opera Mobile seems to basically stick in a native widget, usually looks wrong but works; the stock browser otoh seems to do it like a desktop browser would.
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justPorter said:
I have read that ICS will finally bring cisco ipsec to android which i am eagerly awaiting.
I am also hoping the javascript engine on the browser will be improved to make browsing better and quicker.
other than that i just want some more RTS games to be released for android.
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Lol.. What is "cisco ipsec"... What is "RTS"? I'm just happy to get on the internet
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everything you guys said. But really im just an update junkie...
Paul (or anyone who knows)...
How close are you to a Beta version of your ICS port for the OG Transformer?
I think you have done more than anyone in trying to get this stable before Asus releases their version, and definitely offer a way to get Root on the TF101 ICS.
I really just wanted to start a thread that would allow for Version updates to your port, where people can see a status from the developer himself!
Thanks!
Jeff
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"I've donated to Paul...Have you??"
It's probably close. What's supposed to work, works.
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If you are a gamer stay clear for awhile yet or atleast till official comes and devs can kang some parts
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How close is Paul Burton to Beta?
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Well, I reflect on that often. I think I've developed a lot in my 22 years and am certainly close to feature complete. There have been a few big changes in the past couple years of life that make me a little nervous to apply the beta tag just yet, but it's close.
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How close are you to a Beta version of your ICS port for the OG Transformer?
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Oh right, the ROM. Beta is a blurry line, I may not even use it and just keep incrementally improving it until it feels like RC time (and when I say RC I mean a build I actually consider suitable for final release, not the linux "release candidate but we'd never actually consider releasing this" terminology). I think once I get libsensors & libcamera written the hardware support will all be there at least in a basic form and then polishing and fixing smaller things will improve it quickly. I'm hesitant to put a timescale on it - I can't spend the time of a full time job on this and the time I do spend on it is a little sporadic. I'd hope to have sensors working within the next week or so, if that helps. I'm also planning to look at doing OTA updates of some sort now that it's basically usable for common tasks (for some people), to keep people updated easier and perhaps lighten the load on my web host by doing deltas.
I apologise for the terrible joke above...
Without access to the full source code for the drivers, any ROM based off of generic Android will never be Beta or better...
Paul's ICS port is from the standard Google ASOP tree, with lashed in binaries from other sources. What Asus deliver will be built for the specific platform.
There is a HUGE difference.
My experience of Paul's ICS was quite good, the biggest gripe for me, was the REALLY choppy sound playback, which was a deal-breaker for me, and I went back to honeycomb.
im not to sure about the binaries just being ported in i think paul is writting a whole lot of his own stuff, i could be wrong tho. i read a txt where he talked about writting his own drivers for everything cuz asus code is sloppy, he said he would prefer write his own than just plug in binaries.
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Without access to the full source code for the drivers, any ROM based off of generic Android will never be Beta or better...
Paul's ICS port is from the standard Google ASOP tree, with lashed in binaries from other sources. What Asus deliver will be built for the specific platform.
There is a HUGE difference.
My experience of Paul's ICS was quite good, the biggest gripe for me, was the REALLY choppy sound playback, which was a deal-breaker for me, and I went back to honeycomb.
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Umm, with all due respect - you're wrong. Asus aren't necessary. The only things remaining as binaries are the graphics drivers and they're from nvidia.
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Umm, with all due respect - you're wrong. Asus aren't necessary. The only things remaining as binaries are the graphics drivers and they're from nvidia.
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So Asus have released the sources for ICS Wifi, Bluetooth, Audio, Camera and sensor drivers?
That's news to me, or are using using the honeycomb sources and patching them up with sticking plasters to work with ICS?
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So Asus have released the sources for ICS Wifi, Bluetooth, Audio, Camera and sensor drivers?
That's news to me, or are using using the honeycomb sources and patching them up with sticking plasters to work with ICS?
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No they haven't. What I'm saying is that they don't need to - I can just write them myself. Some of those are open anyway (wifi, bluetooth) and don't come from asus. Little asus addons like setting up the MAC address are easy to reverse engineer and rewrite (and MAC for example is done like that). libaudio I've already written but obviously there's a bug in the buffer management somewhere which causes the skips, and input still needs doing. libsensors won't be too much work, and libcamera shouldn't be huge either.
People outside of asus can write code too
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No they haven't. What I'm saying is that they don't need to - I can just write them myself. Some of those are open anyway (wifi, bluetooth) and don't come from asus. Little asus addons like setting up the MAC address are easy to reverse engineer and rewrite (and MAC for example is done like that). libaudio I've already written but obviously there's a bug in the buffer management somewhere which causes the skips, and input still needs doing. libsensors won't be too much work, and libcamera shouldn't be huge either.
People outside of asus can write code too
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Paul Burton, serving up wanton coding justice to non-believers like it ain't no thang.
Keep up the good work, but I do think you need to assign a cool name to this project.
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Well, I reflect on that often. I think I've developed a lot in my 22 years and am certainly close to feature complete. There have been a few big changes in the past couple years of life that make me a little nervous to apply the beta tag just yet, but it's close.
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Too funny, lol. Keep up the good work, and thanks for the posts. Always informative.
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Well, I reflect on that often. I think I've developed a lot in my 22 years and am certainly close to feature complete. There have been a few big changes in the past couple years of life that make me a little nervous to apply the beta tag just yet, but it's close.
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LMAO a good dev with a great sense of humor! Or great dev with good sense of humor, I can't tell which
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Well, I reflect on that often. I think I've developed a lot in my 22 years and am certainly close to feature complete. There have been a few big changes in the past couple years of life that make me a little nervous to apply the beta tag just yet, but it's close.
I apologise for the terrible joke above...
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Don't apolgize, that's what i call the so famous british humour . Please keep developping and joking that way Sir Burton.
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Awesome! !!!
You sir need a TARDIS. That was Brilliant.
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No they haven't. What I'm saying is that they don't need to - I can just write them myself. Some of those are open anyway (wifi, bluetooth) and don't come from asus. Little asus addons like setting up the MAC address are easy to reverse engineer and rewrite (and MAC for example is done like that). libaudio I've already written but obviously there's a bug in the buffer management somewhere which causes the skips, and input still needs doing. libsensors won't be too much work, and libcamera shouldn't be huge either.
People outside of asus can write code too
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Just a side note (and I'm not I repeat not complaing about this thread) for those who are asking for updates (nobody asked for updates here) about Paul's releases you should find them when they appear. It does not make it easier for him to complete them if he has to answer a zillion posts about when it will be ready (still not complaining) for release. Think about this...... he could be watching tv or going to the pub or doing stuff that he really needs to do like school (still not complaining) instead of coding.
Again I would like to emphasize that I am not complaining about this.
Oh and Paul how were your exams?
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Dreamboxuser said:
Just a side note (and I'm not I repeat not complaing about this thread) for those who are asking for updates (nobody asked for updates here) about Paul's releases you should find them when they appear. It does not make it easier for him to complete them if he has to answer a zillion posts about when it will be ready (still not complaining) for release. Think about this...... he could be watching tv or going to the pub or doing stuff that he really needs to do like school (still not complaining) instead of coding.
Again I would like to emphasize that I am not complaining about this.
Oh and Paul how were your exams?
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It's true, my life contains things other than writing this ROM. Fortunately for you guys I don't own a TV
Exams went well thanks, all are above 70% (so 1st class) and the one I thought went horribly turns out to be my best grade. Odd
What kind of student are you, Paul?
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What kind of student are you, Paul?
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Read his profile.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4421777
Hey Paul,
Just wanting to keep everyone up to date...
Could you give us a status of what still is not working with your latest release Spark?
Now that you have a name for your rom, and have replaced the original warning with your new one, would you say this release is usable for most things?
Thanks a ton for your work...who needs Asus, we got Paul !!
Hey guys. Just got the Infinity. Physically the device is great. Love it. Noticed after loading a couple of apps (not many) that the tablet seems a bit laggy going from program to program and screen to screen. And even some app crashes. Ran pretty smooth on initial use as they always do. It shouldn't be laggy at all with the specs. Could I have an app that's not written for a tablet causing a problem? Memory issue? Or anyway to check that this thing is running like it should? I would think it would be smooth as glass. Not overly concerned but just a bit. I've only had it for two days so just generating some dialog. I hate to jump to a "return it" attitude as the next one I get may have another issue or do the same thing.
Also it seems most programs aren't written yet to see the "microSD" card and treat the internal "scdard" as an external. Went through this with my Galaxy S3. Here we go again!
no lag on mines. i downloaded a couple of torrents last night and still was able to do other things without hiccups.
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You're probably new to this forum?
This is a known I/O issue on this device. Everyone has it, one way or another.
Currently there are speculations that it is due to SW and not HW, so it will be fixed eventually.
Try turning off wi-fi or wait for some time for the tablet to settle down after heavy downloading and installing.
It should get better.
But, as soon as you are downloading something or copying and such ... and when you try to do other things in parallel ... the tablet will get laggy again.
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You're probably new to this forum?
This is a known I/O issue on this device. Everyone has it, one way or another.
Currently there are speculations that it is due to SW and not HW, so it will be fixed eventually.
Try turning off wi-fi or wait for some time for the tablet to settle down after heavy downloading and installing.
It should get better.
But, as soon as you are downloading something or copying and such ... and when you try to do other things in parallel ... the tablet will get laggy again.
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Yes i am new to this device and this section of the forum. Thanks for the info. Glad to know it's probably SW and not hardware as this is frustrating. Is fast then bogs down quick. Maybe a custom ROM to fix this soon.
Mine was pretty laggy too and earlier today I did a cold boot and it's helped quite a bit... Find the other post in this forum about Gmail crashing and there is a link to tell u how to do it.. Hope it helps
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Tried the tablet the whole day with new apps, loading archives, extracted 600mb while watching youtube in HD, no problems yet. But I only have a few apps installed yet.
Only thing I saw is when the tablet switches from landscape to portrait, the wallpaper jumps from the left side to the right and gets then finally centered. A bit annoying.
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Mine was pretty laggy too and earlier today I did a cold boot and it's helped quite a bit... Find the other post in this forum about Gmail crashing and there is a link to tell u how to do it.. Hope it helps
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Glad to hear (sorta) that it's happening to others as it denotes a software issue and not hardware. Hard to tell sometimes. I would certainly want to return it if there was a memory or CPU issue but obviously don't want to go through that hassle if I don't have to. Went up to BB today and they didn't have the Infinity but did have a Prime. The Prime was fast and I asked the salesguy (who claimed to know all about the tablets) to see if mine seemed laggy to him. He said it looked great but it also was not connected to wifi. It did seem to run faster without wifi. Starting to lead me to believe that the radio firmware is not perfected and when connected or connected to a poor wifi source it slows.
When I got my Galaxy S3 it was a little laggy even with a custom ROM until I connected in anther state to LTE and the phone was smooth as butter. Wifi performance does seem to affect the entire use of the phone/tablets quite a bit.
Not apps to blame but android 4.1, for poor optimization
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we dont have 4.1 atm.
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Mine was pretty laggy too and earlier today I did a cold boot and it's helped quite a bit... Find the other post in this forum about Gmail crashing and there is a link to tell u how to do it.. Hope it helps
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Not apps to blame but android 4.1, for poor optimization
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paysen said:
we dont have 4.1 atm.
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Maybe JB will fix some of this. It's supposed to be smooth. That is whenever we get it.
Prime users have been reporting big improvement with JB. Since ASUS likes to use the same NAND across all its tablets, it should help us out as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1795005
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Prime users have been reporting big improvement with JB. Since ASUS likes to use the same NAND across all its tablets, it should help us out as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1795005
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Thanks for the info. This gives me hope. Hey I'll be in SFO this weekend. Can't wait to stroll around downtown amongst the homeless and do some photography.
Mine was laggy as all get out for the first day. Especially while installing apps. Since then it seems to have settled in. Kinda like when you flash a new ROM and it takes a day or two before starting to act right. I was admittedly a bit concerned at first I've I've been on the edge of my seat awaiting for this device, but I'm really happy with it now.
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Prime users have been reporting big improvement with JB. Since ASUS likes to use the same NAND across all its tablets, it should help us out as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1795005
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Mine was laggy as all get out for the first day. Especially while installing apps. Since then it seems to have settled in. Kinda like when you flash a new ROM and it takes a day or two before starting to act right. I was admittedly a bit concerned at first I've I've been on the edge of my seat awaiting for this device, but I'm really happy with it now.
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This is good to know. Thanks. I did a hard reset and it helped a bit. Still laggy and the wireless is not stellar but as long as it's not the hardware I'm ok with it as JB is coming and custom ROMS. I do appreciate the feedback. Thanks. :good:
BTW: How are things in Fayette-nam? I used to fly in there a lot.
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This is good to know. Thanks. I did a hard reset and it helped a bit. Still laggy and the wireless is not stellar but as long as it's not the hardware I'm ok with it as JB is coming and custom ROMS. I do appreciate the feedback. Thanks. :good:
BTW: How are things in Fayette-nam? I used to fly in there a lot.
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The hardware seems to be rock solid, JB or just some updates will likely iron out a vast majority of it's problems. Keep in mind we're all early adopters, these sorts of things are to be expected. Fayetteville is...well it's Fayetteville.
Jettubby said:
This is good to know. Thanks. I did a hard reset and it helped a bit. Still laggy and the wireless is not stellar but as long as it's not the hardware I'm ok with it as JB is coming and custom ROMS. I do appreciate the feedback. Thanks. :good:
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I've applied the scheduler change, most of the build.prop tweaks and the minfree modifications from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1758160
Overall it seems more responsive. The tcp buffer changes in build.prop helped a LOT with wifi performance. went from buffering streamed 720p movies to almost being able to handle a pretty high bitrate 1080p movie.
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I've applied the scheduler change, most of the build.prop tweaks and the minfree modifications from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1758160
Overall it seems more responsive. The tcp buffer changes in build.prop helped a LOT with wifi performance. went from buffering streamed 720p movies to almost being able to handle a pretty high bitrate 1080p movie.
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I just got the device so I need to start reading up on rooting and doing some tweaks. I guess it's a good time to root it. If there are problems I am still within my time to return it.
The new firmware should solve a lot of these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800593&page=2
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The new firmware should solve a lot of these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800593&page=2
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Where are they getting this update? I'm currently on US 9.4.5.21 and there is no OTA update and the latest on Asus' site is 9.4.5.22
Try updating to .22 manually and then check for OTA updates in the system settings.
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Finally got my registration code for the Chameleon Beta - was so excited to try it out - but it simply crashes as soon as I run it... Tried rebooting, re-installing, etc - no go.
Anyone else able to run it on their TF700?
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Hey!
I've got my chameleon today, too. It didn't crash but it was not responding for some time (pressed Wait) and it went through.
Pretty dissapointed i must say. Can't really consider this a beta release. More like alpha
It is VERY slow. Some parts are clearly not optimized for infinity. Weather widget doesn't scale correctly. Mail only shows unread mail, and as i am considered a mail ninja, i pretty much don't see anything there (i have my inbox cleaned and read). I am not interested in Instagram, Twitter, so other currently available widgets are not of any use for me.
Anyway, I really hope it gets better with further releases, specially for tablets with high resolution.
Currently, in a state as is, can't beat my Apex launcher, or any other for that matter.
Can you post some visuals (screenshot)?
Hey,
I have just tried to snap some screens, but I do not have nerves for this. It is just too slow.
Before I am able to add an account and such, I can run around my house, make a coffe and maybe smoke one...
I don't know, maybe there's something wrong with my current environment, which is kinda bloated right now, but Apex runs buttery smooth, so i don't think so. The funny thing is, transitions from one screen to another, scrolling inside widget (tried only one and weather), app drawer - they are really smooth - but adding a widget - OMG. I can't do it, sorry.
Maybe with next release or if someone else has more luck or patience.
I would *love* to try this, but no matter what I do, it just crashes instantly.
Are you rooted? Unlocked? Just trying to figure out what I can't get it to run at all...
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Rooted, but not unlocked.
To those who have it running but report that it's really slow: have you tried forcing 2D hardware rendering?
I imagine due to the resolution of the TF700 display, anything not coded to use hardware rendering will be impossible to run at any usable speed.
OK, I have tried your suggestion.
It gets a bit better, but when it comes to the keyboard and typing, still too slow.
They said they will update app every week, so i hope we'll get some better builds soon.
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OK, I have tried your suggestion.
It gets a bit better, but when it comes to the keyboard and typing, still too slow.
They said they will update app every week, so i hope we'll get some better builds soon.
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Just curious - are you on .26 firmware or a previous version? I was reading a review and they said that it quit working after they upgraded to .26 firmware. Just curious what version you were running....
Thanks.
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Yes, the latest one - .26
Pretty sure they'll fix it sooner than later
I have it running. Yes is slow, i use force hw 2d, but is not impossible to play with. Impossible as a daily launcher to, unless you want to feel like your in matrix bullet time...
Lack of widgets is also a shame for a beta, but those that are there work as id hoped!
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If memory serves, they closed their kickstart and reopened it because of someone leaving the company or whatever. Is that kickstart still open? I wouldn't mind kickin some money over to be part of the alph/beta/prerelease, whatever they want to call this mess. I really like the direction they are trying to go with this.
You can still be able to get prelase from their website. It costs 10CAD though. Not sure how much it was when in kickstart phase.
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If memory serves, they closed their kickstart and reopened it because of someone leaving the company or whatever. Is that kickstart still open? I wouldn't mind kickin some money over to be part of the alph/beta/prerelease, whatever they want to call this mess. I really like the direction they are trying to go with this.
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Excellent, will take a look at it, I do appreciate it.
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Excellent, will take a look at it, I do appreciate it.
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Be forewarned - it won't run at all for me with .26 (and I read another reviewer who had the same issues with it on .26). Keep your expectations low!!
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I was a Kickstarter supporter, and I also received my "Golden Ticket" yesterday. Installed it on my Infinity and started playing around with it. First, as everyone states, there are precious few widgets at the moment - News, Weather, Gmail, Twitter (can't remember if there are any others). News has a limited number of sources, none of which I regularly read. Weather is OK, but you can get that in a million different ways at the moment. Gmail shows unread only. I don't use Twitter - I have an account, but no desire.
Performance-wise, it is slow but then this is an early beta. There is just no way this could be used at the moment for your launcher. How you edit the panels you put on the screen is not intuitive - I found myself going back to some of their demo videos to try to figure out how they were doing things. I tried to set up a time-change screen, but the event was never triggered so the screen never changed.
I am happy to see a released version, but I would have been far happier to have waited for something a little more fully-realized. At the moment, there is no published API or anything which might allow me to look at developing a widget of my own (yes, I know it is a beta, but when you are a small company, you might want to get other developers on your side enhancing your product). This may be a month or two away from establishing a base level of functionality that would make it a lower end competitor of other launchers.
I like where this appears to be going, but I wish they would have waited on the release until there is substance. I will check back in on Chameleon in a few weeks, but I am not sure when or even if this might be ready for actual use.
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I would *love* to try this, but no matter what I do, it just crashes instantly.
Are you rooted? Unlocked? Just trying to figure out what I can't get it to run at all...
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The Chameleon team has stated that this is a known bug and what you have to do is simply reboot your tablet, if that does not work then uninstall the app, reboot, re-install and activate and then reboot again.
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I was a Kickstarter supporter, and I also received my "Golden Ticket" yesterday. Installed it on my Infinity and started playing around with it. First, as everyone states, there are precious few widgets at the moment - News, Weather, Gmail, Twitter (can't remember if there are any others). News has a limited number of sources, none of which I regularly read. Weather is OK, but you can get that in a million different ways at the moment. Gmail shows unread only. I don't use Twitter - I have an account, but no desire.
Performance-wise, it is slow but then this is an early beta. There is just no way this could be used at the moment for your launcher. How you edit the panels you put on the screen is not intuitive - I found myself going back to some of their demo videos to try to figure out how they were doing things. I tried to set up a time-change screen, but the event was never triggered so the screen never changed.
I am happy to see a released version, but I would have been far happier to have waited for something a little more fully-realized. At the moment, there is no published API or anything which might allow me to look at developing a widget of my own (yes, I know it is a beta, but when you are a small company, you might want to get other developers on your side enhancing your product). This may be a month or two away from establishing a base level of functionality that would make it a lower end competitor of other launchers.
I like where this appears to be going, but I wish they would have waited on the release until there is substance. I will check back in on Chameleon in a few weeks, but I am not sure when or even if this might be ready for actual use.
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you do know that this is a PRE-Beta and not a Beta. Tekinson states clearly that is a very very very buggy version. There will be a API when its Beta and also this version is a trimmed down version none the less. If you watch the videos you will see that they have more widgets and more options then our build. Basically they want to test their launcher on every device out there.. and what better way then to have the community that wants the launcher test it for them and give them their own feedback.
I think its genius personally.
Cherokee4Life said:
The Chameleon team has stated that this is a known bug and what you have to do is simply reboot your tablet, if that does not work then uninstall the app, reboot, re-install and activate and then reboot again.
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you do know that this is a PRE-Beta and not a Beta. Tekinson states clearly that is a very very very buggy version. There will be a API when its Beta and also this version is a trimmed down version none the less. If you watch the videos you will see that they have more widgets and more options then our build. Basically they want to test their launcher on every device out there.. and what better way then to have the community that wants the launcher test it for them and give them their own feedback.
I think its genius personally.
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I agree 1000%. This app has amazing potential and I am sure that once beta, and then the official final release comes out, we will see a big difference. It pisses me off that so many people don't read the info, and have been giving a low star rating in GPlay.
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The Chameleon team has stated that this is a known bug and what you have to do is simply reboot your tablet, if that does not work then uninstall the app, reboot, re-install and activate and then reboot again.
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Hmm, I just tried those things and it still crashes instantly... Do you have a link to where this is discussed - I'd like to read through it myself.
Obviously, it's not a huge deal (not big enough to make me restore to factory defaults and try again), since it's really not ready for "daily" use, but I still would like to at least try it out on my TF700....
Thanks!
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jtrosky said:
Hmm, I just tried those things and it still crashes instantly... Do you have a link to where this is discussed - I'd like to read through it myself.
Obviously, it's not a huge deal (not big enough to make me restore to factory defaults and try again), since it's really not ready for "daily" use, but I still would like to at least try it out on my TF700....
Thanks!
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I'm on .26 and rooted and unlocked. If you reboot and turn on "Use 2D hardware acceleration in applications" in the developer options, it should work. I was having the same problem until I did this.
I'm curious how come there are still no AOSP or CM derived ROM's for the Note II that used Cornerstone. It would provide the same features offered by Samsung's own multi-window implementation in touch-wizz.
I've seen several ROM using this on the ASUS tablets.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about , Cornerstone is an open source framework and launcher that offers multi-window support for AOSP and CM based ROMs. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
Source code here : https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
Corner stone had issues with Google iirc because some apps don't behave well with it an resulting in bad ratings on the play store.. So cornerstone was blamed I haven't seen much progress on it since then..
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I'm curious how come there are still no AOSP or CM derived ROM's for the Note II that used Cornerstone. It would provide the same features offered by Samsung's own multi-window implementation in touch-wizz.
I've seen several ROM using this on the ASUS tablets.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about , Cornerstone is an open source framework and launcher that offers multi-window support for AOSP and CM based ROMs. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
Source code here : https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
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Cornerstone would cause CM to break the Android CTS. Knowingly breaking the Android CTS is a no-no for CM maintainers. (As to PIE - my opinion is that should never have been merged for that reason.)
Samsung worked around this by whitelisting a small subset of apps with the permission of the app developers - as big as CM is, I don't think we'd be able to get app developers to cooperate in this manner, and the end result is the effort to try and integrate Cornerstone just isn't worth it if it can only be used with a small handful of apps.
I'm not talking about official CM as I am aware of the issue it had with the CTS. I was referring to our ROM devs that make custom unofficial builds of AOSP , CM , AOKP and so on.
@Entropy512, I was curious how PIE made its way to CM. Surely there mustve been some debates regarding it. Could you please, if its possible, share some insight as to what points went against it, and in the end what was it that clinched it in favor of adding the feature?
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@Entropy512, I was curious how PIE made its way to CM. Surely there mustve been some debates regarding it. Could you please, if its possible, share some insight as to what points went against it, and in the end what was it that clinched it in favor of adding the feature?
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Much of that is private... I would prefer not to go into detail on it.
What I will say is it was highly controversial and a number of people (including myself) still think it should be reverted if it can't be made not to break the CTS. (There was discussions of possible ways to make it less breaky, such as removing edge/top triggers.)
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Corner stone had issues with Google iirc because some apps don't behave well with it an resulting in bad ratings on the play store.. So cornerstone was blamed I haven't seen much progress on it since then..
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Isn't this just like Samsung's Multi-Window? When I flashed the mod that added all apps to Multi-Window, I found that some apps just don't work that well with it- it doesn't stop me from using it, but I've changed the way that I use Multi-Window. If we could adopt that kind of mentality perhaps we could use Cornerstone... What kind of reported bad activity was happening with Cornerstone?
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Isn't this just like Samsung's Multi-Window? When I flashed the mod that added all apps to Multi-Window, I found that some apps just don't work that well with it- it doesn't stop me from using it, but I've changed the way that I use Multi-Window. If we could adopt that kind of mentality perhaps we could use Cornerstone... What kind of reported bad activity was happening with Cornerstone?
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Samsung's multi-window only works with certain applications that have been tested to work well with it. Anything not whitelisted won't work with multiwindow.
And NO - CM will NOT implement a "whitelist everything" hack like some people here have.
So since any app that gets used with Cornerstone would have to be approved by its author for use with Cornerstone, it then becomes an issue of - too much effort for too little reward. (There were, as I understand it, also some issues with Cornerstone's maintainability in the long-term, but the primary reason was application compatibility issues.)
I use multi window with every app (except games of course) and it is a breeze to use. Apps resize themselves very nicely. For me it is pure bliss to be able to have plume running side by side with tapatalk and use pop up browser for links. My dish anywhere app also works great with it as well. How can there be app compatibility issues if there are android phones with many dif size screens out there, basically the same issue no? The htc chacha had a 2.6 inch screen yet was google play certified. Thats not even half our screen size.
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In the end one Dev can build it.. Get 2 - 300 DL then users move on and the interest fades away I personally been there done that.. Not for corner stone in particular but the idea is dev are building what they wish to run in their device .. Maintaining it becomes lots of effort for minimal results/interest..
Android is moving so fast great things get left behind all the time..
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This is reminiscent of the times when webpages slowly started adapting to multiple devices, and thus was born the concept of responsive designs.
Previously they were built as per a definite CSS structure (Fixed-960 Grid it was called) But with analytics pointing to more and more variety in viewports, designers were forced to re-think their strategy towards responsive structures.
There were many who had a penchant dislike for it though. Creativity - they argued - suffered a lot at the hands of flexibility. Not many would know, but the introduction of responsive designs was ALSO one of the major reasons for the demise of flash-based websites.
So again, it boils down to how things pan out in the near future. If something similar comes along the way with regards to multi window development, and the demand/advantages far outweigh the difficulties in adapting code - I see no reason why the project could be back on track.
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I use multi window with every app (except games of course) and it is a breeze to use. Apps resize themselves very nicely. For me it is pure bliss to be able to have plume running side by side with tapatalk and use pop up browser for links. My dish anywhere app also works great with it as well. How can there be app compatibility issues if there are android phones with many dif size screens out there, basically the same issue no? The htc chacha had a 2.6 inch screen yet was google play certified. Thats not even half our screen size.
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Yeah, but the screen size NEVER CHANGED.
It's changes in aspect ratio and dimensions that can do really bad things - and in some cases, the Play Store (I believe) can actually serve up different APKs depending on the device.
With any normal device, the app knows, from the beginning, what environment it will be running in. With multiwindow - it can have its environment changed out from under it.
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Yeah, but the screen size NEVER CHANGED.
It's changes in aspect ratio and dimensions that can do really bad things - and in some cases, the Play Store (I believe) can actually serve up different APKs depending on the device.
With any normal device, the app knows, from the beginning, what environment it will be running in. With multiwindow - it can have its environment changed out from under it.
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the play store cannot let you have different apk for same app but it can let a developer upload app com.app.xhdpi
and com.app.hdpi (technically separate apps) and let the developer make the first one visible only to large devices
and the later one visible to smaller ones. an xhdpi phone will never be able to install the hdpi app and vice versa