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Hey guys I was meandering through the forum reading up on the root progress, and I read about a member's idea and work on an automated root, I just want to say that from a dedicated member to the inc forum I am disappointed in the flaming and garbage that all you "experienced" devs are throwing at the people who haven't used adb before... Come on guys if you can't be kind why say something, you know? They won't learn if somebody is discouraging them from even trying... So just a thought, be kind because discouragement is not what these forums are about guys.
Peace to all you silly android fans out there and happy rooting!
People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
It has nothing to do with being rude or polite... The root process is very crude at the moment, recovery is not fully functional and You really can't back up if you fubar your phone... There is a very strong possibility of making a paper weight with the current method ... Just be patient I hear unrEVOked is working on root which won't come out until a solid recovery is running
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Here is a link for anyone needing adb help. i made a post in a thread with links to help users learn adb and understand it. i understand the being new and needing help. the link in the post are the links i used to learn adb and everything with it.
Will go directly to my post with links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12255365&postcount=27
I agree with the OP...it was just the attitude of some of them that was the issue. Very rude and condescending. I do agree that right now it's a crude root method and that without a solid working recovery it's not advisable for anyone but the experienced. BUT that is no reason to denigrate those that want a one click solution down the line when things are solid.
When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
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The above post is correct. Don't let anyone discourage you. We were all new to this at one point, and I don't think there is a single one of us that did not get an impolite comment directed towards a valid question at some point during the learning process.
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People are just rude in general. If you say something someone doesn't agree with, they make damn sure you know they disapprove. I took my leave from the INC forums after the iPhone 4 debacle that happened in the general forum. That and someone told me my ROM list was stupid and worthless in a PM...
I concur, I can ADB like I'm typing a paper (I have extensive command line experience) but my gf, who bought her first android phone recently, can hardly turn a computer on.
Long story short, some people don't want to risk breaking their brand spanking new phone just to have more functionality. If an easy, tried and true method presents itself, people will not only flock to it, but they will gladly give money for it (I know I would). Calling someone a noob or making fun of them is counter-productive and will deter all future forward progress here. No one wants to dev for a bunch of ingrates and jerks.
+1 to the OP.
necosino said:
When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
Ditto- I know what I don't know. And I don't know adb.
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I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
magneticzero said:
I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
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I would, respectfully, disagree w/that statement.
IMHO what happens is people get tired of listening to the same questions over and over and over - this is why we have a search button and why google kicks ass too. I think people get snippy after seeing the 8 millionth person come in and ask "what's root" or "what's a ROM".
I'm not sure of the rudeness the OP was mentioning as I haven't seen it in regards to NOOB developers, but from my own personal experience around here I've found this place to be very helpful. I learned all I could about rooting my Eris via google and on another one of the android forums, ultimately a google search landed me here and I took the plunge and rooted and started w/the Kaos ROMS before trying many, many others.
People shouldn't just come in and start asking Q's - they should look around first and when they don't, that's why trouble starts (not here, on ANY forum).
As far as the OP here goes, I haven't read the posts he was talking about, but I can understand why -if somebody was looking for legitimate "how to" info on development and that person was met w/a bunch of crap - they would be frustrated.
I love it here
If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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We also have a chicken and a kraken (sp??) ....
As one of the newer users here, I understand where both sides are coming from. The amount of content here is kind of intimidating for some people, and those who are looking for a "do everything" solution such as one-click root are going to be dissappointed. And then some people are so impatient to root that they'll be pestering people, asking any question that helps them out immediately, not checking for already posted questions, and that's the hand-holding that is being criticized/attacked here.
But I do see where they are coming from. There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
If anything, some of the most important information that needs to be more accessible IMO is the links to the driver/tweaking the driver for the device to be picked up with adb.
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There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
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We all have our moments. I tend to answer the questions first, then include something like if you have to ask this, you're probably not ready to do it on your own yet, or here's your answer, but a simple search would have revealed it.
Google and search are our friends. Most of the "old timers" just get annoyed when people ask something that could have easily been found with either a Google search (set site to xda if only interested in xda responses) or with a forum search (search from main area that covers all subsections, use "show posts" and skim through the results), because the same question has been/asked answered dozens of times already.
All that said, the sub-forum structure across devices is inconsistent, the protocols of where to ask/post isn't consistent, and the search feature in xda absolutely SUCKS. I've always considered myself a pretty good query builder to find what I want quickly, but even I have to run through multiple searches to find what I'm looking for. The 30 second delay between being able to start a new query can be very frustrating, if xda dropped that to 10 seconds or so, it would probably encourage more multiple searches before asking. It's no wonder newer members get frustrated, though many are just too lazy or desperate to take the time to look...
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Alright good to know, thank you
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Russ36363 said:
There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum.
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A Q&A sub-forum would help with this. It helped the Fascinate forum out a lot with the very same issues described in this thread.
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Garrett07 said:
Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I never said they aren't helping, I'm saying that rudeness is not what forum communities need to be based on, its not right that people have to have attitude online, nor in general, people come to forums for help and communication they don't want to get on a thread and see that somebody has posted a reply being rude to their work and or statement, its just something I'd like to see change but it never will
I'm just throwing this out there...So agree if you do or don't if you don't.
Personally, I'm tired of reading various ROM threads and seeing people cry or complain about features that are not included.
If you are using ROM "X" and want the features of ROM "Y", THEN FU**ING USE THE ROM THAT HAS THE FEATURES YOU WANT! Or just learn to code yourself.
There are plenty of tutorials on this site. Enough so, that one could literally build a ROM from scratch if they wanted to.
Granted, I'm no dev by any means...but I don't run around crying about features lost or features gained. Those of you that complain...you have the WORLD at your fingertips. USE THE SEARCH FEATURE! USE GOOGLE!
If I hurt your feelings by posting this, then good. You deserved it. That is all. My asshole moment is now over.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I have been on this site for 2 years. I never really posted much. I spent my time searching and reading the posts. I notice the new trend is to just ask a question without any searching then ***** about the answers you receive. Ok, now I'm done.
Maybe you should name this the Rant Thread, haha.
Agree with tribalartgod
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Agreed. Here's my rant...
Rant no. 1...I am so sick of ppl crying about scratched screens and broken phones. QUIT BEING CHEAP AND BUY SCREEN PROTECTORS AND PROTECTIVE CASES!!! These are smartphones that are easily broken or scratched. These are not the basic flip phone that are more durable. Use common sense and protect your investment! If you break your phone with protection, then you did something so destructive, there was no hope for it anyways.
Rant no. 2...I am so sick of ppl posting....help! I messed up my phone because I'm too lazy to read and research about how to do things PROPERLY! More times than not, if you do your due diligence and research, read, and follow basic instructions, you will find that you will have very little issues, if any. And how about ppl that cut corners and take short cuts to try and save time. Do this, and you will find yourself spending more time troubleshooting issues because you didn't do it properly. Research, read, and follow instructions. Its just as simple as that.
/rant
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Ahhhh that was very refreshing to read. I agree with your rant 100%.
Rant no...3: I have two roms, which one is the best?
There is no such thing as the best one, geez. Just try both of them and see what you like more.
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yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)
I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
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@Thremix... As far as the search thing is concerned, there really should not be any excuse at all. It's a big button that says "Search this Thread", or "Search this forum."
I can't speak for anyone but myself on this... But if you post in the wrong section, or what have you... I personally will tell you the answer if I know it. But in doing so, I also tell you it has already been posted, and provide the link to that thread. If it's in the wrong section, I'll answer you, and tell you it's in the wrong section.
As far as flaming people... Ignorance leads to that. And unfortunately, I am guilty of flaming people before. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. And I too, am guilty of posting in the wrong section sometimes.
Sometimes the categories just aren't specific enough... For example: Themes and Apps... If it is your own work, I feel it should go in the Dev section. that's just me. If it's someone else's, then yes, in the Themes and Apps section.
Scott_S said:
I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
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LMFAO.
Thremix said:
yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)
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No flame, just going to say that 3 of your rants are about the first rule of these here forums.
Forum Rules
Not to mention that that no flaming is the second rule.
While we can politely ask them to search, most time I will tell them to search or read while posting a helpful link.
Now my rant:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant
A real kicker for me is the inability to write a thread title. "Has anyone else noticed?" "Am I the only one?" "HELP" are examples of completely useless thread titles and doesn't explain what you're trying to convey at all.
I'm not exactly the most patient person in the world and my personality comes off fairly blunt but I'm glad to see that quite a few people are annoyed at exactly the same things I am. I'm fairly new to XDA as a whole but these kinds of things go on in pretty much every other forum I've been somewhat active on as well.
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Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
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I'll typically answer it and give a link to another thread that's exactly the same question that I found in 5 seconds using search. Or just simply post a link to the thread and hope that people can figure it out by themselves (which usually isn't the case). But bloody hell, there's been so many "which rom is the best?" threads lately that I've been staying out of General and just sticking to a few select threads under the development section.
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I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant
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As soon as I saw that I KNEW you were in Texas without even looking.
Stupid MF'ing blue laws, if anything should get flamed, it is those.
Even dumber: Why can't I buy a car on Sunday?
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And the more substantive version of my rant...
I actually don't use search as much as I would like, as most of my posts are from the XDA app, not the full site. And there is a significant difference in functionality.
However, instead of posting a new thread for each random question that enters my brain, I'll at least thread-browse and subscribe, reading the entire thread.
The problem is that people just want to be spoon-fed the answers to problems that have, 9 out of 10 times, already been previously encountered...and solved.
They often times seem to have the attitude that XDA is free technical support, here to cater to them. Not. It takes time to answer questions, no one gets paid for it, and having to repeat the same answer to a fresh face multiple times per day gets a little tiresome.
Personally, I *prefer* having information prior to doing something I'm unsure about, it's when there's a lot of slightly different answers to the same question that tempts me to ask for clarification.
Still not enough to break my "0 new threads started," though. I saving that for a special occasion.
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#1- bravo
#2- [email protected]%ing rofl
I can see this being the thread of the year. Whatever was on your mind but you didn't wanna be an asshole and post- let it out.
Edit- and this is what happens when companies like apple have the attitude -'every single one of our users is an utter moron, so we better spoon feed and restrict what they can do'- but they used a one click jailbreak so there super hackers. I'm kinda glad this phone isn't a simple one click root. It makes the users at least READ and research a little so they might start to understand a little what's going on
I'm the kind of person that when I do something, I don't want a step by step tutorial with exactly what buttons to push on the keyboard, I want to know why and what I'm doing when I'm doing it. That's just me though.
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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You have no idea how much I agree with this!
I do tech support for a living... I feel your pain.
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I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
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cdfink08 said:
Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
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I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
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I never realized that people were required to read a thread, let alone reply to it. If someone's thread starts with "I scratched my screen", why bother reading it if you are not interested. I think it is expected to see these type of posts in the General section. If all you want to do is read about developement, there is a section for that. I previously learned to hack the **** of my Windows phone thanks to some very helpful people here at XDA. Despite the fact that I haven't rooted my Inspire, I visit here daily because I have learned to do some other things and about a lot of other things. I'm new to Android. When someone posts about scratching their screen, some helpful guys will come in with recommendations about which brands of screen protectors and cases they use and the pros and cons of them. I like that. I wouldn't expect to see that in the developers section, but I'm ok with it in the General section. As far as the guys that get in trouble when rooting, searching is not as easy as one would assume, especially if in a panic state. When you already know what went wrong it's probably an easy search. For someone that is looking at non functional phone without knowing what the hell went wrong, it might not be as easy. I will probably eventually root, but not until I'm ready. Probably when AT&T refuses to release that Gingerbread upgrade. In the meantime, even reading about the problems noobs run into helps me. As far as what the op posted about different roms, I do agree. Try them out and if the perfect one is not out there for you, suck it up and pick one. I don't post much, but I do like to read and hate to see discouragement towards the noobs and posters that just post general issues or that get into trouble. I'm pretty sure we all started somewheres.
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I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
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Motorola Atrix and HTC Thunderbolt
I mentioned that issue to mr. clown about two months ago, and he said it is up to the admins.
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ok ok i know im new hear but first impressions. i dont fell welcome.
the problem isnt the users hear. they are great..........its the moderators.
all i see is threds less than 24hours old with no replyes are closed. threads that need to be talked about. also threads that where closed for no reason. or some one has made a mistake and rather than fix the problom they just close it.
why are they doing this?
also after meany pleas from alot of users. they still refuse to make an xperia pro (not mini) thread or a sony tablet p thread
we cant "just use the xperia arc or xperia s forums" as they are still verry different when it comes to rooting ect,
this place moderated in the wrong way. this isnt supposed to be a dictatorship
im shore im going to get band for this but it only proves my point
just a few examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642936
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644487
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644233
also they keep crying "USE THE SEARCH".........im sorry but the "search" needs some work in a big way
Welcome.
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so did you just post this trying to make your way to the 10 post rule? im just saying... it looks that way because its just a few pages that your talking about, but any way... i just sign up because i got the HTC one x and android forums dont have people on it yet to help with the AT&T X. but you could always try them out... ive always gotten alot of useful info from AF.
Grow up. XDA is free. Most of us here, including mods, do this for NOTHING, except the occasional press of the thanks button.
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I'm sorry you feel that way dude, but you have to remember that the primary goal of XDA is development. Lot's of friendly people do their best to help the less tech savvy work their way through how to do things, but the primary purpose is to make it as easy as possible for the developers to develop. That means spam needs to be kept to a minimum.
I'm sorry, but that's just the way things are, and the majority of users are ok with this because they see that the results of this Iron Fist is faster and better development for all.
Isn't that video a part of the sign-up process anyway?
I don't believe so, but it should be. And if there was any place to vote on that, I'd vote for it 100%. I really, really believe it would help cut down on threads like these, especially since it has some humor in it and not everyone knows how to use a forum from the get go.
Hmmm.......I think this forum is great....
Half of the threads that are posted in different sections don't belong there. It's annoying seeing "Why is my phone rebooting?" with a very vague description of the problem, in the General section.
That's why most are closed, they're just in the wrong section.
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Go watch 'the video' sparky
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Thread closed. If you have a problem with the moderators, this is not the place to take it up with us.
In an attempt to not step on the lawn, I am going to try and make my first post useful to other noobs, regardless of my own ability level.
I see that others have made a "my first phone" thread in other sections using search, and I did not notice one in this forum yet. I don't know if this post will make it past muster or not, or if it will be the same as other kinds of posts, but the way I see it, it would be rad if I came to xda/htc/attonex and found a post identical to this one, that had started a couple months ago. Alas, time travel isn't available.
My problem is that I am literally experiencing this phone as my first smartphone ever, and I am too ignorant to even know what a good question is. So I find myself with a quandary. On the one hand, I am tech savvy enough to know that my phone is capable of more than at&t/htc wants to let on, and I know that there is this sea of people that know a lot about this stuff. On the other hand, I don't even know what phones can really do, why I would want it to do those things, or how to go about learning the smart and safe way to do those things without fear of "bricking" my new toy.
It's really daunting to look at this forum for a noob. I need some good info on android as well as good info on my phone, and just browsing the forum for the last few days has led me to more questions and more complex questions before I have the basics, and I feel like that's going to get me in trouble here.
If people could do the following in response to this post: point me in the right direction for informative posts/websites/forums/etc on android, specifically basic OS functionality & rooting basics for people who do not understand/use linux; point me to informative beginner oriented (not just reviews or w/e, but basics) posts/websites/forums/etc on the at&t1x, specifically anything that is not on the htc site or the at&t site, which is basically my understanding level right now; if i ask stupid questions about your thought-out posts in here and i totally miss your point, please be patient with me; point me to apps and app stores, I have only used the play store - I know there is more out there, but freaked out about viruses and stuff.
I know I'm asking for a lot of hand-holding, but I promise that after the movie we can make out if you want. I'm not stupid, but I am certainly ignorant about androids. HALP.
YouTube is you friend, there are some great walkthroughs on there. Along with read,read,read. Welcome to XDA, ENJOY your time here, you are off to a very advanced start, great phone choice along with grea first post...the force is strong with this one:thumbup:
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@MichaelHaley
You wouldn't happen to be from Buffalo New York would you?
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What I did when I started was just look at posts and any word or anything at all that I didn't understand i just Googled it. I learned alot like that.
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http://droidlessons.com/
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@MichaelHaley
You wouldn't happen to be from Buffalo New York would you?
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Nope. California.
bradleyG said:
What I did when I started was just look at posts and any word or anything at all that I didn't understand i just Googled it. I learned alot like that.
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I don't have a problem with understanding words, but thanks.
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droidlessons - link which i can not post yet
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This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for, I figure people here would know which ones like this are quality vs. time wasters. This level and slightly above is about where I'm at. Thanks a lot.
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Nope. California.
I don't have a problem with understanding words, but thanks.
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I don't think he meant basic words. But stuff like adb shell. Asop. Root. S off. S on. Just to name a few. If you don't know this basic words, your time here will be a pain.
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I don't think he meant basic words. But stuff like adb shell. Asop. Root. S off. S on. Just to name a few. If you don't know this basic words, your time here will be a pain.
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Lists of useful words and terms are awesome! Thanks! Please add!
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Lists of useful words and terms are awesome! Thanks! Please add!
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You're still missing bradleyG's original point. If there are esoteric terms you don't understand, just Google them. This will help you out:
http://bit.ly/KSfCM7
Boom. That was easy.
Seriously, Google is your friend, as is the XDA search. You're not going to think of a question that hasn't already been answered at length on XDA. Maybe not for the One X, specifically, since the device is so new. But for general Android stuff, just doing a general search using the XDA function, of Googling will probably get you an answer within a few minutes. For that matter, just spend some time browsing through the General, and Q&A forums, and reading the threads that look of interest to you. In no time at all, you'll have some decent working knowledge. The learning curve may look intimidating from where you are. But don't worry, its really not that bad. Seriously, just a few hours of reading on XDA will probably put above the knowledge level of the majority of smartphone owners.
If you are truly stumped after searching and reading on your own, post a question in Q&A. But do your due diligence first. Simple reason for this is that the forum would become useless if it was clogged up by every single question that beginners think up.
And welcome to the club. The One X is a helluva first smartphone.
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You're still missing bradleyG's original point. If there are esoteric terms you don't understand, just Google them. This will help you out:
http://bit.ly/KSfCM7
Boom. That was easy.
Seriously, Google is your friend, as is the XDA search. You're not going to think of a question that hasn't already been answered at length on XDA. Maybe not for the One X, specifically, since the device is so new. But for general Android stuff, just doing a general search using the XDA function, of Googling will probably get you an answer within a few minutes. For that matter, just spend some time browsing through the General, and Q&A forums, and reading the threads that look of interest to you. In no time at all, you'll have some decent working knowledge. The learning curve may look intimidating from where you are. But don't worry, its really not that bad. Seriously, just a few hours of reading on XDA will probably put above the knowledge level of the majority of smartphone owners.
If you are truly stumped after searching and reading on your own, post a question in Q&A. But do your due diligence first. Simple reason for this is that the forum would become useless if it was clogged up by every single question that beginners think up.
And welcome to the club. The One X is a helluva first smartphone.
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Ai ai ai. Thanks for the help dude, but my whole point is that I don't even know enough to know what kinds of questions I should be having. Once I get started, I can use forum searches and google well, so for specific questions I will need very little help. I'm just not coming up with any questions.
Picture me sitting there, staring at the phone, hoping it will do something, looking puzzled when it doesn't, and then start posting links.
I see what you're saying. What you are asking for is really too broad a topic to write a guide or anything like that. As a start, just try looking through the threads in the various forums. Development subforum has mods (modifications) and stuff along those lines. The Themes and Apps subforum will give you some ideas on some cool apps and widgets. You'll quickly get a good idea of what possibilities are out there. And trust me, plenty of specific questions will pop up in your mind soon enough.
Since you are brand new to the smartphone world, apps is a good place to start. Just Google around for best Android apps and see what interests you. Even the Play Store has some issues with malware and other malicious software. But these are usually less popular apps, made by shady software developers. If you read up on best apps at reputable websites like PCMag, Gizmodi, CNET, you shouldn't go wrong. The more popular, tried and true apps tend to be very safe. Lots of the best functionality of smartphones is through apps, so this is a good place to start.
My advice would be to use the device for a while, and see what it can do running stock before you think about rooting and other mods. Unless you are looking at specific mods (removing bloatware or adding back some of the things that AT&T removed like FM radio and flashlight) you probably shouldn't be considering root just yet.
Android Central is a good website with lots of information that you should find interesting if this is your first android device. They have put together a really good android dictionary which is found here: http://www.androidcentral.com/dictionary
They also run an android a to z series on their blog which has a ton of info and goes a little more in depth than just giving definitions.
Enjoy your phone, for a first smart phone you picked a serious winner! There are a few quarks (which are all outlined pretty well in this forum) but for the most part this phone is great.
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What I did when I started was just look at posts and any word or anything at all that I didn't understand i just Googled it. I learned alot like that.
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Cant beat this advice. Read everything, assume your questions has already been asked. The more you read, the more questions you'll have and then the more reading you'll want to do to find the answers. This website is really a PHENOMENAL resource, but I find myself constantly googling terms/comments/procedures that I dont understand. I'm quite technologically inclined but relatively new to the android world and have only been using XDA for a couple months. However, I find myself mostly only posting on very topical threads. For the hardcore technical research and development, I prefer to sit back and just read about the amazing work that the developers are doing. Welcome!
I'll second what everyone else said. I was where you were a few months ago. Though I came from four years on iOS, I was an Android noob. I've been reading and browsing xda and other sites just trying to get my bearings. It's very intimidating at first, but you've just got to start somewhere. Start reading, trying to get the general gist of things before worrying about the exact terminology. Bit by bit things will start sounding familiar, and you'll have some context to start framing your searches. Really, they're not kidding about 99.99% of noob questions being already answered somewhere; you've just got to know the right way to ask.
Just be patient and don't give up. Three weeks into my One X ownership, I'm rooted and gradually getting some confidence in modding my phone. (I was an experienced iOS jailbreaker, but life is different over here in a lot of ways.)
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You're still missing bradleyG's original point. If there are esoteric terms you don't understand, just Google them. This will help you out:
http://bit.ly/KSfCM7
Boom. That was easy.
Seriously, Google is your friend, as is the XDA search. You're not going to think of a question that hasn't already been answered at length on XDA. Maybe not for the One X, specifically, since the device is so new. But for general Android stuff, just doing a general search using the XDA function, of Googling will probably get you an answer within a few minutes. For that matter, just spend some time browsing through the General, and Q&A forums, and reading the threads that look of interest to you. In no time at all, you'll have some decent working knowledge. The learning curve may look intimidating from where you are. But don't worry, its really not that bad. Seriously, just a few hours of reading on XDA will probably put above the knowledge level of the majority of smartphone owners.
If you are truly stumped after searching and reading on your own, post a question in Q&A. But do your due diligence first. Simple reason for this is that the forum would become useless if it was clogged up by every single question that beginners think up.
And welcome to the club. The One X is a helluva first smartphone.
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This is exactly what I meant. There is no all powerful guide that will teach you everything you need to know. It takes time to learn all these things and only diligence will prove to give you what you need. I remember when I first got my g1 I didn't know anything. I started looking for mods/hacks I could do to it and stumbled upon xda. Then I found out about rooting so I looked up stuff about rooting like what are the benefits of it, the risks, and tutorials. Then one thing leads to another rooting leads to ROMs and kernels, kernels lead to overclocking, etc. You'll soon be an expert and have advice to give other people. The more you read, the better. But you will never get to a point where there is nothing new to be learned, you will eventually make a habit of looking up different things after you do it for so long. Just stick with it and you will get the hang of it.
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I see what you're saying. What you are asking for is really too broad a topic to write a guide or anything like that. As a start, just try looking through the threads in the various forums. Development subforum has mods (modifications) and stuff along those lines. The Themes and Apps subforum will give you some ideas on some cool apps and widgets. You'll quickly get a good idea of what possibilities are out there. And trust me, plenty of specific questions will pop up in your mind soon enough.
Since you are brand new to the smartphone world, apps is a good place to start. Just Google around for best Android apps and see what interests you. Even the Play Store has some issues with malware and other malicious software. But these are usually less popular apps, made by shady software developers. If you read up on best apps at reputable websites like PCMag, Gizmodi, CNET, you shouldn't go wrong. The more popular, tried and true apps tend to be very safe. Lots of the best functionality of smartphones is through apps, so this is a good place to start.
My advice would be to use the device for a while, and see what it can do running stock before you think about rooting and other mods. Unless you are looking at specific mods (removing bloatware or adding back some of the things that AT&T removed like FM radio and flashlight) you probably shouldn't be considering root just yet.
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Yes thank you for that, I know that apps are about my speed right now but my sights are set UP!! Hehe. I really was trying to figure out about the flashlight and FM radio already, but couldn't find a setting in the phone. Is that a root thing? I also hate bloat ware, even if i can disable it, i know MOG Radio & AT&T IdiotWare is there, just taking up space, and it bugs the hell out of me! I also want to do things like check out vanilla android so I can know what sense is, but i understand that requires a bootloader? Which I am reading about.. but that seems like some pretty advanced stuff.. I'll get there hopefully.
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Android Central is a good website with lots of information that you should find interesting if this is your first android device. They have put together a really good android dictionary which is found here: http://www.androidcentral.com/dictionary
They also run an android a to z series on their blog which has a ton of info and goes a little more in depth than just giving definitions.
Enjoy your phone, for a first smart phone you picked a serious winner! There are a few quarks (which are all outlined pretty well in this forum) but for the most part this phone is great.
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Yes thank you very much, this is exactly the kind of specific stuff I'm looking for, not that general advice isn't great too!
bradleyG said:
This is exactly what I meant. There is no all powerful guide that will teach you everything you need to know. It takes time to learn all these things and only diligence will prove to give you what you need. I remember when I first got my g1 I didn't know anything. I started looking for mods/hacks I could do to it and stumbled upon xda. Then I found out about rooting so I looked up stuff about rooting like what are the benefits of it, the risks, and tutorials. Then one thing leads to another rooting leads to ROMs and kernels, kernels lead to overclocking, etc. You'll soon be an expert and have advice to give other people. The more you read, the better. But you will never get to a point where there is nothing new to be learned, you will eventually make a habit of looking up different things after you do it for so long. Just stick with it and you will get the hang of it.
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I think I may have come off more adversarial to you than I meant to.. I wasn't trying to minimize what you said.. Of course research is essential, and I plan to not bug you guys with stupid questions as much as possible.. I'm just trying to build a repository of reference for complete noobtards like me here in this thread so it's all in one place. When I have specific questions about terms and things I will of course employ due diligence before I bring that stuff to the community, but like I said, I'm not even there yet..
OK so I have a question that I tried to search for and came up with nil. Every so often, when I run this or that program, or sometimes on start up, some of my icons do one of two things: 1.) they lose the text under the icon, 2.) they lose the text under the icon and the icon turns into the generic android icon.
Wutdo?
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OK so I have a question that I tried to search for and came up with nil. Every so often, when I run this or that program, or sometimes on start up, some of my icons do one of two things: 1.) they lose the text under the icon, 2.) they lose the text under the icon and the icon turns into the generic android icon.
Wutdo?
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Restart/ force close the launcher. Or get a new launcher like go or nova.
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Restart/ force close the launcher. Or get a new launcher like go or nova.
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I feel like a complete tard, but after searching and finding nothing, I can't figure out how to do what you're saying.
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Restart/ force close the launcher. Or get a new launcher like go or nova.
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Is that just like the proper way to say restart the phone?
I love XDA. I learned how to root my first phone and continue to find my ROMs and mods here. I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place. When I first started my rooting experience, I wouldn't have made it without the community here. However, with that being said, I took a lot of flack asking questions in the wrong section or asking questions that were TOO simple. I still see it. Continuously. Worse than before. So, to you, those of whom I speak, I send a msg.
Stop being know-it-alls and dicks and ass holes! YOUR NOT COOL! Talking all big and smart on a forum? Where you'll never see or have physical contact with those you pick on? Yea, there ya go....... Maybe you are cool.......... Hmm? No, your not.
I know this post will go unheeded and I'm sure ill receive the flack myself. I usually just ignore the negativity but I saw a post earlier that really bothered me. I can only imagine the difficulty in keeping this place friendly and my own post may go against my msg, but it had to be said.
P.S. Hey dicks, stop being dicks.
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I'm not trying to be classified as one of the people which you're speaking about, but it is annoying to see things that obviously are in the wrong section. Example, this thread's title is a question, so it should be in the Q&A section.
Another thing is when users ask questions when it has been discussed many times before and they did not use the search feature.
Bottom-line, it's annoying. That's why some people get rude.
EDIT: Now this is my view and opinion on the subject you brought up, don't get angry and start slurring hateful things just because someone sees things differently than you.
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Its the phone I guess. I never saw that many jerks on all the other forums I visited in the past.
Pathetic...
Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Your edit seemed designed to try and bring out anger and slurs. It usually does.
Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. The subject heading is in the form of a question, but this is more of a general discussion. Thats my intent anyway. Again, its opinion and how its expressed is what's important. Also, is it a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
A new user wouldn't be accustomed to the layout and the strict demands of some users. Thats what I consider understandable ignorance.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. Again, its opinion and how its presented. Also, is a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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Your right. I know I'm being naive, but I'm hoping that by posting this, some might see it and take it easy.
The rude things I said, were in the hope that I could draw the angry posters in here and then turn them on to calm discussion. Again, naive, I know. But id like to come on here and read through the posts instead of going straight to the links for my downloads.
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I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Sorry, what I was explaining before was specific to your thread.
You are correct though, if the content within the thread is a question, it should be in the Q&A.
I think most users that post questions in the General section are new, and don't know their way around. Anytime I see a question, I promptly tell them there is a Q&A section, the try to help.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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That's a great point with which I agree.
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This issue comes from people coming here thinking it is a support forum when it is far from that. This is a development forum which means you ARE expected to put in the time to research issues before posting. This seldom happens and people get flamed. While I don't allow people to go off on new people I don't overly blame them. When i joined XDA I knew better then asking a question before I spent at least 2 hours searching and reading. If I did I was flamed to the high heavens and made to feel like I didn't belong. Which of course I didn't. Not until I learned what a development forum was all about.
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'I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place'
Couldn't agree more.
Mods can move threads and people can use the search function, so everyone can contribute to easing this issue.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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Just ignore the question then your not required to answer ..if u have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all ..but I do know how you feel ..either way I still just politely answer their question because if I was in their shoes I'd want someone responding to me politely ..its a forum not a YouTube comment section lol
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Whats pretty odd/annoying is that there always a "I BRICKED MY PHONE!!!!" thread here on General at least once a week. Whats even more annoying is that most of the OP's have common phones (Galaxy series, HTC's and so on) that there is a 90% chance that it has a device forum, Mine doesnt have one, so I havent rooted it yet, But even with these people, I still love XDA forums! (even if im probably the only one that likes Apple)
People here seem to be barely suppressing buttfrustration. Let the butthurt flow through you.
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agree with both sides of the discussion.
however IMO, if you end up replying to a thread saying:
" noob, use the search feature man!!" or "-devs please move/lock thread"
the effort you spent typing out that ****, you could have simply answered the OP's question/help or whatever, am i wrong?
sometimes i see a question from a newbie that basically can be answered in 1 or 2 sentences but instead all i see is "use the search-feature, omg what a noob. do you not see the search button? devs lock thread plz".
yeah i understand if the OP could be trolling and or his post is tl;dr but to reject/flame even the simplest of things is absurd IMO.
Sometimes people do search but get no results.
At least if you're posting using tapatalk that is, have also had this problem using the website interface, as the search feature for xda often has days where it just returns no results and I have to try searching xda using google.
So it is possible some people genuinely did search and yet find nothing and so they post and risk getting picked on for doing so.
However I've only had problems at xda from die hard fanboys (of all platforms), in general most people at xda are very helpful and most rudeness comes from people who think they are superior and forget they were not always so well versed in the use of their preferred platform.
Those who want to be obnoxious will always be that way, but then if you're using a forum you have to expect idiots and not let them get to you so much.
At the end of the day it's just an idiot being big behind a screen and a username to boost their sense of superiority, it's sad they feel the need to do so but those that do will carry on regardless so all that can be done is to see them for who they are and not let them get to you.
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KayxGee1 said:
Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
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I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
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From what I see, the two main questions are always asked in the General section.
1. What phone should I get?
2. Can someone help me with this device?
Those are flat out questions. Even though some maybe have a more broad spectrum of answers that can become a general conversation, it is still a question, regardless of how simplistic the question is.
EDIT: That's just my view I guess. You have a point though, and some topic do start general conversations.
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