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I have a wifi xoom and although it has some great features but the force closes and the non functioning sd card (from the factory) is very annoying. I thought Moto and google would have a fix by now. The force closes make me mad. I have 15 days left to return and will do so if there is not a major update before then. I should have know better than to expect Moto to do anything right.
Here is an quote from an article in the Wall Street Journal about xoom sales.
"Global Equities analyst Trip Chowdry estimates that Motorola Mobility has manufactured between 500,000 and 800,000 Xooms, but has sold only 5 to 15 percent of them.
Best case scenario then, according to Chowdry, is that Motorola has sold 120,000 Xooms; worse case scenario, it’s sold just 25,000. Now, admittedly, that’s a very large range, and one could argue that it makes Chowdry’s estimate largely meaningless. But remember that original forecasts suggested Motorola would sell between 3 and 5 million Xooms this year and earlier this month some analysts were calling for first quarter sales of 300,000.
In other words, even Chowdry’s best case scenario is a worst case scenario. It’s just a bit less ugly."
Personally, I could care less how many have been sold. I love my Xoom and maybe I'm lucky but I haven't faced many of the problems I read about here.
As for SD card support, I'm not bothered by that either. I have no need for a SD card at this time. 32GB is plenty of storage for me.
I'm treating Honeycomb the same way I did with android 1.0. Its basically a new platform and the apps and fixes will come as more tablets hit the market.
I heard all the same jargon in the media after I pre-ordered my G1. Well look at android now.
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Personally, I could care less how many have been sold. I love my Xoom and maybe I'm lucky but I haven't faced many of the problems I read about here.
As for SD card support, I'm not bothered by that either. I have no need for a SD card at this time. 32GB is plenty of storage for me.
I'm treating Honeycomb the same way I did with android 1.0. Its basically a new platform and the apps and fixes will come as more tablets hit the market.
I heard all the same jargon in the media after I pre-ordered my G1. Well look at android now.
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I feel the same way. No announcement was made as to when an update would come. I'm sure everyone knew the SD slot wasn't functioning way before they purchased the device.
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It will be DOA if we keep starting threads like "Is the XOOM DOA" and prospective customers see all these threads in search engines.
Then prospective customers start having unfounded doubts and the XOOM's demise becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
First of all, many of us knew that Xoom won't sell that well. This is because it's new, OS is new, hardware is new, everything about it is new and many people don't want to be lab rats. But with Moto rolling out Xoom on other networks in many countries will help sales. And we will have to wait till Thursday for Motorola to announce their earnings and see how many they sold.
Secondly, I understand the frustration of lacking SD support but I personally don't really care since I never really used my microSD on my N900.
And about force closes, like I said everything about Xoom is new and it was first to the punch. Other honeycomb tabs will have everything working, but Xoom was still first and that what counts.
I would never return mine, I would never even sell mine after Xoom2 arrives. Why? Because it is the first and maybe even one of the only "Pure Google Experience" devices that will be available.
Simple answer. No.
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Google needs to release a big Honeycomb update including one that enables the mircoSD card slot, Motorola needs to lower the price and release 16GB models and more manufactures need to release more tablets which will bring in more tablet apps. If you had your Xoom since day one like I have, you will already see the improvement in the selection of tablet apps. I hope that the microSD card slot is fixed soon though. Watching the new tablets come out with working slots is starting to make the Xoom look abandoned.
Despite this, I love my Xoom and it will get better with time. Who else has a working Barometer by the way? lol
i don't care about the sd card function cause i still have 32GB for my media. however, i have a terrible experience with my xoom's web browser ( even i tried another web browser apps like dophin...)Yes, surfing web is the main point for me to buy this tablet. Web browser is FC a lot (besides, it made my xoom rebooted once), stuck at loading pages (i have to go to app manager=> force close web browser..), Flash doesn't work properly. I never had this terrible experience with my android devices before. I understand that Honeycomb is a new OS, and it will be improved over by next updates but how can't google/motorola/ adobe make sure some basic functions work well before selling their products ?
What would have all the customers who went to buy an ipad2 have done when they got to the store and were told they would have to take a number and wait a month or more? BUY A XOOM!!! This was great timing for Moto to deliver the product but kinda sucks for the consumer at first. However, this is not the first time a company has done this. And as someone laready pointed out, if you have had the Xoom from day one you will have already seen the improvement in the app market. Also remember that the honeycomb source has not been released yet. When that happens you will see things explode here on XDA. So if you have filled up your 32g internal storage, and their just are not enough apps for you at this time and so on........return your Xoom and take a number for the ipad! (it has Netflix out of the box). If you are one of those people who just like to complain, well then I got nothing for you. Otherwise be patient and enjoy what you have. Good things WILL come to our Xoom's!!!
For the record: I have NEVER considered an ipad. And I am very happy with my Xoom!
I just don't get these type of posts. So because you hated the xoom or the wsj says it hasn't sold enough everyone else should go and return their xooms. What should I get an I pad 2? What if I want my websites to work with flash? What if I want actual multitasking? So get an I pad 2 that doesn't even have an SD slot forget when it will be activated.
Anyway, I have been happy with the xoom.
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I just don't get these type of posts. So because you hated the xoom or the wsj says it hasn't sold enough everyone else should go and return their xooms. What should I get an I pad 2? What if I want my websites to work with flash? What if I want actual multitasking? So get an I pad 2 that doesn't even have an SD slot forget when it will be activated.
Anyway, I have been happy with the xoom.
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i don't want to get a lot of FC on my web browser. this is the only thing i complain.
I want the Xoom to work. I do not own a single Apple product. I am not patient enough to wait months for the Xoom and Honeycomb to work. I want to be able to root and load new themes and Myn's Warm Honeycomb but Google has already said they would not release the sources code anytime soon.
If no one is buying the Xoom, the developers will not develop apps and it may never reach the point where it is a commercial success. I will stick with the Xoom if a significant upgrade comes very soon.
Everywhere I go the xoom seems to be sold out and people are constantly asking for it. It may not have that "Apple" demand but people are interested, I love mine, cant wait for some more apps and updates to come out so it will be a beast!
this post is DOA
This is the beauty of Android, It doesn't matter about the Xoom Google will keep developing 3.0 and onward.
with Apple if interest in a new product dips it dies!
Thats why clean OS's like the xoom will always win the day and thats why extra software just slows down development!
there is more sense in nonsense
remember that!
We do need a way to release frustration and these blogs are it. This is a first honeycomb version, effectively a beta. On the other hand, I feel for Motorola, as when that update comes long, they will have to spend millions double handling the already sold Xoom.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Xoom, and I can see its potential.
I am sure one of the reasons people are not buying Xooms is that thay'd rather wait until it is finished, and some more of bugs are squashed (See googles bug tracket) the SD card is one of the lesser problems.
When that happens we will be riding a steeper adoption curve that will scare apple a little.
I found that every store in the st. Louis area that carries the xoom was sold out so I had to order mine from amazon (not a big fan). So its a bit shocking to hear that sales are bad. Maybe they just didn't make enough. Maybe its been selling fine for motorola and its the market that had unrealistic expectations.
In any case, I think as more manufactures produce more honeycomb tablets the momentum will pick up just like what happened with android phones. The g1 did not exactly fly off the self when it was introduced. Hell I didn't which from blackberry until recently.
Some of this is part of being an early adopter. I mine the ipad2 is simiply a scaled up iphone so no surprise that it works well the os has been out for some time. Honeycomb is a much bigger jump for android and therefore the problems
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The crazy amount of FUD surrounding the xoom makes me wonder if there's some propaganda machine in operation.
I don't even think that the problem is the software or bugs. I think the main thing that hurt the Xoom is price. After announcing the price Motorola did not listen to consumers and they stuck with their pricing, which ultimately hurt the success of the xoom. Prime example is the Asus Transformer, they are flying of shelves, not because of the dock as much as the price.
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I found that every store in the st. Louis area that carries the xoom was sold out so I had to order mine from amazon (not a big fan). So its a bit shocking to hear that sales are bad. Maybe they just didn't make enough. Maybe its been selling fine for motorola and its the market that had unrealistic expectations.
In any case, I think as more manufactures produce more honeycomb tablets the momentum will pick up just like what happened with android phones. The g1 did not exactly fly off the self when it was introduced. Hell I didn't which from blackberry until recently.
Some of this is part of being an early adopter. I mine the ipad2 is simiply a scaled up iphone so no surprise that it works well the os has been out for some time. Honeycomb is a much bigger jump for android and therefore the problems
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HC is new, but overall it is still based on android. Why does it have a lot of bugs?
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From what I have seen so far ... stores are sold out, dont have accesories, (which means it is obviously selling out) and in best buy the tablets are with the computers (not with the tablets!), how are people/consumers supposed to know about it and that it is a tablet that is better than the pad when there is a big ipad2 display while the xoom is over by all the laptops and when you ask for it they take you to the zune stuff?
Oh well, and from what i have seen lately, displays are popping up, I have seen more commercials on tv, and now I hope store start stocking it to show it off.. that is the only way to sell it. I think the xoom will do just fine and as it was mentioned earlier in this thread, xoom will not die because android will not die, just wait and see
XOOM FTW!
hello,
first of all, i love follwing the tech and seeing present devices getting better with better softwares.. i own a xoom for 2 months and i really love it.. but -like most of the people here, probably- i believe the software is not fully optimized for the hardware.. in my computers i always used nvidia products, because i believe it did its job very good even when the ati competitors were better on the paper.. so here i am with a tegra 2 SoC and i cant find any game as smooth as ipad games..
now -in addition to my xoom- i was planning to buy a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (one is for my girlfriend, one is for me but mostly to be used together) but when i was making some research, last night i found nvidia ULP and ipad 2 comparisons and could not believe the results.. ipad 2 was 2-6 times faster/better than the motorola xoom.. imeedieatly i downloaded the same tests and i ran them too and ended up with same results unfortunately.. and then i downloaded lots of high quality games and every time i ended between 20-25 FPS.. i think it is not satisfying..
i dont believe apple has the alien technology, i think the software makes the difference.. so i asked myself to questions;
"what do i plan to use my tablet for" and
"what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS comes"???
my expectations from ISC is to bring more optimisation to our devices, i cant say no to new cool feautures but first i want my existing ones to be perfect...
to be honest, i can not answer both questions... i can only answer what i want from a tablet.. and again to be honest i guess i am hungry for performance, even though i do not need it. so in every tests tegra 2 cpu beats a5, and the web pages (the first thing i want my tablet to do professionally) are super faster loading then the ipad2 ... besides i love customizable home screen definition, i love being easy to carry my media from the computer or to the computer with one cable without any software.. and i love being able to connect my hard drive so that i can give up from my laptop once i buy a bluetooth keyboard..
but my second question; what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS here? will iOS5 catch up with android by beating it in CPU and usefullness tests too or will ICS cacth up with the smoothnes and games performance and the promises they gave?
in my country asus transformer, acer iconia a500, ipad 2 16gb, motorola xoom are same prices and samsung galaxy tab is about 40 dollars more expencive in second hands or abroad products.. so i dont care about the price here.. what i am asking is which one is going to better according to your opinion between all these devices? and which one is going to give me more development and more increase in perfection?
i am so confused and every opinion is wellcomed.. i am planning to use it mostly for web browsing as a laptop replecement, gaming, photo and video making/editing/storing and -if possible- using engineering programs like the icircuit in ipad or the autocad in galaxy s (i have it on my galaxy s but i could not run it in tablet)..
so please share) thanks..
okay...
as you are FULLY aware... we are talking apples and oranges here
1. iOS is for people who want something out of the box.. not worried about setting much up and have a billion games... for now atleast (something my grandma would like to be honest)
2. Android OS is far superior with whats under the hood and the customizations and endless tweeking...
my simple answer is... do you want something the same as every other...er... individual (*snickers* - as the ad's would have you believe).. or something that is truly your OWN device
i bet 9 out of 10 people in the xoom forum has something that is entirely unique to the next... i love this aspect... i like having something a little different.. i like to tweek untill i break it or have the best device out there.. 3/4 of the time if there is an app for the iOS there is a better app for android.. for example.. there is only crap remote mouse apps for iOS and yet i have unified remote full for android a masterpiece and i can control nearly every aspect of my computer via a remote with my android devices (yes there is splashtop HD for iOS and android but this is not always a viable solution and trust me i have both)... this is just one example as i cbf putting down the many apps i have that are better (foto tile slideshow - the live wallpaper is another AWESOME app that comes to mind)
last and not least... lets remember software for both devices are going crazy.. however now the tables have turned with android leading the way and iOS playing catch up and ice cream is going to be one hell of an update to which im pretty sure xoom will be compatible =]
i know i may have not 100% been to topic but had to express something (you did say all views were welcome lol)
I agree with the above poster...and will add that no matter what we wish, we will never have the very best, fastest,most bleeding-edge device because once we buy, there will always be something newer, faster, better, etc. IOS gives you what it wants you to have. Android lets you have (or create) what you want.
If you are rooted, with Tiamat Hammerhead Rom and the Tachi oc gpu kernel, and a launcher like ADW Ex, could the Xoom be any smoother?
It does make a difference how hands-on you want to be.
thanks for it.. you have made very good points..
i guess i am trying to look at it as computers.. when i had my desktop it was not a big deal when one of the parts was getting old/slower becuase i was able to change only that one without spending big money... but once that world (both hardware and games) got larger it got harder to follow and find the best one.. so i felt like i was lost between nvidia and ati products.. then i switched to laptops when i became more mobile in daily life and when laptops offered more graphic power.. and i always thought GPU first and the ram 2nd, and the HDD 3rd.. CPU was ok to wait.. because CPU tech is already a lot higher than todays daily process needings..
so with the same feeling i have the same reflex to go for the better GPU one.. i feel like the weaker GPU one is going to get old faster/earlier.. this scares me..
and there is also the untidyness in the android world.. there are hundreds of phones with different specs and only a few of them has the full control of every feauture android can give you.. so when you buy a cheap android phone you are not only lacking some hardware, but also being some short on the software too.. they solved this mostly by making the tegra 2 the center of the tablets and i believe ICS will bring even more tidyness to the world just like apple world.. but i still have my suspicious with ICS, because i have read an opinion here in xda, he says ; ICS is a big development for 2.3 devices not for the 3.x devices.. but i want to believe better drivers will come and help us benefit from our hardware better.. nvidia has done that before when the game crysis was out, they increased the overall performance by %10 for every 8xxx card with a new firmware..
besides i made some research and some experiments; apperiantly this ULP is first defining the need of the FPS and then setting it as a limit to keep the power comsumption low.. so even though it can go faster or produce more FPS it stays in the limit of 28 especially in the desktop while ipad can go with 60 FPS.. i guess this is excatly what makes me jealous.. because i feel like my tablet does not have power to do that...
so basicly, i do not like apple anymore after they sue everyone they see as a thread... but i also believe the complains i made (the belief of the GPU being much more worse than the ipad 2 GPU) scares me.. i put my faith on the new software before, to nokia.. and every time they have given a new software to their "smartphones" they ruined it even more.. so far, in android, everything is just going good.. every new version came with better optimizations and i want to believe it is going to be like this in the future..
i guess my opinions and fears are mostly emotional and coming from my unfortunate experiences.. but i get attached to every device of mine and i want them to be good enough and last long enough .. so i do not want to feel like i am buying something to be old so quick under the shadow of new coming kal-el and already existing apple ipad 2..
Buy a xoom and root it! You have the use of SD card, flash drives, and USB hdd's. My wife looked at the options and realized she takes photos and needs access to her camera and to her hdd she uses to store those photos. Not one other tablet can do what the xoom can do! Sure it has some flaws, but at the same time it has less of those flaws than any tablet I have tested so far. My Logitech wireless mouse works, and every other device I have at my house. One cable to do it all, not several diff things like the tab 10.1. You want a custom PC, then here it is!
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Maybe you should just be prepared to buy and sell whatever you no longer want so you can buy something new.Unfortunately none of us, except e.mote can tell the future.
I guess your points are valid considering alot if the economic uncertainty.. However one must argue that the ipad in all its glory is not a technological advancement.. Think about it.. U can do some neat things yet you cant replace a desktop with it.. Yet the Android comes so close it can almost blur the line entirely.. You can also try and get a windows 7 tab for cheaper as i was looking at these but i weighed up the usefulness and the tech side in me and now people watch me screw around with the xoom on the train and how individualistic it is and then my phone is a new avenue for full customization.. Sure they are not for all and its funny to watch the smartest people i know fumble with such a device and stick to apple babble like its the be all and get slugged a premium its great to see the sheep follow =]
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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essentially... when do u want a device... NOW or NEVER?.. there is always going to be a newer better device in the future... why did you buy your phone when u did when there are better phones out now or the future... same with your computer... same crap... if you wait for the next one you will never have anything and never enjoy the benefits of such a device... personally im happy to have a device for 12 months maybe less and grab the next newest bit... because someone else in my family will benefit form the older software and i continue with the newest gadget
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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^^ exactly... this is my second tablet in less than a year and just the difference between froyo and honeycomb is astounding... i did my research before buying this tab.. in fact from my first experience i didn't want another tab at all... i despise apple products on general principle (not relevant but yeh) so it took alot of research and convincing about another tab.... i was going to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 yet upon buying it at auction i came across the xoom.. and viewed the true capabilities and noted that the galaxy tab is just a android iOS device and the xoom is a true android device and something that can fulfill my experimental side..
Just buy the iPad 2.
2 great tablets, no one needs to persuade you to use android.
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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huh, why would anyone who doesn't own any android products would even register on this site in the first place?
hammer4203 said:
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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i am only fan of people who develope, share, help and moreover ask to themselves and try to answer what they are doing with their devices and what they are planning to add to this in the future.. i am not fan of companies..
i know myself, i did this mistake before; i saw the 60 FPS shiny world of the iphone and when i was most bored with my lag-crazy nokia i swicthed to it (3gs) and found myself trying to buy a perfect book page by page and i was not able to choose the chapters..
when i had iphone i tried to customize the hardware limitations, unfortunately it was impossible.. then i tried to make things easier (like tried to get rid of itunes) that failed too.. and after 2 months i realised my little shiny and so called super optimized phone was lagging, this was when i learned iOS was able to lag too..
then after another failing nokia symbian update experience i tried android with galaxy s.. and that world my friend, became my addiction..
however; when i was making surfing throuh other forum sites i ran into some opinions and fears. they have become my fears too.. now i am making a summary of them in very short sentences, so i believe i will make myself more clear;
first thing like i said i always believed in every mobile device the GPU gets older first.. so, especially in my laptops i always tried to choose the better GPU over te CPU or the other specs.. and one day i was reading reviews about tegra 2 potential but then i saw ipad 2 was -sometimes- up to 5 times faster than it in graphic tests... that made me scared..
the second thing; i am fully aware of that our hardware is as valuable as its software and nokia failed me about it again and again.. one day, i found an web page which says ICS will make the performance 1.8 times better.. i assume (i want to assume) this is mostly graphic performance because CPU performance is already the best but i thing nvidia drivers needs to be optimized.. so the best thing is to wait for ICS and then decide about how android-tablet worlds growing bigger and success.. but, on the other hand, we are waiting for the tomorrows technology with yesterdays device.. this is my second fear, because i heard the quad core products are being released in this fall.. i am scared of being outdated even before i can enjoy the full performance of my xoom..
i have just shared these two fears and then realised apple owners did not have them.. so i asked here if apple is better at them.. it was not an "should i buy apple or android" topic.. but if people said "tegra 2 and honeycomb are temprory and will be history together soon and the real devices are the quad-core ones" i would go for an ipad 2 (maybe) for 6-9 months and then go back to android..
and not to forget; in my years, i have forgatten lots of device i used with their good or bad sides but i have never forgatten the people i shared knowledge and experience with.. and i am a fan of them..
I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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thank you.. i have narrowed down the equation to samsung tab 10.1 vs xoom .. i am trying to choose between them now.. i saw samurai 2 vengence and some other games and know i am so sure it is good enough as a toy too..
None of the tegra games seem to work right on honeycomb. I do like scrabble from ea. And cordy is kinda fun. Played one of the sniper games and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the games you have to buy and I just haven't found a good one I like. I wish halo reach could be done. Then I would be set!
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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Very well said--great points.
Hello all,
I don't know why but, recently all I have read from this forum is "how bad Infinity TF700 is" or "how he/she decided to switch Samsung/Ipad etc. over Infinity". I don't know, it just makes me feel more and more paranoid about my tablet.
I know this sounds quite naive, but is there anyone who feels the same way?
You're not alone. I'm very dissappointed with the quality and performance that 600 dollars got me. Not to mention the poor quality of dock (pivot so stiff it would've broken my screen and partially attached SD card cable) that cost me another 116 bucks. Hopefully they're taking their time releasing Jelly Bean update so that things get fixed correctly and not do a half-a$$ed job
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Hello all,
I don't know why but, recently all I have read from this forum is "how bad Infinity TF700 is" or "how he/she decided to switch Samsung/Ipad etc. over Infinity". I don't know, it just makes me feel more and more paranoid about my tablet.
I know this sounds quite naive, but is there anyone who feels the same way?
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If you have a working unit, and whatever you do is covered and you are happy with it, I think you shouldn't be concerned about.
It's just simply no device is perfect and that's always the case with technology. So we all have to compromise something and sometimes the compromise is not noticeable as you may not even use those functions.
Infinity has gorgeous screen, attachable keyboard, and ASUS's reputation of quick software update. Though I myself left Infinity (at least for now), there are still people like me coming back to this forum as we still liked infinity in many aspect and hoping the issues we faced get fixed (presumably by software).
Personally, jumping from iPad 2 and Galaxy Tablet 10.1 4G, I noticed gorgeous screen of infinity quickly. Then some application launching much faster than my old Galaxy Tablet. But battery life, frequent ANR, much slower browser load time (this was actually fixed most part after applying d's tweaking tip), and unexpected crashes.
But to be honest, if I didn't use my primarily Flash sites, if I didn't need full day battery (without keyboard), I probably wouldn't even noticed any issue of infinity.
I currently have Galaxy Note 10.1. Is it perfect? No. Everything but FHD I say yes. But FHD is such a huge component because I read many ebooks with detailed pictures... So I am still torn.
Again, nothing is perfect. You just need to put a priority of what's important to you. With future updates, Infinity will get better not worse, so that's promising. But I wouldn't count on saying, with JB update everything will be perfect.
I personally love mine, and would recommend it to others. Not to suggest that there are no issues, but I'd be willing to bet that the silent majority of people are just getting along and enjoying their device and not posting here.
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Hello all,
I don't know why but, recently all I have read from this forum is "how bad Infinity TF700 is" or "how he/she decided to switch Samsung/Ipad etc. over Infinity". I don't know, it just makes me feel more and more paranoid about my tablet.
I know this sounds quite naive, but is there anyone who feels the same way?
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I've been enjoying my TF700 Infinity more and more as I've seen the performance improve with the Zeus custom rom, so I don't let the complaints get me down. Many people are just wondering what is normal for the device, and some are just looking for assistance. I think it's to be expected with a new device, especially one so complex. The same thing happened with the Nexus 7 forum...for the first month or so, all you would read would be the most pitiful complaints, people on their 7th Nexus 7, light bleed, lifting screens and dead pixels, slow development, and then, all of a sudden, the Nexus 7 is everyone's darling.
If you love your Infinity, enjoy it. You're an early adopter, so there are always risks with something new that pushes bounderies.
Personally I love my TF700. Use it all the time. Love the battery life with the dock (practically always together). I am just waiting for some custom ROMs, or preferably a dualboot for Linux/Android.
Maybe i'm not a stickler when it comes to the "defects", but I am satisfied that the tablet works, has an amazing screen, gives me amazing battery life, has a true keyboard dock (not BT), and a USB port, among other things. I look at the positive things, and since none of the "defects" really take away from the performance, I don't have much to complain about. (on top of that, I haven't even installed Zeus v4, still stock, and I hear that will make a world of a difference.)
Just my $0.02
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Just think about the zabillion Infinity people who have never heard of XDA or any other android device web review site that are happily tapping and swiping away with big 'ole smiles across their mugs.
All of us on here just love torturing ourselves with Ooooo my battery only lasted 7.34 hours or I dang I noticed my tab weighs a few micro kilograms more than my last one...
I know if I keep scoping mine I'll find something...only then will I be mad but happy I noticed something
is this the first time you ever read a forum? look at any forum - literally any forum about any application/device in existence... there's always someone complaining about something.
your shiny new touch device gets fingerprints on the screen when you touch it with dirty hands? the speakers sound crappy when you try to play music at absurdly high volumes? you opened 10 games and the device feels slow? people can actually beat you in a game? the meat you bought 2 months ago is rotten? the device you damaged yourself is not replaced for free?
it's always the same vocal minority that HAS to complain about something, no matter how unimportant or stupid it is.
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I personally love mine, and would recommend it to others. Not to suggest that there are no issues, but I'd be willing to bet that the silent majority of people are just getting along and enjoying their device and not posting here.
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Same here, mine is great. I have none of the issues that users complain about frequently. Only thing is that yes, it does tend to lag, but then again, it is the most powerful tegra 3 so its just a software issue i'm sure asus will fix
I feel awkward about ASUS, they are behaving very slow with the Infinity.
Back when the Transformer Prime was their most current Android tablet we saw biweekly almost weekly firmware updates for the tablet.
It gave us Prime owners the sense that ASUS was actively working to make sure it's customers were getting the best experience.
I've had my Infinity tablet for over a month now since I did the Best Buy exchange, and I haven't seen a single firmware OTA from ASUS.
There's ICS features that the Transformer Prime received in updates that are lacking in the Transformer Pad Infinity.
ASUS spread themselves too thin with the Prime, TF300, Nexus 7, and TF700. They've completely neglected their premium Android tablet products.
We saw the same crap on the Prime forums as well. Funny thing is, I have 2 Primes and 2 Infinity tabs and both work just fine.
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is this the first time you ever read a forum? look at any forum - literally any forum about any application/device in existence... there's always someone complaining about something.
your shiny new touch device gets fingerprints on the screen when you touch it with dirty hands? the speakers sound crappy when you try to play music at absurdly high volumes? you opened 10 games and the device feels slow? people can actually beat you in a game? the meat you bought 2 months ago is rotten? the device you damaged yourself is not replaced for free?
it's always the same vocal minority that HAS to complain about something, no matter how unimportant or stupid it is.
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Why so angry man, just calm down. This is general section of the forum and i just wanted yo ask a bout a feeling that i perceive. Did not mean to make people angry, sorry again.
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I feel awkward about ASUS, they are behaving very slow with the Infinity.
Back when the Transformer Prime was their most current Android tablet we saw biweekly almost weekly firmware updates for the tablet.
It gave us Prime owners the sense that ASUS was actively working to make sure it's customers were getting the best experience.
I've had my Infinity tablet for over a month now since I did the Best Buy exchange, and I haven't seen a single firmware OTA from ASUS.
There's ICS features that the Transformer Prime received in updates that are lacking in the Transformer Pad Infinity.
ASUS spread themselves too thin with the Prime, TF300, Nexus 7, and TF700. They've completely neglected their premium Android tablet products.
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You sure the lack of updates doesn't mean that something big, like JB, is coming soon? I'm pretty sure that ASUS would not waste the time and money implementing features on the TF700's ICS if JB were already near completion.
Also, for the prime, the updates mainly served to fix issues, which we don't have on the infinity.
I feel you, I went through the same thing with the prime. I agree the Infinity is not perfect but for me I have a functional one that runs quite well. Don't kid yourself if you think the iPad and the Note don't have issues. Good luck with your decision.
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Why so angry man, just calm down. This is general section of the forum and i just wanted yo ask a bout a feeling that i perceive. Did not mean to make people angry, sorry again.
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Aww...I don't think anyone is mad...
Grain of salt.
Had a thot tho.
I wonder if the TF700T was implemented early to rush the market and beat Samsung and Acer with their new tabs?
Especially the A700 which I don't believe weathered it's hardware bugs too well.
I have a feeling the Infinity was built for Android 4.1...yet does fine with ICS.
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Lets be real..lol Infinity has or has had most of same software issues as prime had. Games crashing. Tons of threads here on it. Browser issues. Poor I/O performance. Primes updates were released to add new features and address those things. Infinity pad also had update to address a major issue. Which is I/O performance. It did show a minor to decent improvement but wasn't solved. So its not all peaches n cream over here in Infinity forum either.
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like you said, Asus not likely wasting anymore time on ICS. If jb is that close, no need to waste resources on ICS. So lets all hope it brings the true stability Infinity pad and Prime deserves. Along with new features and any further improvements that can be made, software wise, to better I/O performance. Also get the gaming rigght. No reason my nexus 7 can play any game flawlessly without crashing and the infinity pad and prime can't. I don't need to have any mods or limiting processes or custom roms for my N7 high performance and stability. I have a feeling the real power and performance will be seen on Prime and Infinity pad once JB is released.
Plus I also believe more people who have good working infinity pads should post/male threads and let people know. New people coming Imto forum get scaredoff from so many complaint threads. We know alot of infinity owners have issues. BUT the flipsode is that ALOT have great working units also. There needs to Be a balance being represented. People do have valid complaints but people also have genuine praises for this device also.
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Plus I also believe more people who have good working infinity pads should post/male threads and let people know. New people coming Imto forum get scaredoff from so many complaint threads. We know alot of infinity owners have issues. BUT the flipsode is that ALOT have great working units also. There needs to Be a balance being represented. People do have valid complaints but people also have genuine praises for this device also.
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We are too busy enjoying them to post on a forum!
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New people coming Imto forum get scaredoff from so many complaint threads. We know alot of infinity owners have issues. BUT the flipsode is that ALOT have great working units also. There needs to Be a balance being represented. People do have valid complaints but people also have genuine praises for this device also.
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One of the best things the mods on the Prime forum did was to make a dedicated complaints thread. Basically, if you wanted to ***** about your Prime, get it off your chest in that thread otherwise your thread is closed. I think this forum would really benefit from that because this continual posting of negative threads is getting really BORING for people like me who are happy with their Infinitys. Sure, people have a right to complain but why not dump it all in one thread??
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Lets be real..lol Infinity has or has had most of same software issues as prime had. Games crashing. Tons of threads here on it. Browser issues. Poor I/O performance. Primes updates were released to add new features and address those things. Infinity pad also had update to address a major issue. Which is I/O performance. It did show a minor to decent improvement but wasn't solved. So its not all peaches n cream over here in Infinity forum either.
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like you said, Asus not likely wasting anymore time on ICS. If jb is that close, no need to waste resources on ICS. So lets all hope it brings the true stability Infinity pad and Prime deserves. Along with new features and any further improvements that can be made, software wise, to better I/O performance. Also get the gaming rigght. No reason my nexus 7 can play any game flawlessly without crashing and the infinity pad and prime can't. I don't need to have any mods or limiting processes or custom roms for my N7 high performance and stability. I have a feeling the real power and performance will be seen on Prime and Infinity pad once JB is released.
Plus I also believe more people who have good working infinity pads should post/male threads and let people know. New people coming Imto forum get scaredoff from so many complaint threads. We know alot of infinity owners have issues. BUT the flipsode is that ALOT have great working units also. There needs to Be a balance being represented. People do have valid complaints but people also have genuine praises for this device also.
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The main problems with the prime were wifi and gps issues. Most of the updates were toward those two things, and not toward the other issues you mentioned.
I disagree about your other point, that people should let others know. I believe that people should stop making threads that bash and keep to the threads that already exist. It doesn't do good to look like a marketing shill, either for or against the tablet, no matter the truth of anyone's statements.
Most of the "infinity sucks" posts are from the SAME PEOPLE. Most of these detractors claim to have already sold/returned their Infinity's yet come here over and over again just to troll.
I admit the Infinity has a lot of issues and it is disappointing to me that it has more issues than the TF300 I sold but I will be patient and see if Asus fixes things. I have had enough experience with Asus products to know they are one of the better companies out there when it comes to dealing with issues.
I'm not sure which one to get android is my favorite but every note 10.1 i try is laggy and stutters. I never owned a iPad but i tried it at best buy and it felt so smooth and fast and the screen was awesome except the screen shape. Does any one own both to tell me your opinion about speed and every day use.
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I'm not sure which one to get android is my favorite but every note 10.1 i try is laggy and stutters. I never owned a iPad but i tried it at best buy and it felt so smooth and fast and the screen was awesome except the screen shape. Does any one own both to tell me your opinion about speed and every day use.
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I have to admit that the note 10.1 ICS is laggy but, the jelly bean update is coming and it's pretty fast, no more lag or stutter. Sorry but this tablet with jelly bean version will be way better than the ipad 4. The pen and multitasking on the tablet is amazing. Im sick of ipad. Just got rid of my ipad 3 and got new note 10.1 and i'm loving it. We are still waiting for Jelly bean update to come.
My Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all on ICS. Though the JC update should have some performance improvements. Some people have already gotten the JB update, but my device (N8010) hasn't yet.
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My Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all on ICS. Though the JC update should have some performance improvements. Some people have already gotten the JB update, but my device (N8010) hasn't yet.
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Yeh, I have to admit I didnt notice any lag on ICS either. Though I came from an ipad1, so maybe thats why!
I'm on a JB rom at the moment (I have an 8010, using an 8000 rom) and it still seems smooth.
Have to say, the reason I got the note was because of the wacom digitiser. If you aren't going to make good use out of it, then the choice would be between the iPad4 or the Nexus10.
If you want to make use of the pressure sensitivity, then the iPad4 is going to be of no use to you.
So depending on what you want to use the tablet for... I'd say your choice should really be between the Nexus or the Note.
drawing
If you enjoy using drawing of any kind I can't reccomend this pad enough. There are a few apps that give professional level art programs. My favorite being tvpainter. They have a free beta that lasts till February. And the fact that wacom helped make the screen was more than enough reason for me to make my decision.
I'm still not sure , the only time I'm going to use the pen is for notes and editing pics. I'm mostly going to browse the web and watch and upload YouTube videos. My brother has the nexus 10 and it not for me the screen is nice but that's about it. I don't like apple but i like how they have lots of apps optimized for tablets when android app are just scaled up phone apps
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If you need to take handwritten notes then you have to get the Note. Otherwise the iPad is a better option.
Again, it's how you use it. Apple is a locked down system. You can only use it to Apples stringent rules... Sure you can jailbreak but then you have to wait for someone to JB the next update or get left behind...
Note 10.1, and Android in general, allows you the option of rooting fairly easily. You can control what you want and how you use it, plug those pesky security risks, and don't kid yourself Apple has them too, and change the ui to what you want. It allows you to put what you need where and make the device yours... Apple is a sterile hospital room in comparison..
I don't know why any tabs you used were stuttery, my experience with the note, ICS and JB, has been fantastic. You need to remember that the demo models in stores are subject to people playing around with them and maxing out the ram usage. Also I know that the stores also load their own app(s) onto the demo models which may cause issues.
ICS was great, JB is phenomenol. I have a 32gb 3G version. I use a 64gb sd card, that's a combined total of 96gb.. Transferring Apps, movies, music and pictures onto the note doesn't require specialised software that has a new update every 2days.
S-pen works wonders, not an artist but I find the s-pen easier to use than the onscreen keyboard. Use handwriting for everything.
And finally, the biggest plus for me was the fact I can make and receive phone calls.... Not using skype or any other 3rd party app but dialling out using my carrier. Not reliant on wifi. I use the bluetooth stylus as its easier to have on me than a headset and I hate sharing my private conversation with the world.....
I have never liked Apple as it is a closed system and there may be an advantage or 2 for that sort of app developement but I can't complain about the apps for Android. You can generally find the same or an equivalent app on Android that you use on IOS.
Essentially the decision is yours, If you are leaning towards Apple, go with it as that's your preference, I don't care as I don't have to live with your decision and you need to go with what you want...
I tried out a note 10.1 in PC world before I bought it. I must have gone in to the store a dozen times, each time the device was extremely laggy and stuttery. I assumed it was because the store devices have demo mode running all the time, plus there were so many apps running that weren't closed down. I got so frustrated in store with the lagyness. But I bought one and it couldn't be more different.....it is really smooth. so it must have been all the crap the store version had running.
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If you're an 'appy' type of guy and want everything to 'just work', pick the iPad 4. But if you're the 'tinker' guy and will find the S-pen useful, of course the Note 10.1 will suit you.
Generally though, iOS is smoother than Android, even with Jelly Bean. This comes from a previous iPad owner, now a Note 10.1 owner. I still kind of miss the iPad. If only the apps on Android tablets are as great as on iOS, then I will not miss it anyway.
Just my 2 cents!
Whats the difference between all Ipad's?.... not a damn thing! Its all the same thing and they call it revolutionary :banghead: yet everyone freaks on them
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Whats the difference between all Ipad's?.... not a damn thing! Its all the same thing and they call it revolutionary :banghead: yet everyone freaks on them
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I just like the tablet optimized apps in the app store. I just ordered the note 10.1. I just wish there was more development and easier ways to mod.
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Whats the difference between all Ipad's?.... not a damn thing! Its all the same thing and they call it revolutionary :banghead: yet everyone freaks on them
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What are the differences between Android tablets (for obvious reasons, we're talking about hardware and tablets of the same family (eg. Tab > Tab 2, TF101 > TF201 > TF300 > TF700))?
Faster/more powerful CPU? More powerful GPU? More RAM? Better camera? Better quality screen? The newer versions of iPads always have some sort of upgrade, hence why people actually upgrade their device. I'm not trying to start a flame-war, but it's clear to me that you're completely ignorant to all things Apple. So my suggestion for you is to stop talking about things that you know nothing about. If you're going to ignore everything about something, you might as well forget that it exists.
Its not only the hardware that's the same with Apple.... IOS promises a host of new features but all it really delivers is a slight improvement, usually a feature that's been available on Android for a few revisions... And this is called "Innovation" whereas Android is then accused of stealing a feature that has been available for a long time....
I don't mind the constant law suits so much as it does push new features and designs out by the companies who probably would rest on their laurels like Apple... However, Apple seems to push the fact that they came up with the idea, they then patent stuff that should have been laughed out of the patent office - really, a rectangular body with rounded corners? I had a Phillips Fizz long before the Iphone ever surfaced and that describes it exactly....
I'm sorry but I thought Innovation and stagnation had 2 different meanings but according to the Apple dictionary they are the same word...
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Its not only the hardware that's the same with Apple.... IOS promises a host of new features but all it really delivers is a slight improvement, usually a feature that's been available on Android for a few revisions... And this is called "Innovation" whereas Android is then accused of stealing a feature that has been available for a long time....
I don't mind the constant law suits so much as it does push new features and designs out by the companies who probably would rest on their laurels like Apple... However, Apple seems to push the fact that they came up with the idea, they then patent stuff that should have been laughed out of the patent office - really, a rectangular body with rounded corners? I had a Phillips Fizz long before the Iphone ever surfaced and that describes it exactly....
I'm sorry but I thought Innovation and stagnation had 2 different meanings but according to the Apple dictionary they are the same word...
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I'm not arguing that everything Apple does is innovative or revolutionary. I just find it stupid for people, like jojo1419, to say that all iPads are the same. If people actually believe that iPad 1 = iPad 4, then wow, that's ignorance at its finest, folks.
And yes, Android does have features that iOS is missing, but one thing I LOVED about my iPad was that apps were actually made for the iPad. I love my Note 10.1, but it's irritating to download an app, expect a nice tablet-friendly experience, and seeing an over-sized mobile UI. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the huge amount of tablet-friendly apps in Apple's App Store and should lower my expectations of apps from the Google Play Store.
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I'm not arguing that everything Apple does is innovative or revolutionary. I just find it stupid for people, like jojo1419, to say that all iPads are the same. If people actually believe that iPad 1 = iPad 4, then wow, that's ignorance at its finest, folks.
And yes, Android does have features that iOS is missing, but one thing I LOVED about my iPad was that apps were actually made for the iPad. I love my Note 10.1, but it's irritating to download an app, expect a nice tablet-friendly experience, and seeing an over-sized mobile UI. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the huge amount of tablet-friendly apps in Apple's App Store and should lower my expectations of apps from the Google Play Store.
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So do you still prefer the note over iPad! The only reason I still want the iPad is the tablet apps.
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Dsmforlife92 said:
So do you still prefer the note over iPad! The only reason I still want the iPad is the tablet apps.
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I guess you would have to look at the apps you use and think about whether or not you'd care..?
For me, the things I do on my tablet include (but is not limited to because I may forget things):
-web browsing
-redditing
-note taking
-drawing (I suck at this one, but I like doing it )
-reading (pdfs, ebooks, etc.)
-doing homework sets (physics problems in lecture notes)
-watching stuff (like NetFlix because my desktop uses linux)
The only thing I wish Android apps had was an easy way to connect your tablet to mathematica on your computer or something. I don't want to pay Wolfram any more than I have to so I don't want to buy time on his f*cking servers by using WolframAlpha..
Anyway, my point was that, there is no point here where I would consider Apple to have better "tablet" apps than Android. Mostly because the one thing that MAY be better would be "note apps" except those note apps are usually limited to text or stupid **** that don't apply to the way I want to take notes. But yeah, sure, I guess there are better optimized Angry Birds in the Apple store..?
I agree, alot of people here are total fanboys. Apple may not be the most innovative company, but there innovations are numerous compared to Samsung. For starters maybe the note 10.1 would not even exist if it wasn't for the innovations apple made in the early 90's with the development of the Apple Newton.
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I agree wholeheartedly that Apple got the ball rolling and keep it rolling with their idiotic lawsuits however, Apple as a whole has reached a state of stagnation...
They are slow to add extra features into their hardware and software, are limited in a lot of ways with their software and lock everything down. They are all about control, you do it Apples way or no way. Itunes is a mongrel thing to have to use, and no support for video files except mp4.... Waste of time converting EVERYTHING in my library...
The fact they now, for the iphone 5, decided to change the connector to something that doesn't support the old accessories is a bit of a slap in the face for their loyal customers, at least they could have included an adaptor in the box...
If it had of been to the mini usb like most companies have decided should be the standard for mobile phones, fair enough but it is another proprietry connection...
I know samsung use a different USB 30 pin connector for their tabs but all the phones, tablets weren't included in the agreement, have got the standard mini usb adaptor...
Lets be totally clear here, Apple cornered the market, updated a few things then sat on their laurels until their martket was being threatened by a competitor. They then did a kneejerk reaction and a quick catchup that was still behind the competitor but followed that up with a marketing blitz that wa phenominol to make people believe that they are "Innovative" and that everyone else wasn't. When that seemed to be failing them they decided to slam the competition with frivolous lawsuits for patents that were obviously a massive waste of time...
The last win they had did them more harm than good as they pointed out that the competition was essentially selling the same thing for a lot cheaper and their bottom line will continue to drop now this has been divulged.
I personally know a hard core Apple fanboy who has crossed to the darkside, his girlfriend now has an SGS3 and he went the way of Windows 8 phone... Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by lagging behind in the software and hardware that the consumers want.
ultramag69 said:
I agree wholeheartedly that Apple got the ball rolling and keep it rolling with their idiotic lawsuits however, Apple as a whole has reached a state of stagnation...
They are slow to add extra features into their hardware and software, are limited in a lot of ways with their software and lock everything down. They are all about control, you do it Apples way or no way. Itunes is a mongrel thing to have to use, and no support for video files except mp4.... Waste of time converting EVERYTHING in my library...
The fact they now, for the iphone 5, decided to change the connector to something that doesn't support the old accessories is a bit of a slap in the face for their loyal customers, at least they could have included an adaptor in the box...
If it had of been to the mini usb like most companies have decided should be the standard for mobile phones, fair enough but it is another proprietry connection...
I know samsung use a different USB 30 pin connector for their tabs but all the phones, tablets weren't included in the agreement, have got the standard mini usb adaptor...
Lets be totally clear here, Apple cornered the market, updated a few things then sat on their laurels until their martket was being threatened by a competitor. They then did a kneejerk reaction and a quick catchup that was still behind the competitor but followed that up with a marketing blitz that wa phenominol to make people believe that they are "Innovative" and that everyone else wasn't. When that seemed to be failing them they decided to slam the competition with frivolous lawsuits for patents that were obviously a massive waste of time...
The last win they had did them more harm than good as they pointed out that the competition was essentially selling the same thing for a lot cheaper and their bottom line will continue to drop now this has been divulged.
I personally know a hard core Apple fanboy who has crossed to the darkside, his girlfriend now has an SGS3 and he went the way of Windows 8 phone... Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by lagging behind in the software and hardware that the consumers want.
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Gonna go ahead and play devil's advocate:
Connector: They had the same connector for a DECADE. Micro USB is fiddly and aren't any docks for it because there's no standard so you need *gasp* a proprietary dock for you exact handset! With Apple you could have bought a dock for your iPod 5 years ago and it would still work with your iPhone 4 with the adapter Apple includes with the phone! Can you say that about anything non-Apple? It was time to change the connector and it's nice, and can be used across it's whole ecosystem which is dope. I have a Galaxy Nexus and a Galaxy Note 10.1, I can't purchase a dock for either because Samsung refused to bring them to Canada. I'd have to pay $180 for the Note 10.1 dock from South Korea (including shipping / tariffs / customs) and $90 for the gnex landscape dock. HILARIOUS.
Lawsuit: they won, period. There was written proof that Samsung copied the iPhone. Like everyone else copied the retina display. Like everyone else copied the whole iPad-esque tablet. You think you would have a Nexus 10 without the original iPad? You think you'd have a good smartphone? All-in One PCs? Ultrabooks? These product types always seem to become popular soon after Apple has come out with it. Note that I did not say they were the first to make that type of product, only that other companies seem to get the balls to make sexy stuff right after Apple popularizes it.
I love Android. I've been using it for two years now on five different devices and I've been able to watch it grow out of the awkward Gingerbread "teenager" stage into an amazing OS in ICS/Jelly Bean.
But, recently, I bought an iPad. It wasn't my first choice. I actually bought a Nexus 10 first but due to horrible backlight bleed issues and general boredom in the OS (I found Android to be much more uninteresting on the 10 than on my Nexus 4 and 7 for some reason) I returned it and eventually settled upon the iPad. And I'm not going to lie...I absolutely love it. It's ridiculously fast, fluid, sexy, and the screen is calibrated better than that of the Nexus 10. Sure, the homescreen is boring, but I've found I spend little to no time on the homescreen whereas I do much more on my Nexus 4 and 7.
Then my mom bought an iPhone 5. And so the story progresses. I've been playing with it a lot recently. The screen is pretty good, it's as fast as my iPad, the external speakers are perfection, and the general feel of the device is premium. At first I was bothered with the screen size (I still find it awkward in landscape), but I've grown used to it and actually found myself sort of liking the smallness of it (which is something I've always hated in iPhones). After all, I have my iPad for a larger screen.
And now, lastly, I'm getting a Mac pretty soon. I've always loved OS X. That really isn't anything new, to be honest. I'm not a huge fan of Windows and find it to be clunky and bloated after a few months of usage (after a year, none of my Windows computers have been as functional as they were when I first purchased them). So I'm selling my Windows laptop and buying a Mac Mini, something I'm really excited about. And the idea of pure integration between my computer, tablet, and phone sounds...well...mesmerizing. Fascinating. All of those types of adjectives.
So here I am on XDA, hounding around the Galaxy S4 forums, thinking "Well, this phone looks great, but what if I bought an iPhone?" And the fact that I'm thinking that terrifies the geek in me. For the last two years you would be hard pressed to find a bigger Android fanboy than myself. And now I'm considering having all Apple devices (except for the iPad Mini; clearly the Nexus 7 is superior to that overpriced and under-speced junk). Is there anyone here who can persuade me to stick around with Android? Maybe buy a Galaxy device (I have found AOSP to be pretty boring, lately)? I honestly don't really know. But I have an upgrade, and the last thing I want to do is waste it. I'm not a huge fan of shelling out $600 every time I want a new phone and can't upgrade. Anyway, if anyone can help me with this decision, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
MissionImprobable said:
My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
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I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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It's your life and your money - wear only Ed Hardy and drink only TAB, anyone who really cares doesn't have much of their own to care about.
I had a Macbook for a few years and I didn't die.
I've been really unimpressed with Apple's products lately. iOS just feels horribly dated to me and the synching wasn't that amazing from what I experienced - I can do better on Android these days though I bet Apple has caught up.
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jtc276 said:
I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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I can tell you this. I have an iPhone5 that was provided to me by my work. It was great at first. I went from from an Iphone 3g to Android and thought I would never turn back. After my Evo 3d I've grown to loath my Evo3d and couldn't wait for the S4.
With this said after about two weeks of using the iPhone I have grown bored and annoyed with the device. Since it is a work phone I am not allowed to jailbreak or do anything "illegal" with it. I prefer to have a nice clean desktop and quick launches that I have grown use to on my EVO3d. With that said after the beauty of the iPhone 5 (and I'm not taking anything away from it), I have come running back with a new appreciation for the Android device. I still hate my Evo3d, but I don't take it for granted for what I can do on the device. Even if I were to jailbreak the iPhone5, the one thing that wouldn't change is that I would still be limited to the same OS with its basic limitations. Even with Winterboard the device wouldn't be able to do 50% of what my outdated Evo can do.
This is just my opinion and feelings but as a daily use I would hate it. Since I only need to check emails and use it for a few work items I can deal with the iPhone.
U ll be bored from ios in 2 months...haha u can't customize it like android...ios doesnt has freedom like android...it looks faster than android because of real time priority...and android has normal priority...nothing else
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Owned the 1st iPhone and a 3GS. Both unlocked and JB'ed. Then made the jump and moved to a Galaxy S2.
I couldn't go back. There are just too many limitations and restrictions. Some of the most simple processes on android are a task on the iPhone.
Everything requires hoops and leaps compared to Android, unless you don't mind doing it Apples way. I HATED itunes. Simply throwing some mp3's on an sd card and putting it in my android phone was pathetically liberating after years with an iPhone.
If you just want to use twitter, facebook, send emails, and download some games, then you'll be fine.
But everything is proprietary and what you see is what you get.
IOS looks great and the build quality on the 5 is fantastic, but, that will get overshadowed in time imo. I strongly believe cosmetics are half the reason people own the iPhone. It screams quality, but personally, the limited and restricted functionality sticks out to me much more.
That's my .02.
Yeah I agree with u 100%
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I don't think I could do a Macbook again because I'd need to dual-boot Windows to get half the things I want to work. At least Linux has a strong community that's invested in creative solutions (don't have native Netflix ? That's okay, we found a way!) and it can be taken as an environment that forces you to learn - I did not get that spirit from Mac, it was much like Windows but with more limited software and a different GUI.
I do harbour a special hate for the Mac GUI. It just looks so "1980s" to me, it looks like what I'd expect from a new and still developing technology - which made it awesome back when it first came out but it needs to move on.
I built my own Windows computer for $500 and am very pleased that it can play the video games I want very well - and if anything breaks I can repair it myself and I can upgrade components as I choose - it will grow with me for years. No, I wasn't thrilled about Windows but I've had this thing for almost a year it's doing fine.
I don't hate Mac, I really don't - if they start thinking differently I'd consider them again.
If you want to carry something and relax go to apple... But for me I like missing up and with andriod you are always able to discover something new.. Its more exiting
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