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Running services

Hey.
Just wondering with people out there. if you check under running services, how much are processes taking up and how much free do you see on average.
I see 150-170mb
140-160 free
Are these numbers normal is what I'm looking forward to see.
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127MB used 179MB free

Is that avg? I get that right after I reboot my phone. After some use it pops to 150+
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baolongn said:
Is that avg? I get that right after I reboot my phone. After some use it pops to 150+
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no thats just what it was at that time.
its now 130MB used 177MB free.
no reboot.

I hover around 90ish used 210ish free most of the time. I close apps by back buttoning out of them when I'm done instead of home button.
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Holy crap. I avg about 160 used. Idk if battery life is an issue though. Been getting ~15 hrs on moderate use.
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WHOAA! 160s and some even in 200s?
I get a max of 170-ish at boot, and soon after some use, it deteriorates to to 60s and 70s range...
i reboot my phone once every 1-2 days ... but i constantly ensure there are no background apps running using the task-manager app...
any tips to help me out guys?
EDIT: sorry - i was looking at "Free memory" as shown under the "Advanced Task Killer" app ... while the OP was talking about free memory shown under the 'Running services' screen ..
that screen shows me around 130-145 ish

From what I hear atk are bad for your phone causing the CPU to be used more to end these tasks that aren't ready to be killed. I suggest you let your CPU run off its terminate code on its on. I'm confident you'll find the stock task manager to be efficient and effective.
Anyways, back to services. Seems like nightly #19 is better taking care of my services. Got it to drop to 120 consistently and staying there.
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baolongn said:
From what I hear atk are bad for your phone causing the CPU to be used more to end these tasks that aren't ready to be killed. I suggest you let your CPU run off its terminate code on its on. I'm confident you'll find the stock task manager to be efficient and effective.
Anyways, back to services. Seems like nightly #19 is better taking care of my services. Got it to drop to 120 consistently and staying there.
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mmmm..interesting..
i just checked the built-in battery-usage app to see what's consuming power... and ATK hasn't popped on there (yet) ... but I do rememebr seeing it once or twice with a 2-3% figure next to it..
I will try to keep it off tomorrow and use the stock task manager... lets see if that improves battery life by any chance..

i'm not sure that task managers will show up in the android list of used battery processes. but i can tell you that using task killer is a bad idea, and can lead to shorter battery life, because the OS constantly opens up apps. and the task killer is just fighting the OS killing them again, which is an endless cycle using up cpu power. these apps are periodically loaded as "empty processes" and usually will show as background on a task killer. you dont have to worry about these, they use no power. but services you may want to look out for, as they may be doing something, and could be using power.

RogerPodacter said:
i'm not sure that task managers will show up in the android list of used battery processes. but i can tell you that using task killer is a bad idea, and can lead to shorter battery life, because the OS constantly opens up apps. and the task killer is just fighting the OS killing them again, which is an endless cycle using up cpu power. these apps are periodically loaded as "empty processes" and usually will show as background on a task killer. you dont have to worry about these, they use no power. but services you may want to look out for, as they may be doing something, and could be using power.
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Yes sir... makes sense ...Ill start tomorrow with a freshly baked /charged battery
and kill off the ATK ..
Thanks again...It's fantastic to see all these helpful tips out here on XDA
And OP sorry if I wennt OT or hijacked ur question towards battery life/ ATK

214 on boot free
180 on used

Do you close active applications or just leave them running?

Do you close active applications when you're done with them or simply leave them running?
I've been reading that it's best practice to just leave apps as they are when you're done using them. That you can end up causing problems or even eating more battery/resources if you use a task manager to close them.
What's your take?

If its a game or such, I exit out of the game with the back button, ending the task. I don't normally kill any other background apps unless i'm troubleshooting or its causing problems.
Its true what they say about task killers and prematurely ending tasks. Android by version 2.2 had become adept at handling background tasks and ending them when needed. No user interference is required.

icenight89 said:
If its a game or such, I exit out of the game with the back button, ending the task. I don't normally kill any other background apps unless i'm troubleshooting or its causing problems.
Its true what they say about task killers and prematurely ending tasks. Android by version 2.2 had become adept at handling background tasks and ending them when needed. No user interference is required.
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+1. With the new ROMs Task Killers are total useless. They can do more harm then good. OF COURSE, exiting/quitting apps THAT HAVE an exit button is a good idea.
Good luck !

What about clearing ram I see thirty programs close is that bad are they apps that should be running
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xxsicknessxx said:
What about clearing ram I see thirty programs close is that bad are they apps that should be running
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If that really bothers you it is best to REBOOT your phone. It is a much, much better way to return to "zero". And it takes a min at most...
It also really helps reset apps etc..... With something like ICS, unless you fully understand its memory mangement, clearing memory willy-nilly only leads to phone mess-up and then yu'll have to reboot any way.

Personally, I only kill an app that has stopped responding. And usually I do that by restarting.
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I kill nothing. Let android do what it does best
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I kill apps all the time since ICS leaked. Hold home and swipe away everything I'm not using.
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jamesd86 said:
I kill apps all the time since ICS leaked. Hold home and swipe away everything I'm not using.
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I don't think that works the way you think it does??
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I don't think that works the way you think it does??
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Indeed it does. It's a built in task manager.
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Well ics handles it slightly different giving the user the ability to control the amount of stuff in the background runing. No reason to use a task manager

Really, unless an app is giving you problems or excessively draining your battery, they should be left as they are. Ever since Froyo, Android has done a really good job of memory management.

Battery saver apps

Hey guys I would just like ppl opinion on the various battery saving apps that are available on the market.
Do you think they actually work? best apps(in your opinion) and best configuration to save most battery.
I have juice defender and and it always says that it is saving me somewhere around 1.6 but I'm not totally sure that that is the case.
I have not had it installed for the last couple of days and my battery doesn't seem to be noticeable y worse than when it was installed
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I have stopped using them. I have think it depends in how a person uses their phone to start with. All of those options, can be done manually. I personally got tires of switching to different profiles for what I was doing. I haven't noticed much difference myself.
but, that is just my experience.
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I have stopped using them. I have think it depends in how a person uses their phone to start with. All of those options, can be done manually. I personally got tires of switching to different profiles for what I was doing. I haven't noticed much difference myself.
but, that is just my experience.
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Yes well that's the way I'm going I think. They taking up space and memory on phone and not really getting any noticeable benefit from having them installed.
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gavmac said:
Yes well that's the way I'm going I think. They taking up space and memory on phone and not really getting any noticeable benefit from having them installed.
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They do keep us occupied ...... for about a week. That's worth something I guess.
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The battery on my phone is going iPhone-ish, I need one of the battery saving apps, Are there any decent ones yet?

I would try Bataria from the market. Its free, and doesn't use much resources to do its job. I think the best is to manually adjust different settings on your phone. Same results, nothing running in the background to do it.

I am using Greenpowe.

Battery apps are usually crap. The only ones that really work are the ones that modify how your phone's software works. And those almost always require root access.
If by chance you are rooted, I recommend SetCPU, Autostarts and Autokiller. SetCPU will allow you to set profiles such as throttling while the screen is off, which will save you a ton of battery. Autostarts will stop custom apps from starting with your phone's OS, which leads to less background processes. And Autokiller will ensure that you have plenty of free memory for less tasks being killed and restarted. That alone has the potential to make a huge difference in your battery life.

I'm not trying for snarky, but
An app can't save battery by running
But you can save battery by turning something off

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I'm not trying for snarky, but
An app can't save battery by running
But you can save battery by turning something off
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I totally agree.

My uncle uses juice defender, but I think it's better for the battery to manage everything yourself.
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yeah I've been using Juice Defender. It does save some battery life.

If you have a horrible phone like mine, juice defender ultimate works wonders. My LG optimus m gets about 12 hours of life without it, and about 18 hours with it.
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On my OG EVO I used juice defender plus and it helped out greatly. Saw 1.8x a couple of times. On the new EVO LTE I don't use a thing and it keeps going and going and going...
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Question on ram

I just got my gt2 10.1 a week or so ago and have a question. When I open the task manager to close any running apps I click on the ram tab and here is where my question comes in. It says I have 687MB of ram. Does that seem right? I know you will never have the advertised 1gb but my number seems a little low. Do I have a hardware issue with my tab? I removed all the live widgets from the home screen and it helped to make it smoother, I just don't wanna regret getting this tab later.
Thanks guys
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When things are running normally with Android you should see about 80% of the RAM in use. The memory manager attempts to keep things in memory so they start faster. you have more than 50% maybe when you first boot,. but as things run it will go to about 80% used. That's optimal you can kill task all day and it will come back. That's the way it works and optimizes RAM use.
And oh, by the way , that's typical for modern virtual memory systems, Linux, Windows etc.

Ok bro. Thanks for clearing this up for me. so it's all good then.
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Snapdragon Battery Guru

Hi All,
This is an app that i just found that apparently is extremely useful for the I9505 variant containing the Snapdragon processor.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiam.snapdragon.app#_blank
"Snapdragon™ BatteryGuru is a battery life saver app that extends battery performance and improves overall user experience by intelligently making changes that optimize device functionality in phones with Snapdragon mobile processors."
I have just installed it to see how it goes over the next few days.
Just thought i should share it with everyone.
Cheers

It will be very interesting to see how this turns out
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still need 1 days and 8 hour for me. will see how it goes.

23 hours left hear lol
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mine says 4 days of learning left....
will be interesting to see what it learns and how well it effectively puts that learning into practice to help battery life.

didn't really make much any difference for me so deleted it... not to say it won't work for you though
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Verdict still out for me as well. 1 day left of learning.

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didn't really make much any difference for me so deleted it... not to say it won't work for you though
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+1
I know this app from the Nexus 4, no differences....

beaver2233 said:
didn't really make much any difference for me so deleted it... not to say it won't work for you though
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did you let the learning time pass? and still not notice much?

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did you let the learning time pass? and still not notice much?
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Yeah of course (the app has been out for quite a while so it's not new). But as I said may be different for different users (those who sync a lot etc).
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I used this app for Nexus 4 when it was launched, after it learnt it mostly disabled my Gmail/Whatsapp/Tango and whenever I used to open those APPs then only I could get notifications. This is even when, I have disabled that do not enable this feature on this & this app. Strangely I had to uninstall the app so that I can receive notifications

coolraghav said:
I used this app for Nexus 4 when it was launched, after it learnt it mostly disabled my Gmail/Whatsapp/Tango and whenever I used to open those APPs then only I could get notifications. This is even when, I have disabled that do not enable this feature on this & this app. Strangely I had to uninstall the app so that I can receive notifications
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Its mostly useless because of this.
I used it on my previous phone as well, Motorola RAZR HD. There were options to enable data for those apps (I don't use Tango though), and I did.
In the end all it was essentially doing is managing my WiFi, and it made poor choices about that, disconnecting me when I was at home and using WiFi. It made sense to the app; WiFi took more power, but it wasn't the way I wanted to use it.
In the end, it didn't do anything but screw up my experience. I could achieve what it had "learned" and tailored it to my needs using Tasker but doing that doesn't even make a significant difference when I'd set it up for a better power saving experience so those profiles inevitably got deleted.
I should add that the RAZR HD is built to be sort of similar to vanilla Android, and that I trust Samsung a lot more when it comes to trying to optimise power consumption in its ROM without any add ons running, and that's quite a statement considering that the RAZR HD has incredible battery life.
I've had this app staring at me in Titanium Backup, uninstalled, since I got the phone and the urge to try it out comes and goes, but overall I can't really conceive that its a good idea to do so. There's no magical things that it does which can't be accomplished using other tools and most of those tools aren't really worth it despite doing a better job for the reason of the user having more control over what conditions need to be met for the functions to take place. The days of Android needing help with power management through third party apps are for the most part in the past and only exist on pretty old phones.

Battery Guru is in use more then anything else during Learning process when I check in Greenify. Based on what I see hopefully it is used less after Learning.
Also is it worth using this with Greenify?
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Leonidas87 said:
Battery Guru is in use more then anything else during Learning process when I check in Greenify. Based on what I see hopefully it is used less after Learning.
Also is it worth using this with Greenify?
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hahahahaha
what a stupid program if that is the case (saw your image below this post)

Latest after finishing the Learning period. Seems to still show up in greenify to be waking up the phone more then anything else I've ever seen before.
To me it looks like a resource and battery hog.
Anyone else have an opinion based on the picture I'm attaching or there experience with it?
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Leonidas87 said:
Latest after finishing the Learning period. Seems to still show up in greenify to be waking up the phone more then anything else I've ever seen before.
To me it looks like a resource and battery hog.
Anyone else have an opinion based on the picture I'm attaching or there experience with it?
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Yep. And I guess if the functions of this app were so great how it tells you in the description, it would be in the source code of the qualcomm's kernel itself. Maybe it can save some battery but only for those millions of unexperienced users arround the world, who doesn't even know, what android really is.
I would stick with greenify and that's enough. Everything else is the job for the kernel.

Impact7 said:
Yep. And I guess if the functions of this app were so great how it tells you in the description, it would be in the source code of the qualcomm's kernel itself. Maybe it can save some battery but only for those millions of unexperienced users arround the world, who doesn't even know, what android really is.
I would stick with greenify and that's enough. Everything else is the job for the kernel.
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Overall it just does more harm then good. My Live Wallpaper seemed slugish. Scrolling became sluggish on homescreen and drawer. Over 1000 Wake ups and counting with it. NO THANK YOU.
USE GREENIFY (BETA VERSION PREFFERED BY ME) BOTTOM LINE
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Does this app really help?
I let it run the whole learning period and just ended a few hours ago...
So it started saving battery... The phone was idle the whole time.
You see a huge decline in battery? Thats when the App BatteryGuru started to "save battery", how ironic.
"Google Services" seems to be the cause in here..
When checking Wake Lock Detector,
BatteryGuru is the most wake lock...
Question is, Shall I continue using it?

i started using this app with the adam kernel and ive noticed that my battery life has increased from 12 hours of use to 18/19 hours of use
im a pretty avid phone user. mainly music, web browsing, phone calling, text, games, and seldomly maps (in order of importance to my personal life
with the stock kernel i saw no difference