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Would you still get a transformer if it doesn't have GPS? In many recent reviews of the US model, I don't see any mentioning of GPS included.
I hope it's not the case. If not it would be a shame to not include a small model for a successful sale.
popophobia said:
Would you still get a transformer if it doesn't have GPS? In many recent reviews of the US model, I don't see any mentioning of GPS included.
I hope it's not the case. If not it would be a shame to not include a small model for a successful sale.
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Wondering about this as well?
Anandtech specifically mentions NO GPS:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4277/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review/9
ASUS, i was dying for this to come out and would have been there when the doors open at 9am on 4/26 to pick this up, but sorry, no GPS, no sale...
i think i would still get it.
the camera i don't care about, but the GPS i would be disappointed if it was missing, especially if they launched another build in a few weeks/months that did include it.
kgdg said:
Wondering about this as well?
Anandtech specifically mentions NO GPS:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4277/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review/9
ASUS, i was dying for this to come out and would have been there when the doors open at 9am on 4/26 to pick this up, but sorry, no GPS, no sale...
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however android central's review today stresses that it's the NA version, and it DOES have the gps and camera.
Not in this review either
http://www.businessinsider.com/asus-eee-pad-transform-review-2011-4
I'm worry that the tablet would not be such a hit and the modding community would not adopt it as warmly as they would otherwise.
International versions all have GPS I believe.
I'd still be getting it. I've had a tegra 2 since november and never once needed gps. I have an android phone which is a much better form factor for gps.
I see why people would be unhappy, but I dont see it affecting adoption much.
popophobia said:
Not in this review either
http://www.businessinsider.com/asus-eee-pad-transform-review-2011-4
I'm worry that the tablet would not be such a hit and the modding community would not adopt it as warmly as they would otherwise.
International versions all have GPS I believe.
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those guys couldn't even get the device name right, and they just ripped the article from another source, so i wouldn't give them much credibility.
Specifications
Display 10.1" LED Backlight WXGA (1280x800) Screen*1
10 finger multi-touch support
Scratch resistant glass
CPU NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2
Memory 1GB
Storage 16GB/32GB
Unlimited ASUS Webstorage*2
Wireless Data Network WLAN 802.11 b/g/[email protected]
Bluetooth V2.1+EDR
Camera 1.2 M Pixel Front Camera
5 M Pixel Rear Camera
Audio SRS Premium Sound
Stereo Speakers
High Quality Mic
Interface 1 x 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone/Mic-in)
1 x mini HDMI 1.3a
1 x Card Reader (Micro SD)
Sensor G-Sensor
Light Sensor
Gyroscope
E-Compass
GPS
Application Multi-Task Support : Yes
Flash Support : Yes *3
Software :
- ASUS Launcher
- MyLibrary
- MyNet
- MyCloud*4
- File manager
- PC Sync
Battery 9.5 hours; 24.4Wh Li-Polymer Battery *5
16 hours with dock *5
Dimensions 271 x 171 x 12.98 mm
Weight 680 g
Mobile Docking Keyboard
Touch Pad
2 x USB 2.0
2 x Docking port (Host + Client)
1 x Card Reader (MMC/SD/SDHC)
1 x 24.4Wh Battery
Note *1 : IPS Panel, 178° wide view angle.
*2 : Complimentary one-year trial of ASUS WebStorage. Please visit www.asuswebstorage.com for more details.
*3 : Adobe® Flash® update required from Android Market.
*4 : Will be ready after mid-April via online.
*5 : The estimated maximum battery life is measured by playing 720p video, LCD brightness 60 nits.
Says GPS
http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#specifications
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Saw the androidcentral's review. They did stress that it has GPS.
I'm getting an international version anyway (Singapore pre-order for about $570 with keyboard), just hoping that the different SKUs play nice with different ROMs. If not, I may swap to a US version. Rather take community support over Asus's warranty any day.
Guys...relax. It has GPS.
On the ASUS's website it says it has GPS.
On Android Central's review (published today) it says it has GPS. I already linked to that article in another thread, so you can look that one up yourselves.
popophobia said:
Saw the androidcentral's review. They did stress that it has GPS.
I'm getting an international version anyway (Singapore pre-order for about $570 with keyboard), just hoping that the different SKUs play nice with different ROMs. If not, I may swap to a US version. Rather take community support over Asus's warranty any day.
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How did you preorder it from singapore?
joebob23 said:
How did you preorder it from singapore?
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From their facebook page last monday. Only 100 sets with free keyboard were available though.
kingrat said:
Specifications
Display 10.1" LED Backlight WXGA (1280x800) Screen*1
10 finger multi-touch support
Scratch resistant glass
CPU NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2
Memory 1GB
Storage 16GB/32GB
Unlimited ASUS Webstorage*2
Wireless Data Network WLAN 802.11 b/g/[email protected]
Bluetooth V2.1+EDR
Camera 1.2 M Pixel Front Camera
5 M Pixel Rear Camera
Audio SRS Premium Sound
Stereo Speakers
High Quality Mic
Interface 1 x 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone/Mic-in)
1 x mini HDMI 1.3a
1 x Card Reader (Micro SD)
Sensor G-Sensor
Light Sensor
Gyroscope
E-Compass
GPS
Application Multi-Task Support : Yes
Flash Support : Yes *3
Software :
- ASUS Launcher
- MyLibrary
- MyNet
- MyCloud*4
- File manager
- PC Sync
Battery 9.5 hours; 24.4Wh Li-Polymer Battery *5
16 hours with dock *5
Dimensions 271 x 171 x 12.98 mm
Weight 680 g
Mobile Docking Keyboard
Touch Pad
2 x USB 2.0
2 x Docking port (Host + Client)
1 x Card Reader (MMC/SD/SDHC)
1 x 24.4Wh Battery
Note *1 : IPS Panel, 178° wide view angle.
*2 : Complimentary one-year trial of ASUS WebStorage. Please visit www.asuswebstorage.com for more details.
*3 : Adobe® Flash® update required from Android Market.
*4 : Will be ready after mid-April via online.
*5 : The estimated maximum battery life is measured by playing 720p video, LCD brightness 60 nits.
Says GPS
http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#specifications
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you should quote the entire source
All specifications are subject to change without notice. Please check with your supplier for exact offers. Products may not be available in all markets.
If this makes you feel any better... On Android Central's specifications page, it has several footnotes. Footnote "1" states:
Configurations and Applications offered for the Eee Pad Transformer may vary based upon SKU, Country, and Locale. Functionality, release dates and specifications are subject to change.
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However, if you look at the specs, "1" is only listed after "Storage" and "Applications," not "Sensors" which includes GPS.
I'm done humoring the conspiracy theorists now.
TJNooker said:
If this makes you feel any better... On Android Central's specifications page, it has several footnotes. Footnote "1" states:
However, if you look at the specs, "1" is only listed after "Storage" and "Applications," not "Sensors" which includes GPS.
I'm done humoring the conspiracy theorists now.
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Just because we are concerned doesn't make us conspiracy theorists..no malice towards ASUS, just dissapointment.
That said, if it does have GPS (and I hope it does), it's mine!
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Seriously? I'm done ordering mine. Just worry that you guys in the States don't get GPS.
From the Asus main Facebook page in the comments on the Anandtech review:
Dan Krizanek AnandTech.com says that there is no GPS, even though Asus's official specs say there is. Is it true?
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ASUS Official Page @Dan - where did u see it in the official specs?
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Avinash Raghavendra On time! Thanks!
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ASUS Official Page @Dan Krizanek - sorry, that's correct. No GPS in North America, but it is available in some regions which is why it's listed on the official ASUS site
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Johnson Dea No GPS in N.A. i am sad
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Dennis Structure we love like anantech love youuuu :=)
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ASUS Official Page N.A has location GPS but not Navigation GPS to clarify
bushrat67 said:
From the Asus main Facebook page in the comments on the Anandtech review:
Dan Krizanek AnandTech.com says that there is no GPS, even though Asus's official specs say there is. Is it true?
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ASUS Official Page @Dan - where did u see it in the official specs?
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Avinash Raghavendra On time! Thanks!
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ASUS Official Page @Dan Krizanek - sorry, that's correct. No GPS in North America, but it is available in some regions which is why it's listed on the official ASUS site
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Johnson Dea No GPS in N.A. i am sad
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Dennis Structure we love like anantech love youuuu :=)
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ASUS Official Page N.A has location GPS but not Navigation GPS to clarify
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You gotta remember, PR people dont always have the right info. GPS is GPS, maybe they are referring to a program to run it on... either way I'm thinking maybe you should not pick one of the first run transformers just to make sure
It should have GPS and probably will have GPS.
I've done my share of customer service and know that most reps that don't know, will guess. Not a lot of them will say "ummm, I really dont know".
Not having a GPS though would be a huge disappointment as the Google map software already integrates navigation features.
What I'm more concerned about is, why the heck did they remove the "rotate lock" lever in their production model. Their demos had them - right beneath the volume button.
How did the rest of you interpret that? No turn by turn navigation (through google or something else?) or no GPS, or both?
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Ok Maybe this is just a random theory of mine, or just random stupidity, but please follow along here. This is an idea of mine that came from how the HTC Dream and the HTC Sapphire could basically use the same roms, basically because the two phones where so close in spec details. So in theory (taking a device from around the same date, in this case the Sidekick 4g and the Galaxy S 4g) two devices with very, very close specs might work on each other. Ill put the phone specs below.
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Galaxy S 4g
General
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
Announced 2011, January
Status Available. Released 2011, February
Body Dimensions 122.4 x 64.5 x 9.9 mm
Weight 118 g
- Touch-sensitive controls
Display Type Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 480 x 800 pixels, 4.0 inches (~233 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass
- TouchWiz 3.0 UI
Sound Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, 16GB card included, buy memory
Internal 1GB ROM, 512 MB RAM
Data GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v3.0 with A2DP, EDR
Infrared port No
USB Yes, v2.0 microUSB
Camera Primary 5 MP, 2592 x 1944 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes
Features OS Android OS, v2.2 (Froyo)
Chipset Hummingbird
CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A8
GPU PowerVR SGX540
Sensors Accelerometer, proximity, compass
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML, Adobe Flash
Radio No
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Black and Grey
- Social networking integration
- Qik services for video calls
- MP4/DivX/WMV/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/AC3/FLAC player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document editor (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF)
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa integration
- Voice memo/dial/commands
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1650 mAh
Stand-by Up to 300 h
Talk time Up to 6 h 30 min
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Sidekick 4g
General
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
HSDPA 2100
Announced 2011, March
Status Available. Released 2011, April 20th
Body Dimensions 127 x 61 x 15 mm
Weight 162 g
Keyboard QWERTY
Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 480 x 800 pixels, 3.5 inches (~267 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
- Optical trackpad
Sound Alert types Vibration, MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, 2GB included, buy memory
Internal 1 GB ROM, 512 MB RAM
Data GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes v3.0 with A2DP
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 3.15 MP, 2048x1536 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging
Video Yes, D1 (720x480 pixels) @ 30 fps
Secondary Yes, VGA
Features OS Android OS, v2.2 (Froyo)
Chipset Hummingbird
CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A8
GPU PowerVR SGX540
Sensors Accelerometer, proximity
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
Browser HTML, Adobe Flash
Radio Nо
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Matte black, Pearl magenta
- SNS integration
- T-Mobile TV
- MP4/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player
- Organizer
- ThinkFree Office document editor (Word, Excel, PowerPoint), PDF viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa integration
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1500 mAh
Stand-by Up to 456 h
Talk time Up to 6 h 30 min
I'm not trying to get the development section of this device's hopes up, but, in theory this might work. So im going to start testing Rom's from the Galaxy S 4g to see if they work on the Sidekick 4g. I know there is another device with the same specs as the Sidekick, but, i sadly dont remember what it was so i cant look into testing Rom's from that device. There is basically no risk from trying this if some people want to try this theory also since this phone is basically unbrickable and you can use the UnBrickable Resuscitator to go back. Ill keep every on up to date with the progress of this and let every one know if and when a rom thats either Gingerbread or ICS works with this. I say again this is just a theory that im going to start testing. Its nothing set in stone.
I wish you the best of luck, I know that other devs ran into huge issues when trying to do this.
U forgot about the drivers to display on the screen that is a major issue
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xtrem88 said:
U forgot about the drivers to display on the screen that is a major issue
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those drivers might come from the Exhibit 4g or the Exhibit 2. the first one came out but for a short time i think
U forgot about the drivers to display on the screen that is a major issue<br />
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What if that was just a rumor lazy devs spread around....???
Its just a driver, like any computer there is a proprietary driver and then there are generic drivers......
If you look at the reference guide I'm working on ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466906 ) you'll see there's no one device which uses all the same components as our Sidekick. But the majority of the hardware in our phone appears in another Android phone. So it might be possible with some mixing and matching.
This was the main problem. Samsung used non-standard parts in building this phone, and by extension, had to rework/rewrite most of the drivers in the process. The SGS4G is the closest that I've found yes, but the video driver is different indeed.
For those who wish to pursue development through this idea, the SGS4G kernel/rom will boot on the SK4G, but none of the drivers work, so you cannot see anything or use the rom. Basically, the SGS4G kernel has the processor components for the GB kernel, but nothing else.
EDIT: took another look at this again today, looks like we'd need some GB bootloaders as well, which we do not have, and need to be built specifically for this phone.
i guess i just dont understand why samsung is so stupid with this, do they realize if they let development fall into the open source community that more people would want this phone?
The random parts probably come from the fact that Magenta wanted this phone to look and feel like the old Sidekicks. Thus, they probably had to scrounge up non-standard parts to get the feel right, then realized they had to code everything different.
My hopes of getting an official GB port are dwindling...=/
HewettBR said:
i guess i just dont understand why samsung is so stupid with this, do they realize if they let development fall into the open source community that more people would want this phone?
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They want more people to drop this phone for one of their new ones.... $$$$ is the only language Samsung speaks
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may be you can try port T759 to T839 the camera is same
The camera is the least of our worries, the issue is that in order to have correctly linked binaries, we need a 2.6.35 kernel on the SK4G.
sduvick said:
The camera is the least of our worries, the issue is that in order to have correctly linked binaries, we need a 2.6.35 kernel on the SK4G.
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That would be so sexy... definitely going to be a frankenstein experiment and a half to get this working. Driver from here, driver from there, and some re-writes over that way. Spoke with Samsung about an update on their end yesterday, they don't know squat as usual.
Best of luck and my cash offer still stands for the guy who gets GB rockin on this device.
MrKickstand said:
Ok Maybe this is just a random theory of mine, or just random stupidity, but please follow along here. This is an idea of mine that came from how the HTC Dream and the HTC Sapphire could basically use the same roms, basically because the two phones where so close in spec details. So in theory (taking a device from around the same date, in this case the Sidekick 4g and the Galaxy S 4g) two devices with very, very close specs might work on each other. Ill put the phone specs below.
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Galaxy S 4g
General
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
Announced 2011, January
Status Available. Released 2011, February
Body Dimensions 122.4 x 64.5 x 9.9 mm
Weight 118 g
- Touch-sensitive controls
Display Type Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 480 x 800 pixels, 4.0 inches (~233 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass
- TouchWiz 3.0 UI
Sound Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, 16GB card included, buy memory
Internal 1GB ROM, 512 MB RAM
Data GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v3.0 with A2DP, EDR
Infrared port No
USB Yes, v2.0 microUSB
Camera Primary 5 MP, 2592 x 1944 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes
Features OS Android OS, v2.2 (Froyo)
Chipset Hummingbird
CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A8
GPU PowerVR SGX540
Sensors Accelerometer, proximity, compass
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML, Adobe Flash
Radio No
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Black and Grey
- Social networking integration
- Qik services for video calls
- MP4/DivX/WMV/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/AC3/FLAC player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document editor (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF)
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa integration
- Voice memo/dial/commands
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1650 mAh
Stand-by Up to 300 h
Talk time Up to 6 h 30 min
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Sidekick 4g
General
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
HSDPA 2100
Announced 2011, March
Status Available. Released 2011, April 20th
Body Dimensions 127 x 61 x 15 mm
Weight 162 g
Keyboard QWERTY
Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 480 x 800 pixels, 3.5 inches (~267 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
- Optical trackpad
Sound Alert types Vibration, MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, 2GB included, buy memory
Internal 1 GB ROM, 512 MB RAM
Data GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes v3.0 with A2DP
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 3.15 MP, 2048x1536 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging
Video Yes, D1 (720x480 pixels) @ 30 fps
Secondary Yes, VGA
Features OS Android OS, v2.2 (Froyo)
Chipset Hummingbird
CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A8
GPU PowerVR SGX540
Sensors Accelerometer, proximity
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
Browser HTML, Adobe Flash
Radio Nо
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Matte black, Pearl magenta
- SNS integration
- T-Mobile TV
- MP4/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player
- Organizer
- ThinkFree Office document editor (Word, Excel, PowerPoint), PDF viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa integration
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1500 mAh
Stand-by Up to 456 h
Talk time Up to 6 h 30 min
I'm not trying to get the development section of this device's hopes up, but, in theory this might work. So im going to start testing Rom's from the Galaxy S 4g to see if they work on the Sidekick 4g. I know there is another device with the same specs as the Sidekick, but, i sadly dont remember what it was so i cant look into testing Rom's from that device. There is basically no risk from trying this if some people want to try this theory also since this phone is basically unbrickable and you can use the UnBrickable Resuscitator to go back. Ill keep every on up to date with the progress of this and let every one know if and when a rom thats either Gingerbread or ICS works with this. I say again this is just a theory that im going to start testing. Its nothing set in stone.
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Exhibit 4g (1) has the closest I can find except for our KB and exhibit has a flash. will need a kernel dev to map keyboard lights and several other things. But of coarse it has no support either. ;-(
Dumb questions: are the existing hardware drivers used in Froyo incompatible with Gingerbread? How much work would it be to modify them to work under Gingerbread?
the jump from froyo to Gingerbread would require an updated kernel, which would in turn require modifying them at least somewhat to be compatible. for experienced kernel devs this might not be as difficult as it seems to be to me, but as far as I've tried, it seems to be insurmountable so far.
@Mr.Kickstand: What ever happened to your B2TB rom?
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@Mr.Kickstand: What ever happened to your B2TB rom?
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It's still there, but ive been slowly chipping away at new things at it since ive been extremely busy, a new release is soon though so stay tuned ^_^
Alright good to now, thanks
Glad to know only the thread is inactive, not the dev
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Alright good to now, thanks
Glad to know only the thread is inactive, not the dev
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Well, the way i see it is that people usually just asked questions in the thread, and i think i adressed most of the problems or current bugs. So untill the new release or a bug magically decides to stroll on in i think i addressed everything pretty well in the OP.
This comparison will evaluate devices in the 10" form factor family. It will also attempt to objectively compare four of the most popular tablet devices currently on the market. Comparisons based on internet research and in hand observation.
As of December 11, 2012
Device Price Points: (Not the focus but may guide decision making ---- lowest price posted from Amazon, Cnet, and/or Manufacturer)
ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700T -
32 GB = $449
64 GB = $549
Mobile Dock = $128-$150
(Cellular Service enabled models also available for additional cost)
Technical Specs:
OS = Android Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0 (Jelly Bean 4.1 OTA update also available)
Dimensions = 10.35 x 7.12 x 0.33 (263 x 180.8 x 8.5 mm)
Weight = 21.09 .oz / 598g / 1.32 lbs
Display = 10.1" / 1920 x 1200 pixels / 224 ppi / Super IPS+ LCD (178° wide viewing angles / Outdoor Readability)
Processor = NVIDIA Tegra 3 T33 Quad core, @1.6 GHzCortex-A9
GPU = ULP GeForce 12-core GPU
Memory = 1GB of DDR3 RAM
Storage = 32 / 64 GB
Camera = Front - 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Rear - 2 MP
Video Recording @[email protected]
Battery Life Expectancy =
9.5 hours; 25Wh Li-polymer Battery
14 hours pad with dock; 25Wh(pad) + 19.5Wh(dock) Li-polymer Battery
The TF700 is definitely a device that could be improved perfomance wise out of the box. Couple that with the fact that many report that they receive physically defective devices upon delivery and you have a skeptical situation. One could consider these issues superficial though since Asus as a manufacturer has proven that issues will be addressed both with hardware as well as software. Whether it be through Over The Air Operating System updates, through issuing free dongles to remedy gps issues (Tranformer Prime), or replacement of defective units, Asus has created a reputation for being customer oriented. Not to mention the onslaught of developer support from sites such as XDA developers. There are many who report that they own the perfect laptop replacement after a few tweaks readily available in forums and the internet. With the dock that offers a mouse pad, qwerty keyboard with built-in hot keys and short cuts, full USB 2.0 port, SD Card slot, and additional battery life, this device screams production and performance. With its competitive hardware components and continually improving software feature set, the infinity can be a very easy buy for consumers.
Resources:
http://www.asus.com/Tablet/Transfor...om/asus_transformer_pad_infinity_700-4606.php
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Asus-Transformer-Pad-Infinity-TF700T_id7359/fullspecs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72e9xJBSfJ4 - Transformer Infinity VS. Surface
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_4eVpax9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYnsNLN9its
Samsung Google Nexus 10 -
16 GB = $399
32 GB = $499
Technical Specs:
OS = Android Jelly Bean 4.2
Dimensions = 263.9 x 177.6 x 8.9 mm (10.39 x 6.99 x 0.35 in)
Weight = 603 g (1.33 lb)
Display = 10.055" / 2560x1600 pixels / 300 ppi / True RGB Real Stripe PLS
Processor = Dual-core Cortex-A15 @1.7 GHz
GPU = Mali-T604
Memory = 2GB RAM
Storage = 16 / 32 GB
Camera = Front - 5 MP, 2592х1936 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Rear - 1.9 MP
Video Recording @1920x1080 (1080p HD) (30 fps)
Battery Life Expectancy = 9000 mAh Lithium polymer battery Up to 9 h (multimedia)
The Nexus 10 sports some very compelling machinery, equipment, and software integration through the impressive google environment. In my opinion, if and/or when this line gets that external storage compartment and detachable fully functional key board it would be an obvious selection without hesitation. Until then, I could only view this as a powerfully interesting entertainment device. Please do not misinterpret and think that I am not recommending this tablet. With its best in business screen resolution, front facing speakers, brand new Android OS (which deserves its own discussion - http://www.android.com/whatsnew/), this elite devise would be an excellent purchase decision. This device is new and may even get a new additions such as a keyboard dock type thing or extra software feature upgrades.
Resources:
http://www.google.com/nexus/10/
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_surface-5082.php
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Microsoft-Surface-RT_id7181
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KwWtYY4tN4 - Nexus 10 VS. iPad 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1duu5Ro2xY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKvMhM2A5NY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVsnq2-fgoA - part 1 of 3 part review
Tablet Comparison / Usage Analysis
Microsoft Surface RT
32 GB = $590
64 GB = $699
Touch Cover = $142
OS = Windows (RT)
Dimensions = 274.6 x 172 x 9.4 mm (10.81 x 6.77 x 0.37 in)
Weight = 680.4 g (1.50 lb)
Display = 10.60 "/ 1366 x 768 pixels / 148 ppi / TFT capacitive touchscreen
Processor = NVIDIA Tegra 3 T30 @1.3GHz ARM Cortex-A9
GPU = ULP GeForce @ 520MHz
Memory = 2GB RAM
Storage = 32/64 GB
Camera = Front - 1.2MP,
Rear - 1.2 MP
Video Recording @[email protected]
Battery Life Expectancy = standard battery, Li-Ion (31.5 Wh) Up to 8 h
Although it has some impressive quantitative hardware components and qualitative software features, I would say the Surface is too early in development, so to speak, to consider it a contender at its current configuration and feature set. There are currently not enough apps supporting this new OS and interface. The new environment may also be a turn off because of the learning curve involved in championing such a new piece of equipment. I expect Microsoft to be competitive in this field in the very near future despite the fact that the company is still establishing itself in this market. As a mobile laptop replacement this device is an option. It has a detachable keyboard option that connects directly to the tablet as well as a Built-in kickstand for easily positioning the device while working or enjoying videos.
Resources:
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en...//www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_surface-5082.php
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Microsoft-Surface-RT_id7181
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgEabHck3Gg - Surface VS. iPad VS. Nexus 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmxqm8Qii-E - Review
Apple iPad 4
16 GB = $499
32 GB = $599
64 GB = $699
(Cellular Service enabled models also available for additional cost)
OS = Apple IOS 6
Dimensions = 274.6 x 172 x 9.4 mm (10.81 x 6.77 x 0.37 in)
Weight = 680.4 g (1.50 lb)
Display = 9.70 "/ 2048-by-1536 / 264ppi / LED-backlit IPS - Retina Display
Processor = Dual-core Apple A6X @1.4 GHz
Memory = 1GB RAM
Storage = 16/32/64 GB
Camera = Front - 5 MP, 2592 x 1944 pixels,
Rear - 1.2 MP
Video Recording @[email protected]
Battery Life Expectancy =
Standard battery, Li-Po 11,560 mAh (42.5 Wh) Up to 10 h
The iPad is an extremely popular device that is very well integrated with the Apple IOS and the "user-friendly" Apple eco system. Combine that with the fact there are hundeds of thousands of third party application and hardware developments that enhance this devices experience and you have a very compelling piece of equipment. It is evident though that the market for this device can be very appealing to some but may not accommodate the technological desires of individuals (other than apple developers) who wish to have the freedom to customize, control, and expand with their device beyond what is proprietary to apple. In the realm of marketing, the strategy that Apple employs is brilliant in regard to its devices and proprietary components. This trend is detrimental to consumerism though. One major drawback to the iPad is the price tag one must pay to own such a premier device. For that same price, you can buy a device such as the Nexus 10 that has twice the storage at that price point and arguably better hardware/software features in many areas.
Resources:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/overview/http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_ipad_4_wi_fi-5072.php
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Apple-iPad-4_id7547 - Review
Conclusions:
Between the three with true HD display (iPad, TF700, Nexus), one has to question how noticeable the difference actually is in casual viewing experiences. Without close scrutiny, it is difficult to notice enough of a difference to eliminate any of the three due to display quality. The law of diminishing returns comes to mind when comparing the viewing experience between them.
It is worth noting that the iPad generally received slightly better reviews in the realm of graphics and on screen image quality.
Also the Surface was dismissed from competition during the weigh-ins when it comes to display.
It is my determination that the iPad falls short because it lacks the dynamic nature of other alternatives while being more expensive, less compatible to other Eco-systems, and at times inferior in the realm of software/hardware features. I will add though that there is something to be said for the stability of the iPad and the IOS integration. Probably the smoothest overall graphical user interface experience among this group of devices.
While being a prospective future pioneer in the tablet market, the surface falls short in my eyes ddue to lack of apps, ancient display, and no real appeal currently other than the Windows OS that has yet to be proven on a tablet. Time will tell and I am interested to see the business and enterprise implications of a portable tablet windows environment.
I think the Nexus 10 does win out Spec for Spec, however in terms of functionality, the TF700 may have a slight competitive edge because of the dock and additional ports. The cameras on the Infinity are also the best among the mentioned tablets.
There are other topics of consideration not covered here such as Bluetooth 4.0 compatibility and included / native software. None should be deal makers or breakers in any direction but please feel free to recommend improvements/corrections to this comparison.
Just got my new T200. Seems very fast. Good in the hand. Translucent notifications etc in stock launcher under 4.2.2. Will report back on battery life.
bazabaza said:
Just got my new T200. Seems very fast. Good in the hand. Translucent notifications etc in stock launcher under 4.2.2. Will report back on battery life.
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Hi,
Does the phone have notification LED?
tykkym said:
Hi,
Does the phone have notification LED?
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Yes it has a small red led that appears to flash on messages and battery status.
battery life- just got 25hours normally use with WIFI/ data on continuously.GPS seems slow like all chinese phones. 6 inch screen but soft buttons seem to takes up too much room really although you can hide them.Clear speakers. Will continue to post as I test
Recharge 2 hours and 15 minutes on stock charger
Antutu reports 27253 - although with th recent relevations of manufacturers tweeking Antutu I wouldn't be suprised if this is inaccurate.As rear camera is reported as 18.2 mp!
Hope to read your review soon
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Hope to read your review soon
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Yes ill post it soon
can report battery life seems to have improved, now at 50% when at this point it had run out. Also GPS is much better (after initial slow start) than my Cubot A6589 or my wifes M6589.
Picks up wifi straight away no issues.
have also noticed that this model supports wifi updates. Hopefully this mean no more messing about with SP tools etc.Still deciding weather to root yet,
I can confirm
THL T200 Smartphone Highlight:
- 6 inch Corning Gorilla Glass 3 (has a screen protector already applied + a spare), 1920 x 1080 pixel display
- Support 3G network: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz WCDMA 850/2100MHz
- MTK6592W, Cortex-A7 Octa core,1.7GHz (ANTUTU say MTK6592H?)
- 13MP back camera + 8MP front camera strangely ANTUTU says front camera is 18MP suspect manufacturer fiddling?
- 2GB RAM + 32GB ROM (translates as 5.77GB internal storage and 22.07GB phone storage
- Android 4.2.2
from thl site - claims "THL T200 equipped with the latest operating system, redesigned more than 300 commonly used icons, adding more humane business functions, such as security center, intelligent notification management, meeting memos, work more convenient and more efficient want to have a multi-efficient." - nope look bog standard to me
Yet to test OTG and NFC function
Band: 2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
3G: WCDMA 850/2100MHz
Sim Card: Dual SIM Card Dual Standby(one micro-sim card)
OS: Android 4.2
CPU: MTK6592W, Cortex-A7 Octa core, 1.7GHz
GPU: Mali-450
RAM: 2GB
Service Provide: Unlocked
Display Size: 6 Inch
Type: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
Resolution: 1920 x 1080 pixels, 441 PPI
Screen Color: 16000K Colors
Camera/Picture Resolution: Dual Cameras, front camera 8.0MP Sony IMX111, back camera 13.0MP with flashlight Sony IMX135 and auto focus, support 1080P video record
THL T200 Smartphone Basic Function
Audio File Format: MP3/WAV/AMR/AWB
Video File Format: 3GP/MPEG4
Image File Format: JPEG/BMP/GIF/PNG/GIF
E-book Format: TXT/CHM/DOC/HTML
FM Radio: Yes, earphone needed (works well)
Input: Handwrite/Keypad
WIFI: Yes, 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.0
Gravity Sensor: Yes
Multi-Touch: Yes, 5 point touch
Ringtones Type: Polyphonic/MP3
Earphone Port: 3.5mm
Data transfer: USB/Bluetooth
Mobile internet: WAP/WIFI
Phonebook: 1000
Message: SMS/MMS
GPS: Yes, built in, also support A-GPS With EPO assistance to speed up postioning
Multi -language
OTG works straight out of the box. no need for extraneous apps.
Mobile phone is too big, need two hands.
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OTG works straight out of the box. no need for extraneous apps.
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Looking forward to your review,where did you buy the phone at? Have seen some sites,where they seem to
sell fake THL T200.
stone age said:
Looking forward to your review,where did you buy the phone at? Have seen some sites,where they seem to
sell fake THL T200.
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Fake T200? now there is a thing...chinese manufacturers faking chinese phones! Mind you Thl is very popular in china with apparently over 300 stores.
Got mine from Thl: www.thlmobilestore.com
I have also used Geekbuying (geekbuying.com) as well, never had a problem with what they have sold me, sites a bit inaccurate though (fake Antutu screen shots etc) but thats the norm for chinese sites in my experience, so you have to do your research.
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Mobile phone is too big, need two hands.
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Suggest the T100 then basically the same except 5 inch screen.
Benchmark 41.8 in Epic Citadel at 1920x1080 performance level = "High Quality"
bazabaza said:
Fake T200? now there is a thing...chinese manufacturers faking chinese phones! Mind you Thl is very popular in china with apparently over 300 stores.
Got mine from Thl: www.thlmobilestore.com
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I am also in this website to buy THL T100S.
I received the ThL T200 a few days ago and I have been using it as my main phone.The T200 is a pleasure to use. It has a six inch screen and coming from my previous cubot A6589 (5.7 inch) it does seem much bigger in the hand. however I did own a N9776 and of course I could be getting used to big phones. i'm getting on a bit in years, and I find that smaller screens seem too small for me without my reading glasses!
The design of the T200 follows a common design format for Chinese phones with its black or white back cover and crome trim. The left and right boarder is about 3 mm wide with the usual wider top and bottom boarders.Ear phone jack and micro USB is unusually set into the top edge, In most phones the bottom boader contains the home button etc, but the T200 follows a tablet layout with soft keys taking up the bottom of the screen. You can hide it though so you can free up real estate on the main screen.Power button is on the left with the volume rocker on the right of the phone.The top boarde contains the sensors as usual with a small red LED notification light which illuminates on messgaes, missed calls etc and when requiring or when being charged. chaging to green when sufficient battery power is there.Like the T100S when the disply is off the display blends with surrounding bezels.
The display is a very good 1930 x 1080 full HD resolution. Colour seems good as is brightness of the display. Like the T100S it has a density of 441 pixels per inch, so the screen is sharp and clear. Its not the best Ive seen but at this price it seems a bargin.
The MTK6592 is an octo-core A7 at 1.7 Ghz which certainly moves along at a good pace. I got over 27000 on Antutu although with the recent issues with manufacturers either doctoring read outs or making the OS recognise when Antutu is running, this might be a little misleading but it is certainly in line with other scores Ive seen out there.
For Epic Citadel, the T200 consistently managed 41.8 frames per second (fps) on the High Quality setting. its also quite good considering the GPU is the Mali-450 which isn't the best out there but again I feel one has to take into account the price difference.
I haven't tested the CPU yet but Gary Sims on android Authority has tested the T100S
http://www.androidauthority.com/octa-core-thl-t100s-review-327578/
The battery is a 2500 mAh which for me has given about 1 day 12 hours of normal use (WIFI and data continuously on, phones, bit of film watching and games)so far although it might need some more bedding in. Like the T100S it has a option to limit CPU activity to lengthen battery life. tried both (one charge with it on and one off) and it doesn't seem to make much difference.
2GB RAM + 32GB ROM (translates as 5.77GB internal storage and 22.07GB phone storage
The camera is a 13 mp back camera and the front is 8 mp. Its good but I have seen better, but again you get what you pay for and for general use both cameras are more than adequate.
The phone has OTG which works straight out of the box mounting the drive instantaneously. It also has NFC I haven;t tested this but if it is like its twin the T100S then it should work well.
Overall then the THL T200 is a very good phone in my opinion for the price.It has its weak points but considering the price differential I feel its worthy of consideration.
Thanks for the review. I am still deciding whether to get this phone or Zopo 990+
Nice review.I am also considering the Zopo 990+ because I Would like to have 3G:WCDMA900/1900/2100MHz
The carrier(in Sweden) I have,use both 900Mhz and 2100Mhz I haven`t found any Thl T200 with 3GWCDMA 900/1900/2100MHz
The Zopo 990+ for Us $339.99 (This has 3G:WCDMA900/1900/2100MHz)
The Thl T200 for Us $304,99
Both at dhgate.
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stone age said:
Nice review.I am also considering the Zopo 990+ because I Would like to have 3G:WCDMA900/1900/2100MHz
The carrier(in Sweden) I have,use both 900Mhz and 2100Mhz I haven`t found any Thl T200 with 3GWCDMA 900/1900/2100MHz
The Zopo 990+ for Us $339.99 (This has 3G:WCDMA900/1900/2100MHz)
The Thl T200 for Us $304,99
Both at dhgate.
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Yes Im in the UK so could go for the slightly cheaper option
I got mine in today, been playing around a bit, very nice new toy, I'm impressed with the performance so far.
For those who are interested: It seems to have a form of CWM recovery mode, just keep volume-up pressed while switching the phone on. The power button works as a back button, the vol-up as the 'confirm' button and the vol-down scrolls the menu.
Options available are:
Reboot system now
apply update from ADB
apply update from sdcard
apply update from cache
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
backup user data
restore user data
StefanHamminga said:
I got mine in today, been playing around a bit, very nice new toy, I'm impressed with the performance so far.
For those who are interested: It seems to have a form of CWM recovery mode, just keep volume-up pressed while switching the phone on. The power button works as a back button, the vol-up as the 'confirm' button and the vol-down scrolls the menu.
Options available are:
Reboot system now
apply update from ADB
apply update from sdcard
apply update from cache
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
backup user data
restore user data
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yes found that. Got a bit confused on how it worked until i realised the + button selects.
Review Video:
Specs:
5.5" inch capacitive 5-Point Multi Touch Screen
Display 1080x1920 pixel resolution - FULL HD Display, IPS, OGS (?)
Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 MSM8926 Quad-Core @1.2GHz
GPU: Adreno 305
Android 4.4.2 KitKat
2GB RAM / 16GB of internal memory - TF-card support
Tribandband, unlocked, 3G / UMTS / HSDPA+ / WCDMA / 4G LTE
2G GSM - 900/1800/1900MHz
3G WCDMA - 850/ 900/1900/2100MHz
4G FDD-LTE B3/B7 - 1800/2600MHz
Wifi, Bluetooth, GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS & BEIDOU, g-sensor, proximity sensor, light sensor
OTA - Firmware update over the air feature (?)
Main camera: 13 MP output, autofocus, LED flash, F?.?
Front camera: 2MP output, F?.?
2500mAh battery
Dual Sim - Dual Standby
Weight: 178g / 8.72mm thick
Camera test pictures / Geekbench 3 battery test to be found on my blog: http://colonelzap.blogspot.de/2015/05/viewsonic-v500-review-4g-lte-full-hd.html
Can it be rooted and updated to Lollipop or CM?
You have the reason, what hapenned with the scene? I want lolli pop or Android M minimal in a future.
Some people say it can be rooted and stuff, but still no Lollipop
Rooted
Hi I just root it with king root 4.1 in the device only. Try it twice and no problem. Don't have any idea about lollipop ROM
Please tell me if this phone is good for everyday use, camera and software quality? Any good for gaming?
LoneWolfSK said:
Please tell me if this phone is good for everyday use, camera and software quality? Any good for gaming?
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It's pretty much ok for everyday usage and more, but for the gaming is not. It can run more than just basic games but do not expect 3D excitement.
OTG support ?
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OTG support ?
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OTG doesn't work for me!
Few other disadvantages:
No software updates
Scratchy noise in audio recording
Buggy UI
Rear speaker emits very high frequencies without any bass
Display in nice but the touch screen is not very accurate
Camera is just basic
Missing basic features such as "kill all in task manager", "three finger slide to screenshot", "multi-choice option in lockscreen", etc.
V500 seems very hot in russia.
Any custom roms?
yes there are few roms, one in needrom.com and other in taiwanrom in facebook with htc sense..good roms and good phone..
Lollipop?
Not yet but son i think so. That guys of taiwanrom are working hard un many devices. Now i have miui 6 working fine. Made by taiwanrom
Based on 4.4 right?
Both SIM-Slots for 4G/3G?
Can both SIM-Slots be used for 4G/3G?
If not, which SIM-Slot is capable for 4G/3G and which SIM-Slot is only capable for 2G?
Thank you in advance.
1st slot can go 3/4g and the second is 2g only
For price 95 euro in China , very good phone (after 24h use). Dont feel like 2Gb phone, buggy UI.
But, I like : very good IPS display 400ppi , 5.5in , Removable batery 2500mAh, 2sim cards, 16Gb, look like 200euro phone .
Buggy UI can be altered by installing Nova launcher but the rest of the phone is too laggy even for surfing the web, not to mention any serious gaming, multitasking or photo/video shooting. No Lollipop, no OTA, no use buying it. Instead of giving 95$ for a device that is only good for Viber/Whatsapp and 2D, you would be better off with a Samsung Galaxy S3 which is still a good phone, way better than the ViewSonic in terms of surfing, gaming, software and autonomy
Display is perfect, 400ppi ( my opinion) . My dother is on youtube, games for girls work perfect. Only voice on telefone is little low