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Over the past 2 years I have had 3 separate and different mobile phones. Each with their own problems.
1st a htc hero which had many problems , not anything which needed it sending back but things such as push call and it wouldn't call anyone for 5 mins then place 15 calls to that person. Not sending texts and dropping calls.
2nd a htc desire hd , got the day of release , sent back 4 separate times. Faulty phone which drained the battery dry in 3 hours even when not using it . Another twice for the phone dying and not switching on. And then a problem with the screen not displaying anything aswell as each time taking a photo it would switch the phone off.
3rd and finally the iPhone 4 which I have had for 2 months , and granted to software is a lot more stable than android (and more boring even when jailbroken) but even this phone has a fault with the light sensor so the screen dosnt re illuminate when making a call.
Is it just my bad luck or as phones are packed with more gizmos and gadgets are they becoming less reliable? Because as you can see here the more advanced the phone gets the more issues arise. Now I'm not complaining i think even with the faults there is no way I could live without a smartphone.
Any comments or are other people feeling this way ?
no, in our environment where broadband and instant gratification has become so pervasive our expectations have risen ... sometimes to unrealistic levels
Bummer...fortunately I've had no big issues with my last 3 HTC devices!
I think they're generally just as reliable as before, which is to say not very reliable at all. There's not enough testing and quality control and, as ever, new technology is constantly replacing the old before the old is ever perfected. That applies to both hardware and software where it seems every iteration brings a new set of problems.
Also consider how much more frequently they are used as opposed to the days of the Nokia 33** phones, voice only, no such thing as texting or data.
The more features you have the more these is to go wrong...
omgjosho said:
Also consider how much more frequently they are used as opposed to the days of the Nokia 33** phones, voice only, no such thing as texting or data.
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This.
Or it is probably your luck
From reading your post, I'd say the majority of the problems lies within the user. It's like giving an inexperienced 18yo a classic Ferrari and expect the kid to know on how to properly take care of it. Maybe it's the case of TOO much technology for one to handle rather than phones becoming more unreliable. Funny how I've had about 4-5 phones in the last 2yrs and none have gone in for repair.
All phones now are unreliable crap. . . . All the way from beyond garbage software that needs to be changed to for even daily use(that is why this community exists), to junk hardware.
Windows 7 < enough said
As an ex-Android and WinMob user I can only agree, phones are unreliable ... and lets be honest, they have been for more than a couple of years!
The problem as I see it with OS's like WinMob and Android - they are written to be "everything to everyone". They are then customised either with drivers or a front end or both by a manufacturer and this is where the weak points come in.
Why do you think IOS and WinPho7 are far more stable? Because they are closed environments with restrictions to hardware access/low level coding. Because of this its much harder to introduce unstable code.
I am now a Winpho 7 owner and I cannot express here just how happy I am with its stability. OK, it *currently* doesn't do everything Android and WinMob do but what it does do, it does reliably
How embarrasing was it when you went to give a friend a phone number and your "contacts" would lock up or, you try to make a phone call and nothing happens or, you don't get phone calls ... only to find out your phone had locked up!
Reliability is now 100% key for me.
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Also consider how much more frequently they are used as opposed to the days of the Nokia 33** phones, voice only, no such thing as texting or data.
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dont be rediculous.
I've been using phones as "modems" for years, probably actually thinking about, over a decade! As as for "no such thing as texting"......
jordanprudent said:
Over the past 2 years I have had 3 separate and different mobile phones. Each with their own problems.
1st a htc hero which had many problems , not anything which needed it sending back but things such as push call and it wouldn't call anyone for 5 mins then place 15 calls to that person. Not sending texts and dropping calls.
2nd a htc desire hd , got the day of release , sent back 4 separate times. Faulty phone which drained the battery dry in 3 hours even when not using it . Another twice for the phone dying and not switching on. And then a problem with the screen not displaying anything aswell as each time taking a photo it would switch the phone off.
3rd and finally the iPhone 4 which I have had for 2 months , and granted to software is a lot more stable than android (and more boring even when jailbroken) but even this phone has a fault with the light sensor so the screen dosnt re illuminate when making a call.
Any comments or are other people feeling this way ?
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It beggars belief that people are saying that these are YOUR fault and the way you use it.... unless of course you decided to throw it on the floor (which i doubt!)
So all those "its your fault" people, how would he/we break a light sensor or stop the screen switching on? Seriously .. would love to hear this!
DirkGently1 said:
I think they're generally just as reliable as before, which is to say not very reliable at all. There's not enough testing and quality control and, as ever, new technology is constantly replacing the old before the old is ever perfected. That applies to both hardware and software where it seems every iteration brings a new set of problems.
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Would have to 100% agree with this! Too much rush, not enough QA.
no, in our environment where broadband and instant gratification has become so pervasive our expectations have risen ...
Monty Burns said:
dont be rediculous.
I've been using phones as "modems" for years, probably actually thinking about, over a decade! As as for "no such thing as texting"......
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I'm hardly being ridiculous. It's common sense. If you leave your car in the garage 6 days out of the week and only drive it on Saturday, the probability of failure is significantly lower than if you were to commute daily. There are a number of factors involved: mechanical failure and accidental damage being two examples.
The same could be said of cell phones - when they had less function than the phones of today, there were fewer points of failure and a lower probability that it would occur.
Just because you may be the exception to the rule does not change the rule. Assuming that is ridiculous.
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I'm hardly being ridiculous. It's common sense. If you leave your car in the garage 6 days out of the week and only drive it on Saturday, the probability of failure is significantly lower than if you were to commute daily. There are a number of factors involved: mechanical failure and accidental damage being two examples.
The same could be said of cell phones - when they had less function than the phones of today, there were fewer points of failure and a lower probability that it would occur.
Just because you may be the exception to the rule does not change the rule. Assuming that is ridiculous.
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I wasn't refering to the complexity=failability, couldn't agree more!
I was refering to the fact that you suggest that people didn't text or use mobiles as modems, of course we did.. The only diference was that we had a modem cable and proprietry dialer! I even setup an NT4 RAS server for our company...
and texting? Your seriously suggesting texting is a "new" craze....? I might suggest the exception to the rule might be you.
I was referencing the period before SMS was an available service, actually. So you're missing the point.
And the majority of people were not setting up their cell phones as modems on NT4, so you are still missing the point and bordering irrelevancy.
Regarding SMS... I sent my first text message before making my first mobile call...
Regarding reliability, my previous phones (roughly £100 dumb phones) were all useless.
Friend has LG cookie. Worst, least reliable phone known to man.
Hero? Used it heavily for 16 months out of my 18 month contract, and still not seen anything that takes my fancy to replace it comes May...
Best, most reliable phone has been the most recent one.
For those who complain of a device's speed, just whip up a custom rom and optimise it.
Never had any speed issues on my own ROMS... had plenty in others
omgjosho said:
I was referencing the period before SMS was an available service, actually. So you're missing the point.
And the majority of people were not setting up their cell phones as modems on NT4, so you are still missing the point and bordering irrelevancy.
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I'm guessing your in the USA where adoption of digital networks was far slower (and later) than in the UK (and probably Europe?).
Texts have been an integral part of mobiles since well before your Nokia 33xx models i.e. before 2000.
For example, my first mobile was on Hutchinson Telecom (now Orange) back in 1995 Linky
And do you even know what NT4 RAS was? You wouldn't put a mobile on it! You would use a Win95/98 client to dial into it ... usualy from the laptop with its modem i.e. cellphone! Here in London it was common place for IT support to carry this kind of setup around. IT people were some of the first to take advantage of digital networks.... for this very reason. (Yes you could do it over analogue but it was easily monitored)
So, as we are going to labour a pointless point, why on earth do you think texts are a relatively new thing!? Maybe in the states it is but not here in Europe and certainly not in the UK!
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ahh yeah there we go "Location: Livermore, CA" of course, the rest of the world doesn't exist does it...
There's no point debating with someone who's failing to read.
I never once said that texting was a new thing. You put those words into my mouth, and I'm yet to agree with you about that.
Regardless, let me know when you're ready to actually discuss the topic, sans tossing out insults and making assumptions about what I do and do not know
Just over a week ago I saw three used Docomo HTC HT-01a phones (Raphael 100) for sale in a used electronics shop for 2000 yen. That's about $20. I've been successful in getting Linux and Android to run on all sorts of things so I thought I would see what I could do with one.
Luckily for me there was already a rom in development.
The first thing I had to do was flash the bootloader. That was pretty easy using the ActiveSync software. Then I downloaded the Windows Mobile 6.1 English Rom from HTC. I tried out a few other custom roms but really the one from HTC was the best I just needed English instead of Japanese.
The new Rom was able to connect to Docomo and everything set up nicely.
Then I came back to XDA to get Android roms.
I tried 2.1 first and it didn't work so well. If the phone fell asleep it would not wake back up. If I tried to make a call the call would only last for about 30 seconds until the phone would quit on me. On top of that I would actually have to take the battery out to reboot the phone. Also, if I plugged in the charger the phone would be fine, but if I unplugged the charger it would crash.
Then I tried the FRX06 and it was much better but not that much. The phone could do some things and I could actually make a call. I set up Skype and Sipdroid to turn the phone into a wifi house phone for my son and things seemed ok. But it required care, a lot of care. I basically had to look after the phone. If I didn't use App Killer and do something with the phone about every 20 minutes then it would crash.
A couple of days ago I put in the FRX07 and this is a huge improvement. The phone can now basically last all day and won't crash. It still needs to be plugged in frequently but I guess thems the breaks. Skype and Sipdroid both work well but they seem to work best if only one is running at the same time. Also the official Skype from the market is broken so I went to Freewarelovers to get the old skype and it works fine. Don't use anything after 1.0.0.84. All the 2.0's are broken.
Anyway, FRX07 really seems to be a winner. I went one whole day using only this as my main phone and it gave me no problems besides wanting lots of energy. I didn't have to reboot or fall back to WM 6.1 for anything. I did have to be patient when looking up a few things on the internet or using the new app but it was still faster then WM would have been. I did find that it functioned better if I turned off animations and streamlined the homescreen.
Now I just wish that I could replace WM completely with Android or at least install android onto the internal memory and have the full use of the SD card. I seems like there is enough memory for that but I may be wrong.
Also, it looks like the screen turns off when I hit the power button, but I think the OS still thinks its on. It still gets hot and uses more power than it should. I don't know exactly what's going on there. I'm more of a hardware guy than a software guy so I noticed. It isn't a big deal but that might be where the battery is going.
Anyway, thanks to the new rom I now have a $20 wifi phone for my house and a second phone in case my Xperia X10 ever dies on me.
Thanks a bunch to the developers.
Have you tried Gingerbread alpha yet? The panel collapse code is still being worked on; the system just turn the display to "0" instead of "off". Will require a devs expertise to get this working. At any rate, there is more in the TP android threads and it seems arrrghhh is quite the tester and occasional team player from time to time. Can't blame him for being upset at the noobs as well as me sometimes. There are still some issues for our device that are still being worked out and others that are being looked over. Glad you got around to checking FRX07 out and that it works for you. Some haven't had that luxury yet and others are still lost in the abyss. Give it a once over if you'd like to get a preview of gingerbread on your device! It would be recommended to make a backup of your microSD IF you have a good configuration.
Thanks. I'll check out the 2.3 when I get a chance. So far the most use the phone gets is when my son watches Thomas the Tank Engine videos or plays a Thomas game. He's almost four but has already figured out how to do that!
Well, I've been using my Oneplus since a pretty long time, and I decided to list all the issues I have since I got it. It's pretty long so stay sitted.
- Ghost touches on touchscreen.
- Touch screen becoming suddently unresponsive.
- Never could manually select my carrier.
- Never could connect to carrier network.
- Never could download MMS.
- Never could connect to LTE/4G, even though the APN was correctly set up.
- Camera freezes randomly.
- Phone keeps waking up for no reason (the touch to wake keeps getting triggered, certainly a ghost touch issue).
- Photos are pretty bad, stabilisation sucks.
- Call app keeps randomly crashing, only solution to use it again is to reboot the phone.
- Messages app keeps randomly crashing, only solution to use it again is to reboot the phone.
- Random system crashes (something similar to a segfault somewhere in the UI management code).
- High battery drain (I mean, REALLY high, like, "a full battery in half a day" high !).
- SMS sending/receiving fails very often.
- GPS fixe is unreliable, it keeps draging my position over the whole town and never settles.
- Compass is unreliable, according to it, I keep spinning around, even after a recalibration.
I guess that's about it, I am missing some, but that's already pretty long.
I tried everything and made a clean install after each update to be sure, and the problems kept on adding onto each others.
The only thing that could explain that could be very poor build quality and Cyanogen mod's team incompetence (yeah, these guys really can't code properly, putting their ROM on the phone was a big mistake from OnePlus).
I would like to precise that I treated the phone very well, it never fell down, it doesn't even have a little scratch. It really feels like using one of those counterfeit phones, even though I got it from the official online store.
How many of these issues did you have ? And if you did, how did you fixe it (if you could ever fixe them) ?
There's something pretty wrong with your phone, it shouldn't act like that. You need to provide some more information.
What build are you on?
Is your bootloader unlocked?
Do you have a custom recovery?
Have you modified it in any way?
What was the last update you took and how did you apply it?
I have similar things happening to mine.
I've treated it well with no major damage to the phone.
After having it from a year and a month I've noticed that it's started. I've updated normally through OTA to CM12.1-YOG4PAS1N0.
Never rooted ( really considering it now, was very lazy haha ), never customised just kept all stock.
The problems I am having that really are concerning me :
- Very high battery drain (doesn't last 4-5 hours at most).
- Very high CPU usage (and hence the phone getting quite hot) thought it was the google play services bug, didn't change when I applied the changes.
- SMS taking a while to send (between 1.5~2 minutes for a message to send).
I'm thinking of factory restoring my phone, just want to find something decent to back my important data up (e.g. sms, some app data) [anyone welcome to suggest anything, I'm still looking].
If I factory reset I will post any results of what happens.
As I've stated in another forum thread started by the above user, I have had a lot of the aformentioned problems and worse.
We've both described our issues in that thread and as I've stated I'm growing so weary. I had my PC fail on me last year and spent all year chasing warranties and RMA's and having to coax companies, who are legally bound to do what I am having to beg and threaten before they do it. Then this year I get a defective OnePlus One and One Plus themselves ignore, deflect, delay and misdirect me. I've had the phone 10 months now and I've been complaining and fighting for 6 months with the above problems and I was only just offered an RMA (or RRR as they call it) this month. That's 6 months of begging, pleading and then demanding. Safe to say I have sought third party legal advice and will be taking this as far as it can go.
I would make contact with them as soon as you can regarding these issues or they will only use that against you.
All right. Let me start by saying I've had this phone since it first came out and until very recently it's been a great device for me. Yes I have the T-Mobile US version with a locked bootloader, which sucks as far as ROMS etc. go. Yes its GPS can be less than reliable occasionally thanks to issues with Lollipop, which we're stuck with. But everything else it did just great. The battery life was one of my favorite things about it- if I started a day with 60% it would be just fine.
Until about a month ago. About a month ago, the phone developed this <sarcasm>neat trick</sarcasm> where it would get really hot and burn through about ten percent of its battery or more in ten minutes or less.
My initial thought is that I'd have to wipe the phone and start from scratch (followed closely by rooting and loading up an Android Nougat ROM, but we all know how that's worked out for the D6616 ). But I'd really like to avoid wiping if at all possible.
Here are my working theories, let me know what you think I should do to further diagnose:
Some New App is Responsible- The obvious candidate. I installed GSam Battery Monitor to look into this, hoping to find an obvious culprit to delete. Sadly the only apps using more than 2% are whatever app I've been actively using with the screen on, Android System, Kernel (Android OS), and Google Services. I uninstalled a bunch of unneccesary apps anyway, but it didn't improve things very much.
The New York Subway System - Stay with me here, it's not entirely a joke. I live in New York City and recently all of the stations had cell service and wifi activated on underground platforms, but not between stations. So when I ride the train (a significant chunk of my day as I freelance work in clients' homes) I'm going in and out of service constantly. And things do tend to improve when I turn on airplane mode when I get on a train. But not a lot. And the overheating and battery sucking behavior does happen sometimes when I'm aboveground.
The Battery Itself- This is the one I'm most worried about because the fix just sucks. The phone is now over three years old, and I do use it pretty much every day, only turning it off at night or when I'm traveling abroad. That's a long time for a lithium battery. My understanding is that near the end of their lives, they do overheat and lose charge quickly after a while. Since this is a waterproof phone and I'm in the US, I'd have to ship it to Sony for 2-3 weeks a repair if I want to keep it's waterproofing abilites (I do). I'm betting that's not cheap. My real hesistation with this one though, is that my phone is about as old as most other people's on here, so if this were the case, I'd expect a ton of users here or on T-Mobile's forum to be complaining about the same problems. I haven't looked closely but I haven't seen many people with this problem.
So that's where I am. Any ideas? Things I should try out to get more info? I'd really like to solve this, and I'd bet figuring out on here would help others in a similar position. Thanks!
Managed to get some relief by wiping the phone. Didn't restore it to the good old days of 60%-in-the-morning-no-problem-all-day, but was decent. But now it's come up again. I can and will wipe the phone again if I have to but if there's a more elegant solution someone has found over the past 10 months or so, I'd love to hear about it.
Thought I'd solved it when the sd card died and I wiped/replaced that. But then it started having the same problems a few weeks later on a new card. I wiped the phone and the SD next and I'm still having issues. Heck, I've even had it heat up while in TWRP recovery mode, so I'm pretty sure we're looking at a hardware issue.
My first instinct would be the battery but according to the internal temp sensors, the battery isn't that hot (39 or so C). The CPU on the other hand is getting very, very hot (spikes to 72 degrees C). This tallies with what I feel on the phone looking at diagrams of the innards: the hot part is about a third of the way down from the top of the phone, where the CPU is.
Any idea what bit would have to be replaced to fix this?
I'm sure I'll get some haters, who think I am simply nuts but this is a REAL problem that I've got to solve.
For the last 6 years I've had a mysterious stalker and hacker, who renders most of my and my family's devices nonfunctional and breaks into my accounts and generally makes my life much harder. It has recently come to light that it isn't a hacker SINGULAR but at least 3 guys, hellbent on destroying me: my daughter's father, her uncle, who is a military hacker and their friend, who managed to ingratiate himself with me, until my daughter's father confessed, when I confronted him with evidence against him and his brother, saying he didn't mean for it to get this out of hand. Well, thanks for the heads up but it's a little late, because it IS this out of hand and the wheels of justice grind slowly.
Meanwhile, I am still hacked, even worse now, because his brother got out of the military and moved back to town and has a lot more time and access now. Calls and texts are being intercepted so frequently, that I now use Google Voice/Hangouts to communicate, knowing that nothing I say is ever private but at least people get my messages and I get their calls that way.
I'm looking for a job and I need a device that he won't be able to spy on, so I went to Best Buy and purchased a phone card and moderately priced android phone and took it home to resume my job hunt. I planned never to call any of my usual contacts with the phone but just use it for work stuff. Within hours, it was acting buggy and when I restarted it, it did not go to the regular black screen that says "your device is encrypted for security" but showed my regular background and said "please enter your password when starting android". On my note 8 and 9, that would often happen and when I went to security options, secure startup would be disabled. I checked and secure startup was still supposedly enabled. In ADB "adb shell getprop ro.crypto.state" returned "unencrypted".
I returned the phone and purchased a Google Pixel, hoping their physical security device MIGHT be more effective than Knox at protecting me from this guy. I purchased a brand new sim card and spent another 50 bucks on a phone card, from a different company.
Since my daughter's father has moved within a half-mile of me (despite having no contact with her and very little with me) 4 times now, I speculated that he was, perhaps, using a directional yagi antenna to scan my area for new device beacons and then (skip forward a few steps) find out what apps are installed on those devices, to determine if they are mine. With that in mind, I never even turned the Pixel on at my house.
That night, I took the phone to a random emergency room with secure wifi, to which I know the password and proceeded to set it up. I made a new google account, as usual and installed a bunch of random apps, such as black dating apps (since I am white, I figured that, if my theory was right, it might throw them off my scent) and games I would never play and apps for banks of which I am not a member. By the first time I restarted the phone, still at the emergency room, it had the exact same problem. It purported to be encrypted but (adb later verified) it was not. Apparently, the cheap phone faired slightly better than the pixel, in this department, because the first one was reencrypted upon reset, while the Pixel was not. I never activated or inserted a sim card in the pixel and while I had my regular phone and tablet along with me, they were powered off, in the car.
I was pretty sure, after the first phone was compromised, that I was onto something with my beacon frame theory but it would not explain what happened at the emergency room, unless there is a tracking device in my car, which IS likely, because I continually find my car torn up in all sorts of ways. They even broke off the panel on the driver's door with lock and window switches and the lid of my center console and I continually find the carpet pulled away from the trim. Then again, they also put something caustic in the wiper fluid tank, which destroyed both tank and windshield, so it could also have all been done simply out of malice.
Having no better ideas, I ran a bug detector over my car and found that there IS a radio signal being emitted from somewhere around the gearshift or cd player. I took apart the area around the gearshift and found nothing. In that department, the only remaining possibility is that they've actually put something inside of the cd player itself, the screen of which quit working a while back. I have the ribbon cable to fix it, so maybe I'll get lucky when I crack it open in a bit. The signal DOES appear strongest at the CD player but it could be anything, even catalytic converters can emit radio signals.
Assuming my bug theory is wrong, does anyone have any other idea of how these guys could have discovered and hacked those phones? I've got to find a way to evade these people or I'll never have anything like a normal life, until they're finally in jail.
Wow!
I have not heard of such hacks, even when it comes to national security.
What is the motive of these three people ?
I have no clue but with there skill in not sure an iphone would fare much better