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ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.
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God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.
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LMAO ...
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markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.
POQbum said:
Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.
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thanks, never meant to start an industrial-strength stupid thread. guess i was just wondering how long developers would be around pumping out new material, and whether or not people more experienced than me wouild be around for my gallacically stupid questions and such.
thanks for your answers
mark
We are getting a great dev coming from the og dinc forum. I say stick around for a few more weeks.
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Sorry man, but I read that OP and thought "What is this guy thinking?!?!?" Go back to stock and take whatever Verizon dishes out? I don't grasp the mental process that would conclude that as an option. I don't think interest is waning. I'll check that dipstick after Verizon sells it for free, or close to it, which is usually when sales get real good. Th3ory isn't exactly a benchmark of ROM development either. In fact, cranking out ROMs at a rate of any more than once every month is kinda unusual. BAMF went nearly 2 months without so much as a revision. Chingy usually goes at least a month. I don't understand what the deal is with Synergy and their goofy nightlies... how much can you tweak something before it's junk? I point to Ziggy's kernels as having exceeded that limit.
I came from the dInc. When I left that device as a primary device I stopped paying much attention to the ROMs for it. Now when I go and look around over there, there's heaps of devs I never heard of (a few with egos WAY too big for their sig), cranking out ROMs of all sorts. I know they hate to admit it over there, but the dInc is DEAD. If you want to see a device that seems dry on interest, visit the dInc2 forums, or some of the Motorola device forums. Or a LOT of forums, really. I don't know where you think devs are going since there isn't actually a better device worth upgrading to on Verizon. And don't say the Bionic; that thing was obsolete almost the day it launched, and the launch of the Inc HD WILL kill it. If you don't think a lot of the dev from that device will trickle down here, may I point you to all the stuff from the EVO 3D that's already made it's way here.
@ loonatik78...
yeah i guess after re-reading my OP it's kind of hard to take seriously. the TB is my first smart phone. never even knew there were forums like this that supported the phone, nor had i even a clue that these things could be rooted and modifed in such a way. certainly glad i googled my way XDA.
support has been wonderful here, and frankly find your posts well worth reading. thanks.
mark
as for going back to stock - well not a chance.
Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.
Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah
When was the Tbolt released, Jan or Feb of this year ? Interest will wane around Spring '13... A lot more people keep their phones for the two years or so that VZW "rewards" than you think. It's been what, six months ? The HTC Eris forum is still going strong, just as an example!
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Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.
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First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.
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sorry, but I'm not the only one having problems with gps on aosp ROMs. It's not just getting a working signal before flashing. Even after doing that and maps finding me ok, most apps that need gps to find you, such as search, gasbuddy, etc, end up placing me at least 2 miles away unless wifi is on.
It's ok, really don't mind sense ROMs. I freeze, uninstall a lot of sense parts and use different launchers. Playing with shell 3d right now.
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Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah
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+1 synergy has nightly and offical builds so flash away.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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built them on winmo, both tp2 and hd2. Just haven't had time to read up enough on android. But if it becomes a necessity, I will find the time.
So its going to be released pretty soon.. what are the odds of the Captivate getting some love?
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/19/in...axy-nexus-and-ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0/
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to go with 'Nil.'
The chances are non existent. It just makes business sense for for these updates to take forever. I do understand there are some hardware issues with the updates but in the end the average consumer is going to purchase a new phone or use their upgrade in order to get the latest os. If they keep updating old phones to the newest stuff people would hold onto their phone longer. I mean, ths is the first phone ive ever owned that I could flash custom roms onto. Before this I was locked into the operating system and whatever user interface was on the phone when I purchased it. If I hadnt found this forum or custom roms I would be frustrated by the lack of gingerbread and probably would have used my upgrade by now.
No hope. Most of the features aside from the UI wont work anyways due to not having the hardware (NFC) or lack of CPU and RAM (Camera features).
Just get a nice theme
they have it up and running on fascinates, as of 5AM this morning
We didnt even get official GB and we want ICS.....lol so greedy we people are...
Hell yeah Well rogers got the official gb , but att, com'on, forget about it.
First, do a little more searching. There is alreadya thread open for this topic.
That said, we will never see an official update. Our only hope of seeing it is from a port, courtesy of a device that does get it, or wait on CyagenMod to start on CM9.
Be patient. It'll be ported eventually.
I find it amazing that somone already has it somewhat running on their fascinate. I guess all the great Cappy dev's have jumped ship
Well, i'd be surprised to see ICS for our captivate. Even if cyanogen mod is getting ICS, i probably won't jump because of the superior call quality and slightly (if not better) battery life on captivate ROMs.
I thought there was some sort of court ruling forcing google to push the same version of android to all phones that were capable. I could be talking out of my ass though.
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First, do a little more searching. There is alreadya thread open for this topic.
That said, we will never see an official update. Our only hope of seeing it is from a port, courtesy of a device that does get it, or wait on CyagenMod to start on CM9.
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Um I did? - and even the XDA board didn't give me the topic yet so meh.
And someone has this starting to run on the Fascinate?? The Captivate is THE phone that seems to get the most love besides the Vibrant for this range of devices.
And I don't care how we get it... as long as someone is able to wedge it into the phone.
You know, it's open source.
Any of you asking for it can take a crack at it
I am seriously inexperienced, but this might be a good start to a programming career..
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I thought there was some sort of court ruling forcing google to push the same version of android to all phones that were capable. I could be talking out of my ass though.
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Nope, not even in the ballpark. Google has no legal obligation to any phone. What you are thinking of is how Google made the main phone produces agree to try harder to keep the phones up to date (up to one and a half years past release aka 18months). But that did not extend to the carriers...
Else they have to stop using the "Android" name and Google's apps
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I find it amazing that somone already has it somewhat running on their fascinate. I guess all the great Cappy dev's have jumped ship
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That's a bit harsh don't you think? The Cappy dev's are some of the best ROM developers for that era of android phones.
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That's a bit harsh don't you think? The Cappy dev's are some of the best ROM developers for that era of android phones.
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not mention i've seen them pretty active in the galaxy nexus forums... might be because they have different priorities right now? once they figure out the newest phone they'll be able to come back and help us?
If you actually go poke around the Fascinate forum there's one guy who claims he has it running but hasn't offered any sort of proof. I think he's just looking for attention, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Saving my money for a Galaxy Nexus
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If you actually go poke around the Fascinate forum there's one guy who claims he has it running but hasn't offered any sort of proof. I think he's just looking for attention, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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If he does have it running, it's the SDK release and it will be slow as molasses.
So, I wouldn't have the first clue on how to get jelly bean on a sidekick. But I hear its a pretty versatile OS. I was wondering if any of you coders thought it would be possible to do?
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So, I wouldn't have the first clue on how to get jelly bean on a sidekick. But I hear its a pretty versatile OS. I was wondering if any of you coders thought it would be possible to do?
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We don't even have GINGERBREAD! This phone will never run Jellybean.
lol... is this a troll or what? We have Froyo = v2.2. We would all love v2.3, v4.0, or v4.1 (jellybean). All of those are POSSIBLE, but no coders have done it. I think it is damn-near-impossible unless we get some Samsung source-code (which I thought I read was released a while back, but either I was mistaken or just nobody has stepped up to the plate yet).
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lol... is this a troll or what? We have Froyo = v2.2. We would all love v2.3, v4.0, or v4.1 (jellybean). All of those are POSSIBLE, but no coders have done it. I think it is damn-near-impossible unless we get some Samsung source-code (which I thought I read was released a while back, but either I was mistaken or just nobody has stepped up to the plate yet).
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We have source, we just don't have any developers.
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We have source, we just don't have any developers.
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Sduvick and windxixi got pretty far into the porting process.
The problem is that while Samsung did indeed release source code to the linux kernel and select other bits, their source drop was a mess. There are a huge number of differences between the SK4G source and stock Froyo kernel source.
Someone who was very familiar with the changes between Froyo and Gingerbread could probably move the process further along. But no one with that knowledge has taken interest in the SK4G, and as time passes any such knowledge wil fade.
It's a shame. I have the money to buy any phone I want, and that is the SK4G. To me, it's ergonomics (keyboard-design / 4-main-hard-buttons) have not been topped by any phone on any carrier at any price.
If I had the time to learn just how to do all the stuff required, I'd gladly spend the time porting JB to the Sidekick.
I was of the impression that not all the driver source had been released
Code wise the device is a trainwreck hahaha
Also, it's not like sduvick, windxixi, or Samsung spent any time commenting their code. There's no documentation to speak of. It's a cluster*@#&*.
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lol... is this a troll or what? We have Froyo = v2.2. We would all love v2.3, v4.0, or v4.1 (jellybean). All of those are POSSIBLE, but no coders have done it. I think it is damn-near-impossible unless we get some Samsung source-code (which I thought I read was released a while back, but either I was mistaken or just nobody has stepped up to the plate yet).
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What a shame. This is a pretty kick ass phone. Thanks for clearing that up for me. And yes, I understand you're making fun of me for asking. But thanks all the same.:crying:
Misleading title :/
Ok, so i know I've been away for A LONG time now, but, bear with me. Instead of put a bounty like most sections do to get 2.3, 4.0 and possibly jellybean, how about we just chip in a SK4G. I know that might be a big give away, but the main reason i didn't think developers where interested in this phone is because,
1) It kinda had barely any advertising, and when it did it was fairly short.
2) It's a budget phone for people that want a smart phone, like me and many others now a days.
3) During the time this came out their where many other big phone being released like the Galaxy S2.
So why don't we try to scout out a developer that can help us with this by offering a SK4G for them to work on, maybe even get this portal worthy as bounty.
I thought with working less hours at my new job, I would have time to help with this, but that just gave the wife more time to give me more work..lol. It just seems like the people who are willing don't have the time and the people that have the time aren't willing.
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I thought with working less hours at my new job, I would have time to help with this, but that just gave the wife more time to give me more work..lol. It just seems like the people who are willing don't have the time and the people that have the time aren't willing.
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And then there's the other type of folks who start. Then the the kangers, trolls, and idiots who spook the devs and they quit. I've gotten over the idea of gb, ics, or jb on this device... fk it, I have better ish to do.
Although I am down to throw a couple bucks towards a dev phone for sure.
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This is my second favorite phone behind the G1 I dropped 15 feet to it's doom. I even thought I would have time to try to build from scratch with my new job, but my wife is keeping me busy and I just don't have time. This is the second time I've been on here in 3 months..the other time was this afternoon..lol. I'm actually due an upgrade and am waiting to see what is coming out this fall.
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And then there's the other type of folks who start. Then the the kangers, trolls, and idiots who spook the devs and they quit. I've gotten over the idea of gb, ics, or jb on this device... fk it, I have better ish to do.
Although I am down to throw a couple bucks towards a dev phone for sure.
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I agree, i kinda gave up hope on anything past GB on this phone. But to be honest, i can see this phone coming back next year because of how popular it was when it did hit the market for the first few months. If they do make a another android sidekick i will be willing to buy it just to see if they worked out the kinks and not make another Frankenstein of a phone. Also i will be willing to throw in some money, and if i have to i can look into providing a Sidekick 4g.
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This is my second favorite phone behind the G1 I dropped 15 feet to it's doom. I even thought I would have time to try to build from scratch with my new job, but my wife is keeping me busy and I just don't have time. This is the second time I've been on here in 3 months..the other time was this afternoon..lol. I'm actually due an upgrade and am waiting to see what is coming out this fall.
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Q3 of phones is basically passed, Q4 nothing major is really coming out besides the rumored Note 2. Other than that right now its Galaxy S3 and One X, which in my eyes the One X might have the S3 beat if we can get the source code for the One X. But other than that, i dont have high expectations for Q4.
I don't see how this phone doesn't have at least gingerbread. I have an HTC hero, and I have been looking at the specs side by side. I have to say it looks, to me at least, that the Sidekick is more capable of running these roms. I have already run ICS on the hero, and it runs nicely. The only reason i can see for not porting these newer roms to the sidekick is simply a lack of users and developers. I think there is less user base for the sidekick than the HTC hero, not to mention the previous incarnations of the sidekick were plagued by issues.
But to close out, I honestly think the sidekick is more than capable of running GB, ICS, and maybe even Jellybean.
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I don't see how this phone doesn't have at least gingerbread. I have an HTC hero, and I have been looking at the specs side by side. I have to say it looks, to me at least, that the Sidekick is more capable of running these roms. I have already run ICS on the hero, and it runs nicely. The only reason i can see for not porting these newer roms to the sidekick is simply a lack of users and developers. I think there is less user base for the sidekick than the HTC hero, not to mention the previous incarnations of the sidekick were plagued by issues.
But to close out, I honestly think the sidekick is more than capable of running GB, ICS, and maybe even Jellybean.
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I actually sold my mytouch 3g slide to get this phone . Like this phone is a big upgrade from it, but Dev wise, not even close. 3g slide has gb , ics and jb . And the specs on that phone are not up there. Kinda makes me want my slide back XP , but hey, I did it for the a/v out , 267 ppi lcd, hummingbird gpu and 1 ghz processor XP
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I wonder if this phone is getting key lime pie..
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Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
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What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.
elister said:
Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
K7Cobb said:
U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox
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lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!
WELL SAID!!!!
Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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Just confused, as it seems T-Mobile users are the last of the providers to get jelly bean, if at all. We had that random security patch a month ago and I thought they were testing jelly bean back around Christmas.
I kind of just lost track and stopped caring for awhile, so excuse me if I have missed some info, but I can't find anything on Google.
So, yeah... Any word from T-Mobile users? We still waiting or is their nothing coming?
Thanks
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As an T-Mobile employee I'm kept in the dark as much as you are, It's sad that they haven't or won't release it or not even give us a estimated release date @ least. I can tell you that this device did not do as well as T-mobile had hoped and is not anywhere near being @ the top of their priority list, so who knows when?!?!?!
f*** it we have jb roms
I have finally grown tired of waiting too. I flashed Root Box 4.2.2 ROM. Running very smooth! I haven't found anything on it that doesn't work!:good:
You mean other then wifi calling?
That is the reason I haven't yet.
I need wifi calling to get service in a area and without it I would go over my minutes.
Sense 5 JB 4.2.1 has been confirmed for the One S... Hell, maybe they figured working out a T-Mobile rom for Sense 4+ and Sense 5 would be pointless and maybe they're waiting for Sense 5.
We have a couple of good Jelly Bean ROMs with everything working so I left Sense behind for good and I've never been happier
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We have a jellybean sticky, please use it. Its purpose is to prevent lots of threads like this popping up.