With rumors of Verizon possibly pushing an OTA update to the S3, I'd like to disable or block this process from occurring. Is there a way to do this without root?
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I too would like to know this. I've uninstalled pretty much all the crap with TB, but I wanna make sure it won't automatically update.
Verizon auto-pushes with no confirmation?
Install apex launcher. Make a shortcut, choose activities and find SDM and choose the one that says defer general. Open the shortcut you just made and it allows you to set a defer update date.
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Verizon auto-pushes with no confirmation?
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I've had my rezound try and auto push updates before. Tell it no, and come back to it in my custom recovery having failed, even though I told it no.
It's illegal to push an OTA and not give you the option to confirm the install. You can always decline.
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sneakysolidbake said:
Install apex launcher. Make a shortcut, choose activities and find SDM and choose the one that says defer general. Open the shortcut you just made and it allows you to set a defer update date.
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I have a stock, unrooted AT&T SIII, running apex launcher and tried your suggestion. There is no SDM activity listed. Is there any other way with a stock phone to prevent auto updates, besides clicking the decline button?
There supposedly is an AT&T update that takes away the universal search from the Google bar. That's not an update. At this point in time, I don't want the phone updating itself. Reading other posts, it seems one can defer the update, but I'm not sure how long one can do that.
TheBiles said:
It's illegal to push an OTA and not give you the option to confirm the install. You can always decline.
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Not according to Asus. They pushed updates to the transformer prime without notice. The recent one was for the gps dangle.
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It's illegal to push an OTA and not give you the option to confirm the install. You can always decline.
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Should be but it's not really. My rezound tried almost every night to install the update. I would wake up and my phone would be in recovery after failing to update because of having a custom recovery. Finally update my Rom so it would stop
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I just froze SDM in TB.
TheBiles said:
It's illegal to push an OTA and not give you the option to confirm the install. You can always decline.
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Uh, no, it's not illegal.
I dont have my phone until later today but in the past I would edit the build.prop (ro.build.fingerprint=) to have the release keys be the same as the ota. This would trick it into thinking that you already have the ota and not bug you about it anymore.
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I dont have my phone until later today but in the past I would edit the build.prop (ro.build.fingerprint=) to have the release keys be the same as the ota. This would trick it into thinking that you already have the ota and not bug you about it anymore.
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Would this also be true for Sprint?
thekendog said:
I just froze SDM in TB.
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I know I'm just a noob, but what's SDM?
baudac said:
Would this also be true for Sprint?
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Sprint won't force you to update you have to accept it
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sailindawg said:
I have a stock, unrooted AT&T SIII, running apex launcher and tried your suggestion. There is no SDM activity listed. Is there any other way with a stock phone to prevent auto updates, besides clicking the decline button?
There supposedly is an AT&T update that takes away the universal search from the Google bar. That's not an update. At this point in time, I don't want the phone updating itself. Reading other posts, it seems one can defer the update, but I'm not sure how long one can do that.
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Yes if rooted remove or freeze at&t software update with titanium backup.
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jamcar said:
Sprint won't force you to update you have to accept it
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Yeah, but I think he wants to stop the notification.
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Good to see u around these parts Incubus!! I was trying to explain editing the build prop in another ota thread. Please keep us posted on ur findings.
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Good to see u around these parts Incubus!! I was trying to explain editing the build prop in another ota thread. Please keep us posted on ur findings.
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Yeah, I grew impatient and just took the update(s). Would be great to know for future updates though.
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How To Trick your phone into thinking it already has OTA.
You will need to be Rooted
You will Need To Obtain a Copy of the OTA Build.prop located in the system folder of the ota.
1. Place OTA build.prop on your device somewhere for you to access.
2. Mount File System using ES File Explorer (Navigate to menu/settings and check box "Root Explorer" and the check box "Mount File System"
3. Open the OTA build.prop and copy the txt of the (ro.build.fingerprint=) and close it.
4. Navigate to /system/build.prop and open it.
5. Navigate to (ro.build.fingerprint=) and paste/replace contents from OTA version. Save. Reboot.
No OTA Notification. Until the next OTA At least
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How does it work to recieve otas and be perm rooted w s off?
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I'm interested in this issue too!
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How does it work to recieve otas and be perm rooted w s off?
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it depends on what you've modified/removed. If you haven't removed any of the "bloat" the phone should recieve OTAs fine. If you have it should still receive them, but depending on what the update is trying to patch it will most likely fail.
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it depends on what you've modified/removed. If you haven't removed any of the "bloat" the phone should recieve OTAs fine. If you have it should still receive them, but depending on what the update is trying to patch it will most likely fail.
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Oh ok. So being just rooted. Has no effect on otas
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it shouldn't, but only time will tell... why the need though? Any OTA updates that come out are going to be old news by the time they hit this phone... Why not just hop to CM or any number of other roms out there?
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it shouldn't, but only time will tell... why the need though? Any OTA updates that come out are going to be old news by the time they hit this phone... Why not just hop to CM or any number of other roms out there?
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That's true. Never thought of out like that. Lol. Thanks bro. I'm looking into the gorilla sense rom. But what happens if I don't want to use setcpu to overclock? What does the clockspeed stay at
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I actually use gorilla, i think by default his kernels are set to 800, but they allow you to go up to 1.7 so you can set it to what you want/need
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I actually use gorilla, i think by default his kernels are set to 800, but they allow you to go up to 1.7 so you can set it to what you want/need
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Cool. Thanks alot bro
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mftek said:
How does it work to recieve otas and be perm rooted w s off?
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it depends on what you've modified/removed. If you haven't removed any of the "bloat" the phone should recieve OTAs fine. If you have it should still receive them, but depending on what the update is trying to patch it will most likely fail.
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^ This is accurate. The OTA updates will check to make sure the phone is "stock" before installing. They will download fine, just won't install.
I had this problem on my mytouch 3g. I deleted the amazon mp3 app from my stock rom and the froyo update failed. Big pain in the ass.
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Oh ok. So being just rooted. Has no effect on otas
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Correct. When I finally copied the amazon mp3 app back to where it was supposed to be the update installed without incident.
If you want to remove the bloatware, DON'T delete it. Use Root Explorer to MOVE it to a safe place on your sdcard so you can MOVE it back if you want to receive an ota.
If you install a custom rom, ALWAYS keeps a nandroid of stock in case you want to go back and receive OTAs.
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^ This is accurate. The OTA updates will check to make sure the phone is "stock" before installing. They will download fine, just won't install.
I had this problem on my mytouch 3g. I deleted the amazon mp3 app from my stock rom and the froyo update failed. Big pain in the ass.
Correct. When I finally copied the amazon mp3 app back to where it was supposed to be the update installed without incident.
If you want to remove the bloatware, DON'T delete it. Use Root Explorer to MOVE it to a safe place on your sdcard so you can MOVE it back if you want to receive an ota.
If you install a custom rom, ALWAYS keeps a nandroid of stock in case you want to go back and receive OTAs.
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Thanks alot for this! Looks like we just helped each other out lol
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mftek said:
Thanks alot for this! Looks like we just helped each other out lol
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lol, I noticed! Love it.
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lol, I noticed! Love it.
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Phateless said:
^ This is accurate. The OTA updates will check to make sure the phone is "stock" before installing. They will download fine, just won't install.
I had this problem on my mytouch 3g. I deleted the amazon mp3 app from my stock rom and the froyo update failed. Big pain in the ass.
Correct. When I finally copied the amazon mp3 app back to where it was supposed to be the update installed without incident.
If you want to remove the bloatware, DON'T delete it. Use Root Explorer to MOVE it to a safe place on your sdcard so you can MOVE it back if you want to receive an ota.
If you install a custom rom, ALWAYS keeps a nandroid of stock in case you want to go back and receive OTAs.
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Or you can just freeze stock apps with titanium.
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Or you can just freeze stock apps with titanium.
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Don't you still have to "unfreeze" them before you can accept an update? How does Titanium "freeze" apps, anyway? Does anyone know what it does?
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Don't you still have to "unfreeze" them before you can accept an update? How does Titanium "freeze" apps, anyway? Does anyone know what it does?
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I believe it works by isolating the app and any associated processes. So... It is still there but not running.
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jjlean said:
I believe it works by isolating the app and any associated processes. So... It is still there but not running.
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So it doesn't rename the app or anything? I was thinking I could manually do the same with Root Explorer by renaming bloatware from *.apk to *.bloat or something. In fact, maybe I'll do that...
If I downloaded a stock mytouch 4g rom will I still get ota's from t-mobile?? thank you. And can any of you provide a t-mobile stock mytouch4g rom? Pretty please with a rooted G2 on top.
darksulfur5 said:
If I downloaded a stock mytouch 4g rom will I still get ota's from t-mobile?? thank you. And can any of you provide a t-mobile stock mytouch4g rom? Pretty please with a rooted G2 on top.
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If you unroot back to factory you will get OTAs when they come. Do a search for pd15img.zip and it will come right up. Flash through hboot.
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If you unroot back to factory you will get OTAs when they come. Do a search for pd15img.zip and it will come right up. Flash through hboot.
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Sorry for sounding like an idiot, but is hboot the stock mt4g recovery mode?
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Sorry for sounding like an idiot, but is hboot the stock mt4g recovery mode?
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No, hboot is where you check for s-off.
Power off phone.
Pull and reinsert battery just to be sure you're truly OFF.
Hold vol down + power until you get to a white screen. THAT'S hboot.
From here the phone should auto-detect pd15img.zip and prompt you to start the update. DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL COMPLETE.
Nothing too earth shattering if you read the official statement from Verizon, but may have a fix for those with SIM troubles.
http://support.verizonwireless.com/system_update/galaxys3.html
http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-galaxy-s-iii-update-incoming-with-plenty-of-fixes-20120914/
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What is the difference between this update and the one in the other thread?
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What is the difference between this update and the one in the other thread?
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Same update
+ Enhanced Customer Support with Verizon Remote Diagnostics.
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I hope this feature will get stripped out of the custom rom's. I don't want Verizon to be able to snoop on my device.
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I hope this feature will get stripped out of the custom rom's. I don't want Verizon to be able to snoop on my device.
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+1
Yes our device as we own it...Verizon acts as they own our device just because we're on their network.their secretly trying to chain US down with this update trying to gather info lol........
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The update is now available. I just checked and I can install it now.
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installed and not noticing any difference, no new options or apps. ill do some tests with wifi because that is what i care most about being fixed.
xceebeex said:
The update is now available. I just checked and I can install it now.
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But, if we are rooted, we don't want to update. Right? Thank-you
right, the safest way to update is to restore back to stock, stock kernel, and DEFINITELY re-lock your bootloader if you have it unlocked.
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But, if we are rooted, we don't want to update. Right? Thank-you
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I am rooted and I just got an update message. Not sure if I should update I don't want to break root. Has anyone else installed this on a rooted device and can comment on this?
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right, the safest way to update is to restore back to stock, stock kernel, and DEFINITELY re-lock your bootloader if you have it unlocked.
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Can you re-root? Just want to know if the root exploits available still work despite the new update.
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right, the safest way to update is to restore back to stock, stock kernel, and DEFINITELY re-lock your bootloader if you have it unlocked.
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Thanks so much. I will probably skip this one then. Sounds like a lot of trouble. lol Have a great week-end!
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I am rooted and I just got an update message. Not sure if I should update I don't want to break root. Has anyone else installed this on a rooted device and can comment on this?
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I wouldn't do it if I were you. Not while rooted....Can brick your phone I heard.
Do not update if u are rooted.
Well if you can't update while rooted, what are you supposed to do if it auto updates? I was just sitting in bed and noticed that my notification went off on my phone and not on my tablet (meaning not email). I checked the phone and if I hadn't noticed it would have auto updated and I am rooted on stock. It said the update would start in 3 minutes after I heard the notification. I deferred until tomorrow and have my phone how I want it, so I really don't want to go back to stock. I suppose I could make a nandroid.
It really scares me though that Verizon almost pushed an update that could have potentially bricked my phone. I don't think that is right, quite honestly.
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For those rooted who don't want the update now here ya go
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitrifle.otablocker
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Hulk0069 said:
For those rooted who don't want the update now here ya go
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitrifle.otablocker
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Is this legit? I would love to do this because I am worried about the auto-updating. I do not want to restore to stock at all.
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I'm using it,I paid for it.so I'm hoping it is legit.seems to be.
Before installing this app,I noticed my phone said downloading vzw update, which I didn't want so I quickly turn mobile data off, search the market for a ota blocker saw this installed enabled and haven't been botherd yet. THIS APP IS ONLY FOR VZW S3 PHONES!! Sorry don't mean to yell lol.
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It tried to update mine and failed as cwm is my recovery but it keeps trying just deferred I'm going for the play store app screw this commie crap. Oh says error 410 prob informs big red I'm rooted w custom recovery and will bill one million dollars .... no make that a billion.. hmmmm
s3 driving an S4
Hulk0069 said:
I'm using it,I paid for it.so I'm hoping it is legit.seems to be.
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O didn't notice it was a paid app because I am on my tablet right now. Hmm. Will have to get out of bed to see if the price is worth it or if I can just defer again. It asked me for an update time and I said 1230pm.
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The root for 2.20 was just released, but I won't be able to do it for a few days and I'm worried an AT&T update might fix it. Right after I got my HOX, the 2.2 update showed up and I was hesitant to accept it because I heard that the new update would stop rooting. I declined, but next time it came up it didnt ask me if I wanted to update. Is there a way to make sure this doesnt happen again?
Thanks in advance.
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The root for 2.20 was just released, but I won't be able to do it for a few days and I'm worried an AT&T update might fix it. Right after I got my HOX, the 2.2 update showed up and I was hesitant to accept it because I heard that the new update would stop rooting. I declined, but next time it came up it didnt ask me if I wanted to update. Is there a way to make sure this doesnt happen again?
Thanks in advance.
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Everything it starts to automatically download the update factory reset and delete the part it had downloaded off your phone
There is an apk called updater or something like that. Just uninstall or freeze it, and you will never get the OTA update notifications again. This has been discussed before in multiple other threads, so do a search for the full details.
Grab Voodoo OTA rootkeeper from the play store and back up your root just in case if you are running the stock Rom. The JB update has broken root on many devices and will be coming soon for ATT One X. Voodoo has been able to restore it after JB.
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Guys, he's not rooted, so Voodoo isn't going to work.
To the OP, I would not worry about a few days. AT&T and HTC do not move that fast (oh if they could--we'd have JB by now!).
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Guys, he's not rooted, so Voodoo isn't going to work.
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Not rooted? That's just silly now!
Ad blocking alone is worth it.
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FYI, just checked my phone for an update and it is now downloading the 357.38MB update. I am not rooted btw
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FYI, just checked my phone for an update and it is now downloading the 357.38MB update. I am not rooted btw
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Is this the apps to SD update? I think the sprint update was about 357MB.
Just did this myself, any idea what it is? Wondering if this is the security patch?...
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Is this the apps to SD update? I think the sprint update was about 357MB.
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still downloading. it took forever to "check for update". Some apps have updates (like Facebook) that give option to add the app to an SD card. This is probably what it is. Im a noob to android btw.. just letting people know an update is out.
I do not think this is wise, but I think the update is a patch that blocks the loki unlock the devs achieved. need to be careful with these updates as the devs have warned us about. I could be wrong here.
Oh well. let us know the outcome if you don't mind.
The Ax says that this is MY OPINION ONLY!
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I do not think this is wise, but I think the update is a patch that blocks the loki unlock the devs achieved. need to be careful with these updates as the devs have warned us about. I could be wrong here.
Oh well. let us know the outcome if you don't mind.
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You are correct - it's usually a good idea to hold off on taking any OTA updates before knowing what they do. To keep from getting OTA updates, use something like Titanium backup to freeze or otherwise disable three specific apps:
Aou said:
Correct. To block future OTA updates, "Freeze" the following three applications:
AT&T Software update Vxx_x_xxxx_x_x
FWUpgrade x.x.x
LocalFOTA vx_xxxx_x_x
Freezing (with Titanium Backup) will keep them from running, and effectively hide them from the rest of your system. Otherwise, you may find a way to backup and uninstall them completely, but this is more risky if you're ever planning to take an OTA update in the future.
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Apps can now be moved to SD card.. i have a notification that says "Device Management- Connecting to DM server..." and its been like that for a good 5 mins. Wish i can help with more, but again, Im stock and new to android
Can confirm an update also
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I got an upgrade too and it started downloading when I checked but I quickly bought the titanium pro version to freeze the upgrade apps to stop the download until we know if this is some kind of security update
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Any other way to stop it? I'm not rooted, but been tempted too lately. If not, can't change what I've done so no worries.
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I turned off my wifi and it interrupted the update and stopped downloading it. I am not updating till something is released about it.
DroidLife has some info on it
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(Droid+Life)
Mainly a update to KNOX.
Have to see if theres a modem update. If there is thats all thats important for me. And if they patched Loki.
Talked to ATT, app2sd, audio clipping issue with headphones fix, removed a wallpaper and added 2 back, and some msging fix. I think there was a few other things as well, he said a security patch as well, but no real information on what.
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I'll take the risk and attempt to download the patch without letting it install, and post its contents here. Wish me luck.
Well, plenty of warning has been given about waiting to apply this update until it is cleared as safe, so if anyone decides to ignore the warnings, too bad. If it's safe, it'll be known soon enough. I'm just wondering how many other threads will be made about it...anyone taking bets?
Anyone from AT&T get the update yet?
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Yes
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Yea I would definitely hold off on this update considering how long AT&T has had time now to play with it. Even an above post said the ATT rep said it was also a security update with no other info. Seems suspicious...
Be wise in your choices gentlemen; that's all I have to say
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Yes
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Yeah I got the update but disconnected from wifi. Don't want to download it until I know what it is
I337UCUAMF3, MF3 baseband
Kernel June 5th build
New Battery Manager, Data Manager apps (just shortcut to setting menu)
Looks like same as I9505 MF8 build
Secure Boot status.. KNOX thingy for enterprise MDM only so no worries
Can someone upload only the baseband/modem so the rest of us can flash?
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Is there a way to do it? My phone automatically downloaded the software and asked me to install. I cancel of course, but phone ask when can it ask me again. I have to pick a time, cannot cancel or anything. so I pick 5pm tomorrow. Will this install at that time? Please help me stop the software update.
Search on Google Play for OTA Blocker.
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allenc666 said:
Search on Google Play for OTA Blocker.
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I'm not rooted, do I need to be? Is there anyway to do it without being rooted?
duffycoug said:
I'm not rooted, do I need to be? Is there anyway to do it without being rooted?
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I don't believe so. You need root to rename System services or uninstall them, especially a service to stop polling for OTA. What you need to do is rename "sdm 1.0", which is a System app, to "sdm 1.0.bak" but I'm almost positive this wouldn't last through a reboot for you since you're stock. Try it and see but it should not work.
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Is there a way to do it? My phone automatically downloaded the software and asked me to install. I cancel of course, but phone ask when can it ask me again. I have to pick a time, cannot cancel or anything. so I pick 5pm tomorrow. Will this install at that time? Please help me stop the software update.
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Mine gave me the options of no thanks download now download later I hit no thanks
So I will wait and see what happens???
shopman59 said:
Mine gave me the options of no thanks download now download later I hit no thanks
So I will wait and see what happens???
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It'll install automatically if you keep deferring it and miss it once. Each OTA we've received has had that "feature" btw. Rooting and doing what I outlined in my last post is the long term solution.
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It'll install automatically if you keep deferring it and miss it once. Each OTA we've received has had that "feature" btw. Rooting and doing what I outlined in my last post is the long term solution.
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I can't find sdm1.0 I can get t the sdm.apk in system but I'm not rooted I thought I would root with 4.3 when it was safe just got the phone from son had stock rooted droid charge
switch to one of the kitkat roms? i just went from tw dandroid to hellfire 4.4.2 performance is amazing