I've used Juice Defender beta with Ultimate for a long time and was wondering with ICS if it is still really relevant. Anyone have any thoughts?
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Do you really feel you need juice defender with this phone?
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Absolutely. I have had great results with it enabled versus not. I obsess about battery life.
There are articles online stating they use more battery than they save. But really is 12+ hours without charging and screen on for 4-6 really that bad?
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Over longer periods of time, yes Juice defender will save you battery. Shorter periods, the difference is negligible.
Also, the articles about battery savers not saving battery only referred to some that were poorly coded and implemented. I do not believe Juice Defender was on the list.
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Just turn off mobile data if you know you're not going to use it for a while and you're basically accomplishing the same thing. No need for an app to run in the background to do it for you. I used to use JD back in the OG EVO days and yeah it helped, but with this phone it is definitely NOT needed. We are way past that point now.
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Just turn off mobile data if you know you're not going to use it for a while and you're basically accomplishing the same thing. No need for an app to run in the background to do it for you. I used to use JD back in the OG EVO days and yeah it helped, but with this phone it is definitely NOT needed. We are way past that point now.
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Yes, it isn't about the phone or the OS, it's about the apps. The key feature of Juice Defender IMO is the ability to put limits on what apps can use data and when. Rather than having your radios fire up every time an app wants something, you're able to exercise some control.
That's what I was thinking as well. Was thrown off as someone had posted an easter egg finding by using quick shortcuts to open the "Power Savings Settings" menu on the HOXL. So it made me think that the Rom itself had the features like turning Wifi off when not in use baked in. I'm using Juice Defender and just took my time configuring apps and it seems to be doing it's job well. x's 1.73 at the moment. Thanks for the feedback
id suggest letting your OS manage your battery ive tried it all and always had issues. i get 13.5 hours of use with 39% battery life remaining. this was with moderate use though the day. checking txts and calls with some internet fun too. I am also on WCX roms
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running das BAMF 1.7 and the lean kernel i am only getting 6 hours at best with what i would consider as light usage. when i am actually using the phone i get about 1% usage per minute. any ideas as to what is going wrong?
If you're on the standard battery then nothing is wrong, that is common.
What I do is keep my mobile network (4G) off as much as I can. My battery is a lot better when I do that.
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Yep, totally normal. I've just learned to live with it. Trying to get the co. to buy me an extended battery.
then how is it even possible to get 2 days
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then how is it even possible to get 2 days
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Extended battery.
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Use wifi as much as possible. Shut off data when not using. Don't use 4G unless needed. Minimize screen on time. Turn off autosync. Switch to a different kernel, etc. Juice defender really helped me, also. Make sure you set your CPU to minimum when screen is off. Two days probably isn't realistically possible with the stock battery, but you can probably get more.
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I use juice defender and then also LTE on off and only run in 3G. I get easily 15 hours with 60% battery left
I'm not in a 4g area, I get about 12 hours with 3 or 4 hours of screen time. Stay on WiFi as much as possible. Try calibration the battery.
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Run bamf 2.0 on the latest imo kernel? I usually get about 10 to 18 hours on the stock battery depending on usage. 4G enabled 24/7.
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I can get great life when I have full bars on 4G, when I go to work I switch over to 3G and I get about 14 hours on standard battery
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Use wifi as much as possible. Shut off data when not using. Don't use 4G unless needed. Minimize screen on time. Turn off autosync. Switch to a different kernel, etc. Juice defender really helped me, also. Make sure you set your CPU to minimum when screen is off. Two days probably isn't realistically possible with the stock battery, but you can probably get more.
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I bought the extended battery on launch day since reading about the terrible battery. Its sad we have to do the above just to make it through a day.
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yeah i know two days inst realistic but i think 12-16 should be realistic tho, in some way or another, i just havent figure it out yet. on a side not my wifi doesnt work anymore it just says error
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yeah i know two days inst realistic but i think 12-16 should be realistic tho, in some way or another, i just havent figure it out yet. on a side not my wifi doesnt work anymore it just says error
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Sounds like an issue with the software, more specifically the kernal. Are you rooted and running a rom/kernal combo? If so, try reflashing. If that doesn't work, try a new combo.
I've found a happy medium that I can live with... getting anywhere between 10-16 hours with around ~2 hours of screen time.
Running bamf stripped 1.7 using its stock kernel with the smartass governor and underclocking to 368/245 when screen is off.
Hi all.
Looking for some serious help. Coming from a Samsung vibrant. I need help with how to save battery life on the sensation. I have been off charger for 5 hours and 51 minutes and am down to 41%. Is this normal? I have been only texting really. I got my data from battery monitor.
Thanks in advance. Anyway to make this better?
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It all depends on what you're using the phone for. I'm at 55% after 12 hours. yesterday I got 17 hours. if all you're doing us texting then no,thats not normal. but I suspect you're probably doing more with it than you realize since its a new toy.
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He prolly has running wifi as well?
Settings > Wireless and networks > Wifi settings > [MENU BUTTON] > Advanced > Wifi sleep policy > After 15 minutes
Stop Android from phoning home and you'll save greatly on battery life.
Best way I've found to prevent battery drain, is to stop Android from phoning home.
Once you use an app like Autostarts to stop unnecessary things from starting up all the time on their own and also block a couple ports that are not always needed via an app like DroidWall, you'll see great battery life. Also see other details in that link of things I turned off to increase battery life amoung other benefits.
For now, I can only speak for seeing the difference while using a Nexus One ROM on my HD2, but I have way better battery life, GPS lock times and faster device boot ups than ever before.
This is yet another one of the reasons I must wait till the Sensation is rooted and unlocked. Because I'm not using it while it's running things I can't better manage, so they don't drain my battery.
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It all depends on what you're using the phone for. I'm at 55% after 12 hours. yesterday I got 17 hours. if all you're doing us texting then no,thats not normal. but I suspect you're probably doing more with it than you realize since its a new toy.
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How did u get that much? I have battery monitor as a widget. I also did not charge the phone all the way up when I first got it.
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Well to be honest for the 8 hours I'm at work, I use it light. texting, a few calls and about 30 minutes of reading pulse and playing games. However the next 8-9 hours I would consider moderate to heavy use. I have no monitors or anything running, just running straight out of the box.
I'm at 34% after 14.5 hours today.
I charged it fully the first day, ran it to 0, then charged it fully again last night.
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Did draining it out help? It is really killing my battery. When my phone idles it loses about 7 percent an hour. Is this normal?
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Mine is at most 3% per hour so I would say check if you have any running apps that aren't supposed to be.
I suppose draining could have helped but I have no way of knowing for sure
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Yeah I killed my battery in 12 hours with decent use and then charged to 88 had to go but now down to 35 three hours later ....thinking of draining battery and then charging
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I think custom kernel can improve battery a lot..Wait
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I think mine's even worse. Phone was off charger at 100% at 11am, by 1:30PM it's already down to 80%ish. By 4PM it was down to 40%ish, got it charged up to about 70%ish around 6PM, by midnight I was around 6% again.
So I think I'm losing around 10%/hr. That's gotta be abnormal, and the battery gets really hot too. At the moment, I have several speculations:
1. Death grip causing the phone to work harder to find signal, and tmo's coverage kinda sucks in my town
2. I have defective unit/battery
3. Some apps behind the scene are killing it. But I've checked what's running behind, even turned off unnecessary stuff using autorun manager. Auto sync is turned of only for gmails. Weather, IMAP mails, pulse, facebook etc are set to pull in couple hrs instead hourly. The battery life cannot be worse than my 2-yr old HD2.
Hey guys. Have you considered bump charging. HTC advised the idea for the HTC desire battery and it in most cases doubles the battery.
Sorry I can't be more specific bit I'm on my phone. I have found the relevant link. Read the 1st post. I'm gonna do it when I get in from my gig.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
Bump charging kills the battery in long run.
If you have to do it to a brand new handset it can't be good news.
HTC shipping crapy product again!
Customers should not have to put up with this crap and be the beta tester!
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snarestud940 said:
Hi all.
Looking for some serious help. Coming from a Samsung vibrant. I need help with how to save battery life on the sensation. I have been off charger for 5 hours and 51 minutes and am down to 41%. Is this normal? I have been only texting really. I got my data from battery monitor.
Thanks in advance. Anyway to make this better?
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I'd suggest uninstalling battery monitor. I had installed it on my g2x and immediately saw my battery percentage drajning more quickly. Probably because its always running in the background.
The best tip I can give for better battery life is to minimize what you allow to run in the background. Get rid of any task killers, set Facebook/Twitter/Email/etc to sync less frequently, turn off wifi if you're not using it so its not scanning for networks, and so on.
Also install juice defender from the Market. Its free. It has greatly increased my battery life.
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I'd suggest uninstalling battery monitor. I had installed it on my g2x and immediately saw my battery percentage drajning more quickly. Probably because its always running in the background.
The best tip I can give for better battery life is to minimize what you allow to run in the background. Get rid of any task killers, set Facebook/Twitter/Email/etc to sync less frequently, turn off wifi if you're not using it so its not scanning for networks, and so on.
Also install juice defender from the Market. Its free. It has greatly increased my battery life.
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I tried juice defender. Didn't know how to set it up properly. What are good settings for that? And thanks for your help everyone.
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I tried juice defender. Didn't know how to set it up properly. What are good settings for that? And thanks for your help everyone.
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I installed the Plus version because it allows wifi control. I just use the default settings except I change so it doesn't disable wifi. I do that because I use wifi calling at home so I dont want Juice Defender turning off my wifi. I always turn it off manually when I leave the house anyway.
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I installed the Plus version because it allows wifi control. I just use the default settings except I change so it doesn't disable wifi. I do that because I use wifi calling at home so I dont want Juice Defender turning off my wifi. I always turn it off manually when I leave the house anyway.
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Balanced settings? Or whatever it is called?
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Balanced settings? Or whatever it is called?
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Yea Balanced Settings is good if you don't mind it managing your wifi too. In the Plus version I selected Customize instead of Balanced. The only thing I changed was the wifi setting. There's a ton more settings to configure but the default ones work fine for me and I don't have the patience to sift through them all anyway lol
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Yea Balanced Settings is good if you don't mind it managing your wifi too. In the Plus version I selected Customize instead of Balanced. The only thing I changed was the wifi setting. There's a ton more settings to configure but the default ones work fine for me and I don't have the patience to sift through them all anyway lol
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I agree but recommend you take the time to set up each setting on customise mode and you'll be amazed how much extra battery you save fr!!om the default values. Only takes about 5 mins
Have not got around to calling samsung yet after complaining, but find that the battery dies a lot faster than before. I recently uninstalled juice defender to test and will reinstall under the new os to see if that had a effect. Any any ideas or clues to fix it?
Thanks
Did you re-calibrate your battery after the flash? Usually a good ideal, and it usually takes a few days for the took to settle in.
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pretty misleading title.. 2.3.6 has been a big jump up from the older leaks for me. To each their own. I would re-calibrate.
2.3.6 had given me great battery life. I would definitely calibrate your battery either through CWM or the battery calibration app. Almost always after a new flash my battery is horrible until I calibrate.
Another thing may be... I previously had Juice Defender in the past. I found that it seemed to kill my battery faster than without it. The way the android operating system is set it automatically helps save your battery life. Most running applications get moved to the background and are using very close to 0 battery. For anything that I do not want running constantly I use titanium backup and freeze. It works flawlessly.
I do not use anything such as juice defender or auto task killer and get about 44 hours out of my phone overclocked to 1.3 with moderate to high use. Let android do its thing and you will be better off IMO.
Juice defender does help when setup properly. I've gotten over 100 hours of battery life using JD - though I'm still on 2.3.5
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Have not got around to calling samsung yet after complaining, but find that the battery dies a lot faster than before. I recently uninstalled juice defender to test and will reinstall under the new os to see if that had a effect. Any any ideas or clues to fix it?
Thanks
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Check your battery stats to see if there are any unnecessary programs or tasks that are killing your battery life by running all of the time. Something that you may have had set-up or syncing differently since you updated.
2.3.6 has been giving me great battery life, I am running stock KJ6 with KJ6 Voodoo-kernel, no UV or OC, no "battery saving apps" and I'm getting 12 to 14 hours with heavy use, 30+ hours with light use.
Check this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19178400&postcount=19
And the link on it...it explains how the SGS4G will automatically calibrate the battery under certain conditions, and how to go about it.
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Juice defender does help when setup properly. I've gotten over 100 hours of battery life using JD - though I'm still on 2.3.5
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Did you just say 100 hours?
thebaron512 said:
Have not got around to calling samsung yet after complaining, but find that the battery dies a lot faster than before. I recently uninstalled juice defender to test and will reinstall under the new os to see if that had a effect. Any any ideas or clues to fix it?
Thanks
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I never had a problem with the battery life before. On froyo it usually lasted all day with about 50% left.
On kj6 it lasts all day and about 70% is left at night.
I have no task managers installed and syncing with google, exchange, facebook, weather and couple other services.
How many here use Bluetooth? I usually use it quite a bit, but noticed that the new official kj6 uses an unusual amount of Bluetooth share (my battery life has dropped dramatically as a result).
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Did you just say 100 hours?
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yes I did.
I'm currently at 66 hours with 24% battery left. probably won't make it to 100 (4 days+) on this charge, but I have on more than one occasion.
I am a light user though, only some wifi browsing and wifi calling, along with regular calls, and maybe checking traffic every once in a while. I don't really use my phone for games or music.
oh, and I've never calibrated my battery or cleared the battery stats.
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yes I did.
I'm currently at 66 hours with 24% battery left. probably won't make it to 100 (4 days+) on this charge, but...
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Not that I dont believe you but I would like a screen shot. I have taken my phone just up to 24 hours...
+1 for a screen shot.
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Holy crap delivaredddd
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Wow is all I have to say. You sir have won the forum.
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LOL, how many intarnetz do I win?
but srsly, I think my battery may be a freak of nature.
curious what's your longest display time. I can let my phone sit idle for days but I can only get max 5 hours display.
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the battery is dieing quick because 1. needs colaberated, and 2, the iq agent KILLS that **** quick.
Either flash mine, or ravers rom which has it removed. More roms will be coming out that has it removed as well.
What files need to be removed to get rid of ciq? Also glad to see you're back on xda krylon.
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Lol. Mike, its funny how in every thread people doubt your battery life. You should post the pics as your sig
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I got betterbatterystats today and it says that juice defender is killing my battery.. Anyone else experience this??
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Oh the irony.
Lol.. I'm wondering if that is what is killing it outside of lte
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I got betterbatterystats today and it says that juice defender is killing my battery.. Anyone else experience this??
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I was having the same problem. Mabye disabling LTE and renableing it forcing it to look for signal constantly is part of the problem. All I know for sure is it was causing huge problems with my battery life.
I think the general consensus is that most battery saver apps don't really help as they are constantly trying to kill and disable stuff while your OS may try to re-enable them. I would get an app like Tasker instead and setup tasks to enable/disable your radio at certain times instead.
Battery saver apps=battery killer apps
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Battery saver apps=battery killer apps
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elsupermang said:
I think the general consensus is that most battery saver apps don't really help as they are constantly trying to kill and disable stuff while your OS may try to re-enable them. I would get an app like Tasker instead and setup tasks to enable/disable your radio at certain times instead.
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But you can do that with Juice Defender, and really, that's all it does unless you enable app controls.
I've been using JD on my HOX for over a month, and it makes a noticeable difference.
I do have the Ultimate version. I have not used the free version so cannot speak to that one.
It might be your LTE that's killing your battery and not juice defender.
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It might be your LTE that's killing your battery and not juice defender.
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LTE does not kill the battery on this phone. I am connected to and using LTE all day, every day and my battery life is amazing.
Agreed, LTE for me isn't the battery killer, I'm on it all day everyday.
I've used in the past JD on other handsets and found them to suck the power.
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On the snapdragon S4 devices lte radio is built on the chip and uses less power than Verizon lte because there's just one radio vs two. Vzw phones have to fall back to evdo and use cdma for calls. So far this means two radios. I don't know if this changes with the S4 based Vzw phones.
Has anyone else noticed that when you're making a call LTE service goes away? It drops back to normal 4g.
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Has anyone else noticed that when you're making a call LTE service goes away? It drops back to normal 4g.
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Pretty sure it does this to save batter you don't need LTE to make calls
I found because I unlock my phone every couple minutes, that juice defender toggling all my signal services is what drained the hell out of my phone. Just uninstall it. Turn off mobile data when you don't use it, and WiFi when you can, and your battery life will be golden. I usually get about 3 hours of screen on time. Which isn't bad IMO.
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Has anyone else noticed that when you're making a call LTE service goes away? It drops back to normal 4g.
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LTE is just for data at the moment no VoLTE yet.
Same thing here...
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I got betterbatterystats today and it says that juice defender is killing my battery.. Anyone else experience this??
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I ran my HOX without Juice Defender for the first few days that I had it to get a sense for stock battery life. It was great and I was excited to get even more duration from it with JD. After a few days using JD and getting much worse battery life, I removed it and was back to normal.
Note: I live in a non-LTE area.
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I ran my HOX without Juice Defender for the first few days that I had it to get a sense for stock battery life. It was great and I was excited to get even more duration from it with JD. After a few days using JD and getting much worse battery life, I removed it and was back to normal.
Note: I live in a non-LTE area.
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I agree with this. No one should use Juice Defender!
Juice defender just turns off data when the screen is off... Which can be done manually anyways.
Or am I missing something?
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Juice defender is just another app that will help drain the battery
Download DX toolbox and you can turn off background apps and other advanced settings.
Hey guys I would just like ppl opinion on the various battery saving apps that are available on the market.
Do you think they actually work? best apps(in your opinion) and best configuration to save most battery.
I have juice defender and and it always says that it is saving me somewhere around 1.6 but I'm not totally sure that that is the case.
I have not had it installed for the last couple of days and my battery doesn't seem to be noticeable y worse than when it was installed
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I have stopped using them. I have think it depends in how a person uses their phone to start with. All of those options, can be done manually. I personally got tires of switching to different profiles for what I was doing. I haven't noticed much difference myself.
but, that is just my experience.
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I have stopped using them. I have think it depends in how a person uses their phone to start with. All of those options, can be done manually. I personally got tires of switching to different profiles for what I was doing. I haven't noticed much difference myself.
but, that is just my experience.
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Yes well that's the way I'm going I think. They taking up space and memory on phone and not really getting any noticeable benefit from having them installed.
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Yes well that's the way I'm going I think. They taking up space and memory on phone and not really getting any noticeable benefit from having them installed.
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They do keep us occupied ...... for about a week. That's worth something I guess.
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The battery on my phone is going iPhone-ish, I need one of the battery saving apps, Are there any decent ones yet?
I would try Bataria from the market. Its free, and doesn't use much resources to do its job. I think the best is to manually adjust different settings on your phone. Same results, nothing running in the background to do it.
I am using Greenpowe.
Battery apps are usually crap. The only ones that really work are the ones that modify how your phone's software works. And those almost always require root access.
If by chance you are rooted, I recommend SetCPU, Autostarts and Autokiller. SetCPU will allow you to set profiles such as throttling while the screen is off, which will save you a ton of battery. Autostarts will stop custom apps from starting with your phone's OS, which leads to less background processes. And Autokiller will ensure that you have plenty of free memory for less tasks being killed and restarted. That alone has the potential to make a huge difference in your battery life.
I'm not trying for snarky, but
An app can't save battery by running
But you can save battery by turning something off
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I'm not trying for snarky, but
An app can't save battery by running
But you can save battery by turning something off
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I totally agree.
My uncle uses juice defender, but I think it's better for the battery to manage everything yourself.
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yeah I've been using Juice Defender. It does save some battery life.
If you have a horrible phone like mine, juice defender ultimate works wonders. My LG optimus m gets about 12 hours of life without it, and about 18 hours with it.
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On my OG EVO I used juice defender plus and it helped out greatly. Saw 1.8x a couple of times. On the new EVO LTE I don't use a thing and it keeps going and going and going...
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