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I am coming from Blackberry and therefore have high standards for email clients. After trying every workaround that I could find from forums, I sent an email to Samsung with my recommendations for future software updates. I am not surprised by the response. On a side note, I fixed the GAL issue by installing "Swift Contacts" from the market but in my opinion all of these features should be out of the box functionality in a modern smartphone especially if iOS has it. I am running Touchdown in parallel right now to see if it is worth the $20 but this phone should do these things stock. Am I crazy for having these expectations?
　
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I have had my Captivate for 3.5 weeks. While I love it for many reasons, and besides my major gripe with the GPS performance, I continue to struggle with the email functionality as a past Blackberry user. The stock email client lacks many basic features that Blackberry and iPhone have. Is there any plan to fix the following basic Smartphone/Activesync functionality in an upcoming software update?
- GAL support (global address list)
- Cut/Copy/Paste
- Move email between folders
- Meeting request Accept/Tentative/Decline w/ or w/o message
- Syncronized draft folder w/ exchange
- Create calendar appt. and choose'show time as' free/busy/tentative/out of office.
If there is a way to do any of these thing now, I would appreciate the instructions. Otherwise will these be addressed in future software releases? I am debating switching back to Blackberry really want to make this phone work for me!
Samsung Response:
Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, we are unable to speculate when/if a software revision with this feature might be available due to the fact that this might lead to inaccurate information and confusion.
Please feel free to check back with us periodically for updates. We hope that you will allow us another opportunity to serve you.
Should you desire additional assistance resolving this, we invite you to call Samsung Customer Support by phone at our toll free number 1-888-987-4357 between the hours 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturday, Central Standard Time.
Sincerely,
Samsung Technical Support
- Meeting request Accept/Tentative/Decline w/ or w/o message
- Syncronized draft folder w/ exchange
- Create calendar appt. and choose'show time as' free/busy/tentative/out of office.
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I'm sure there's an app out there for this stuff, but android is not a business oriented client and as such these are not things "normal" users would need.
I use the gmail app that came on the phone and it has cut copy and paste.
you'll have to define GAL, again the gmail client has access to all your gmail contacts, which is everyone I know since you can easily sync all your contacts with gmail (even phone numbers)
again, a gmail user, but gmail doesn't really have folders it has labels, which is more or less the same from the users point of view, and this can be done, moving labels...
apps are your friend, search appbrain for the things you need, ex: http://www.appbrain.com/search?q=exchange
hope some of that helps
I'm sure there's an app out there for this stuff, but android is not a business oriented client and as such these are not things "normal" users would need.
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Thanks for your feedback but I do not accept that Android is not business oriented and only for "normal" users. Many companies that are not on AT&T and therefore can't get an iPhone are allowing android phones form Verizon and others. iPhone can do all of these things and many other Android phones have much more client email functionality. For some reason this Samsung version is hobbled. If Android is going to succeed and eventually dominate in the market any new phone platform must have basic business functionality that is expected with any Exchange implementation using Activesync. If an app like Touchdown can do these things then the stock client should be able to. For Android to win it must work for both business and "normal" consumers.
Also, how do you have cut and paste in gmail? Are you rooted? I do't have it and have read many threads complaining about the lack of this feature.
A couple corrections:
1. cut/paste is there and pretty easy to use - if using the samsung keyboard, tap and hold the 123 key. Viola, you get a directional pad with cut/paste functions, that works very well.
2. GAL is available when composing an email. instead of typing a name, hit the search button near the name box; this will search the server - downside; you only get email address, not phone numbers
3. you missed my biggest annoyance: not being able to dial a phone number in a calendar invite/meeting - phone numbers and urls are not recognized as links. You have to "edit" then copy paste.
These are not android deficiencies, they are Samsung's. Other android phones do not have these problems. So hopefully a 2.1 update, or 2.2 will fix all this. If not we should have some Vanilla (Plain Android) Roms to use in the near future.
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Thanks for your feedback but I do not accept that Android is not business oriented and only for "normal" users. Many companies that are not on AT&T and therefore can't get an iPhone are allowing android phones form Verizon and others. iPhone can do all of these things and many other Android phones have much more client email functionality. For some reason this Samsung version is hobbled. If Android is going to succeed and eventually dominate in the market any new phone platform must have basic business functionality that is expected with any Exchange implementation using Activesync. If an app like Touchdown can do these things then the stock client should be able to. For Android to win it must work for both business and "normal" consumers.
Also, how do you have cut and paste in gmail? Are you rooted? I do't have it and have read many threads complaining about the lack of this feature.
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I am rooted but I doubt that is it, I am running the jh2 update, that may be it, but if I tap and hold,i get the option to cut, copy, and paste. As mentioned above hitting 123 also works, and if you're using swype tap the swype key and swype right, to the "sym" button to get the same thing.
As for the other androids that are more business oriented, they just have different apps, which is why android is awesome, I don't want your features, and you don't want mine, so we just download different apps, and everyone is happy.
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I am rooted but I doubt that is it, I am running the jh2 update, that may be it, but if I tap and hold,i get the option to cut, copy, and paste. As mentioned above hitting 123 also works, and if you're using swype tap the swype key and swype right, to the "sym" button to get the same thing.
As for the other androids that are more business oriented, they just have different apps, which is why android is awesome, I don't want your features, and you don't want mine, so we just download different apps, and everyone is happy.
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If you are rooted and on JH2 then I would classify you as a super users. I understand all of your points and this is why Android is so great! But I am also very invested in Android now and want it to be successful in the market for the benefit of all users. A large majority of users are not power users. Buy an iPhone or a Blackberry or even another Android phone and these basic Corporate Exchange features are working out of the box. Most people do not have the skill or patience to try multiple apps until they find one that works. And most people do not want to spend more money to make their phone do the most basic functions. The Captivate is the only Android phone on AT&T that most corporate users would consider. Even if you don't want or need these features, many will, and it is Samsung not Google that messed up. Samsung should provide this high level device with the features to make it competitive out of the box. These basic features would not deter or impact the non-corporate user in any way so why not include them?
Do you have the "Copy Paste It" app installed? I even tried again and I do not have Copy/Paste in Gmail. What I mean is I cannot copy and paste from the quoted text. I can from the text I am adding. I know how to use the keyboard text select features. If I am missing something I would love to be corrected and figure this thing out!
These basic features would not deter or impact the non-corporate user in any way so why not include them?
Do you have the "Copy Paste It" app installed? I even tried again and I do not have Copy/Paste in Gmail. What I mean is I cannot copy and paste from the quoted text. I can from the text I am adding. I know how to use the keyboard text select features. If I am missing something I would love to be corrected and figure this thing out!
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I would blame att as much as samsung.. perhaps if att had more android phones instead of sticking with the iphone, we would have corporate android.... as it stands I'm just happy we have a high end android at all.
as for copying, no i can not copy from the quoted text, you are correct
alphadog00 said:
A couple corrections:
1. cut/paste is there and pretty easy to use - if using the samsung keyboard, tap and hold the 123 key. Viola, you get a directional pad with cut/paste functions, that works very well.
2. GAL is available when composing an email. instead of typing a name, hit the search button near the name box; this will search the server - downside; you only get email address, not phone numbers
3. you missed my biggest annoyance: not being able to dial a phone number in a calendar invite/meeting - phone numbers and urls are not recognized as links. You have to "edit" then copy paste.
These are not android deficiencies, they are Samsung's. Other android phones do not have these problems. So hopefully a 2.1 update, or 2.2 will fix all this. If not we should have some Vanilla (Plain Android) Roms to use in the near future.
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1. It is not possible to cut/copy/paste from the quoted text. This is the whole point for me. If somebody sends me an email with information, sometimes I want to copy a subset of that information into another email or app. That is not possible with either the stock email client or gmail.
2. For some reason GAL was not working for me out of the box and believe me I tried mutlitple times. I tried installing Swift Contacts and all of the sudden it worked. I can explain it but at least it works. Too bad it does not show the phone number.
3. I had not noticed this before but now that I have, I have another thing to be frustrated about. Thanks
Hopefully Samsung fixes these issues in an upcoming build otherwise I will be rooting for sure.
I am starting this thread in the hope we can discuss the Google Plus service. There are some other threads out there, but are slammed full of invite requests, and no discussion is actually occurring, so please, no invite requests of any kind.
I personally love this service so far, I think it will be a [email protected] killer in very short order. I especially like the way Circles is set up.
Since it's a closed beta atm, there's no one that I know personally with an account. This means all the great things I used Facespace for I can't play around with yet. I guess I can set up my profile and keep looking around for the next three weeks.
People that got accounts are already getting bored of it because their friends can't join. It's like being the only person with a cell phone - who are you going to call? You log in and click around for ten minutes, then you log back out. No point in posting anything - nobody can see it. Nothing to read, yet, either.
If Google doesn't open it up soon, it's going to die like Wave did. The early adopters will use it for a few days and move back to Facebook where their friends are. People will gradually get invited in, only to find the ghost town left after the early adopters abandoned it. Time will pass and people will forget that they were waiting to be invited.
This Google-coined idea of the "invite-only" service worked for gmail because you didn't need a community to use email - you could still message hotmail and msn email users. It doesn't work for anything that requires community (like social networking definitely does).
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People that got accounts are already getting bored of it because their friends can't join. It's like being the only person with a cell phone - who are you going to call? You log in and click around for ten minutes, then you log back out. No point in posting anything - nobody can see it. Nothing to read, yet, either.
If Google doesn't open it up soon, it's going to die like Wave did. The early adopters will use it for a few days and move back to Facebook where their friends are. People will gradually get invited in, only to find the ghost town left after the early adopters abandoned it. Time will pass and people will forget that they were waiting to be invited.
This Google-coined idea of the "invite-only" service worked for gmail because you didn't need a community to use email - you could still message hotmail and msn email users. It doesn't work for anything that requires community (like social networking definitely does).
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+1 Couldn't agree more. If Google don't get a move on this will die faster than than a Sinclair C5
I like Google+ ... I like the concept of Friend circle .. It has good potential
It's a beta, not open to public. It is this way, for testing purposes, and for bug reporting. It has numerous bugs, and basically, annoying things that it does.
I'm sure when it's polished, it'll be released to the masses. I'm pretty sure those with it are thankful for having a new toy to play with, even if it is limited.
With the above said;
It's fantastic in concept. The ability to have group chats, group voice/video with chosen circles, etc, is a Facebook killer.
A bunch of my friends and I are on g+, and it's all we've been toying around with. Hangout and Huddle are probably the best features.
Since not many people use the service, we've been treating g+ like twitter where we follow complete strangers with interesting posts just to occupy the stream..
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People that got accounts are already getting bored of it because their friends can't join. It's like being the only person with a cell phone - who are you going to call? You log in and click around for ten minutes, then you log back out. No point in posting anything - nobody can see it. Nothing to read, yet, either.
If Google doesn't open it up soon, it's going to die like Wave did. The early adopters will use it for a few days and move back to Facebook where their friends are. People will gradually get invited in, only to find the ghost town left after the early adopters abandoned it. Time will pass and people will forget that they were waiting to be invited.
This Google-coined idea of the "invite-only" service worked for gmail because you didn't need a community to use email - you could still message hotmail and msn email users. It doesn't work for anything that requires community (like social networking definitely does).
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+2. I've been in for about a week but can't get anyone else in. so I set up my profile. play around with it but without guides or others to interact with I'm already beyond bored with it.
Also since I don't have any friends on it, I disabled the account sync feature in the system setting but whenever I come back in an hour or so, it auto enabled itself? SOB! I deleted the app.
I really want to use group chat on here, but my friends aren't on this service...I hope it grows.
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Since not many people use the service, we've been treating g+ like twitter where we follow complete strangers with interesting posts just to occupy the stream..
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how do I even find other peoples posts? The only thing I can find it my failed invite attempts on my stream.
Youll see others ppls posts that are directed to the circle they have you in. If you see nothing, you either have no friends, or they have not shared anything with you.
For instance, I have many circles (groups of ppl), when I post an article/status, I can choose which group(s) to post it to, or indeed, post it publicly. A certain person can be a member of multiple groups, as well.
Perhaps take a look at "sparks" for people/sites to follow.
As said prior though, this IS a closed beta. It has not been released at this stage as a replacement for your favourite social sites. If indeed youve been lucky enough to get an invite, then treat it for what it is. A testbed.
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So far I am liking g+. I think it has a lot of potential, but like others have said it wont show its full capabilities until everyone can join at will. I don't even want to try adding any non-techie friends because I'm worried that the crappy invite system would annoy them and scare them off. The circles are an awesome idea, but my favorite part so far is the ability to have it upload my pics and videos automatically from my phone. Not only does it make it extremely easy to post them anytime you want, it also works like a cloud service to back them up and you can access them from your computer too.
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The group chat seems to have a lot of potential.. I been wanting something like bbm but nothing was really all that known to other ppl. Hangout looks good too. I cant wait.. Google needs to hurry up and release this.
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check out socialstatistics.com if you wanna follow people..
This is still a beta test so its a little slow, once Google feels that most of the kinks are hammered out they will make it public.
That's when the flood will open.
I think Google will start packaging G+ as a stock Google-app that will be on all newer android devices. since there are a reported 500,000 android activations daily which means that's 15 million new people in a month. Compared to facebooks 750 million current users its not much, but at that 500k rate could dominate facebook in 4 years.
I have this feeling that G+ may be ready to go public in August
Engadget Article
It turns out that Google will boot all non public profiles after July 31
Facebook just announced group chat, and video chat. http://on.fb.me/pKBugz
Competition is indeed a good thing. No matter who wins the battle of supremacy, we'll all come out winners
Edit: This is a pretty decent review of Google+;
http://bit.ly/qfNrcX
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I have been using G+ for only 3 days. I think the circle setup is very nice, and the huddle service is a huge jump from facebook. However, I do think that we have to wait until there is a huge increase in the number of user of google+ to see how it compares with facebook. I have only 20 people in my circles. My friends are all reluctant to move over.
I have a feeling that this might become a part of stock android ui as it integrates into your contacts pretty deeply...
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Anyone having issues with notifications when Google+ unloads itself from the memory? Notifications won't pop up until you open Google+ again. Not an issue with regular notifications since I get an email notification on those. But with Huddle, it kind of defeats the purpose.
Hi. I can not figure any way how can I edit the email messages that are being forwarded or replied to? I mean the original message that is being forwarded or replied to.
I am rather new with WP7 and use it for work. I frequently forward sensitive material to others, where some part of the message is not for everyone.
It is probably the biggest complaint I have over WP7
adminlt said:
Hi. I can not figure any way how can I edit the email messages that are being forwarded or replied to? I mean the original message that is being forwarded or replied to.
I am rather new with WP7 and use it for work. I frequently forward sensitive material to others, where some part of the message is not for everyone.
It is probably the biggest complaint I have over WP7
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Not possible. I don't know what about Mango, but now - not.
Just tried in mango beta 2 and didn't seem like I could delete anything. Tried reply and forward.
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It is probably the biggest complaint I have over WP7
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I have other complaints that are bigger, but I agree that I miss this simple feature a lot. Many times I'd like to quote certain parts of an email in a reply to comment on them, which is pretty much impossible right now.
Then again, if you look at the way many modern email clients for the desktop work, they all but the original message at the bottom and make you reply on top by default. So maybe this is the "modern" way to do it and I'm just too old to get it ...
Andy.WP7 said:
I have other complaints that are bigger, but I agree that I miss this simple feature a lot. Many times I'd like to quote certain parts of an email in a reply to comment on them, which is pretty much impossible right now.
Then again, if you look at the way many modern email clients for the desktop work, they all but the original message at the bottom and make you reply on top by default. So maybe this is the "modern" way to do it and I'm just too old to get it ...
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Certainly not Outlook, you can easily edit quoted message...
doministry said:
Certainly not Outlook, you can easily edit quoted message...
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Of course you can - not only in Outlook but in pretty much all of them. The default though is that the original message is at the botton, underneath some "header" information from the original mail and the reply is at the top.
Since WP7 is positioned as business oriented, inability to edit forwarded e-mails is major bummer.
Major mistake on Microsoft side, as this will alienate many in the business community.
Even BB, which sucked in most aspects, did allow this.
WP7 was never positioned as business oriented. Where did you get this misleading information? Microsoft has always stated that consumer market was their primary focus. They're even pushing Blackberries to enterprises in lieue of WP7 so that they could put Bing on Blackberry smartphones...
A Windows phone syncs very well with SharePoint, while the syncing capabilitis with live.com are rather limited, so no matter what MS official stance on business vs. consumer may be, this is an area where they clearly have done a better job for business users than for consumers.
In any case, an email client that allows you to properly forward and reply to emails (allowing you to delete/change the original mail) is a requirement for business users as well as consumers.
They missed so many email 'default' features, it's become laughable.
hotmail email flagging
quote/edit part of emails
select all / easier select big parts
bulk actions (mark all as read)
bigger polling intervals (6-12 hours)
and yes, nothing in Mango and probably for at least one year more. I was so happy when wp7 was announced...
I would like to see if they bring something new in Email and Office part regarding functinality. I definitely saw threaded messaging in the email coming.
This is a real question and a serious problem.
In my law firm they are using WP7 devices and several lawyers are complaining that they cannot edit the forwarded emails.
This is absolutely weird. Such limitation is not acceptable
WP7 is definitely not a serious OS, and definitely not made for business purposes. It is just a toy.
arturobandini said:
This is a real question and a serious problem.
In my law firm they are using WP7 devices and several lawyers are complaining that they cannot edit the forwarded emails.
This is absolutely weird. Such limitation is not acceptable
WP7 is definitely not a serious OS, and definitely not made for business purposes. It is just a toy.
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yep, and that's similar to ios a few years ago. But that was 2007. In fact, it seems Microsoft thinks the market is still in 2007 state for some stuff.
Anyway, the supposed statement that wp7 is 'not for business' is just a PR statement. They mean 'wp7 is not a complete os, yet, so it's not ready for business'.
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This is a real question and a serious problem.
In my law firm they are using WP7 devices and several lawyers are complaining that they cannot edit the forwarded emails.
This is absolutely weird. Such limitation is not acceptable
WP7 is definitely not a serious OS, and definitely not made for business purposes. It is just a toy.
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Well maybe they think of kids and Facebook **** more than anything else?
I really wanted to get this answer: why this OS, with so many great ideas has so many idiotic limitations. It's beyond me. But I was called a "hater" instead
Editing forwarded/replied email is a very important functionality. And even if native app doesn't allow it, we could have some 3rd party solutions but they are not supported in any way. In my case there were also other email issues: embedded pictures not displaying, sometimes attachements not appearing after download process.
Interesting to know if these things will change in Mango or MS doesn't really care about it. That's the question: does MS care?
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Well maybe they think of kids and Facebook **** more than anything else?
I really wanted to get this answer: why this OS, with so many great ideas has so many idiotic limitations. It's beyond me. But I was called a "hater" instead
Editing forwarded/replied email is a very important functionality. And even if native app doesn't allow it, we could have some 3rd party solutions but they are not supported in any way. In my case there were also other email issues: embedded pictures not displaying, sometimes attachements not appearing after download process.
Interesting to know if these things will change in Mango or MS doesn't really care about it. That's the question: does MS care?
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I have the certainity they don't. They have taken all the bad sides of apple without the efficency, the vision and the appeal
In school, I learned about a European carrier effort called Joyn, which is a text messaging replacement app. It works just like text messaging except it uses data instead of the SMS protocol. Why are the carriers themselves doing this? People are ditching texting for data apps that do the same thing because the apps are free vs SMS which is paid. Joyn is also free but the Euro carriers can at least improve the experience and maybe sell add-on services such as video calling and maybe international calling over data. I'm not sure what stage they're at in Europe but there's already a demo app.
Food for thought:
- will people learn to use a new app?
- would we developers be welcoming to a new app platform on top of Joyn? I'm thinking apps that use a Joyn api and that install through Joyn instead of the Apple/Android/MS apps stores.
The advantages:
- no more asking your friends to install the same app you use, or getting a separate number just for free texting! It would be built-in to your phone and your number just like SMS today. By the same token, lesser need to maintain multiple apps.
- quality control: some apps I use on my Android have huge delays; carriers are better positioned to maintain quality of service
The disadvantages:
- getting people to do/learn something different?
General thoughts are welcome as well!
wujuyamakin said:
In school, I learned about a European carrier effort called Joyn, which is a text messaging replacement app. It works just like text messaging except it uses data instead of the SMS protocol. Why are the carriers themselves doing this? People are ditching texting for data apps that do the same thing because the apps are free vs SMS which is paid. Joyn is also free but the Euro carriers can at least improve the experience and maybe sell add-on services such as video calling and maybe international calling over data. I'm not sure what stage they're at in Europe but there's already a demo app.
Food for thought:
- will people learn to use a new app?
- would we developers be welcoming to a new app platform on top of Joyn? I'm thinking apps that use a Joyn api and that install through Joyn instead of the Apple/Android/MS apps stores.
The advantages:
- no more asking your friends to install the same app you use, or getting a separate number just for free texting! It would be built-in to your phone and your number just like SMS today. By the same token, lesser need to maintain multiple apps.
- quality control: some apps I use on my Android have huge delays; carriers are better positioned to maintain quality of service
The disadvantages:
- getting people to do/learn something different?
General thoughts are welcome as well!
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I'm not sure how this is any different to Apple messaging. On my work phone (iPhone 4) I have a single messaging app - if I am sending to someone else with an iOS device it is delivered as an iMessage but if I'm sending it to someone else it automatically sends it as a text message. Even my 72 year old Mum can deal with this - "one app to rule them all"
This might work but I don't see this happening in developing countries anytime soon. Over here, majority of people doesn't have a smartphone and the data isn't the best. Unlimited sms rates are also cheaper than data. But then again it really depends on the person because I rarely use sms these days. It would be nice to have a bbm/imessage style app where everyone has one on their phones though. No more "hey install this so we can talk".
A decent amount of texts are usually included with any data plan. If data only plans were offered on cell phones then I think you would see people switching to voip instead of regular calls and internet based texting.
I think eventually texting will move to strictly data. But they will milk it for awhile still.
Doubt it will be a big thing here. Most carriers are giving unlimited texting away as part of the new tiered data plans. Texts costs carriers nothing to pass back and fourth.
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Doubt it will be a big thing here. Most carriers are giving unlimited texting away as part of the new tiered data plans. Texts costs carriers nothing to pass back and fourth.
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i can see a future facebook , gmail ,yahoo messengers are integrated into a single Messenger application somewhat like whatsapp but with more functions like video chat , voice chat...and all the goodness of texting .
How is that Euro app different from what you can do with Google Voice?
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A decent amount of texts are usually included with any data plan. If data only plans were offered on cell phones then I think you would see people switching to voip instead of regular calls and internet based texting.
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In the US, data plans are completely separate from SMS plans.
SimonTS said:
I'm not sure how this is any different to Apple messaging. On my work phone (iPhone 4) I have a single messaging app - if I am sending to someone else with an iOS device it is delivered as an iMessage but if I'm sending it to someone else it automatically sends it as a text message. Even my 72 year old Mum can deal with this - "one app to rule them all"
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The difference is you wouldn't need a texting plan with Joyn. Also Joyn is cross-platform, works on non-iOS devices as well. Also, it's free from Apple's whims
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How is that Euro app different from what you can do with Google Voice?
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Check out some of the videos on the Joyn site, it offers a whole lot more features such as video and voice messages, file sharing, location sharing, etc.
But just regarding the texting portion, the difference is that Joyn is created by the carriers themselves so there would be high QoS, as opposed to Google Voice (which I gratefully use), which has had delays of over 24 hours at times with my texts.
The other difference is that Joyn would be built-in to phones so you don't have to worry about the other end having SMS support or not.
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But just regarding the texting portion, the difference is that Joyn is created by the carriers themselves so there would be high QoS, as opposed to Google Voice (which I gratefully use), which has had delays of over 24 hours at times with my texts.
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You shouldn't be getting such long delays, I don't think. It should (though I'm not 100% positive it is) be pushed straight from the google voice server.
Anyway, as mission said, texting isn't going to go away, bundled as it is into our plans. It's exceedingly cheap for the carriers, while they can try to use it to get unsuspecting customers to pay much more.
We already use apps such as Kik and whatsapp instead of sms. First theres no worry about length of text plus we can send pics vids and sounds for free. These are even better than apples imessage because dont matter if you have blackberry, android or ios.
Also we can chat in groups much easier.
I'm just jumping in with thoughts. The only benefit i can see, as the abundance of unlimited text plans has already been pointed out, is that a data based sms is completely independent of carrier, operating system, phones, region, etc.- so long as internet access is available. But that may be irrelevant as carriers probably have a nice texting deal worked out to transfer texts among other carriers really cheaply. I could be wrong as i am only speculating.
Future of texting- something to think about.
I'm in Europe and I've never heard of this 'Joyn'...
Now, Whatsapp, on the other hand...
The more integrated that 3rd party messaging apps become with mobile OSs the less likely it is that phone users will choose to use more expensive options like SMS, MMS, or even standard voice calls.
My comment would be that a data-based messenging app is fine, but not everyone has a smartphone. With the high cost of data plans I predict that sms-based texting will continue to dominate, because people still like cheap phones. We lose track of that since most of our peers are data junkies
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MunkinDrunky said:
I'm just jumping in with thoughts. The only benefit i can see, as the abundance of unlimited text plans has already been pointed out, is that a data based sms is completely independent of carrier, operating system, phones, region, etc.- so long as internet access is available. But that may be irrelevant as carriers probably have a nice texting deal worked out to transfer texts among other carriers really cheaply. I could be wrong as i am only speculating.
Future of texting- something to think about.
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Couple other major (IMHO) benefits:
- No more asking your contact to install apps and juggling multiple apps. Joyn is carrier-made and integrated with your phone number. I now have 3 apps that all do messaging because people have different preferences and some apps work better on certain OS's than others. Something like Joyn makes messaging just like calling; it just works if you know the other end's number.
- App platform potential: Joyn has an API. Apps can be added such as grouping interfaces, virtual gifts, BBM-like features such as encryption and security. Good opportunity for us developers, better alignment of interests between carriers and users (good user experience).
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Couple other major (IMHO) benefits:
- No more asking your contact to install apps and juggling multiple apps. Joyn is carrier-made and integrated with your phone number. I now have 3 apps that all do messaging because people have different preferences and some apps work better on certain OS's than others. Something like Joyn makes messaging just like calling; it just works if you know the other end's number.
- App platform potential: Joyn has an API. Apps can be added such as grouping interfaces, virtual gifts, BBM-like features such as encryption and security. Good opportunity for us developers, better alignment of interests between carriers and users (good user experience).
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you bring up a good point but anti socialists would cry!
I use google voice for texting. It works great for me in the US. Not sure if it is available in Europe.
For the past few months, I've been quite angry over the fact that Google wants to mandate Google+, just so that users could leave app reviews.
I understand Microsoft does it in a similar way, using your Microsoft account's info (first name, profile image, etc.), but there's one thing that made me lean over to MS: doesn't require a mandatory signup to a social network. It's bad enough with Facebook and Twitter.
Anyway, I had a G+ account, but removed it when I found out that a couple members of the "followers" circle (or whatever you want to call it) got into my Google account. I was seeing warnings involving activity from India and Egypt, which prompted me immediately to remove it.
When I leave an app review, I make sure damn well it's a review, pointing out its pros and cons. Sometimes, I use reviews to let the developers know what went wrong for me. I find it a tad unnecessary to join a specific software's forum, or annoying, composing an email with hardware specifications. Since Google removed the right for me to leave an app review, I just got sick and tired of them. Too bad Gmail revolves around my life (purchases, login info, etc.).
So, I figured to switch to MS. "Bought" the Lumia 822 (is free right now). Just... annoyed at FedEx sending the phone from Pennsylvania, further west into Indiana, when I'm from New Jersey, lol. I own Win8 Pro and have a Gamertag... why can't I just get my life altogether?
I'm not bashing the Android OS one bit, it's just Google's ways of doing things.