I am coming from Blackberry and therefore have high standards for email clients. After trying every workaround that I could find from forums, I sent an email to Samsung with my recommendations for future software updates. I am not surprised by the response. On a side note, I fixed the GAL issue by installing "Swift Contacts" from the market but in my opinion all of these features should be out of the box functionality in a modern smartphone especially if iOS has it. I am running Touchdown in parallel right now to see if it is worth the $20 but this phone should do these things stock. Am I crazy for having these expectations?
Subject: Email Client
I have had my Captivate for 3.5 weeks. While I love it for many reasons, and besides my major gripe with the GPS performance, I continue to struggle with the email functionality as a past Blackberry user. The stock email client lacks many basic features that Blackberry and iPhone have. Is there any plan to fix the following basic Smartphone/Activesync functionality in an upcoming software update?
- GAL support (global address list)
- Cut/Copy/Paste
- Move email between folders
- Meeting request Accept/Tentative/Decline w/ or w/o message
- Syncronized draft folder w/ exchange
- Create calendar appt. and choose'show time as' free/busy/tentative/out of office.
If there is a way to do any of these thing now, I would appreciate the instructions. Otherwise will these be addressed in future software releases? I am debating switching back to Blackberry really want to make this phone work for me!
Samsung Response:
Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, we are unable to speculate when/if a software revision with this feature might be available due to the fact that this might lead to inaccurate information and confusion.
Please feel free to check back with us periodically for updates. We hope that you will allow us another opportunity to serve you.
Should you desire additional assistance resolving this, we invite you to call Samsung Customer Support by phone at our toll free number 1-888-987-4357 between the hours 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturday, Central Standard Time.
Sincerely,
Samsung Technical Support
- Meeting request Accept/Tentative/Decline w/ or w/o message
- Syncronized draft folder w/ exchange
- Create calendar appt. and choose'show time as' free/busy/tentative/out of office.
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I'm sure there's an app out there for this stuff, but android is not a business oriented client and as such these are not things "normal" users would need.
I use the gmail app that came on the phone and it has cut copy and paste.
you'll have to define GAL, again the gmail client has access to all your gmail contacts, which is everyone I know since you can easily sync all your contacts with gmail (even phone numbers)
again, a gmail user, but gmail doesn't really have folders it has labels, which is more or less the same from the users point of view, and this can be done, moving labels...
apps are your friend, search appbrain for the things you need, ex: http://www.appbrain.com/search?q=exchange
hope some of that helps
I'm sure there's an app out there for this stuff, but android is not a business oriented client and as such these are not things "normal" users would need.
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Thanks for your feedback but I do not accept that Android is not business oriented and only for "normal" users. Many companies that are not on AT&T and therefore can't get an iPhone are allowing android phones form Verizon and others. iPhone can do all of these things and many other Android phones have much more client email functionality. For some reason this Samsung version is hobbled. If Android is going to succeed and eventually dominate in the market any new phone platform must have basic business functionality that is expected with any Exchange implementation using Activesync. If an app like Touchdown can do these things then the stock client should be able to. For Android to win it must work for both business and "normal" consumers.
Also, how do you have cut and paste in gmail? Are you rooted? I do't have it and have read many threads complaining about the lack of this feature.
A couple corrections:
1. cut/paste is there and pretty easy to use - if using the samsung keyboard, tap and hold the 123 key. Viola, you get a directional pad with cut/paste functions, that works very well.
2. GAL is available when composing an email. instead of typing a name, hit the search button near the name box; this will search the server - downside; you only get email address, not phone numbers
3. you missed my biggest annoyance: not being able to dial a phone number in a calendar invite/meeting - phone numbers and urls are not recognized as links. You have to "edit" then copy paste.
These are not android deficiencies, they are Samsung's. Other android phones do not have these problems. So hopefully a 2.1 update, or 2.2 will fix all this. If not we should have some Vanilla (Plain Android) Roms to use in the near future.
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Thanks for your feedback but I do not accept that Android is not business oriented and only for "normal" users. Many companies that are not on AT&T and therefore can't get an iPhone are allowing android phones form Verizon and others. iPhone can do all of these things and many other Android phones have much more client email functionality. For some reason this Samsung version is hobbled. If Android is going to succeed and eventually dominate in the market any new phone platform must have basic business functionality that is expected with any Exchange implementation using Activesync. If an app like Touchdown can do these things then the stock client should be able to. For Android to win it must work for both business and "normal" consumers.
Also, how do you have cut and paste in gmail? Are you rooted? I do't have it and have read many threads complaining about the lack of this feature.
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I am rooted but I doubt that is it, I am running the jh2 update, that may be it, but if I tap and hold,i get the option to cut, copy, and paste. As mentioned above hitting 123 also works, and if you're using swype tap the swype key and swype right, to the "sym" button to get the same thing.
As for the other androids that are more business oriented, they just have different apps, which is why android is awesome, I don't want your features, and you don't want mine, so we just download different apps, and everyone is happy.
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I am rooted but I doubt that is it, I am running the jh2 update, that may be it, but if I tap and hold,i get the option to cut, copy, and paste. As mentioned above hitting 123 also works, and if you're using swype tap the swype key and swype right, to the "sym" button to get the same thing.
As for the other androids that are more business oriented, they just have different apps, which is why android is awesome, I don't want your features, and you don't want mine, so we just download different apps, and everyone is happy.
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If you are rooted and on JH2 then I would classify you as a super users. I understand all of your points and this is why Android is so great! But I am also very invested in Android now and want it to be successful in the market for the benefit of all users. A large majority of users are not power users. Buy an iPhone or a Blackberry or even another Android phone and these basic Corporate Exchange features are working out of the box. Most people do not have the skill or patience to try multiple apps until they find one that works. And most people do not want to spend more money to make their phone do the most basic functions. The Captivate is the only Android phone on AT&T that most corporate users would consider. Even if you don't want or need these features, many will, and it is Samsung not Google that messed up. Samsung should provide this high level device with the features to make it competitive out of the box. These basic features would not deter or impact the non-corporate user in any way so why not include them?
Do you have the "Copy Paste It" app installed? I even tried again and I do not have Copy/Paste in Gmail. What I mean is I cannot copy and paste from the quoted text. I can from the text I am adding. I know how to use the keyboard text select features. If I am missing something I would love to be corrected and figure this thing out!
These basic features would not deter or impact the non-corporate user in any way so why not include them?
Do you have the "Copy Paste It" app installed? I even tried again and I do not have Copy/Paste in Gmail. What I mean is I cannot copy and paste from the quoted text. I can from the text I am adding. I know how to use the keyboard text select features. If I am missing something I would love to be corrected and figure this thing out!
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I would blame att as much as samsung.. perhaps if att had more android phones instead of sticking with the iphone, we would have corporate android.... as it stands I'm just happy we have a high end android at all.
as for copying, no i can not copy from the quoted text, you are correct
alphadog00 said:
A couple corrections:
1. cut/paste is there and pretty easy to use - if using the samsung keyboard, tap and hold the 123 key. Viola, you get a directional pad with cut/paste functions, that works very well.
2. GAL is available when composing an email. instead of typing a name, hit the search button near the name box; this will search the server - downside; you only get email address, not phone numbers
3. you missed my biggest annoyance: not being able to dial a phone number in a calendar invite/meeting - phone numbers and urls are not recognized as links. You have to "edit" then copy paste.
These are not android deficiencies, they are Samsung's. Other android phones do not have these problems. So hopefully a 2.1 update, or 2.2 will fix all this. If not we should have some Vanilla (Plain Android) Roms to use in the near future.
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1. It is not possible to cut/copy/paste from the quoted text. This is the whole point for me. If somebody sends me an email with information, sometimes I want to copy a subset of that information into another email or app. That is not possible with either the stock email client or gmail.
2. For some reason GAL was not working for me out of the box and believe me I tried mutlitple times. I tried installing Swift Contacts and all of the sudden it worked. I can explain it but at least it works. Too bad it does not show the phone number.
3. I had not noticed this before but now that I have, I have another thing to be frustrated about. Thanks
Hopefully Samsung fixes these issues in an upcoming build otherwise I will be rooting for sure.
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Hello.,
does anybody know if there is a program for the android similar to teh phone creeper for wm6.5
the phone creeper allow easthdropping on phones, phone calls phone locating and so many other features as posted here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=527423
so ......
does this mean, nobody knows or there is no such software?
Im wondering the same thing
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What does "easthdropping" mean?
By the way the MIUI Phone.apk is able to geo-localize the calls, even if it works in China only (AFAIK)
I'm the developer for the phone creeper and will be launching the android version very soon, however it will be very different. The problem with and hurdle for creating the same functionality on android devices is that (at least that i'm aware) there is no way to completely hide an SMS message from phones. You can instantly read it and delete it as with windows mobile, however there will still be an sms arrived alert in the status bar.
To get around this hurdle i've created a website with a database and webpage front end that will allow for all communications to happen with a combo of SQL and Android Cloud to Device Messaging (C2DM). This will allow for a small footprint quick silent communications. However this also means I need to support a website and database.
This basically adds a large level of complexity and creates various pluses and minuses for everybody. The program will still be free as it has always been, however some of the features and those who want to have viewing and controlling capabilities through the web will be charged a slim fee.
The program will still be completely functional and useful without paying a dime but hopefully enough people will want the extra goodies to pay for the web hosting.
As I said it's mostly complete now and hopefully I'll have a release published here shortly and allow for free web viewing trial also.
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I'm the developer for the phone creeper and will be launching the android version very soon, however it will be very different. The problem with and hurdle for creating the same functionality on android devices is that (at least that i'm aware) there is no way to completely hide an SMS message from phones. You can instantly read it and delete it as with windows mobile, however there will still be an sms arrived alert in the status bar.
To get around this hurdle i've created a website with a database and webpage front end that will allow for all communications to happen with a combo of SQL and Android Cloud to Device Messaging (C2DM). This will allow for a small footprint quick silent communications. However this also means I need to support a website and database.
This basically adds a large level of complexity and creates various pluses and minuses for everybody. The program will still be free as it has always been, however some of the features and those who want to have viewing and controlling capabilities through the web will be charged a slim fee.
The program will still be completely functional and useful without paying a dime but hopefully enough people will want the extra goodies to pay for the web hosting.
As I said it's mostly complete now and hopefully I'll have a release published here shortly and allow for free web viewing trial also.
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this is great news, let me know if you need testers
also can we have links to the site,
i'm a web designer and php programmer, i can give you feedback if you need
smartechno said:
this is great news, let me know if you need testers
also can we have links to the site,
i'm a web designer and php programmer, i can give you feedback if you need
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That would be wonderful, I usually only create desktop and mobile applications. I don't have that great of an artistic eye and have rarely created any web sites. Currently I'm also using PHP for the website and will probably have to switch from godaddy hosting since they seem VERY slow at hosting any web pages containing scripts.
Maybe you can help me figure out why the logo seems to get cut off in IE6 (looks fine in other browsers.) it appears that displaying the bars are cutting it off since if I disable them it looks fine.
The link is xxxxxx Mod Edit: Link removed.
Whow, talking about privacy and espionage here
In general, Software like this is greatly coded, and requires alot of skill.
But on the other hand, if you use this App to watch / control somebody elses phone, is really awkward... I would be scared to know that a program like this exists and could be activated silently on my phone...
Just my 2 cents, but respect to the one who is able to program such a tool!
how about totalcare?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835603
badai said:
how about totalcare?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835603
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totalcare is a nice project, but the main differences are:
OverVi3w can be controlled via a webpage or sms.
Overvi3w has many more features
Overvi3w is actually stealthy, unless something is different about totalcare since last time i'd seen it. The message may be instantly deleted, however when you look at the sms history it would still show that it arrived even if you couldn't open it. although you still could see the command and from who is sent.
Overvi3w allows the phone to be controlled from ANY other phone or from the web console. It still uses a password for protection during sms control and to use the web interface it requires the imei (gsm phones) or meid (cdma phones) for extra security.
Anyway, I should be accepting alpha users later this week.
wow it's already have a name. OverVi3w. can't wait. total care just doesn't work on both my phone (gingerbread and froyo).
your phone creeper really great. works even after flashing new rom.
you misspell register on your website.
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you misspell register on your website.
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Thanks.. how embarrassing for me.
I've created a new thread on XDA for anyone interested in becoming an Alpha tester.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14113648#post14113648
The predecessor to phone creeper on windows mobile 5 or 6 years ago
Hi you asked foraan phond creeper program for win mobile 3.5 look for phone creeper or espionage suite .cab and if that cant be found look up phone leash for android and if nothing there is appealing look up blooover.cab its a java thing and works well with winmobile and theres newer **** for other platforms.
chetstriker said:
I'm the developer for the phone creeper and will be launching the android version very soon, however it will be very different. The problem with and hurdle for creating the same functionality on android devices is that (at least that i'm aware) there is no way to completely hide an SMS message from phones. You can instantly read it and delete it as with windows mobile, however there will still be an sms arrived alert in the status bar.
To get around this hurdle i've created a website with a database and webpage front end that will allow for all communications to happen with a combo of SQL and Android Cloud to Device Messaging (C2DM). This will allow for a small footprint quick silent communications. However this also means I need to support a website and database.
This basically adds a large level of complexity and creates various pluses and minuses for everybody. The program will still be free as it has always been, however some of the features and those who want to have viewing and controlling capabilities through the web will be charged a slim fee.
The program will still be completely functional and useful without paying a dime but hopefully enough people will want the extra goodies to pay for the web hosting.
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As I said it's mostly complete now and hopefully I'll have a release published here shortly and allow for free web viewing trial also.
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i would be happy to donate and help out where do i go to donate and how long do you think until the program is ready.
where do i go to donate
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Thread closed since it violates Rule 16 just like the linked thread in the OP which has also been closed.
@cindyloulou
Do you realise that this is a 12 year old thread with the last post in 2014? And please do not create multiple posts within a short time, instead edit your previous post if you need to add some info.
is it even possible ? thanx
thanx guys, the basic function is just not possible. Iphone is in the same boat after 4 generations, so don't expected too soon also.
i saw an answer from microsoft on their forum saying something like there is need for an 3rd party application, if someone will develope it. It is not blocked like apple iphone. maybe there is hope.
Hello EMaini, welcome to the Windows Phone forums!
I have never had a Samsung before, so I'm not familiar with this functionality. What you're describing would have to be made into an App, as Microsoft would not likely block entire ranges of calls (e.g. only allow those on the white-list, block all others, etc).
So it would most likely take a 3rd party (like Samsung) to make it. You can check in the Samsung Marketplace ("Samsung Zone") on occasion to see if they update their inventory to include such an application in the future.
On a side note: You may wish to contact Samsung thru alternate avenues to let them know you appreciated that functionality, otherwise they may not know that end-users are interested in such an application.
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coremi said:
i saw an answer from microsoft on their forum saying something like there is need for an 3rd party application, if someone will develope it. It is not blocked like apple iphone. maybe there is hope.
Hello EMaini, welcome to the Windows Phone forums!
I have never had a Samsung before, so I'm not familiar with this functionality. What you're describing would have to be made into an App, as Microsoft would not likely block entire ranges of calls (e.g. only allow those on the white-list, block all others, etc).
So it would most likely take a 3rd party (like Samsung) to make it. You can check in the Samsung Marketplace ("Samsung Zone") on occasion to see if they update their inventory to include such an application in the future.
On a side note: You may wish to contact Samsung thru alternate avenues to let them know you appreciated that functionality, otherwise they may not know that end-users are interested in such an application.
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I don't think it is possible until MS opens up the api's to 3rd party developers. If 3rd party apps can't even access your contacts, I don't see how they can access things like caller id.
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I don't think it is possible until MS opens up the api's to 3rd party developers. If 3rd party apps can't even access your contacts, I don't see how they can access things like caller id.
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OEMs have the capabilities. Normal developers don't. For example, LG's DLNA streaming app, this isn't something a normal developer could make, but it's available on all LG Windows Phones.
It's not possible, contact your operator
6.5 had several programs like Magical that did a great job, when I got my HD7 I asked if they had it on the WP7 roadmap and they said no. They don't have low level APIs and they are sticking with Android and RIM.
Man, I want this too. Magicall was brilliant. Surely this can't be a hard one to make for the second party developers. Hasn't anyone managed to gain access to those parts of the API yet? Will they be available in Mango?
It's plain stupid for a smart phone not to have this feature
WP7 doesn't have that function yet as part of the operating system, though I've come across some non-smartphones which has this feature.
This function is most likely tied to your network operator, not to your phone. Check your network operator if they offer "Block Numbers" option. As far as I know vodafone AU and NZ offers number blocking to stop text bullying and threats. This feature should be available worldwide.
Since contacts can be accessed in Mango, hope the APIs support blacklist as well...
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There's a list of 10.000 Finnish telemarketing numbers freely available to be used in a call blocker. When i had an Android phone i used an app called 'Enidroid' that used this list so that when an incoming call was identified as a number included in the list the phone went silent. I would so like to have a similar one in WP7 also!
work-around!
This tip doesn't get rid of the calls, but it does help you to identify them.
When I get an unwanted call, I add it to my address book with the name "Ignore". When they call again my phone displays "Ignore" as the caller. Use "Link" to link them all together and keep your address book uncluttered.
I remember back in the WM6.5 days there was this lil app named "Bouncer" or "Phone Bouncer" that use send those unwanted calls directly to voice mail. I wonder is it avilable for WP?
It's more wise to contact Samsung for this as they can do this if there is enough interest for it. They can develop an app and there.
On AT&T you can sign up for call blocking. I didnt' want to do that So I am using the magikmail. It lets you setup a lot of stuff. You can't block the number but after you ignore the call it will go to voicemail and you can give them a specific message or not allow voicemail.
I do like that idea of ignore that someone suggested. There for awhile I was getting called for someone's bad debt. Same number for two different people.
But is there any solution if operator doesn't support call blocking???
I couldn't get this to work for me (att) but this is from eHow:
To Block a Number From Calling You
1) Press *60 on your phone and listen carefully to the announcement. It will tell you whether your service is on or off.
2) Press 3 to turn this service on (or off), then press 1 to hear the numbers that are on your blocked list, if any.
3) Press #01# (pound 01 pound) to add the last number that called you to the list.
4) Press # (pound) to add a new number to your list. The voice instructions will tell you to enter the area code and number, and then press # (pound) again.
5) Press * (star) to remove a number from your list. Voice instructions will then tell you to enter the area code and number, and then press # (pound.)
6) Press 0 (zero) to hear all of the voice instructions again.
7) Deactivate selective number rejection by following Steps 1 and 2.
Hi. I can not figure any way how can I edit the email messages that are being forwarded or replied to? I mean the original message that is being forwarded or replied to.
I am rather new with WP7 and use it for work. I frequently forward sensitive material to others, where some part of the message is not for everyone.
It is probably the biggest complaint I have over WP7
adminlt said:
Hi. I can not figure any way how can I edit the email messages that are being forwarded or replied to? I mean the original message that is being forwarded or replied to.
I am rather new with WP7 and use it for work. I frequently forward sensitive material to others, where some part of the message is not for everyone.
It is probably the biggest complaint I have over WP7
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Not possible. I don't know what about Mango, but now - not.
Just tried in mango beta 2 and didn't seem like I could delete anything. Tried reply and forward.
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It is probably the biggest complaint I have over WP7
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I have other complaints that are bigger, but I agree that I miss this simple feature a lot. Many times I'd like to quote certain parts of an email in a reply to comment on them, which is pretty much impossible right now.
Then again, if you look at the way many modern email clients for the desktop work, they all but the original message at the bottom and make you reply on top by default. So maybe this is the "modern" way to do it and I'm just too old to get it ...
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I have other complaints that are bigger, but I agree that I miss this simple feature a lot. Many times I'd like to quote certain parts of an email in a reply to comment on them, which is pretty much impossible right now.
Then again, if you look at the way many modern email clients for the desktop work, they all but the original message at the bottom and make you reply on top by default. So maybe this is the "modern" way to do it and I'm just too old to get it ...
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Certainly not Outlook, you can easily edit quoted message...
doministry said:
Certainly not Outlook, you can easily edit quoted message...
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Of course you can - not only in Outlook but in pretty much all of them. The default though is that the original message is at the botton, underneath some "header" information from the original mail and the reply is at the top.
Since WP7 is positioned as business oriented, inability to edit forwarded e-mails is major bummer.
Major mistake on Microsoft side, as this will alienate many in the business community.
Even BB, which sucked in most aspects, did allow this.
WP7 was never positioned as business oriented. Where did you get this misleading information? Microsoft has always stated that consumer market was their primary focus. They're even pushing Blackberries to enterprises in lieue of WP7 so that they could put Bing on Blackberry smartphones...
A Windows phone syncs very well with SharePoint, while the syncing capabilitis with live.com are rather limited, so no matter what MS official stance on business vs. consumer may be, this is an area where they clearly have done a better job for business users than for consumers.
In any case, an email client that allows you to properly forward and reply to emails (allowing you to delete/change the original mail) is a requirement for business users as well as consumers.
They missed so many email 'default' features, it's become laughable.
hotmail email flagging
quote/edit part of emails
select all / easier select big parts
bulk actions (mark all as read)
bigger polling intervals (6-12 hours)
and yes, nothing in Mango and probably for at least one year more. I was so happy when wp7 was announced...
I would like to see if they bring something new in Email and Office part regarding functinality. I definitely saw threaded messaging in the email coming.
This is a real question and a serious problem.
In my law firm they are using WP7 devices and several lawyers are complaining that they cannot edit the forwarded emails.
This is absolutely weird. Such limitation is not acceptable
WP7 is definitely not a serious OS, and definitely not made for business purposes. It is just a toy.
arturobandini said:
This is a real question and a serious problem.
In my law firm they are using WP7 devices and several lawyers are complaining that they cannot edit the forwarded emails.
This is absolutely weird. Such limitation is not acceptable
WP7 is definitely not a serious OS, and definitely not made for business purposes. It is just a toy.
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yep, and that's similar to ios a few years ago. But that was 2007. In fact, it seems Microsoft thinks the market is still in 2007 state for some stuff.
Anyway, the supposed statement that wp7 is 'not for business' is just a PR statement. They mean 'wp7 is not a complete os, yet, so it's not ready for business'.
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This is a real question and a serious problem.
In my law firm they are using WP7 devices and several lawyers are complaining that they cannot edit the forwarded emails.
This is absolutely weird. Such limitation is not acceptable
WP7 is definitely not a serious OS, and definitely not made for business purposes. It is just a toy.
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Well maybe they think of kids and Facebook **** more than anything else?
I really wanted to get this answer: why this OS, with so many great ideas has so many idiotic limitations. It's beyond me. But I was called a "hater" instead
Editing forwarded/replied email is a very important functionality. And even if native app doesn't allow it, we could have some 3rd party solutions but they are not supported in any way. In my case there were also other email issues: embedded pictures not displaying, sometimes attachements not appearing after download process.
Interesting to know if these things will change in Mango or MS doesn't really care about it. That's the question: does MS care?
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Well maybe they think of kids and Facebook **** more than anything else?
I really wanted to get this answer: why this OS, with so many great ideas has so many idiotic limitations. It's beyond me. But I was called a "hater" instead
Editing forwarded/replied email is a very important functionality. And even if native app doesn't allow it, we could have some 3rd party solutions but they are not supported in any way. In my case there were also other email issues: embedded pictures not displaying, sometimes attachements not appearing after download process.
Interesting to know if these things will change in Mango or MS doesn't really care about it. That's the question: does MS care?
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I have the certainity they don't. They have taken all the bad sides of apple without the efficency, the vision and the appeal
I am transition from BB back to android for various reasons, but one thing I will miss is BBM. I think that apple creating their own propreitary messaging platform shows there is definite potential in such a product.
I did some searches and looks like google had something called huddle, then messenger for google+. I am not on google+ so I dont know if thats still around.
Either way I think its time for google to create such an app. I know they have gchat and google voice. But the main draw of BBM (and imessage) I think its focus on messaging: the read and delivered indicators, sending files, seamless integration into the OS. I use both quite often but neither really measure up to BBM's capabilities. With the new OS's JB and ICS (haha new) this might be a sweet add to them.
Honestly even just adding read/delivery indicators to gchat might seem like a great marginal improvement..
Thoughts, or I am just so out of touch that gchat has been improved (in my years absense) to the point thats its way superior to BBM (more than just superior in amount of friends who use it lol).
Thx.
I too went from android to bb then i died and went back to android.
One major drawback of the bb is the apps. App selection is horrible and now that BB is in the hole because of their money issues and the fact that their os is not keeping up with Apple or Google they are probably going to keep declining.
Google+ is great. One major problem is that not everyone uses them. Google+ has Hangout which allows you to video chat with 10 people and txt chat with groups, like Family, My Friends, Coworkers, etc. You dont need a pin, just have them as a friend.
Now, my final Opinion,
BBM is great, you can chat(like AIM back in those days) and stalk with r or unread.
But, keeping a BB as an overall phone is a big negative.
theres a saying like "with great something comes great sacrifices."
It depend on what you choose, yes they all have a chat style thing, but you need to look at the other features that you also need that others dont have.
Thanks for the feedback. I would agree. I do love my bb; its a fantastic phone (ie communications device) unfortunately seems I think I need my phone to be more than a phone (per the culture nowadays). So I look to android. But the bb is superior in email, text, and calling but you are right- no apps really. Plus a bigger screen is oh so tempting.
And as far as the 'r' / 'd' indicators (ie stalking), it would nice to have a messaging app that does at least the delivered indicator. Too many times I wonder if my text has gone through as some people dont get mine sometimes (could be their phone or mine)
I guess my intention with this thread was to see if I am missing anything or raise awareness that goog should make a messaging platform..
GTalk still needs improving.
But only by a few tweaks. It still doesn't allow you to send pictures!
I have to manually upload them to Photobucket, copy the link, go back to GTalk and paste it :what::screwy::sly:
I think theres already a Whatsapp Messenger for Android.
I would love to see a combined Messaging/Google Talk app that allows me to send messages to either phone numbers or email addresses in the same threads. Kind of like Big Fruit's iMessage feature. I want to be able to keep the same conversations going whether I'm on my phone or tablet. I /could/ use Google Voice, but I like keeping my GV number separate from my real number.
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Found something new to me
https://prettyeasyprivacy.com/
Email encryption easy...
Found On fdroid under k9/p=p
Claims it works with your existing email account
But I have not found out how it works yet
Our how the foundation is set up.
And that's the kind of thing I like to know before I install
Anyone have any experience with them?
Personally, if you are looking for encrypted email... I'd choose Proton Mail any day of the week over p=p.
p=p just doesn't seem anywhere near the security of Proton. But that's just my opinion. Test it out and let us know how you like it. It's always nice to have options!
I'm just not at the point where I want my email provider to supply my email program.
Don't get me wrong it's not a bad idea..
(I like that it's open source, that's always good)
But I would much rather have encryption all on me and my device..
And I can pick and choose what provider I'm using.
I don't love the idea of being locked into anything...
nutpants said:
I'm just not at the point where I want my email provider to supply my email program.
Don't get me wrong it's not a bad idea..
(I like that it's open source, that's always good)
But I would much rather have encryption all on me and my device..
And I can pick and choose what provider I'm using.
I don't love the idea of being locked into anything...
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hey @nutpants , i know you are more knowledgeable than me (and know how to search.lol) but i did find this link for p=p. you can email them i beleive.
https://prettyeasyprivacy.com/integrate/
"err on the side of kindness"
I found the instructions
https://www.prettyeasyprivacy.com/docs
I wish that people would stop hosting instructions online and include manuals with the installs.I mean seriously how much space will it take?
I will be doing some time reading everything carefully..
But would love opinions from everyone else.
Basically it appears to create extradition keys between users of the app automagiclly and then encrypt everything by default when possible.
Much like text secure was doing for text.
Hopefully things like this will become a standard for email.
(With a common method of encryption so no one it tied to just one particular email app)
And we will see more applications that can be used to encrypt mail.
I'm going to do some testing
Well ive done a little testing.
And honesty I'm looking what I see.
Sure this is in early stages and early days.
But it appears that it is as simple as they suggest.
I could even get my least technical buddies to use this email encryption.
I have not seen it try to contact anything except my mail server.
And it does not require contracts out other erroneous permissions (it asks but you can block it and no crashes(at least for me)
It's works automagiclly.
If you exchange emails with someone who is using pep (I think it's stupid that they have the three lines between the p's why not just have the E)
It figures that out and starts exchange of public pgp keys.
Art that point your messages title bar have a yellow background do you know encryption is taking place.
After you verify the "code words" with your correspondent (by voice so you verify who you are taking to is who you are really taking to(or any other method you desire)
Your messages get a green title bar do you know encryption is going on with a verified user..
So simple even a grandpa can understand it.
It uses pgp for encryption so you know it's good
Right now it's pretty basic and there are few encryption options
But they plan ad more features as time goes on
I'm liking what I'm seeing and I will do more testing and will keep an eye on this to see how fast it matures.
The only real con at the moment it that there is no way to secure the app from running with a password to keep any one who gets their hands on your device from reading everything.
But that's a little minor..
If someone had their hands on your device, you have already broken the golden rule.
This app is simply a fork of K9Mail with a few icons replaced...
It is definitely a fork.
But encryption had been built in, including auto key generation and key exchanges.
K9 is my daily driver.. And I love it.
But pEp makes encryption simple enough for anyone to use..
(As in my grandmother could use it)
When and if it matures to have all the encryption features most advanced users need
(Like easy key import, export, backup, manual key changes)
It may become my daily driver..
Sadly in the world today, encryption is almost mandatory.
And pep is on the way to make that easy for everyone.